The Syndicate

gg wp

thx for the carry.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:17 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:55 pm @Allcrab why are you alive?

Cuz I'm not dead.

Why do you think the mafia have kept you alive?

Maybe they find me fun maybe the hosts promised them muffins for doing it or maybe it's because I've been in the PoE since d1 and there's about a half dozen people clearer than me, perhaps we'll never know.

I'm going gnome then mac if needed then popping bottles.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:55 pm @Allcrab why are you alive?

Cuz I'm not dead.

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

I think we have to resolve this, don't see any better options.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:12 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:07 pm Figured. Good game Sloober. Hopefully Allcrab was there.

nope esooa

This keeps happening and you're going to be in most POEs regardless of what I say.

Not mindreader sorry.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:07 pm Figured. Good game Sloober. Hopefully Allcrab was there.

nope esooa

Also poor belzy they were right but died on a technicality.

Maybe it is just gnome then and my streak of being terrible at reading them continues RIP.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

k.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:30 pm I can use my muse to target someone. Doesn't matter who. You both target me and you get a role and an action.

okay

1. How does me targeting you do that? From what I can tell all your role does is prevent RBs?
2. Why tf did you holster n5?

Okay wait I need to double check something.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:29 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:28 pm My only problem with trying Alison first is if that's wrong and we have sit through another day of just sitting on mac all day and seeing what happens I will actually just eat my own hands out of boredom.

You and LoMo can clear me overnight I already explained this.

How?

Like even if I was the normal version of my role that seems unlikely.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:28 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:27 pm nanook told me over night that allcrab and Mac would be a decent Poe for today.

Okay well fuck him then I'm glad he's dead lol.

mood

My only problem with trying Alison first is if that's wrong and we have sit through another day of just sitting on mac all day and seeing what happens I will actually just eat my own hands out of boredom.

I guess for what I'm saying for the poison to be true their would either have to be 2 wolves in (Mac, Martin, lomo) which would be somewhat unlikely or it's one in (Mac, Alison, lomo, Martin) and TSP poisoner which is what we're kinda assuming anyway.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:08 pm Why would that not be TSP, @Allcrab?

Desperado cleared.

What I'm saying assumes poisoner is a wolf but I guess they wouldn't have to be.

Maybe that's dumb considering I've never been that amazing at reading gnome but there would be levels of deception in gnomes play that arn't really them if you know what I mean. Not that they couldn't be capable of it but more it's not really their personality to approach things that way IMO.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:04 pm @Allcrab do you still feel the same security you once did in your town read of Gnome?

I probably shouldn't be but yeah I still think gnome is village to the extent that I'd even consider lomo before them.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:57 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:55 pm Is there any possible chance poisoner is a wolf and they fake poisoned gnome to make us paranoid get them lynched?

I guess they don't have to be wolf for that it would just make more sense to me if they were.

I’d call it “possible”. Does something about the present state of affairs make you believe this to be the case?

I mean gnome lived after being poisoned but nobody can explain why so yeah there needs to be an explanation for that.

Nobody coming forward looks bad for gnome and I feel that's probably the point so the question becomes why and the answer to that would be because just killing isn't gonna work they need to start getting creative because PoE is closing in on them and they need to deflect heat and making gnome look shady does that.

Well this is an explanation for it I don't know if it is the explanation or that it points to anybody in particular other than meaning it's likely not gnome. However this also means it's not TSP which means idfk what their doing regarding their role.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:53 pm what if we said fuck it and all voted Alison right now

That is certainly a thing we could do.

y tho?

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:55 pm Is there any possible chance poisoner is a wolf and they fake poisoned gnome to make us paranoid about them to get them lynched?

I guess they don't have to be wolf for that it would just make more sense to me if they were.

EBWOP

Is there any possible chance poisoner is a wolf and they fake poisoned gnome to make us paranoid get them lynched?

I guess they don't have to be wolf for that it would just make more sense to me if they were.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:50 pm Mac voters: what’s your next move if he flips town?

Put effort in for the first time since d1 lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:34 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:04 am The holistic production of this review is pretty much a non-decision for Allcrab. My view doesn't change much. However I did highlight the one Made post that speaks to me a good amount, and in Allcrab's favor. I invite perspectives on that one especially.

It favors allcrab fairly (but far from completely).

I think its important to note that Made didn't have a lot of posts (when he has been capable of low and high posting as both alignments) so it may inherently be trying to not show much.

Though it feels like Allcrab did a bit of (metaphorical) dancing on that Made read and not picking a side. If my word is worth anything though, for a long time I only ever slightly town-read Made and wasn't sure of him either though.

Thanks for the response.

@Allcrab could say a little bit about how his feelings on Made developed through the game.

Going just by d1 yeah made was wolfy to me considering how they talked about nutella but seeing how wagons ended up d1 and the last two on made being nutella and owner a flipped wolf and someone I was certain was wolf I thought wolves tried to pile on made last minute which made me think they were village and then some posts about alison I reread made me doubt my read and I was fine leaving it there.

Then I didn't think about Made much until d5 where I went with the wagon and stayed with it cuz they didn't really seem to care they were going to be lynched and didn't really seem to be trying much at all so was was like "this either a wolf or a villager I would not want in a lylo situation" so seemed like a win-win either way.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:01 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:33 pm Perhaps the worst thing going for Allcrab is that his role is probably the most powerful remaining in the game, has been pseudo-public for over half of it, and he's still here.

Hard to trace that reasoning too far with so many other people that theoretically "should" be dead. At a certain point that becomes deliberate strategy I think, and it's one I have employed as mafia before -- harder for people to freak out that I am still alive when [insert perceived high clout player(s)] are also still alive. This post might be worthless. I am thinking aloud and want the thread alive.

Probably because he is in everyone's POE except mine.

Also barring you or gnome being wolf my role is literally just confirming syn players make up the rest of the not village factions which is overwhelmingly likely anyway.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:59 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:13 am 1. TSP implies I have TMI on who was poisoned
2. TSP later implies Nanook was the likely poison

Someone explain to me how TSP as a villager is able to figure out Nanook was the likely poison independently but when I imply it in my post it's TMI. Ftr I don't think it's a hard thing to figure out that Nanook was the likely poison and I think TSP knows this which means TSP was purposefully shading on grounds he should know don't make sense.

Am I wrong here?

You didn’t just imply it

lol plz dig the hole deeper, I can't wait to hear this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:55 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:53 am I have to check if they advocated for Orange being shot because if they didn't then I buy that narrative even less than I already do.

Nope lol

Mac defended OC on the basis of his "request" to be shot. Mac isn't one to gobble up wifom like that, and it's the most glaring red flag in his ISO for me.

I mean then they bussed no more than like sonny did going by VCs.

Like yes they do have good moments here and there but there's a difference between calling someone wolf and actually advocating for their lynch, Mac has a decent bit of the former but not much of the latter.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:49 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:47 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.

Any reason in particular?

I don't think you would hardbus as scum.

On the topic of this Mac hasn't been on a major wagon since d2 so the whole Mac hellbussing thing isn't strictly true.

I have to check if they advocated for Orange being shot because if they didn't then I buy that narrative even less than I already do.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:31 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:29 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:28 am Jay refresh my memory if we lynched gnome do you die or is it only if gnome is NKed no exceptions?

Also I assume it works vice-versa and if you were NKed that gnome would die? Sorry if this was all said already I just wanna be 100% clear on it.

Yes, same business either way.

okay that could explain why you're not dead cuz that has been bothering me because normally someone who's been playing as you have woulda died a while ago which leads me to two possibilities.

1. Gnome is a wolf and they can't kill you cuz it risks wolf!gnome dying

2. There is one very active wolf that needs to hide among high posting villagers which ofc is the possibility that leads to Mac. Technically it could fit Alison too but they could just kill you for a possible 2 for 1 and let Mac take over as highest poster and kinda skate by I think.

Bonus option 3 that is pure tinfoil that I don't believe at all. It sloonei and he shot a teammate to clear themselves, this is like 2% chance of being it but I did see something like that happen once in another game and I'm always super paranoid about it now lol granted I don't think sloonei is the type to make a play like that.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:28 am Jay refresh my memory if we lynched gnome do you die or is it only if gnome is NKed no exceptions?

Also I assume it works vice-versa and if you were NKed that gnome would die? Sorry if this was all said already I just wanna be 100% clear on it.

Jay refresh my memory if we lynched gnome do you die or is it only if gnome is NKed no exceptions?

1. TSP implies I have TMI on who was poisoned
2. TSP later implies Nanook was the likely poison

Someone explain to me how TSP as a villager is able to figure out Nanook was the likely poison independently but when I imply it in my post it's TMI. Ftr I don't think it's a hard thing to figure out that Nanook was the likely poison and I think TSP knows this which means TSP was purposefully shading on grounds he should know don't make sense.

Am I wrong here?

If TSP isn't poisoner after being purposefully disingenuous I will be floored.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:41 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:12 pm @TonyStarkPrime @MacDougall can Allcrab be the poisoner given the Gnome confirmed I was targeted with an investigative ability? I’m clearly not poisoned. Please reconcile.

Yes this is plausible and allcrab ‘no u’ing being a poisoner makes it seem likely. The unclaimed investigative on garden suggests that the poisoner/ a wolf could have such an ability, and the general lack of a poison could just as easily clear anyone (who wasn’t blocked) from being the poisoner.

Though of course if Allcrab is the poisoner he poisoned Nanook so that does slightly complicate things

How on earth do you say this while making it seem like I had TMI on who was most likely poisoned lmao.

I lowkey want JJJ and Gnome to be their own 3p faction they're getting away with murder in front of all of us.*

*=I don't actually think this mostly out of I think JJJ has stuck their neck out too far to be 3p and to be a wolf and talk this much and put this much work into what's been a losing game for wolves pretty much from the beginning is a level of caring about mafia I don't think I can fathom.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:21 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:15 pm What’s happenin my dudes?

90% sure we just chop Mac and TSP then pop bottles otherwise not much.

Interesting theory. Why’s that?

last wolf kinda has to be between alison and mac and I don't understand alison making their PoE smaller I would think it more likely they would wanna keep it wider like mac

Martin's posting has been ultra reasonable so been feeling better there and the idea of having two 1 shot healers so just we get one heal almost makes sense to me and TSP's last post well let's just say they're either poisoner or lack the ability to infer things.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:15 pm What’s happenin my dudes?

90% sure we just chop Mac and TSP then pop bottles otherwise not much.

inb4 alison claims the heal and they're somehow a redirector, a vote manipulator and a healer.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:24 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:22 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:17 pm What was the rationale for watching me, Allcrab?

considering me explaining my rational yesterday I thought they'd switch it up and go after a villager.

My rationale keeps being right but I keep picking the wrong target lol.

@MacDougall do you see what I see

hmmm yeh

Please cut the shit with this ominous ooloolooing and say what you're saying -- both of you. It's Day 6.

Allcrab implies here that he knows the poisoner’s target despite the fact that this information is not available in thread nor had it even been particularly speculated on.

lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:20 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:16 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:13 pm I think all crabs posts yesterday were okay. There's a chance Martin is the poisoner/mafia has knowledge indicating he is which would be why made pushed him like that (and would mean allcrab is much more likely mafia) but yeah

Do you have a reason for tunneling me besides one post?

do you have a reason to have not read my post before replying to it

Gonna take that as a no.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:17 pm What was the rationale for watching me, Allcrab?

considering me explaining my rational yesterday I thought they'd switch it up and go after a villager.

My rationale keeps being right but I keep picking the wrong target lol.

well I'm confirmed then for anyone who still didn't believe me lol.

nvm lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:13 pm I think all crabs posts yesterday were okay. There's a chance Martin is the poisoner/mafia has knowledge indicating he is which would be why made pushed him like that (and would mean allcrab is much more likely mafia) but yeah

Do you have a reason for tunneling me besides one post?

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:05 pm First instinct of the day is that one mafia and one poisoner are contained within [Mac, Martin, Alison], and Allcrab is a wild card.

That sounds about right.
Oh, and you were not the target of any actions last night.

I'm confused.

This isn't true because I targeted jay but they weren't targeted by anything else so ???

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:23 pm Additionally, we have clearly seen that the poisoner likely has unlimited shots.

I don't think I would believe there is a single 1-shot healer in this setup if I were poisoner.

Thus, without knowing the number of healer shots, I could've waited another day to warn the next and just claim 2-shot healer.

The weird part to me is why two 1 shot healers when they're very likely to just overlap.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:03 am I think that "rule" is foolish, especially at this stage of the game, so I don't care about that.

I do think Mac is an odd choice if your intent is to follow the LC / bad bunny pattern. Those two were hard POE for most people and Mac wasn't even fringe POE for most.

I figured made, martin, gnome were all before him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

gd I knew trying to explain my logic was gonna be a problem because I broke the sacred not allowed to go for 3p until all wolves are dead rule kek.

But here's the thing poisoner doesn't really have TMI so they're harder to catch through thread interactions and I was trying to save us the headache of that.