The Syndicate

yeah i played horribly

nothing new

gg's and well played wolves

i guess i dont have anyone to blame but myself

i had good reads and then put 0 effort into pushing them so

thats on me sorry

~mawile

wut.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 7:04 pm (we backed up the vig)

oh my god

did we not learn our lesson after bm4

~mawile

oh its hammered

ok see yall tomorrow

i'm going to be eating in a moment. we need to make a decision if we are absolutely sleeping or defenestrating. i still think i'd rather sleep.

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:57 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:56 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:55 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:54 pm playing mario galaxy

ama

~togekiss

splits?

i'm not speedrunning it b/c i've never beaten it before

~togekiss

wait i thought that said odyssey

why havent you beaten the WR yet

i plead the fifth

~togekiss

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:55 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:54 pm playing mario galaxy

ama

~togekiss

splits?

i'm not speedrunning it b/c i've never beaten it before

~togekiss

playing mario galaxy

ama

~togekiss

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:15 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:07 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:59 pm like, I feel as if that wall posts exists to fill the hole caused by them needing to town read me. It seems timing wise to just go together in a way the existence of the push /> swap to wolves don't care about the wagon always is there to justify why their vote isn't scummy

Beginning with "BT is a wolf" moving to "wolves don't care about the votes"

Etc

Don't know if I'm explaining this well

@Poop Explosions does this make sense at all

Uh, if I stare at it long enough maybe

But also, you know
My whole thing with progression cases

One part of this that might be an issue is that obviously it's not farfetched to say you're spewed by TAT
But van's been trying to spew herself town from TAT and saying TAT was probably a hit
All while pushing your slot

The question then becomes whether my memory is correct and any of this actually happened

i don't understand how two and through wolf spews bottom text though. i only came to that conclusion based on the information that's out on the table now.

and yeah i did argue that two and through seemed like a wolf and that that should clear me. i also had no reason at the time to think anything about two and through's flip would spew bottom text, so that's why we started deathtunneling them.

like how would my wallpost where i switched my read on you help me as a wolf. why would it be necessary for me to do that if i was a wolf?

answer: it doesn't, and it's not.

this recent push onto me seems incredibly silly bottom text ngl. i almost feel like you're forcing yourself to make this conclusion rather than coming to it cogently and naturally.

afaik it's not wolfy in any way for me to switch my read on you. if you think it is wolfy, you're wrong.

and i don't "need" to townread you. let's get that out of the way. i townread you because the wagon and how eod1 went down makes it more likely that you're a villager. otherwise wolves would've cared to push the vote over to mana or something. you really think if i continued pushing you in this dayphase that it would be outing? if so, how? like wolf!me doesn't need to townread you.

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:58 pm I think TR's post about wolves not caring about the wagons is interesting

I just find it weird in retrospect that they've spent all game pushing me after voting me EoD1 (yeah I'm aware) and once that's not a viable push anymore they have this like, vaguely possible but not really likely excuse as to why their positioning on the wagon isn't actually wolf indicative even though it's >>>rand wolf by saying scum didn't care about the wagons

wut.

i'm confused. you're talking about my positioning on the d1 wagon? mist voted you during eod1 and i tried voting on two and through dilatorily. the fact that my slot voted you had nothing to do with me specifically. if i'm understanding you correctly i was more so talking about how akemi being on your wagon felt villagery, not myself because if i am a wolf, i did try pushing my partner over.

i don't really see why it's not a likely excuse either. like if you're going to actually bus a wolf, you want to look good doing so; it did rand onto two and through but in my mind if myself/akemi were wolves we could've just hard bussed two and through and coast to late game easily

and uh. "rand wolf by saying scum didn't care about the wagons"? what about my or akemi's positioning on the wagon would be indicative that we didn't care who went over? it should be the opposite from your perspective if one of us is a wolf. i'm saying that wolves probably didn't care about the result d1 FROM MY PERSPECTIVE since i know i'm not wolves with akemi, and it seemed like they easily could've had numbers to push you or mana over instead of two and through.

this is nai for me anyways

on a scale from 1-10 my defensiveness tends to score around a 9

i used to be more defensive as a villager, to the point where it eclipsed the amount i did as a wolf, but being defensive is generally nai for me

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:49 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:44 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:41 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:14 pm with that being said,

i'm village and i don't think i've approached this dayphase in the way i would as a wolf.

why are you doing so much to say you're town?

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:41 pm that isn't related to just killing wolves today

wtf this is blatantly untrue. that's not even close to what i've been doing this dayphase. sure i've made posts defending myself but it's not a bulk of my posting

I don't really care if it's a bulk of your posting or not. It's still something I see you've done multiple times this day phase. Saying, "Here's why I'm not w/w with anyone," saying "I never play like this as a wolf"

How come?

because i'm not a wolf and i'm trying to prove it. do i need some other reason?

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:43 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:02 pm anyways bottom text's posts give me an uneasiness in my stomach

and maybe i'm just hungry

im going to eat brb

also, why

...because you were townreading tspic when i think they're the most likely wolf in the game? and since i'm townreading you i'm shifting between "well they don't seem to be working with me wrt this read so i feel powerless" and "wait wtf is bottom text actually a wolf i don't want to believe this"

though more so the former

i mean i asked why you thought tspic was a villager and you didn't answer me

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:41 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:14 pm with that being said,

i'm village and i don't think i've approached this dayphase in the way i would as a wolf.

why are you doing so much to say you're town?

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:41 pm that isn't related to just killing wolves today

wtf this is blatantly untrue. that's not even close to what i've been doing this dayphase. sure i've made posts defending myself but it's not a bulk of my posting

katze pls

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:17 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:14 pm with that being said,

i'm village and i don't think i've approached this dayphase in the way i would as a wolf.

as an exercise, how would that be

i would have a specific goal in mind, and i don't think i've exactly played like i have an agenda right now. if i did i would be pushing in a more focused manner than suddenly townreading bottom text despite wolfreading them all game and suddenly swapping my read on akemi as soon as i started noticing something off about their posting. i don't think i've changed my mind in a way that would be conducive to a wolf's wincon.

tl;dr if bottom text is a wolf wolves didn't try to save them or even seem like they cared about pushing the wagon onto a villager

but in a lot of theoretical wolf teams they also could've saved two and through through some means if they cared to

ergo wolves probably didn't care about the result of d1

anyways i'm linking the wallpost again

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 79#p786379

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:13 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:12 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:10 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:09 pm i'm surprised bottom text hasn't made an akemi frozen meme yet.

I haven't gotten any interaction with this question yet so I'm asking you directly despite you being on me EoD1 tbh lol

Discounting personal reads, how likely do you think it is gamestate wise that there was a wolf on me EoD1

~decently likely if you're a villager because the only other possibility is that there's 2 wolves on mana and i think making of a world within tspic/poop explosions/julinook is becoming increasingly difficult

also if my theory of wolves not caring about who got defenestrated on d1 is correct then the likelihood that wolves spread out their votes becomes more likely

why wouldn't they care?

...how much of this dayphase have you actually read?

with that being said,

i'm village and i don't think i've approached this dayphase in the way i would as a wolf.

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:10 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:09 pm i'm surprised bottom text hasn't made an akemi frozen meme yet.

I haven't gotten any interaction with this question yet so I'm asking you directly despite you being on me EoD1 tbh lol

Discounting personal reads, how likely do you think it is gamestate wise that there was a wolf on me EoD1

~decently likely if you're a villager because the only other possibility is that there's 2 wolves on mana and i think making of a world within tspic/poop explosions/julinook is becoming increasingly difficult

also if my theory of wolves not caring about who got defenestrated on d1 is correct then the likelihood that wolves spread out their votes becomes more likely

i'm surprised bottom text hasn't made an akemi frozen meme yet.

fwiw

i don't think drop in wim is ai

i'm actually more likely to have low wim if i'm a villager. it's more player dependent than anything else, though it could be ai

anyways bottom text's posts give me an uneasiness in my stomach

and maybe i'm just hungry

im going to eat brb

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:59 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:58 pm c4 posted recently and said they somewhat lost motivation for this game and is multitabling

why did he lose motivation? What do you think of that?

he didn't claim why he lost motivation. and it doesn't particularly change my read. i still think they've been one of the most obvious villagers in the game.

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:06 pm Miss me?

Been multitabling hard but also somewhat demotivated for this game. Obviously this isn't exactly an unbiased perspective but my first impression is that Nook's "just sheep legacy ez" is total bs. We know everything they did and more.

Also BT always town but you already knew that.

this is the post ftr

c4 posted recently and said they somewhat lost motivation for this game and is multitabling

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:53 pm do they still have blocks? Why are they saying they can confirm themselves if they already visited

apparently they have at least 1 more based on what they claimed

but i never said they could confirm themselves

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:51 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:50 pm tspic visited honey and vinegar on n2 btw. kinda thonk tbh.

what?

they literally claimed that.

tspic visited honey and vinegar on n2 btw. kinda thonk tbh.

bottom text if you think akemi is a wolf then i don't really think it makes sense for w!julinook to use their jk on them

but i guess it would explain why akemi didn't carry the kill.

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:45 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:42 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:38 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:36 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:33 pm tr if you push tspic I'm going to be obnoxious and say no one listen to tr because they have high mafia equity for being on me EoD 1

I town read you but I'll still do it

because i still don't think poop explosions is a wolf at all and i don't really think it's julinook?

why

okay look mac is just not a wolf this game. i feel insanely confident in that. i don't have a multitude of experience with his wolf game, but this is just how he villages. the sporadic, unfiltered, and capricious way he solves the game as village is here in full force. i can't really explain it a lot better than that; like i've played with mac a lot and every time his game's looked like this, he's been village.

and again, i don't think julinooks treats two and through the way he did if he's a wolf.

what did nook even do wrt tat cause I'm pretty x to doubt on that considering nook pushed mac into being a day 1 wagon (possibly making them not partners but I'll look), then ended on mana over tat

he spent like the first half of the day pushing on two and through, and i immediately thought he was doing so in a way where he wasn't really trying to grab at cred and going for a hard bus. i will recognize he tried doing other things during eod that didn't include killing two and through but he was like one of the first people to actually push their slot

plausibly it's distancing i guess

well anyways i think akemi can still be a wolf pretty easily. in fact i've even put her in my most recent team after starting the day defending her. regardless, i'm not super confident in it and i'm struggling to see worlds where tspic is a villager

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:38 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:36 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:33 pm tr if you push tspic I'm going to be obnoxious and say no one listen to tr because they have high mafia equity for being on me EoD 1

I town read you but I'll still do it

because i still don't think poop explosions is a wolf at all and i don't really think it's julinook?

why

okay look mac is just not a wolf this game. i feel insanely confident in that. i don't have a multitude of experience with his wolf game, but this is just how he villages. the sporadic, unfiltered, and capricious way he solves the game as village is here in full force. i can't really explain it a lot better than that; like i've played with mac a lot and every time his game's looked like this, he's been village.

and again, i don't think julinooks treats two and through the way he did if he's a wolf.

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:33 pm tr if you push tspic I'm going to be obnoxious and say no one listen to tr because they have high mafia equity for being on me EoD 1

I town read you but I'll still do it

i've been pushing on tspic all day today and i thought that should've been clear.

anyways akemi might be a wolf but i'm not down with the tspic v read without substantiation

because i still don't think poop explosions is a wolf at all and i don't really think it's julinook?

i'm not voting poop explosions or julinook at all today btw. like i don't foresee me doing that.

and i'm not going to dismiss voting tspic just because of their claim

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:30 pm voting tspic is griefing. Kill akemi for being on me day 1 and other things is my strongest read. I'm sheeping tspic though. This is my post today lol

why is voting tspic griefing?

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:27 pm everyone find me town now pls

do you still think the world is julinook/poop explosions?

because if you do then that's a massive problem because to me that world is near impossible

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:25 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:24 pm does anyone actually take stock in tsp's argument for why we should defenestrate and how his rb can be used depending on if we defenestrate correctly or not? that's not a mechanical line i want to bet the game off of.

Well it requires him to be town so

No not really

well yeah that was implied to be my issue with taking the argument seriously.

does anyone actually take stock in tsp's argument for why we should defenestrate and how his rb can be used depending on if we defenestrate correctly or not? that's not a mechanical line i want to bet the game off of.

honestly poop explosions is more cleared in my mind than bottom text, but bottom text does just seem like likely v at this point.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:18 pm also like what mac didn't get chopped hwo cares how long you stayed on him

okay but from my knowledge nanook isn't really a busser, though this could be wildly off because it's only based off of a couple of games

his push on two and through on d1 didn't seem like a bus and him pushing poop explosions on top of that if he's a wolf is a very strange line to take as well if he's a wolf iyam.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:14 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:06 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:03 pm i mean since i've made a point of a you/bt dichotomy i dont know if you pseudo clearing bt is reverse psychology or what

i at least agree with you that tspic is most likely a wolf i'm just concerned that you fit with him more than anyone but bt

reverse... psychology? my point was that if mana was a v, and if wolves didn't seem like they cared who went over on d1, which seems decently likely based on how the votes turned out, that that wouldn't make sense in a game state where bottom text is on the chopping block. two and through/bottom text being the top wagons if they're both wolves means wolves have every reason to care.

wait

okay i'm confused now

you're saying if tat/bt were w/w, wolves would have made mana go over

ok i get that i guess

they'd still care between bt/tat?? no?


i think the wall made sense when i read it the first time but now i'm wondering if your logic is biased by tmi

okay but on top of that if bottom text is a wolf wolves didn't care about who went over either between bottom text and two and through. don't you think that would be incredibly strange if that were the case?

unless you're counting my vote on two and through during d1 to be indicative of that and a) i'm never w/w with bottom text and b) i'm not a wolf

yeah if the team is poop explosions/nanook/two and through why on earth is nanook spending the entirety of his d1 trying to destroy his team lmao

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:13 pm I think pushing me/mac as partners is a borderline outing perspective

hold on weren't you hard pushing on poop explosions at eod1?

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:09 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:04 pm gth i think it's tspic/akemi

poop explosions should just be v at this point. if we're trusting his nanook clear (which i think has validity to it) and the d1 wagon suggests bottom text is v, that's the only names left.

sure akemi did push on tspic but it always seemed like there were bigger targets akemi was gunning for

ah yes my "progression" on tspic fits your narrative pretty well huh

i was originally the person that wolfread tspic. sure, during every eod neither of us were really trying to kill tspic (except during d1, the vote just had no traction other than the walrus), but even in that lens i'm pretty sure my interactions with tspic are far less w/w than yours.

if we are defenestrating today tspic's roleblock is going have nothing to do with where i vote

i'm not sure akemi is a wolf right now. i'm still thinking about it but that's where my logic leads me to.