The Syndicate

I'm the jailkeeper and I targeted c4 last night. @c4e5g3d5 I don't think you are ever the night kill target last night, especially not with Amy alive. Not with Chloe Nutella arete and Vulgard alive.

[VOTE: C4] aubergine

Amy wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:39 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:38 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:37 pm oh the entire FoL gang just turned on chloe at the same time huh
Just arete I think
Vulgard and I still have her as probably town
oh

i definitely thought that's what you/vulgard were dancing around

disregard

We already talked ourselves out of hard tinfoiling her for now but depending on like dyas alignment it might change our perspective

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:36 pm I don't think I'll need to explain.

I understand why people want to turboyeet dya but there's also other stuff I'd like to discuss.

Should I tell them

Amy wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:37 pm oh the entire FoL gang just turned on chloe at the same time huh

Just arete I think
Vulgard and I still have her as probably town

Wait I think I see what you're getting at kindve

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:30 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:25 pm VULGARD AND I BOTH LIVED ITS ACTUALLY A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE
Marl are you seeing what I'm seeing?

I'm not
What do your elf eyes see

VULGARD AND I BOTH LIVED ITS ACTUALLY A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE

so wait
like
now what?
are wolves just hard bussing alison or?
i'm really having a hard time building a world around this
like
say alison flips red
who is a wolf

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:03 am
Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:02 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:59 am
Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:48 am ...still catching up but at some point within the past ?few minutes? Gavial seems to have silently voted me on the poll, and not in the thread, despite literally never mentioning me at any point previously

which is baffling and kind of makes me think that he's badly attempting to spew me as his partner? or something?
I’m Town, so no.
I’m voting you because I know how good you can be.
okay so just to confirm

you're voting me over any of your actual wolfreads for the sole reason that you think I'm a competent wolf
Yes.
And I don’t really have any confident wolf reads.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:01 am Like Hally/Vulgard/Arete/Marlu/Tang
Any 4/5 of these players being the complete scum team would be absolutely horrible to go up against.
Don’t think we can win from that.

@Arete
It's like
just these two interactions
i just dont see it

Arete wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:46 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:34 pm
sunbae wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:31 pm I've read through Marl's ISO and - entirely ignoring the derp - I think he's prooooobably a villager? Looking at it all together I feel like it dances around quite a bit, has a good mix of focused thoughts and random ideas thrown out there, a few examples of that villagery panic that sets in when you're kinda stuck in a game while not overly doing it and just continuing to post thoughts anyways, a couple posts specifically that just *sound town* (bully lunch money!, seth/vulgard w/w, cycles, and thats ignoring the reaction to the derp cause ive been in that spot as a wolf and not wanted to get cleared for silly things but still the reaction did sound good). I also think the way Marl was kinda shocked at Arete calling it seths town meta was done in a way that a wolf wouldn't do. This is followed up by some day 2 concerns about Arete pocketing Vulgard that seemed villagery too.

Essentially, Marl is kinda bouncing around a lot, not too stilted or anything while still expressing concern/confusion well. I just think it's a very likely villager for good reasons and not for derp reasons.

I'd also really, really like marl to take some time and talk to me about Arete because I feel like that's my least confident villa read right now and it's for probably terrible reasons
i still haven't found arete towny at all and it felt like they were posturing around seth d1 knowing he was a villager even though (imo) all of the meta pointed to him being a wolf

the sole reason i'm not pressing them harder is because vulgard is confident they are town and i think vulgard is town and usually the two are good at catching each other if one of them is wolfing

it's possible that both are wolfing but i sincerely doubt it

it's not really even a read
what you described from his town meta didn't even really fit at all
it's like you knew he was town and tried to just generalize what it was like to see him as town
none of his posts were painful to read unless you had tmi when reading them

sunbae wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:41 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:40 pm I'm probably not going to vote
If Dyachei is a wolf i'll be glad i didn't and if dyachei is town, you'd best be ready for a fucking storm because tomorrow you're getting ego mode marl who is never going to let you hear the end of it
How confident are you in Vulgard town (given you're basing your Arete read on Vulgard's town read of Arete)

if rand is like 75%, probably close to 85%
he is above rand but i'm not locking it
there are parts of his analysis that stick out as ???? to me but i dont want to be the tinfoil hat man for the 800th time in a row tinfoiling obvious town
i'll know whether he's town or not tonight

I'm probably not going to vote
If Dyachei is a wolf i'll be glad i didn't and if dyachei is town, you'd best be ready for a fucking storm because tomorrow you're getting ego mode marl who is never going to let you hear the end of it

sunbae wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:31 pm I've read through Marl's ISO and - entirely ignoring the derp - I think he's prooooobably a villager? Looking at it all together I feel like it dances around quite a bit, has a good mix of focused thoughts and random ideas thrown out there, a few examples of that villagery panic that sets in when you're kinda stuck in a game while not overly doing it and just continuing to post thoughts anyways, a couple posts specifically that just *sound town* (bully lunch money!, seth/vulgard w/w, cycles, and thats ignoring the reaction to the derp cause ive been in that spot as a wolf and not wanted to get cleared for silly things but still the reaction did sound good). I also think the way Marl was kinda shocked at Arete calling it seths town meta was done in a way that a wolf wouldn't do. This is followed up by some day 2 concerns about Arete pocketing Vulgard that seemed villagery too.

Essentially, Marl is kinda bouncing around a lot, not too stilted or anything while still expressing concern/confusion well. I just think it's a very likely villager for good reasons and not for derp reasons.

I'd also really, really like marl to take some time and talk to me about Arete because I feel like that's my least confident villa read right now and it's for probably terrible reasons

i still haven't found arete towny at all and it felt like they were posturing around seth d1 knowing he was a villager even though (imo) all of the meta pointed to him being a wolf

the sole reason i'm not pressing them harder is because vulgard is confident they are town and i think vulgard is town and usually the two are good at catching each other if one of them is wolfing

it's possible that both are wolfing but i sincerely doubt it

I'm like
really really tired of being the guy who adamantly says someone is village and then they flip wolf and then i look like an idiot

and that's kinda the vibe i feel like it's gonna be when i say i think dyachei is town

bronana wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:13 pm also this game doesn't have maj until lylo so there's no point to still be chilling in unvote, fyi Sunbae/marl/vulgard

i'm just not sure who i want to end on
the wagon composition for dya looks better but i think alison has been scummier
idk

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 7:13 amfor more

for me**

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ountainous

skim her iso in this game if you have time
the full scumteam is me, alison, onlu, duck, and chelsea

....none of that screams town to me even remotely vulgard
like
not at all

she did the exact same thing in deck mafia by pushing one of her mates (ONLU) when it wasn't even close to necessary just because he was a lhf

nothing in that is doing it for more on alison and i'm kinda surprised it is doing anything for you

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 6:35 am - I think Alison is town

yes but why

Why do you think alison is town? explain your read to me like i'm 5

Also nearing single digit posts left entering emergency conserve mode

if people who know how to read dyachei think they are a wolf i'm not going to shield them

i really felt like they were being genuine in the post i was talking about a bit ago but i have never managed to successfully find dyachei as town when i'm town like

ever

not even once i dont think

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 5:22 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 5:16 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:08 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:03 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:02 pm I'm not sure why amy and dya have to be aligned with each other at all
because alison is omgusing
I am yes.

I did not put Amy and you into a team together, I just said you two were my suspects.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:09 pm I think in this specific state my OMGUSes are a lot more likely to be correct than usual so I would appreciate if people didn't brush it off as "oh she's just OMGUSing".
this is a v strange string of posts
it just doesnt feel genuine?
If you think Alison's posts are wolfy, is dya bussing Alison?

lol xpost

i think alison and dya do have some potential as partners just because of the way they've been treating each other
it feels like dya and soah in reflections a bit

also i reiso'd dya and the abrasiveness of their wolfgame is apparent at the start, imo

it's only after i mentioned it that they seemingly dropped it
idk if they're adjusting their playstyle in an attempt to get me to v read them or if they're just village who got super annoyed early with zach and visor

dya did say they thought amy was town and they wanted alison to go over instead which is kinda a good-ish look after amy's claim but idk

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:08 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:03 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:02 pm I'm not sure why amy and dya have to be aligned with each other at all
because alison is omgusing
I am yes.

I did not put Amy and you into a team together, I just said you two were my suspects.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:09 pm I think in this specific state my OMGUSes are a lot more likely to be correct than usual so I would appreciate if people didn't brush it off as "oh she's just OMGUSing".

this is a v strange string of posts
it just doesnt feel genuine?

Chloe wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:26 am wait what the fuck do my remaining posts carry over to tomorrow?

i've never played with something like that

this is amazing

they dont you get 100 each day which is why my cap for today is like 180 something

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:12 am i don't fully get why the conversation about reflections got you to move dya all the way up to top tier

it wasn't the conversation as a whole, it was exactly one post that just felt genuine and struck a chord with me
post 1876

it feels exactly like i felt in zelda mash when everyone was saying i was scum who didn't want to be in thread when i was actually extremely happy to be playing the game because i was excited to play my role and with the flavor

Chloe wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:09 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:06 am wolfing with them in deck mafia, their wim was probably already super low after the loss
idk if this is their direct next game or not but if they did rand wolf back to back with that game it could explain why their wim is demonstrably low this game
im ngl i didnt think alison was someone who gets hit with wimdrops
i dont know her super well but from my few convos with her shes pretty level-headed and 'gg go next'

i dont think her disconnect is super duper AI, really

everyone can get hit with wim drops
no one is immune to it
having to keep up a facade is tiring no matter your playstyle or personality

Chloe wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:59 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:57 am yeah like

what is the meat tho
there is none

but it feels like he thinks there actually is some somehow

ALSO THERE IS
Just because i dont take 8000 words to give a thought doesn't mean there aren't thoughts in my post

like that sunbae post i just quoted when catching up that felt super wolfy and self aware nobody even commented on
like hell even a "no it's probably rand" or "i disagree i think sunbae is town" would have sufficed but it was just fucking ignored

Chloe wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:03 am okay im ngl ive had this thought going through my head for a while but its bit me in the ass before so ive been not really wanting to share

but like
what the hell is alison's gameplan as a wolf? i dont understand. is she being set up to push the other wolves deeper via bus? does she legitimately have zero gameplan and shes super disconnected from the thread?

to be fair i dont know what shes doing if shes a villager either but the fact that i cant pinpoint any true direction or agenda from her gives me a lot of doubts about the wagon being a hit

wolfing with them in deck mafia, their wim was probably already super low after the loss
idk if this is their direct next game or not but if they did rand wolf back to back with that game it could explain why their wim is demonstrably low this game

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:55 am i know this isn't to me, but to put it bluntly marl, you've barely done anything memorable this game, and yet you come in every now and then talking about how good you think your contributions have been as if you're god's gift to the thread. now i think that's a >rand villager sentiment to have, but i don't think it's backed up at all, and i'd like to see you pull back on the hubris a bit and just talk things through bc i dont actually know what most of your reads are

I've given my reads! It's one of the last posts in my iso before i went to stopped posting to conserve posts

and i dont think ive been 'god's gift to the thread' but i have definitely contributed and shared my thoughts and it's like people aren't even reading them

every single time people talk about me it's just 'wow his iso is bad' or 'derpclear probably real!'

it's like people aren't actually reading my posts
like hell if they are actually bad at least point out what about them is bad and what thoughts you disagree with so i have SOMETHING to work with

i can't do anything with a generalization and that's ALL i've gotten this game

like the only time i've been quoted in the last 8 pages (other than live interaction) was arete saying i forgot to include them in my rainbow and bronana saying i mistyped a post number

Alison wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:26 pm No I just toggled back and forth between catching up and reading the latest page. That's a pretty silly accusation.

I've been honest about my detachment from the thread from literally my first post, and tbh it's also pretty WIM reducing to tell you all that Gavial is town, be proven correct, and then run up for TMI.

I think there is at least 1 in Amy/dya, and [c4, Dizzy] would constitute the rest of my POE. You're an unknown. Vulgard/Sunbae/nutella/Arete/Chloe are not really concerns.

Visor/Zack are in the "idk but they haven't pinged me" category. I see others have suspicions there so since I'm not confident on them my plan is to focus on what I am confident on, specifically my POE and towncore, and just sheep my townreads on Visor/Zack.

do you have no take on me at all? we just wolfed together in deck mafia so i find it hard to believe you'd have absolutely nothing to say about me at all

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:38 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:31 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:29 am i think marls posts are not v good
okay so talk about them
this is like the 8th time you've said my posting is not v good without saying why or what posts you dont like and you ignored me the last time i asked you to
they're super basic and i dont feel like you are trying to really work with anyone

okay
which posts
i'm not looking for a broad general statement
i can't work with a broad general statement
that's all you've done this game imo
it's impossible to tell if you're actually solving from it
go into specifics on what posts of mine you dont like and highlight why

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:29 am i think marls posts are not v good

okay so talk about them
this is like the 8th time you've said my posting is not v good without saying why or what posts you dont like and you ignored me the last time i asked you to

the fact that 95% of the conversation about me since i went to bed has been about the derpclear and not my posts or takes is legitimately straight up annoying

sunbae wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:31 pm I'm not trying to pocket you silly. If I'm doing something nefarious it's trying to tie us together by being cagey in my read on you when asked, giving you a quick town read but never really engaging with you on any reads, and playfully telling you to case me while not worrying about your response.

this feels too self aware
i'm very surprised nobody even commented on this besides amy going ????

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:12 pm and the fact that hes legitimately reading me off of a single post and hes locked into a world where im a villager because of it. it's like a backwards tunnel, and i can see that coming from his weirdass brain as a villager

it's not a lock
i'm just treating it as if it's a lock currently because it will make the game way more enjoyable, and if i do end up thinking you're a wolf later i'll handle that situation when it comes

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:12 pm i'm currently on the 'marl probably derpcleared himself' train - though i acknowledge that outside of that i still don't feel entirely comfortable with him. he feels super agreeable and upbeat, and hes missing the aggressive spark that i'm used to seeing. he's posted a lot but i dont really get anything out of it - it just feels like a skeletal iso

the derpclear is irrelevant
i think my posting this game has been good and i've been doing a good job of evaluating people
also you know i've been trying to cut back on tunneling people, it's the main thing i can do to improve
i'm proud of my play so far and it's a little insulting that the only reason you have to townread me is because of the derpclear

Arete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:42 pm you left me out of your list

oh right
i meant to give you your own category right around bronana but i forgot
i dont really townread you and i think you've been pushing the vulgard pocket p hard but i'm not gonna push you almost solely on the fact that vulgard thinks you're hard town. your posts just haven't really felt arete-ey to me yet

bronana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:46 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:26 am also fwiw on dya i thought they were being towny on that page until P#1642
that post specifically rubs me exactly the same way their defense of themselves in reflections did
1642 isnt a dya post what are you talking about sir

sorry, 1624

also holy fuck i only have like 30 posts left and we're halfway through the phase
i'm officially engaging 'shut the fuck up and wait for more people to give thoughts' protocol before i post again
might even wait until i'm at work tonight

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine
i just realized there is an unvote option in the poll lmao
so i just voted myself for no reason
quality

outed has like... nothing...? going for him in my book
but that in itself is something? like he doesn't really care how people read him and he's just playing his own game
idk

also i actually kinda want to move sunbae up to the amy tier just because sunbae was pushing the 'dyachei is v' agenda for a while and i think i agree with them

it might be tmi and posturing since they haven't really hard defended them though, but it is still a while from eod

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:14 pm I'm imagining a world where I'm having a neat conversation with Marl while he's plotting my demise in wolfchat as we speak.

Vulgard in the chat tonight moments before my wolf team ends his life:

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:13 pm That's actually great, since I doubt I'll be able to share all my thoughts today (busy weekend ahead). Hope you're not a wolf.

Tiny Brain: Wolves kill vulgard to force me to sort through his reads the following day
Galaxy Brain: Kill me instead of vulgard so i can't share his reads

ALSO I forgot to claim it yesterday but i got a prize during the night phase to neighborize one player of my choice for a cycle and i chose vulgard (because i missed playing with him)

i dont really see any reason not to claim this since it only lasts 1 night, so i'll be able to talk to vulgard tonight and hopefully bounce some reads and shake the feeling of him powerwolfing on us

I actually kinda want to drop vulgard down a tier just because i'm getting some crossbell vibes from his posts today but idk
probably is still just town but i can't shake the vibe
i'll probably find him tonight during the night phase hopefully

Chloe
Dyachei
Nutella
Vulgard

All 4 villagers
I can say this with confidence i think

Lex
SPF
c4?*

all i think are PROBABLY villagers and i dont vote here today

Bronana

I think is slightly spewed v by KZA but i respect this entire lobby enough not to full clear someone on spew because everyone in this game probably has some semblence of theater, would take a lot to get me to vote here today

Amy

Had some posts i liked yesterday but i've honestly never seen amy wolf and nothing coming from her seems super confidence inspiring, like barely above the tier below

Sunbae
Visor
Alison

Direct PoE, must have at least 1 wolf or i'm going to lose my mind probably

* c4 has the questionmark because i forgot he existed until the end but i remember his post about nobody acknowledging him and recall it feeling genuine

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:39 am marl, you keep comparing this game to reflections but I want to be clear there are problems with that

I didnt know I'd be subbing in for a wolf in reflections and worked hard but HATED every minute of it (and playing with a group of people that got toxic on each other very easily). I'm excited to play this game, I'm just in light game mode. I wanted out of the thread every minute I was in it htere. IT's kind of confusing to me that people think I have that kind of tone because I'm happy to be in this game and it's probably why I hit cap yesterday. I get irritated at being wolf read as both alignments. perhaps you don't remember ice cream mafia

[VOTE: Marluxion] aubergine

(just putting it on myself until i figure out who i want to vote)
But this post really resonates with me and i feel like you're being genuine. I believe you and think you're town for now. I'm probably gonna catch a fuckton of flak for changing my mind so quickly but this really does feel genuine to me

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