Sonny wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:10 pm
You've probably already been answered but I'm here now, so; JaggedJimmyJay meet Garden Gnome. She not only encourages tunneling on her, she will pick up a shovel herself and assist your digging. Even if she posts something like "my welcome email said I was scum" it doesn't mean she is scum [true story, nearly]. Watch for her focus on solving, apparently. /not great at reading her
This is a whole load of nothing but I feel like I could see Sonny/Gnome here.
Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:42 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:35 amI'm still responding to page 1 of 15, not there yet. I'm really curious about why a wagon is on Act.
I can see why those who don't know Act are suspect, her first question really is redundant, but I think it's largely around people not knowing her. Her question to Dana was what I was thinking when I saw the nervous post and I think it's valid to expect those who don't know Gnome to be suspect of her. Anyway, catch up.
He's not wrong, but this is a bit of a soft defense of Gnome, combined with telling owner to catch up which proceeds to happen a lot and reads a bit like a frustrated teammate.
Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:19 am
Lol, I am most definitely an old man, I'm just unable to run my normal game which involves scraping the thread into a worksheet that automatically formats everything so I can observe any interaction I want and reference any previous quote while watching trends. I like data. With my memory it feels necessary to have a good game. That said, your ISO function is good so meh.
To be fair I can believe that this would be throwing town!Sonny off his game and demotivating him.
Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:25 am
I thought most Syndicate players had Nutella as townie, no? Why is Jay reading them as town wrong? Did I miss something here?
Also, when did Jay call Owner town, she only just started playing?
This is a bit nitpicky but I do feel like the statement on nutella could be indicative of a teammate who doesn't have to try to read her. Or it could be cross-community struggles.
Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:38 am
Guys, I actually don't enjoy being town read, I mean, do you, but I could be scum yaknow.
Actually, I think I'm just not used to having town reads thrown out like glitter. There are a lot. A lot a lot.
This is pretty much just a character judgement, but from what I know of town!Sonny, I think he's a lot happier upon arriving to a site where lots of town reads are the norm. I think he probably enjoys working with people in the thread. I think he probably doesn't seem this concerned about the number of town reads.
Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 9:19 pm
Funny thing, when I woke up one of my first thoughts was I bet LoMo would be leading the votes and lol, here it is, should be fun to catch up. 2 is meh, but it tickles me that I saw that one coming.
I believe this to be a real thought, which means I probably think Sonny/LoMo is mildly unlikely.
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:18 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 10:33 pm
GTH swipes, sorta (call the left swipes POE more than "mafia reads")
Best Reads List Ever! Props for effort.
Definitely still have an unwavering Syndicate bias though. So if you're town, then best yeet would be Made in this scenario. Why are they scummy to you?
So the only non-PerC player that JJJ had as a scum read was made, while he also had owner as a scum read. I think it's a bit of a leap of logic to then be like "okay so that means you can't trust your reads on the PerC players, let's just focus on Made for now," which might suggest teaming with owner.
Montage of Sonny being irritated/concerned that owner isn't around and trying to get useful posts out of her:
Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 9:20 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 8:24 am
@Sonny, did you give a read on Owner? If not, what do you think of her?
Felt like she was here for 2 minutes, posted next to nothing of value, didn't read everything, than left. I was, err, underwhelmed. I expect left-of-centre from her, not meh.
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:00 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:45 am
not sure, how I feel about all the lomo votes...hmm...I'm not caught up. But it seems like I keep seeing PerC wagons as if we are unwelcomed on someone's home turf...adk
Where are you up to?
Do you have any reads?
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:24 am
[VOTE:
Owner] aubergine
Let's see how this feels.
Tell me things, Owner.
(also, psst, Nutella said "Spicy", check it out!)
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:41 am
Oooh, Nook isn't self voting anymore.
Owner, please just catch up. All this talk about not being caught up is shady.
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:56 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:52 am
Back in the day, lomo was who I would sometimes aspire to be in terms of town players. He had these incredible reads and scum fear killed him regularly at some point. But his play nowadays isn't quite what I remember of it. I'll have to read his posts. I don't know. Just coming into this site, I see the vote count more frequently than I usually see a vote count on PerC/MafiaCafe. So I'm calling it out. I'm like hey I don't know how long wagons have been there, but anything above 3 votes generally makes me suspicious of the wagon itself.
Keep reading, but please do remember
... there are 24 players, 3 votes is a blip.
(I read this as "don't worry about the people who have voted you even though I'm one of them", like if that vote wasn't for pressure then what was it for? probably distancing imo)
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:14 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:07 am
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:41 am
Oooh, Nook isn't self voting anymore.
Owner, please just catch up. All this talk about not being caught up is shady.
What about Nook unvoting fills you with awe?
What’s shady about not catching up?
I’d like thought processes backing up accusations please.
I'm used to Nook not voting D1 and/or being coy/non-compliant about sharing any scum reads because, say it with me folks "I don't believe in scum reads". If he's town I value his reads so I'm interested that he's voted Nutella with a bunch of other Syndicate players.
It's sketchy that she keeps mentioning that she needs to catch up, then not doing it, then complaining about it etc. Catch up or don't. Harp on it though and it feels like, err, what's the word here, eugh, like "I can't give decent reasons for anything I say because I'm not up to date" so I'll keep reminding you I'm not up to date so you don't hold it against me.
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:17 am
hawkataine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:08 am
Sonny sorry if you've already weighed in on this but what are your current takes on LoMo and Owner?
LoMo's feels okay to me, I thought his call out on Nutella and the 'could unvote' thing was good. I'm still waiting to see town!Owner, I don't care about the wording stuff, that's Owner being Owner, she just feels 'not here'.
This whole set of posts really seems like Sonny is waiting for owner to get with the program so that he can justifiably slap a town read on her. It doesn't scream to me that he's actually trying to read her.
Then there's this sequence where Mac asks Sonny to vote Nutella (his vote is currently on owner) and Sonny is like yeah sure (with dodgy reasoning) and then has a questionable reaction when Mac changes his mind
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:03 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:00 am
@Sonny vote nutella
Lol, sure
[VOTE:
Nutella] aubergine
I actually have a meh read on them anyway, only note is the insta town read on Kito which must have been a joke but yall are dropping so many sincere townreads over air so who the hell knows anymore.
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:29 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:28 am
I suddenly townread nutella
This is Sonny's Nutella interactions post:
Sonny wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:17 pm
Scha-weet!
Read Nutella's interactions overnight and this is what I take from it (well all but the last page where she was just open wolfing imo). Haven't caught up on today yet so it's unevolved.
Actvscenei: Says first post is wolfy. Gave awk vibes. Had TMI on Tang. Changed to Act may just be like this. Says voted Act for backtracking on Tang. Backs off Act - Mentions/interacts with her a bit but is kinda meh overall
Guillotine: Feels like Guillo pushed her while she walked it back - Strong town reads him, says he isn't understanding/reading her posts right when challenged - probably okay
Garden Gnome: Said her entry sounded fine, nothing in it
Kito: Calls town for his first post what even the what. Why is Kito opportunisitc about Act (to Mac), jumped on someone calling Kito scum. Seems to defend Kito for whatever that means - possibly teamed (need to review)
lost monkey: Had lots to say about him, he called her out early and she encourages people to look at him via shading, a lot - Lock!Town
hawkataine: 1 interaction to her intro post - meh
Owner of a Lonely Heart: Owner calls her scum for a weird word, she seems to push owner forward although votes LoMo, keeps her name out there though - Probably town
Belzy: No interactions
Seanzie: No interactions
bad bunny: No interactions
Allcrab: No interactions
Gavial: Not much from Nutella's side, Gavial seems to push her though - says "save Owner vote Nut" like - probably town
JaggedJimmyJay: A lot of interaction, calls strong town seems to be responding to Jay more than anything else
Sloonei: Timing of Sloonei vote probably means little, not much else
Alison: Didn't like Alison having her in her PoE, vibed as real annoyance - probably town
Tangrowth: A decent amount of OT with Tang. Says "Tangy's just town" early, seems likely unteamed, keeps town read down. Sheeps Tang's reads exactly even though they didn't align with what she was saying. If teamed would have drawn it out - Townie
MacDougall: Fobs Mac off a lot and doesn't give serious answers, placating, says he's seeking reactions when calling her scum, timing of his vote/toying with her is good - Townie
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME: Votes Nook, not a lot there, liked his vote tho - Probably townie
MartinGG99: Calls Martin town because "I guess sheeping Alison", says the same thing again later, low effort here - dunno
Made: Minimal interaction, asks for reads, wants their take on LoMo and Owner. Counterwagon tho so meh
Long Con: No interactions
Dana: Wolf wouldn't say "nervous", soft backs off Act to Dana, minimal - dunno
The thing that stands out most to me is the equal town reads on nanook and owner based on nutella interactions. That doesn't seem reasonable, especially when Sonny was previously like "I value town!Nanook's reads and am therefore interested that he's voting Nutella" on D1.
Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:29 am
Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:28 am
[VOTE:
Owner] aubergine
rly tho
If you're a flower vendor, why not say who you visited? Or at least say "no it wasn't Jay"?
She dodged Sean's question, even if it is a fake trap, it's a poor reaction.
To be fair to Sonny, if he bussed, he committed pretty hard pretty early. I don't think that's outside his range, but it's probably towards the more ruthless end of it.
Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:23 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:16 am
Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:14 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 am
OoO! Fun! Sonny, you also tried to distract me with Kito. I like this!
Distract you from what?
Owner.
I'm catching up on today's posts.
Even if you were reaction testing her, her reaction pinged me, so carry on.
I couldn't find what Seanzie was talking about here (I had changed ISO page already and my time is very valuable lol) but it's probably worth including here at least
Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:14 am
Eh, don't really mind Hawks reaction to Gavial's red check.
Exhibit A
Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:57 am
Why not. Let's see how this sits.
[VOTE:
hawkataine] aubergine
He makes this vote once he realises Gav isn't joking (presumably why he liked my reaction as well). Sonny was my co-mod on gav's scum game on MafC recently and I think that would give him a decent basis to be like yes this is a player who would joke about that. In which case the question is, upon seeing a claimed redcheck from a player like gav, is it reasonable to assume he's joking, or do you have to know that I didn't have the kill to make that assumption?
Also his vote on me is terrible given that he liked my reaction and the redcheck isn't a real redcheck. Easy way to distract from his owner suspicion.
Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:39 am
Oh yay, I caught up to my own posts finally and am reminded why I had Owner as scummy. I don't know if I'm misremembering, but I feel as though there's been a game where she fake claimed vendor as scum. Would have to search tho.
I'm at Owner, Belzy, Bunny and fine to see where the Hawk thing goes.
Again, doesn't vote owner. He's not seeing where the hawk thing goes, because he already said he liked my reaction. The reaction test has happened. Finito.
Sonny wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:14 am
20+ pages behind and a run away wagon on Owner, so... things happened? X D
Sonny wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:33 am
Lol wait, Owner is voting Tang after the Belzy shot?
[VOTE:
Owner] aubergine
Of all the reasons to choose to finally vote owner, this is not the one I would have gone with, given that all of his earlier suspicion still stands. I think it shows a lack of progression in his read on her. Still, it would have to be his second bus in as many days, so I guess there's that going for him.
Sonny wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:12 am
The review was of Nutella posts only like literally her ISO posts, there's been a lot more since then including the D1 wagon review I did where Owner's vote was a ? against her. Tbf there's been 1 thing I'd been expecting to see from Owner that has never come and it's a big long reads lists with weird reads that makes you squint your eyes but shows me she's reading things and considering. I've only seen her in one game recently and I was spectating, but a post just like that was what gave me enough to get a town read on her. She hasn't even come close to that imo. Maybe her role is legit, but I still think it's non-town.
And this is a pretty harsh bus, as well as alluding to the thing that Sonny's allegedly been waiting to see from her all this time.
TL;DR: If Sonny's scum, he would have had to make two busses, he did shade owner since D1, and I can believe that he got burnt out on an unfamiliar site. That said, he was very noncommital on nutella, he left himself a loophole to start town reading owner at any time and could have encouraged her to do that in scum chat, and his vote on me is terrible, as well as me just not seeing the kind of enthusiasm he normally has as town. So I'm putting it at about 76% mafia. No reason to think he's 3P.