The Syndicate

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:22 pm GG @Delta you posted well

I enjoyed you acting like you were who I wanted leading lylo and using me saying to Hydra to give it more credit, devilish

I meant what I said about your town game irrespective of if this was it

You were my to read day 1 / overall-y. Suddenly you got lynched at d3. Really sad lynch right before lylo.

In F5 epi and Delta looked townie cuz they were posting stuff. Wilg also posted a lot of stuff, but Falcon and Wilg townreading each other looked either too easy or obvious as wolfs, but they were simply two town reading each other correct. I did wonder: are those two open wolfing or actually just town? Epi posting stuff could also been seen as framing Falcon, so epi+Delta or even epi+112 were def options. 112 looked the most in doubt / having town vibes.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 6:02 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 6:01 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:56 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:49 pm I missed eod3. Did it rand between Delta and Eso?
randed between me, falcon and esooa
Wow. A 3 way rand. Why did that happen. I was occupied irl. I saw afterwards Eso asking me to vote for Falcon. My vote was still on you, but I guess you got away.
112 didnt make it to EOD so

That night, when you killed me off, I re-read the whole thread. I swaer, I had any combination considered as possible wolf teams. You and epi were my guess while re-reading day 1. Epi and falcon, Delta and Wilg, Falcon and Wilg, 112 and Delta, 112 and who knows, etc. It was crazy how anyone could been seen as scummy. I think 112 looked the most townie from the remaining 5. Falcon and Wilg vs Delta and epi was a thing.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:56 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:49 pm I missed eod3. Did it rand between Delta and Eso?
randed between me, falcon and esooa

Wow. A 3 way rand. Why did that happen. I was occupied irl. I saw afterwards Eso asking me to vote for Falcon. My vote was still on you, but I guess you got away.

I missed eod3. Did it rand between Delta and Eso?

Congratz Delta and epi

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 2:09 am I'm fine voting between Falcon/Wilgy, Delta I can give more time because I believe his WIM can increase

What is a WIM?

Also, we are at day 3. Delta has had plenty of time.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:35 am @Belzy can you link your MU profile/games

Internet Cupid

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:29 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:26 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:24 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:19 pm Do we accept a Xan + Sean team?
\o/
im down
Okay. It's a thought. So if it feels good. Then that's something.

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:53 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:19 pm Do we accept a Xan + Sean team?
No.
Me neither. I will look for something else.

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:58 pm What if Zenon is wolf again?

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:15 pm I am getting concerned Zenon is wolf again.

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:18 pm @Delta why were you down with a Xan + Sean team?
towny sequence, world, goes with it, doubts and has a random suspicion on a player it's reasonable to. When they're off that, questions the person who agreed with it. Overall, good flow between things and caring about events (Delta agreeing with them)

You are actually quoting stuff where Delta didn't look all that townie.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:05 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:01 am
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:56 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:42 am Wilgy?

I don't think he's done anything great, and idk if I should be convinced by his solving?

But his reasons seem fine enough, his justifications
i'm also paranoid of wilgy

wasn't particularly satisfied by his comment on falc's d1, too
Belzy?
Belzy I can see being a wolf. I'd rank her just above falcon.

I'm thinking something like this right now:

Town
Delta
esooa
Epi
Wilgy
Belzy
falc
Mafia

Why are Delta and Eso your top town reads, and Wilg's top two scumreads at the same time?

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:21 am
Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:50 am @Belzy

going 'well these guys said delta' takes their pushes completely out of context lol:
- xan decided to double down on a false godread on me, he had the same issue in the first rand
- tutuu's push on me is the same as the first rand as well and was based in paranoia they showed before

i dont see why youd just blindly go 'well delta must be mafia because the two town that got misvoted for good reason said so'
So any town who got lynched is misvoted for good reason? I believe only Mafia is lynched for good reason. Your words sounds understandable from a Mafia POV.

If we keep lynching TOWN*, we=town don't work together well enough to solve to game and/or missing something.

And yes, I will listen to dead townies their reads, because I know they are, and I know I read the game upside down.

*ebwop

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:50 am @Belzy

going 'well these guys said delta' takes their pushes completely out of context lol:
- xan decided to double down on a false godread on me, he had the same issue in the first rand
- tutuu's push on me is the same as the first rand as well and was based in paranoia they showed before

i dont see why youd just blindly go 'well delta must be mafia because the two town that got misvoted for good reason said so'

So any town who got lynched is misvoted for good reason? I believe only Mafia is lynched for good reason. Your words sounds understandable from a Mafia POV.

If we keep lynching, we=town don't work together well enough to solve to game and/or missing something.

And yes, I will listen to dead townies their reads, because I know they are, and I know I read the game upside down.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:51 pm I stand by what I said about 112. Let me know if there's a reason I should change my stance, but I'm not going through 512 Xenon posts or whatever. Can't be assed.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:14 am Xyn + tutuu is now my wolf team.
Your team is dead. Where to next?

112 is good.
Belzy is bad.

It is gotta be Delta with someone then. 112 prolly town, cuz I linked that spot with a bunch of town flips.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine
@Delta

Okay, I suck. Once again I read the game upside down. Xan and tutuu both say it's Delta.

One more minute

At least we built a wagon on tutuu. Hopefully tutuu is wolf.

On day 3 we need more solving and finding town. This is just too quiet and divided.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:53 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:14 pm 112 too if you're around could you answer that

same question for anyone around really, i dont know who is/isnt here
tutuu and falc tbh

What is Falcon's meta?

Maybe 112 is town, and I am wrong about calling Zenon wolf. I think tutuu is still a good lynch.

The thread is so quiet. I am doubting everything now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:30 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:42 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:52 pm 112 is a civilian.

Guess how I know.
You are either Wolf or we read things differently?
It's in the timestamps. 112 subbed in and immediately gave an opinion without spending time trying to gather up the nuances of the predecessor in an effort to appear consistent.

So that's either a civilian or a super ballsy mafia.

Would a townie not need time to gather reads?

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:14 pm 112 too if you're around could you answer that

same question for anyone around really, i dont know who is/isnt here

Tutuu and 112

We nearing eod2 and Falcon leads by 1 vote over everyone else but 112.

Are we not even trying to solve this game?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:09 am

@112 @Delta

can one of u vote zenon please?

perfection

This tells us we are too divided. And imo your play is mostly focussed on creating that, despite saying eod1 to follow me. You defend my targets, and target the others. You are either scum with another scumread of mine, or I am greatly mistaken.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:23 pm I don't like tutuus belzy push day 1 at all either

Belzy has such a high contrast to last game it seems narrow minded to just call it different so wolf instead of thinking people change between games

I think belzy may be a wolf though, but I need to deal with dumb ogi clouding my mind to consider it

Her reads definitely aren't satisfying though

My reads aren't satisfying?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:04 am if epi is mafia i'll eat a hat cmon he's gotta be town

Why are you so convinced?

" cmon " , " gotta be town "

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:41 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:40 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:34 pm Mafia:

ted
esooa
Wow, really? How did you create those reads?
cuz he's a wolf

I think all of day 2 Z112 and tutuu are wolves, but have epi as my 3rd scummiest read.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:42 pm One of them isn't even my teammate.

But the other...

Why are you doing this?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:52 pm 112 is a civilian.

Guess how I know.

You are either Wolf or we read things differently?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:34 pm Mafia:

ted
esooa

Wow, really? How did you create those reads?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:31 pm Civilians:

112
DrWilgy
tutuu

Wow, really? How did you create those reads?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:07 pm @Belzy come here and call me scummy again i expect nothing and i expect to be disappointed still

TMI me again. You really talk to me as you know I am town here.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:04 pm stop townreading delta for lvl 1 he's obv not a noob and knows how to play well. u guys are all townreading him coz he's posting properly. he's not town doe

@Esooa @112 @Belzy

@tedxtr vote w me my love

TMI again? Eod1 you tried to save Zenon by moving the wagon to me. And once again you defend 112.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:01 pm i forgive belzy for pushing obv town 112 pat pat belzy

cant forigve delta

delta has been openwolfing all day

vote delta hello town where u at

TMI and/or Wolf protecting fellow Wolf.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:59 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:45 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:25 pm I gotta admit belzy is pretty surface level towny but i still feel like i should be keeping my vote. Maybe being towny or scummy means nothing in terms of alignments if u think bout it philosophically. Is mafia nothing but a game of pure chance that we delude ourselves into thinking we can skilfully have control over to satisfy our own egos?
this post reads as hedge that turned into funposting because it was too hedge at first
lock town

Lol. Really...

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:49 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:28 pm Tutuu hasn't posted a single thing I agree with I think
funny i was thinking the same about u

Tutuu is prolly the scummiest of all.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:48 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:46 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:42 pm like zenon:
pivoted off xan to wilgy last second
gets pushed for the weird movement
112 comes in
'yeah i wouldve voted xan too dont feel bad for it'
eek?
I am telling you, Zenon112 are wolf, and als tutuu imo.

Hmmmmm

Which one is the wolfiest?

Eod1 Zenon. Then d2 Tutuu cuz just as scummy as d1. Now 112 and tutuu both.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:42 pm like zenon:
pivoted off xan to wilgy last second
gets pushed for the weird movement
112 comes in
'yeah i wouldve voted xan too dont feel bad for it'
eek?

I am telling you, Zenon112 are wolf, and als tutuu imo.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine
@tutuu

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:28 pm Tutuu hasn't posted a single thing I agree with I think

Yup. Same. That's both d1 and d2.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:34 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:33 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:23 pm my brain is currently structured at like:

belzy
drwilgy
esooa

epignosis
falcon
tedxtr

tutuu
112

with tutuu/112 being more yellowish/hazy than actual scumreads, struggling to find something that feels right to me right now. those lower down are more 'i want to hear more from them' than 'raaah wolf'. same for the tier above them. though ill speak to anyone really i feel like ive stumbled into today with no real gameplan.
i can explain any of these if anyone is interested?

also. i realise ive managed to have a completely alphabetical reads list. nice.
Eso
Epi

Almost...
oh my god wait i hate it here FUCK

Perhaps your most painful moment of the game.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:50 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:16 pm
Xanjori wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:14 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:13 pm
Xanjori wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:12 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:02 pm
Xanjori wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:12 pm Better question, fuck delta's exercise.

People tell me why you're low posting. What has changed between the first rand and this.
Why ask an entire thread this?
Why not just answer the question?
Lol. You said: EXCEPT BELZY
Ok. Why are you posting more this time around? Whats changed for you?
Everything. And I already explained. Zenon quoted it and said it's good / only answer she'd accept from me.
I don't like this from Belzy. Putting emphasis on what Zenon said about the explanation is actually just random--adds nothing to the conversation except an appeal to what a third party said about it.

You are literally tunneling me, and totally being aware of it. Agenda. Wolf.

Wilg, Falcon and 112 have also played with me before.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:23 pm my brain is currently structured at like:

belzy
drwilgy
esooa

epignosis
falcon
tedxtr

tutuu
112

with tutuu/112 being more yellowish/hazy than actual scumreads, struggling to find something that feels right to me right now. those lower down are more 'i want to hear more from them' than 'raaah wolf'. same for the tier above them. though ill speak to anyone really i feel like ive stumbled into today with no real gameplan.
i can explain any of these if anyone is interested?

also. i realise ive managed to have a completely alphabetical reads list. nice.

Eso
Epi

Almost...

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:13 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:31 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:48 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:26 am
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:38 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:40 am
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:05 am @Belzy why zenon here?
Once Xan's lynch was set in stones, she moved her vote from Xan to Wilg without explanation, as well not engaging with the thread eod1. She prolly thinks Xan's lynched, I move elsewhere, and stay quiet. Most of d1 her vote was parked on Xan, which makes it all very fishy. Also, why not Zenon here?
oh yikes, i didnt pay too much attention to voting shifts tbh

plus i wont lie i did not do my homework overnight T_T but tyty
If someone like Zenon looka similar as any AI. You gotta take a look at voting patterns and eod's.
yeah I get you
ill look into it in a bit and give my own thoughts since theres a few who have talked about zenon here
I am not the only one who felt wary of Zenon d1, and sometimes a gut can sense something the eyes cannot see yet. I look forward to your thoughts; how you would see Zenon's play so far.
aye aye captain o7
though im gonna delay this slightly and let 112 post a little
speaking of, hello hello friend o/
could you give me a rundown of how you play as town and wolf? even if just a sentence or two

It depends on many factors how I play. You better ask Seanzie or Zenon. They played with me before.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:40 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:36 pm ISO w/Notes

Spoiler: show
Belzy:
d1
418 - disapproves of Xan's response to Falcon
420 - shouts wolf at Xan without real interaction
425 - Calls Xan wolf for what was a joke about Zenon
452 - Theorizes a Xan/Sean team
516 - shouts wolf at Zenon
552 - Theorizes a Xan/Epi team
630/633 - Finds Tutuu's actions wolfy
635 - Theorizes a Xan/Tutuu team
741 - Tutuu wolf because reads are not developing in spite of presence
843 - Evaluates Wilg

d2
911 - Zenon wolf call
912 - Tutuu eod1 towny
995 - lynch order list
Belzy's most likely town. I do think that the suspicion on Xan was not iterated as much as I'd like to be comfortable saying it came from a town, BUT the work Belzy did looking to alternate players to either vote or align with the Xan read seems like it's coming from a towny place.

I am curious about the current Tutuu read as Tutuu was called towny in 912, but was put 2nd to the top of the yeetables in 995.
part of why tutuu was called towny by belzy was due to their eod iirc?
wondering what you think of this since im kinda iffy on tutuu's eod myself looking back
not a full iso to do its just a few quotes

Could you elaborate on tutuu's eod1?

112 looks scummy too. Very agenda-y.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:36 pm ISO w/Notes

Belzy:
d1
418 - disapproves of Xan's response to Falcon
420 - shouts wolf at Xan without real interaction
425 - Calls Xan wolf for what was a joke about Zenon
452 - Theorizes a Xan/Sean team
516 - shouts wolf at Zenon
552 - Theorizes a Xan/Epi team
630/633 - Finds Tutuu's actions wolfy
635 - Theorizes a Xan/Tutuu team
741 - Tutuu wolf because reads are not developing in spite of presence
843 - Evaluates Wilg

d2
911 - Zenon wolf call
912 - Tutuu eod1 towny
995 - lynch order list

Belzy's most likely town. I do think that the suspicion on Xan was not iterated as much as I'd like to be comfortable saying it came from a town, BUT the work Belzy did looking to alternate players to either vote or align with the Xan read seems like it's coming from a towny place.

I am curious about the current Tutuu read as Tutuu was called towny in 912, but was put 2nd to the top of the yeetables in 995.

Tutuu's whole d1 was scummy, except eod1, however d2 tutuu is once again scummy. Maybe tutuu's eod1 is also more scummy than I thought, but overall-y either way a very scummy player.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:52 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:36 pm I think we can do better than just 'hopefully'. How much is this based on actual solving?
fam we can solve our asses off in the end we still aint chopping no wolf lets be real

Are you saying wolf will sweep this game?

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:49 pm I'm many things. Wolf is not one of them.

The brain does not understand the word 'not', so...

You're many things. Wolf is one of them.

Thank you for your confession.

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