The Syndicate

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:06 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:00 pm it seems like I'm one of the few people who are unfamiliar with playing with a lot of you so I won't ever have background experience to back up any position I take. just an fyi. I read through everything and while being aggro to create pressure (especially this early with no total confirmation / deaths), I am having negative gut feelings towards falcon. maybe they just aggro tho.
Alright how long have you played Mafia for?
I've been playing mafia since 2014 but I'm new to this board and don't have a ton of experience with forum play but I've done a few.

ps. gonna add a profile pic here shortly so I can be more easily recalled in game play. thanks

I see. Welcome to Mafia Syndicate.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:00 pm it seems like I'm one of the few people who are unfamiliar with playing with a lot of you so I won't ever have background experience to back up any position I take. just an fyi. I read through everything and while being aggro to create pressure (especially this early with no total confirmation / deaths), I am having negative gut feelings towards falcon. maybe they just aggro tho.

Alright how long have you played Mafia for?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:50 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:59 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:54 am Voting CRichard because I really don’t like their vote on Paopan plus my Paranoia on Mac and somewhat Falcon also has a chance to include CRichard as their partner.
I thought Paopan felt too LAMIST in their opening post so I voted them, and their OMGUS vote doesn't make me a fan of their slot.
Please explain the terms LAMIST and OMGUS please - not familiar with those terms

LAMIST = Look At Me, I'm so Town/y and OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck.

LAMIST refers to signalling how towny they are, rather than putting in effort to appear towny such as casing people and pushing scum reads.
OMGUS refers to scum leaning/reading and voting someone mainly/solely because they voted you 1st.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:41 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:32 pm If my solve is correct, then there is at least one wolf in Paopan, Porscha, Sig and MightyQ.
If the above PoE doesn't end the game, then depending on who lives night after night should be reevaluated especially if their name is (Looks up notes) Mac, mayyyyyybe Gav.
so you feel that this game is all just towns talking to each other?

It can be, which will either be supported or disproven by flips.
As my town list feels pretty solid.

If my solve is correct, then there is at least one wolf in Paopan, Porscha, Sig and MightyQ.
If the above PoE doesn't end the game, then depending on who lives night after night should be reevaluated especially if their name is (Looks up notes) Mac, mayyyyyybe Gav.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:27 pm @CRichard
I know I can’t convince you on Mac but I wouldn’t mind voting Sig since Sig might get replaced and it could help Alison not have to struggle finding a replacement and if Sig’s slot is wolf it could stop a real good player like Marmot or JJJ from replacing into the slot.

I am tinfoiling Mac if I survive and they aren't night killed.
Again I think that Mac gets killed early if they're town.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:15 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:13 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:12 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:59 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:54 am Voting CRichard because I really don’t like their vote on Paopan plus my Paranoia on Mac and somewhat Falcon also has a chance to include CRichard as their partner.
I thought Paopan felt too LAMIST in their opening post so I voted them, and their OMGUS vote doesn't make me a fan of their slot.
I think that’s more of just a Playstyle thing though?
Even if it's playstyle, I haven't seen anything from them that makes me think "oh they're town".
Yeah but what makes you think “oh they’re scum”?
LAMIST Opening and OMGUS voting can come from either alignment, or at least the way Paopan went about it.

To be clear, they aren't lock scum yet their entrance feels as though they were too concerned about how they appear in thread.
Which is >rand w from experience.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:12 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:59 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:54 am Voting CRichard because I really don’t like their vote on Paopan plus my Paranoia on Mac and somewhat Falcon also has a chance to include CRichard as their partner.
I thought Paopan felt too LAMIST in their opening post so I voted them, and their OMGUS vote doesn't make me a fan of their slot.
I think that’s more of just a Playstyle thing though?

Even if it's playstyle, I haven't seen anything from them that makes me think "oh they're town".

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:54 am Voting CRichard because I really don’t like their vote on Paopan plus my Paranoia on Mac and somewhat Falcon also has a chance to include CRichard as their partner.

I thought Paopan felt too LAMIST in their opening post so I voted them, and their OMGUS vote doesn't make me a fan of their slot.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:59 am Wait what spots Mac and Falcon from being Partners?

If I'm correct in my town list, they can't both be mafia.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:50 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:17 am
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:14 am what are the firmest reads you have right now CR
Mac and Gav are my most confident town reads as of now.
Paopan is my scum lean and I'm voting them.
Still, the lack of activity is a little concerning where I'm at.
By my site standards, I would expect the thread to be about 2x what it is now in an 11p game.
Mac still giving me paranoia and as soon as I have my vote off him he calls me town.
I’m curious what Mac would do if Sig jumped in here plopping a vote down on him.

Valid, if my PoE doesn't end the game then Mac should be reevaluated if they're still alive.
From what I've seen from them, if they're town the mafia probably don't want to play against them for too long.

Alright time to catch my zzzzzs.
Hopefully I don't die tomorrow, though if I do then take my town reads and PoE as my legacy for town.

I should probably get ready for bed time.
I'll probably have a long day tomorrow and I'll need some good beauty sleep.

As before Paopan is hard unaligned with Carousel from wagons.
Mac and Wilgy are also hard unaligned for cross voting each other.

That was an off site game in case the context wasn't obvious.

Ngl, I'll be a little disappointed if both mafia are 0 to single posting. Which feels a little too good to be true.
Still I once saw a mafia yeeted D1 and they were a 0 poster.

If my town list is correct, then the PoE is Paopan, MightyQ, DrWilgy and Porscha.
I'm somewhat confident this has at least one wolf, maybe both and if flipping all of them doesn't end the game then it would be because a wolf slipped into my town list.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:29 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:27 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:13 am I really don't have an opinion of what's happened in the past...few hours?

Still got the same 3 townreads, and me deciding not to vote MightyQ because of him getting misyeeted Day 1 hoping he does something Day 2 or at least I learn his game.

Otherwise...nothing else at all.
If you were to rate your confidence that MightyQ is a miss, how high would it be?
Exactly 50% because he literally did nothing during Fortune of Lies and we ended up flipping him Day 1 and he flipped town.

So, literally >rand.

That's fair and it's what I was thinking as well.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:13 am I really don't have an opinion of what's happened in the past...few hours?

Still got the same 3 townreads, and me deciding not to vote MightyQ because of him getting misyeeted Day 1 hoping he does something Day 2 or at least I learn his game.

Otherwise...nothing else at all.

If you were to rate your confidence that MightyQ is a miss, how high would it be?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:13 am I really don't have an opinion of what's happened in the past...few hours?

Still got the same 3 townreads, and me deciding not to vote MightyQ because of him getting misyeeted Day 1 hoping he does something Day 2 or at least I learn his game.

Otherwise...nothing else at all.

I'd laugh if we killed MightyQ today and they flip mafia.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:50 pm Mac and Falcon are probably both town.

So with those 2 plus Miss Carousel that's a good 3 person towncore.

I can buy this.
Lime, Mac, Falcon, Gav and Carousel town seems to be a good place to start.

That being said, I like Carousel more than Paopan out of my voters.
Carousel asking me questions comes across as trying to figure out my alignment than Paopan, the latter voting me because of OMGUS as the main (only?) reason.

Hot take: Paopan and Miss Carousel are probably not wolves together, as voting together on me as a bloc would be something wolves want to avoid doing to lessen associations.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:42 am CR why do you townread mac?

They're willing to make waves in thread and they seem genuinely concerned about the town not stepping up their effort to be towny.
I think that if they were mafia, they'd probably be willing to sit back a little and be content with the low activity in thread so far.

That being said, I don't remember Gav as someone who uses WIFOM a lot.
Which is why I'm ok with calling their self vote towny, even though there are better ways to use one's vote.

I shouldn't forget DrWilgy aka the emoji player.
I want to call them wolf and call it a day, though I'm willing to admit that it could be a playstyle clash on my part.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:20 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:17 am
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:14 am what are the firmest reads you have right now CR
Mac and Gav are my most confident town reads as of now.
Paopan is my scum lean and I'm voting them.
Still, the lack of activity is a little concerning where I'm at.
By my site standards, I would expect the thread to be about 2x what it is now in an 11p game.
is paopan specifically playing their wolf style? or just generically wolfy? you seem to know them

I think they're being wolfy in general.
I've played one game with them in the past and they were a wolf.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:14 am what are the firmest reads you have right now CR

Mac and Gav are my most confident town reads as of now.
Paopan is my scum lean and I'm voting them.
Still, the lack of activity is a little concerning where I'm at.
By my site standards, I would expect the thread to be about 2x what it is now in an 11p game.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:12 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:40 am
MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:53 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:23 pm
MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:07 pm Just like sex, vanillia is the best way to play mafia

Change my mind
That's nice, where's your head at on everyone who has posted so far?
I said this the first game I was in and I'll say it again. There's literally no solid evidence out there right now for anyone. I've been at school most of today and am only now really even paying attention. Also last game I was voted out for having this opinon, so go kill me for all I care. My point is town members are expendable, but how you expend them is important.

Youch now that I think about this you probably already know that. I'm tired af rn.
Oh that's unfortunate. I hope that I can find you as town without needing your flip.
If you're town that is.
i am choosing to believe that you wrote the first line and then thought "hm is this TMIing that MightyQ is town" and then added the second line

It's hard to find someone as town if they've checked out for day one.
Still Gav seems to have meta on MightyQ. We shall see.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:54 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:55 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:15 pm What I don’t like is Mac just entirely dropped their push on CRich.
Fair, though I would imagine that town would probably be more willing to move their vote based on who is scummier from their PoV.
Mafia otoh would probably be more rigid and inflexible with their votes, though I have to be careful that it doesn't bite me in the well ..... behind as this lobby has some experienced players.
This is also Mac we are talking about.

Fair point.
You can be town, as I don't think your game so far reminds me of one of your non-town games I played with you off site (Trinity Blood Mafia). That being said, I have to wonder what are you doing voting yourself though? That's probably not something I expect from mafia, as they have more incentive to live than town does.

MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:53 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:23 pm
MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:07 pm Just like sex, vanillia is the best way to play mafia

Change my mind
That's nice, where's your head at on everyone who has posted so far?
I said this the first game I was in and I'll say it again. There's literally no solid evidence out there right now for anyone. I've been at school most of today and am only now really even paying attention. Also last game I was voted out for having this opinon, so go kill me for all I care. My point is town members are expendable, but how you expend them is important.

Youch now that I think about this you probably already know that. I'm tired af rn.

Oh that's unfortunate. I hope that I can find you as town without needing your flip.
If you're town that is.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:33 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:54 pm I'm not elaborating my read on CR. It is what it is.

I find it interesting Gav seems to be assuming CR is town. I'm really only seeing Gav push Mac, who he started pushing right out the gate.
When did I ever say I TR CR? Lmao.
Well, you're scum reading Mac, and watching his read progression on CR. You're asking me to detail my read in CR...all the while not pushing a read of your own.

You push your scum reads, hard, every game. If you're not pushing CR, and you're not, it's fair to assume you're not SR him.

So what is your take?

I like how Falcon points out that Gav by not SRing me is by implication having me as a town read. It feels towny as Falcon seems to believe what they're saying here.

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:24 pm Hey CRichard. Okay listen, I'm going to scumlean you cos you voted me on day 1

Ah so it's OMGUS then?
Cool.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:20 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:08 pm
Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:07 am I posted this while still not knowing what my role/alignment is.

Hi all, confirmed town here!
Hey there, it's been a while!
How do you know this person?

I met Paopan on Starcraft 2 mafia website.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:14 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:13 pm
Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:07 am I posted this while still not knowing what my role/alignment is.

Hi all, confirmed town here!
On a more serious note, I feel that this feels too LAMIST for my liking.
I have trouble imaging why as town, they'd need to announce that they're town.
It's possible that it could be a personality trait, yet it's something to watch out for.
well they said they posted it before checking their role pm

do you think that’s a lie?

To answer your question, I don't know.
As I said, I felt that saying how towny one is is something more likely to come from Mafia as townies have less of a need to care about how they're perceived in thread.

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:07 am I posted this while still not knowing what my role/alignment is.

Hi all, confirmed town here!

On a more serious note, I feel that this feels too LAMIST for my liking.
I have trouble imaging why as town, they'd need to announce that they're town.
It's possible that it could be a personality trait, yet it's something to watch out for.

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:07 am I posted this while still not knowing what my role/alignment is.

Hi all, confirmed town here!

Hey there, it's been a while!

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:15 pm What I don’t like is Mac just entirely dropped their push on CRich.

Fair, though I would imagine that town would probably be more willing to move their vote based on who is scummier from their PoV.
Mafia otoh would probably be more rigid and inflexible with their votes, though I have to be careful that it doesn't bite me in the well ..... behind as this lobby has some experienced players.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:13 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:32 am The one thing I find noteworthy is that Gav/Mac cross voting each other doesn't give w/w vibes.
Their arguing earlier felt too hostile for those two to both be bad guys.
Yeah it's hardly revolutionary, yet it's there.
I haven't voted anyone

Eh you didn't?
It would be nice to have vote history for cross reference.

MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:07 pm Just like sex, vanillia is the best way to play mafia

Change my mind

That's nice, where's your head at on everyone who has posted so far?

The one thing I find noteworthy is that Gav/Mac cross voting each other doesn't give w/w vibes.
Their arguing earlier felt too hostile for those two to both be bad guys.
Yeah it's hardly revolutionary, yet it's there.

I'll chalk up the decidedly low activity to real life.
Speaking of which, it's going to be bedtime for me soon enough.

What's up gamers?

Hmm not many posts as of now, is that usual on this site?

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