The Syndicate

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:00 pm Tony not voting.. it was him all along

I’ve been trying to tell you this, lol.

Votes are hammered on Marmot @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Like, how do you look at TSP's progression today, combined with him not voting Made n1, and then lynch me over TSP?

I feel like lynching TSP is the one thing we should all be able to agree on, but nobody will even have that conversation with me.

This has definitely been one of the most frustrating games I've ever played just in terms of people ignoring me when I talk. Daisy, I said you were tunneling because you faulted me for defending Marmot, when in reality I wanted to lynch Marmot and TSP is the one who defended him. Clearly you didn't feel like that warranted a response. I wrote a chapter's worth of words about G-Man and Tim, but neither of them want to talk to me and neither Daisy nor Marmot seem to have even read anything I said. I'm not upset about potentially losing, I'm upset because it's LyLo and you all won't even play mafia with me. There hasn't been a case brought against me except for "Tim said so!" How in god's name did Tim, who was wrong about almost everything he said this came, become the final judgment on this game? Moreover, how can you, Daisy, say that I'm ignoring anything? There hasn't been anything brought against me. Rereading day one is fine, but there's plenty of things from the most recent phases that we also need to talk about, and I'm just getting stonewalled. I wish I had just AFKed this phase like some of you are, because almost nothing I write is even being read or considered.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:53 am
Moghedien wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:44 am
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:38 am
Moghedien wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:27 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:09 am To see what they say so I can figure out what to do.

I’m awalcusing this one for now tbh
Why do you want to talk to everyone except me? Why are you waiting on anyone else if you just want to sheep Tim's reads anyway?

I'm trying to be patient with you, but the things you say are all over the place and don't make any sense. It's LyLo, and you didn't reach this point by accident. Even if you were simply disengaged from the game, which to be clear is not acceptable at this point, that doesn't explain you saying contradictory things. You haven't even explained why you're sheeping Tim, no matter how many times I asked you. You are making me decide whether I think you're a wolf or a troll.
I'm waiting to hear from g-man and Tony myself.

talk to me about Marmot.
I'm sort of tilted and tunnel visioning because of what TSP just said, so you'll have to help me switch gears. I'm happy to have you here, at least. What do you want to talk about in regard to Marmot?
greater minds then mine deemed Tony is town. since that is the case then the slim chance you are town then I suggest you figure out who the other wolves r.
Spoiler: show
it's not G-Man

Okay, this is getting ridiculous Daisy. Tim was wrong about nearly everything he said this game. He literally locked himself in a thunderdome with Alison for several phases. Why did you decide he's the authority on this game? I could just as easily reference back to other people who town read me.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:49 am
Moghedien wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:44 am
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:38 am
Moghedien wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:27 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:09 am To see what they say so I can figure out what to do.

I’m awalcusing this one for now tbh
Why do you want to talk to everyone except me? Why are you waiting on anyone else if you just want to sheep Tim's reads anyway?

I'm trying to be patient with you, but the things you say are all over the place and don't make any sense. It's LyLo, and you didn't reach this point by accident. Even if you were simply disengaged from the game, which to be clear is not acceptable at this point, that doesn't explain you saying contradictory things. You haven't even explained why you're sheeping Tim, no matter how many times I asked you. You are making me decide whether I think you're a wolf or a troll.
I'm waiting to hear from g-man and Tony myself.

talk to me about Marmot.
I'm sort of tilted and tunnel visioning because of what TSP just said, so you'll have to help me switch gears. I'm happy to have you here, at least. What do you want to talk about in regard to Marmot?
why u been protecting your partner. sorry, that was flippant. still . .. too far? but like?

still. you 2 seem to be ignoring each other.

humor me a moment, if Marmot is supposed to be town then why did they be doing what they did this whole game? cause to me all signs point to they been doing what they been doing because they is scum.

What do you mean by "what Marmot has been doing this whole game?"

I haven't been protecting Marmot. One of the first things I said today was that Marmot was almost certainly guilty because they tried to tie the votes yesterday.

I think you're developing tunnel vision based around what Tim said, because you somehow overlooked that I came in wanting to lynch Marmot, and TSP is the one who defended him.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:38 am
Moghedien wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:27 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:09 am To see what they say so I can figure out what to do.

I’m awalcusing this one for now tbh
Why do you want to talk to everyone except me? Why are you waiting on anyone else if you just want to sheep Tim's reads anyway?

I'm trying to be patient with you, but the things you say are all over the place and don't make any sense. It's LyLo, and you didn't reach this point by accident. Even if you were simply disengaged from the game, which to be clear is not acceptable at this point, that doesn't explain you saying contradictory things. You haven't even explained why you're sheeping Tim, no matter how many times I asked you. You are making me decide whether I think you're a wolf or a troll.
I'm waiting to hear from g-man and Tony myself.

talk to me about Marmot.

I'm sort of tilted and tunnel visioning because of what TSP just said, so you'll have to help me switch gears. I'm happy to have you here, at least. What do you want to talk about in regard to Marmot?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:09 am To see what they say so I can figure out what to do.

I’m awalcusing this one for now tbh

Why do you want to talk to everyone except me? Why are you waiting on anyone else if you just want to sheep Tim's reads anyway?

I'm trying to be patient with you, but the things you say are all over the place and don't make any sense. It's LyLo, and you didn't reach this point by accident. Even if you were simply disengaged from the game, which to be clear is not acceptable at this point, that doesn't explain you saying contradictory things. You haven't even explained why you're sheeping Tim, no matter how many times I asked you. You are making me decide whether I think you're a wolf or a troll.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:54 am I’m waiting for GMan. And Marmot, to a lesser extent. Actually and Daisy but not sure if I’m gonna get anything there.

Okay, I'll ask the obvious follow-up, since you insist.

What are you waiting on them for, TSP?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:35 am I’m sorry that you want me to solve with you and I’m not going to do that.

Can you explain to me what you're saying? You said you're following Tim, but then you insinuated that you don't even really agree with him. It's LyLo, and you're outright refusing to discuss the game or try and "solve" it. Your behavior only makes sense to me if 1. you're a wolf who is almost open-wolfing because you're so close to victory, or 2. you're a trolling villager. Please explain this to me.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:29 am Following Tim’s directions does not entirely mean I believe in them

I hope that you're a wolf who's going for the "too scummy to be scum" ploy, because otherwise...

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:29 am Following Tim’s directions does not entirely mean I believe in them

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:14 am I’m very close to saying that tying the votes was objectively pro town but numbers might not point in that direction so I want to be careful and wifom

You're not making any sense. You said you were just going to follow Tim's directions, but Tim said the final two wolves were Marmot and me, which would mean that Marmot tying the votes was not pro-town. Are you a wolf, or just a disinterested villager?

This is like talking to a wall, lol. I need Daisy here ASAP. I'm going to fall asleep soon.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:16 am weirdly I had Mog/G-Man down as the team and I think that might be like one paragraph too many for that

Are you G-Man's teammate? I'll be shocked if Marmot turns up innocent after trying to tie up the votes yesterday.

You say you're obeying Tim, but that doesn't make sense for a couple reasons. First, as I recall, Tim said G-Man was innocent. How are you following Tim if you had G-Man down as mafia? Second, Tim was wrong about almost everything he said this game. Why would you randomly choose to sheep Tim? There were plenty of other "power players" who saw things very differently from him, namely Alison. If you were scum reading G-Man, then why would you refuse to even discuss my case against G-Man just because Tim said so?

@DaisyCloud this is why I need you to come back, lol. G-Man and Tim clearly don't want to talk, and I can't trust anything Marmot says after they tried to tie the votes yesterday.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:42 am
Moghedien wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:51 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:04 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:46 pm @TonyStarkPrime and everyone else, did you all see the way Marmot tried to tie the votes yesterday? I couldn’t believe none of you talked about that last night.

The only person whose innocence I’m almost certain of is Daisy. At least one of either G-Man or TSP is deepwolfing, and then I think it’s clear from what Marmot tried to do yesterday that they are likely to be the last wolf.
Sure, I could be deepwolfing with all my freaky vote analysis. I did a lot of scenario building during Corrupt!?, but that was only at the end to help push us over the finish line. There's no point in working that hard for most of the game in a game where baddies could just as well kick back and let the speed of the game amplify the number of bad civvie decisions. That's clearly what they have done and I can't begrudge them that. It's a simple plan that works for fast games like this.

If Daisy is a baddie, fair enough, she can win, but she never gets away with the scatterbrained stuff with me again, even if it is her natural state of play.

I'm relieved that HK and Tim were both civvie, because that at least tells me that I can still mind-meld with right thinking in my advanced age.

My apologies to Kyle. I guess there's only room for one indifferent baddie like you and Made in this game.

So now we're down to the following possibilities:

1) Made-Daisy-Marmot
2) Made-Daisy-Moghedien
3) Made-Daisy-Tony
4) Made-Marmot-Moghedien
5) Made-Marmot-Tony
6) Made-Moghedien-Tony

There's a simple way to solve this- go back and read Day 1 knowing that everyone else is a civvie and see which of these combinations makes the most sense.
I don't like this post, and it makes me all the more certain about locking G-Man as a wolf and then either Marmot or TSP as his teammate.

First, the bolded sections are contradictory. G-Man basically says he'll just admit defeat if Daisy is guilty, but then he says that solving the game should be a simple matter of reassessing what happened on day 1. If he really believes that, then there's no reason why he should be so ready to concede to a potential wolf!Daisy. The stuff he said afterward about how he would take such a defeat as a lesson going forward seems especially disingenuous, or at least unhelpful. My point is that it doesn't seem like G-Man is really trying to solve this game. He says the game should be easy to solve, but then says Daisy may basically be unsolvable. As well, his focus on day 1 seems arbitrary. Why is day 1 so much more important than all the phases that came after? If G-Man actually revisits this point and draws any helpful conclusions from day 1, I will be shocked.

Second, G-Man's first paragraph here is a terrible attempt at defense. He references some past game of his, knowing that I haven't seen that game and I'm not going to go find it either. Then he says that he's put in too much "effort" in this game to be guilty, but that's ridiculous for a few reasons, most of all being that he hasn't put in that much effort. I think we can all agree that G-Man has been a neutral presence in this game, at best. Even if what G-Man said were true, him "trying hard" is not evidence of him being innocent. I certainly don't remember G-Man applying that "scum wouldn't try so hard" argument in defense of the many high-effort players who were executed, like Alison and Tim.

I think we can all agree that G-Man is grasping at straws throughout this post, but that's not even my problem. We're at LyLo, so everyone will be feeling a little desperate. My problem is that he seems disingenuous. If G-Man were innocent, I don't think he would be so dismissive or subordinate toward a theoretical wolf!Daisy, and I think everything he said about how he'll basically "never let her trick him again!" was just posturing. At least, what he said about how we basically have to accept Daisy doesn't match up with what he later said about how the game should be easily solvable. As well, I don't think G-Man actually sees anything especially crucial about day 1, and I doubt he will prove me wrong about that.
Sit down, pour yourself a drink, and enjoy while I tell you the tale of a man named NOPE!

It’s almost like you’re trying to force me to accept an invitation to spar with you. Not going to happen. I pounce when I feel like it.

I cannot wait to see how others respond to your post.

The thing about Daisy? That’s for me, not everyone. If she deepwolfed through the scatterbrain stuff, then that’s not something I’m going to solve (ever) without something damning popping up in the thread. As for future games, let me explain it this way: if you exhibit certain qualities while a civ, a player often tries to exhibit those same qualities as a baddie. Over time, everyone develops a few tells. The best players realize it and change their game up. If you do X, Y, and Z that play into your civ tell as a baddie, you trade those chips in forever and that civ tell gets nullified. It can’t be trusted as a civ tell anymore because your opponents got burned. If you think Daisy is civ because of the scatterbrained stuff, that’s fine. It may be an inherent quality to her. If she deepwolfs through that, then you can’t really say “Daisy is her usual scatterbrained civ self,” because she used it (intentionally or not) to deepwolf to maximum effect. It may not be a true baddie meta tell, but it goes in the meta file as something that got her far as a baddie and can no longer be trusted as a civvie tell. That’s what I’m saying here- if she’s been deepwolfing through a smokescreen of jumbled thoughts, then I have to put that in my permanent file for her.

I’m not literally saying that I will or we all should just give up if she’s one of the baddies. I’m just saying that, if she’s a baddie, then that’s a nut that I can’t normally crack and I have nothing to say to that but “dang, good game; I’ll be watching you from now on, you trickster.”

And if you can’t see why re-reading Day 1 can be crucial to solving the game, then I’m not gonna tell you, because that means I might be one step ahead of you.

Nighty night!

Of course I'm trying to "spar" with you. It's LyLo, you're one of the likeliest scum candidates here, and I'm sussing you. If you were innocent, you would want to talk to me so we could try and figure things out. Your evasiveness in this post is a clear scumtell. This goes right back to what I said about you in my last post, which is that you're not really trying to solve the game. If you were really trying to help gamesolve, you would not spurn my attempt to solve you.

I understand what you were saying about Daisy. My problem wasn't that I didn't understand, my problem was that it was just another smokescreen to hide the fact that you're not really trying to solve the game. I think that you talked a big game about how easily we can solve the game to give yourself the appearance of being a helpful townie, but then you inadvertently walked that back by saying Daisy can't be solved because you're afraid to commit and you don't actually want to make things easy. All the extra, post-game stuff you're saying is off-topic, and comes across like a way for you to distract us so that you won't have to commit to a read on her.

Again, I understand why rereading day one is helpful. I'm not a moron. I asked why you pointed to day one as more important than all the phases that came after it, because I suspected that you didn't really have a good reason for saying that, and that you were only trying to give the illusion of being helpful. Again, it all comes back to you not really trying to solve the game. I wanted you to explain exactly what you hoped to glean from day one, or even better, for you to actually return with some kind of helpful finding. I was trying to see whether there was any substance behind what you said, or if it was just another smokescreen. Becoming evasive was the worst way you could have responded to that. I keep saying this, but it all comes back to you not really wanting to solve this game. Townies have no reason to become evasive or obstinate here, but wolves have every reason to behave that way.

I think these past couple of posts from you are so bad, they might as well be an admission of guilt. I want everyone else to say what they think about this conversation, too. I'm fully prepared to lock G-Man for today, but not before squeezing out every interaction and reaction I can from his posts.

@Marmot @DaisyCloud @TonyStarkPrime

@DaisyCloud come back, you're the only person I trust to gamesolve with here.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:42 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:46 pm @TonyStarkPrime and everyone else, did you all see the way Marmot tried to tie the votes yesterday? I couldn’t believe none of you talked about that last night.

The only person whose innocence I’m almost certain of is Daisy. At least one of either G-Man or TSP is deepwolfing, and then I think it’s clear from what Marmot tried to do yesterday that they are likely to be the last wolf.
I thought there was some validity to it, tie everything to see how the wolves force the tiebreaker, but then Kyle talked me out of it in the end.

What was the problem with the idea?

You're really asking what the problem with letting the wolves choose who goes to the Losers Bracket is?

First, you obfuscate reads on the surviving players by absolving them of responsibility for what happens. Second, you create an unsolvable WIFOM scenario where we have to guess whether the wolves would have chosen a townie, or one of their own to make it seem like they were a townie. That is in no way advantageous for the town because we end up having to flip whoever the wolves chose anyway.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:04 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:46 pm @TonyStarkPrime and everyone else, did you all see the way Marmot tried to tie the votes yesterday? I couldn’t believe none of you talked about that last night.

The only person whose innocence I’m almost certain of is Daisy. At least one of either G-Man or TSP is deepwolfing, and then I think it’s clear from what Marmot tried to do yesterday that they are likely to be the last wolf.
Sure, I could be deepwolfing with all my freaky vote analysis. I did a lot of scenario building during Corrupt!?, but that was only at the end to help push us over the finish line. There's no point in working that hard for most of the game in a game where baddies could just as well kick back and let the speed of the game amplify the number of bad civvie decisions. That's clearly what they have done and I can't begrudge them that. It's a simple plan that works for fast games like this.

If Daisy is a baddie, fair enough, she can win, but she never gets away with the scatterbrained stuff with me again, even if it is her natural state of play.

I'm relieved that HK and Tim were both civvie, because that at least tells me that I can still mind-meld with right thinking in my advanced age.

My apologies to Kyle. I guess there's only room for one indifferent baddie like you and Made in this game.

So now we're down to the following possibilities:

1) Made-Daisy-Marmot
2) Made-Daisy-Moghedien
3) Made-Daisy-Tony
4) Made-Marmot-Moghedien
5) Made-Marmot-Tony
6) Made-Moghedien-Tony

There's a simple way to solve this- go back and read Day 1 knowing that everyone else is a civvie and see which of these combinations makes the most sense.

I don't like this post, and it makes me all the more certain about locking G-Man as a wolf and then either Marmot or TSP as his teammate.

First, the bolded sections are contradictory. G-Man basically says he'll just admit defeat if Daisy is guilty, but then he says that solving the game should be a simple matter of reassessing what happened on day 1. If he really believes that, then there's no reason why he should be so ready to concede to a potential wolf!Daisy. The stuff he said afterward about how he would take such a defeat as a lesson going forward seems especially disingenuous, or at least unhelpful. My point is that it doesn't seem like G-Man is really trying to solve this game. He says the game should be easy to solve, but then says Daisy may basically be unsolvable. As well, his focus on day 1 seems arbitrary. Why is day 1 so much more important than all the phases that came after? If G-Man actually revisits this point and draws any helpful conclusions from day 1, I will be shocked.

Second, G-Man's first paragraph here is a terrible attempt at defense. He references some past game of his, knowing that I haven't seen that game and I'm not going to go find it either. Then he says that he's put in too much "effort" in this game to be guilty, but that's ridiculous for a few reasons, most of all being that he hasn't put in that much effort. I think we can all agree that G-Man has been a neutral presence in this game, at best. Even if what G-Man said were true, him "trying hard" is not evidence of him being innocent. I certainly don't remember G-Man applying that "scum wouldn't try so hard" argument in defense of the many high-effort players who were executed, like Alison and Tim.

I think we can all agree that G-Man is grasping at straws throughout this post, but that's not even my problem. We're at LyLo, so everyone will be feeling a little desperate. My problem is that he seems disingenuous. If G-Man were innocent, I don't think he would be so dismissive or subordinate toward a theoretical wolf!Daisy, and I think everything he said about how he'll basically "never let her trick him again!" was just posturing. At least, what he said about how we basically have to accept Daisy doesn't match up with what he later said about how the game should be easily solvable. As well, I don't think G-Man actually sees anything especially crucial about day 1, and I doubt he will prove me wrong about that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:54 pm tbh I haven't had the opportunity to scumread you but you're off to a strong start

Flattery will get you nowhere.

It’s interesting that you asked my reason for town reading Daisy, and then basically ended the conversation after I responded. Almost like you just wanted to feel me out for your own purposes, rather than actually trying to gamesolve with me. It’s a precarious position for you, because you know that if you agree Daisy is likeliest to be town, that narrows the POE down to you, G-Man and Marmot. From my perspective, anyway.

So with that said, do you agree with my read on Daisy? What do you think about Daisy?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:50 pm Mog why do you think Daisy is town

Didn’t she help bury Made? I would need to look back at night one, which I intend to do tonight, but I believe that’s what happened. Also, Daisy is one of the few people who hasn’t tried to buddy me this game. The fact that she’s the only person who’s scum read me in any capacity just reeks of other players having TMI.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:49 pm why would a wolf want to tie the votes there we literally know we sent two town

I don’t know exactly what their plan would be in that scenario, but since the wolves have control over ties, I think we can agree that wolves have more incentive to try and tie the votes than townies do. Why would a townie want to tie the votes there?

@TonyStarkPrime and everyone else, did you all see the way Marmot tried to tie the votes yesterday? I couldn’t believe none of you talked about that last night.

The only person whose innocence I’m almost certain of is Daisy. At least one of either G-Man or TSP is deepwolfing, and then I think it’s clear from what Marmot tried to do yesterday that they are likely to be the last wolf.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:28 pm everyone gets so up in arms when you use synonyms

Kyle, quit BSing me, seriously.

First of all, "I buried Made" is not synonymous with "I helped send him to the Loser's Bracket." You clearly insinuated that I said something different from what I actually said.

Second, your choice in words was clearly not accidental because you then went on to say I was putting a "spin" on things.

There was nothing wrong with what I said, but you keep rephrasing what I said with stronger words to make it seem like there might have been something wrong. This is a perfect example of why I think you're just trying to trip me up, or find a way out of going to the LB tonight.

You're trying to go left and then go right and thinking I'm going to get confused about where you went. It's not gonna happen. See if Marmot is still here, maybe she'll play these games with you.

Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:25 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:19 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:13 pmLike, you can backtrack now, but this post clearly reads like you're searching for something to trip me up with. All I said was that I voted to send Made to the Losers Bracket and you didn't, which is a simple fact. You changed the phrasing around to make it sound like something that could be argued.
you posted much earlier something like "well i helped bury made, which is more than you can say" to HK, implying personal responsibility, which was not the case, that's what this whole line of questioning was about. i was trying to determine whether you were presently trying to paint your passive vote for made as an active condemnation. that's why i asked you in the present instead of hunting down the iso compilation post, because i was questioning the spin.
The bolded is exactly what I'm talking about that. You're changing my words to make it seem like I said something different from what I actually said. This is what I said:

Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:50 pm @Moghedien what's the most townie thing you've done?
I'm not sure exactly how you would qualify this, but I helped send Made to the Losers Bracket. That's more than you or Kyle can say.
All I said was that I helped send him to the Losers Bracket. I said I "buried" him, or took responsibility for anything that happened after he went to the Losers Bracket. This is why I told you to refer back to my posts, because that way you would be forced to go by what I really said rather than your exaggerated versions of what I said.

Bold of you to try and accuse me of spinning things when you're clearly the one doing that here.

Sorry, this is supposed to read, 'I never said I "buried" him'

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:19 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:13 pmLike, you can backtrack now, but this post clearly reads like you're searching for something to trip me up with. All I said was that I voted to send Made to the Losers Bracket and you didn't, which is a simple fact. You changed the phrasing around to make it sound like something that could be argued.
you posted much earlier something like "well i helped bury made, which is more than you can say" to HK, implying personal responsibility, which was not the case, that's what this whole line of questioning was about. i was trying to determine whether you were presently trying to paint your passive vote for made as an active condemnation. that's why i asked you in the present instead of hunting down the iso compilation post, because i was questioning the spin.

The bolded is exactly what I'm talking about that. You're changing my words to make it seem like I said something different from what I actually said. This is what I said:

Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:50 pm @Moghedien what's the most townie thing you've done?
I'm not sure exactly how you would qualify this, but I helped send Made to the Losers Bracket. That's more than you or Kyle can say.

All I said was that I helped send him to the Losers Bracket. I said I "buried" him, or took responsibility for anything that happened after he went to the Losers Bracket. This is why I told you to refer back to my posts, because that way you would be forced to go by what I really said rather than your exaggerated versions of what I said.

Bold of you to try and accuse me of spinning things when you're clearly the one doing that here.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:13 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:03 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:00 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:56 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:55 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:52 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:49 pm @Moghedien can you elucidate on your progression on made
Okay fine, I'll answer this one last thing, and then I really do have to go.

What do you mean? I don't think I had any "progress" on Made. I think I just said I was sending him because he was by far the most vocal about wanting to go to the Losers Bracket. I explained all my votes that day, if you care to go and look.
so you voted for him because he said he wanted to go?
Kyle, please just go look at my posts from that day and stop wasting my time, lol.

I'll be back later.
sorry, just trying to clarify your claim that you helped take down a mafia member. you seem frustrated and i'm sorry if i caused any of that. i'm legit just trying to do my part here before i die again for no reason. i love you and i hope you're having a nice day.
Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean. I just think you're a wolf who keeps trying to trip me up by asking petty or silly questions, and I'm trying to make myself clear that it's not going to work. No hard feelings.
well that's unfortunately not the case. and even if you really think it is, there's 3 other people in this room here to be solved including yourself.

I don't see what that has to do with this. In any event, they'll have to be solved later, because for the last time, I absolutely have to go for awhile.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:00 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:56 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:55 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:52 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:49 pm @Moghedien can you elucidate on your progression on made
Okay fine, I'll answer this one last thing, and then I really do have to go.

What do you mean? I don't think I had any "progress" on Made. I think I just said I was sending him because he was by far the most vocal about wanting to go to the Losers Bracket. I explained all my votes that day, if you care to go and look.
so you voted for him because he said he wanted to go?
Kyle, please just go look at my posts from that day and stop wasting my time, lol.

I'll be back later.
sorry, just trying to clarify your claim that you helped take down a mafia member. you seem frustrated and i'm sorry if i caused any of that. i'm legit just trying to do my part here before i die again for no reason. i love you and i hope you're having a nice day.

Like, you can backtrack now, but this post clearly reads like you're searching for something to trip me up with. All I said was that I voted to send Made to the Losers Bracket and you didn't, which is a simple fact. You changed the phrasing around to make it sound like something that could be argued.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:03 pm but for future reference i'm never going to look through someone's old posts when they're literally right there to question who does that. i can read old posts any time i want, i can only directly question people when they're online

You asked me about my "progression" on Made. I told you there wasn't really a "progression," and that I think I voted for him because he was the loudest about wanting to go. You then asked if I voted him because he wanted to go, which is what I had just said. If you were that curious about what happened, or if you really thought there was something to be found there, you would just go look at the posts for yourself. I'm almost certain you're a wolf, and it comes across to me like you're just searching for some way to weasel out of the Loser's Bracket. I'm not upset about it, I'm just trying to be clear with you. I don't mean to cause any hard feelings.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:00 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:56 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:55 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:52 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:49 pm @Moghedien can you elucidate on your progression on made
Okay fine, I'll answer this one last thing, and then I really do have to go.

What do you mean? I don't think I had any "progress" on Made. I think I just said I was sending him because he was by far the most vocal about wanting to go to the Losers Bracket. I explained all my votes that day, if you care to go and look.
so you voted for him because he said he wanted to go?
Kyle, please just go look at my posts from that day and stop wasting my time, lol.

I'll be back later.
sorry, just trying to clarify your claim that you helped take down a mafia member. you seem frustrated and i'm sorry if i caused any of that. i'm legit just trying to do my part here before i die again for no reason. i love you and i hope you're having a nice day.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean. I just think you're a wolf who keeps trying to trip me up by asking petty or silly questions, and I'm trying to make myself clear that it's not going to work. No hard feelings.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:55 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:52 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:49 pm @Moghedien can you elucidate on your progression on made
Okay fine, I'll answer this one last thing, and then I really do have to go.

What do you mean? I don't think I had any "progress" on Made. I think I just said I was sending him because he was by far the most vocal about wanting to go to the Losers Bracket. I explained all my votes that day, if you care to go and look.
so you voted for him because he said he wanted to go?

Kyle, please just go look at my posts from that day and stop wasting my time, lol.

I'll be back later.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:49 pm @Moghedien can you elucidate on your progression on made

Okay fine, I'll answer this one last thing, and then I really do have to go.

What do you mean? I don't think I had any "progress" on Made. I think I just said I was sending him because he was by far the most vocal about wanting to go to the Losers Bracket. I explained all my votes that day, if you care to go and look.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:30 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:27 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:25 pm Can we just all be eliminated today?
same thing I asked Mog, what's the towniest thing you've done this game?

I promoted my own drop to the loser's bracket, although you might disagree on that one.

I also came to the conclusion that Alison and TSP were likely wolves based on N1 activity, but obviously that's half-wrong at this point.

Did you answer this question already? I'm not caught up yet.
I haven't answered it yet b/c the answer is "I haven't done anything particularly townie this game". I've made bad pushes, I've town read people who appear to be wolves at this point (like Tim), I pushed for Alisons chop from like P1D1, and overall I've been "here" but not doing a lot of work solving.

Which is interesting to me b/c like I'm getting town read by a lot of people for that, which leads me to think perhaps the people town reading me are doing so b/c they have TMI and not because I'm a paragon of townieness

As I recall, the basis for the town read on you is Made's interactions toward you, not really anything you did by yourself.

I think it should be clear that you and Kyle have both been called down by the Losers Bracket, and it would be remiss of us not to send you both. I think your hesitation is suspicious. If you're as well-intentioned as you say, then you should be using this time to ask Marmot and I what we think you should do tonight, not whether we think you should even go.

Anyway, I made sure to be here early so I could set things right, but now I have to leave for awhile. I will be back later to pull those incriminating posts about TSP that I referenced earlier.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:30 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:27 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:25 pm Can we just all be eliminated today?
same thing I asked Mog, what's the towniest thing you've done this game?

I promoted my own drop to the loser's bracket, although you might disagree on that one.

I also came to the conclusion that Alison and TSP were likely wolves based on N1 activity, but obviously that's half-wrong at this point.

Did you answer this question already? I'm not caught up yet.

Asking to be sent to the LB is objectively not a "townie" thing, because that's what Made did.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:25 pm @Moghedien are you sending me to LB to chop wolves or to be chopped as a wolf?

I already said I'm town reading you, so I'm not really sending you to be "chopped as a wolf." I'm sending you because you're a person of interest and LB needs to be given the chance to try and resolve you, whether that means just talking to you or deciding to flip you. Why do you ask?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:12 pm how long did it take to put that together and why was it important for you to do so?

Because you said this:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:39 pm i think only tsp legitimately mentioned thinking i'm mafia for any reason, and TSP just didn't bother to view my votes in context. but everyone else just quoted his post and said "wow true! wow!" that's not what suspicion looks like lol.

You're becoming kind of petty now and clearly just trying to run me in circles. You're locked in for me, I'm not taking my vote off you. Plead your case to the people in Losers Bracket, not to me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:39 pm i think only tsp legitimately mentioned thinking i'm mafia for any reason, and TSP just didn't bother to view my votes in context. but everyone else just quoted his post and said "wow true! wow!" that's not what suspicion looks like lol.

Kyle, you have been legitimately scum read by a lot of people.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:52 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:43 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine
[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
[VOTE: Made] aubergine
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

I will be posting no further day 1 and merely observing you all and modifying my votes from this platform. My goal is to put 2 wolves in the night bracket.
I’m wasting a post here for this but I just want to ask.
Why Made and Long Con?
Gavial is wolfing with Kyle

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:51 pm Something irks me about Kyle's ISO. There are quotes and multi-quotes, but not many of them are interactions. He comments about a lot of things without getting in the middle of much.

Kyle has worked up his post count, so congrats- participation trophy earned- but there's little meat present. He seems to be doing enough and present enough to get by in the minds of others, but about 80% of it seems to serve as a way to fly under the radar. I had him a a -2 on my score thingy. He's no closer to neutral after reading his ISO.

What do you folks think of a possible Made-Tony-Kyle team? I think Tony might be the one I'm most concerned about in the LB at the moment just because he's put up a strong poker face thus far.

@hollowkat What are you seeing in Falcon's ISO that overrides the proposed derp-clear?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:43 pm Kyle's ISO is not what I'd call towny

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:23 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:12 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:11 pm Going through Made's ISO

Made wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:53 pm This might actually be my game to shine, i'm, as the kids like to say, ~~paranoid~~ so I will not be voting my suses with rektless abandon

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine cuz she's scary
[VOTE: Tim] aubergine he's making sense
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine votes bottom half is a copout
[VOTE: TSP] aubergine votes seem arbitrary, but like in an intentional way. also he's scary
All 4 of these players are still alive from his Day 1 votes lol. Alison and TSP are both reasonable Made teammates and Made described both of them as "scary".

Spoiler: show

I desperately need you to be town marmot b/c I'm melding with everything you're saying and I fear the pocket
See, with this different game setup, I think we need to start thinking about who we're willing to get tricked by, rather than letting our fears of being tricked hold us back. If we're afraid of being tricked by someone, vote for them. If you feel that you can shrug off being fooled by a player based on the quality of their content, don't vote for them.

Right now, I am fully prepared to shake both Tim's hand and HK's hand and not begrudge being tricked by them if they are baddies. I'm almost there with Marmot, but I need to read his ISO again to really cross that line. I just don't have time to read an ISO at the moment.

If we're maximizing the chop potential without considering who is left after the chop, then yes, Wilgy makes sense to send to the LB. Who else is chop-worthy? For me, it's also Kyle right now. I can't determine which of Falcon or Moghedien I'd rather chop. There's the Falcon derp-clear and there's HK's arguments in favor of Moghedien's efforts despite their low post count. It all boils down to whether we choose to think there are two baddies here, two baddies in the LB, or one in each.

If we think there are two baddies here, then we need to trust that the LB folks have been reading along and will respect our reads and not just do whatever they like and ignore our indirect input.

If we think there are two baddies in the LB, then we need to send some trustworthy folk down to try to persuade everyone in there right now to chop two of their own.

If we think it's one and one, then we need a blend. I think it's improbable but not impossible that both remaining baddies are in the LB, so I tend to favor the 1-and-1 mindset. If it's two still here in the WB, then we need to be daring this day.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:47 am how come reading isos is so hard.

falcon or wilgy or Alison. or 2 of them. idk. we could have a deep wolf down here or we could have 1 still in bracket1.

in no particular order my list:

my towns: tim, gman, hk, Marmot

scums: falcon, wilgy, Kyle, Alison

idk: Tony, Mog

if we lynch any in my scum brackets and they flip town and I'm not lynched I'm looking at Tony and mog.

tim could be deep wolf. he is fully capable. but I don't think so.

tony could be frozen/anti-spew mode.

if on the off chance Alison gets lynched and flips town I'm throwing out all my notes and making new ones, obviously.

I'm honestly trying to see a townie mindset to both her posts, actions, and lack of actions. I don't see it. and it looks strongly like her teammates tried to save her. or I forgot how to count and read.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:01 pm if three town flips then i think kyle and tim set in stone for tomorrow and probably no way out. hopefully one of them's a wolf or we lose when I get chopped in f5

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:50 pm @Moghedien what's the most townie thing you've done?

I'm not sure exactly how you would qualify this, but I helped send Made to the Losers Bracket. That's more than you or Kyle can say.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:43 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:27 pm I feel bad that I couldn't come back before end of phase yesterday, but I'm going to rectify that mistake today by taking charge of things as best I can. For starters, I actually read the entire night phase this time.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:15 pm send HK and Kyle down tomorrow

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:04 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:01 pm When you die at the end of the day if you flip town I will certainly never make it to end game and I'm fine with that...but if you are gonna flip town you should be EXTREMELY interested in taking a wolf with you. If you are right about me or not is irrelevant for now...pick someone else to go with you...I will do my best to send them along.
I think it's extremely clear that I think you're a wolf and I'm trying to take you with me.

Hollowkatt is my next in line if you want to know that. Tentatively I'd say the stuff about being pocketed by Marmot signals that Marmot is town being pocketed by wolf HK (and intentionally placed in the same category as Tim to imply they're both town together) because I struggle to believe that HK is swayed that hard by a simple mind meld.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:47 ammy towns: tim, gman, hk, Marmot

scums: falcon, wilgy, Kyle, Alison

idk: Tony, Mog
[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

I think these are clearly the two we should send to the lower bracket today. I'm actually town reading Katt despite some of the night posters scum reading her, but I agree with what seems to be a nearly unanimous scum read on Kyle. I believe the last two wolves are among Kyle, TSP and Tim. Anything I say about Tim would just be beating Alison's dead horse at this point, but I have some quotes saved that I think incriminate TSP. I'll get into those a little later.
if I'm sent down I'm 100% parking on Tim and TSP

Good to hear, since those are my scum reads as well. What do you think about Kyle?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:34 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:33 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:31 pm mog are you under the impression that other people scum read me? do you personally scum read me?
What is this post?

It's not an impression. People are scum reading you. You have been requested by name for the Losers Bracket, and it's not to make use of your excellent scumhunting skills.

Yes I'm scum reading you; I said exactly that in the post you quoted.
why do you particularly scumread me? without referencing their posts

Why wouldn't I reference their posts?

The people who scum read you are reputed to be good scumhunters, so I use their reads to help inform my own. I'm not going to stop doing that, but I will explain some of my other reasons for scum reading you.

First, you avoided voting for Made on d1:

The circumstances around this were particularly suspicious, as G-Man explained here:

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:22 pm4) Made was in a 4-way tie for 5th place on Day 1. If he had teammates on his train, they could have dropped their votes to Kyle or Marmot to move Made out of the LB. I could have moved my vote to Marmot only, as I had already voted for Kyle. Marmot could not have moved his vote to switch Made out, as he had already voted for himself and Kyle. Moghedien could have switched their vote to either Kyle or Marmot but did not.

5) Made could have switched a vote or even added a vote to Kyle in order to make it a five-way tie and let the mafia break the tie. This did not happen. I find this curious.

Finally, the POE is simply heading in your direction. I've already explained why I'm town reading Marmot and Katt, and obviously I know I'm town. Seeing as how the Losers Bracket only flipped townies last night, I think it's most likely that there's only one wolf there, which makes you the other wolf. Or maybe there's really no wolves there, but I don't think that's the case. Either way, I think all signs point to you.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:31 pm mog are you under the impression that other people scum read me? do you personally scum read me?

What is this post?

It's not an impression. People are scum reading you. You have been requested by name for the Losers Bracket, and it's not to make use of your excellent scumhunting skills.

Yes I'm scum reading you; I said exactly that in the post you quoted.

I feel bad that I couldn't come back before end of phase yesterday, but I'm going to rectify that mistake today by taking charge of things as best I can. For starters, I actually read the entire night phase this time.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:15 pm send HK and Kyle down tomorrow

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:04 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:01 pm When you die at the end of the day if you flip town I will certainly never make it to end game and I'm fine with that...but if you are gonna flip town you should be EXTREMELY interested in taking a wolf with you. If you are right about me or not is irrelevant for now...pick someone else to go with you...I will do my best to send them along.
I think it's extremely clear that I think you're a wolf and I'm trying to take you with me.

Hollowkatt is my next in line if you want to know that. Tentatively I'd say the stuff about being pocketed by Marmot signals that Marmot is town being pocketed by wolf HK (and intentionally placed in the same category as Tim to imply they're both town together) because I struggle to believe that HK is swayed that hard by a simple mind meld.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:47 ammy towns: tim, gman, hk, Marmot

scums: falcon, wilgy, Kyle, Alison

idk: Tony, Mog

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

I think these are clearly the two we should send to the lower bracket today. I'm actually town reading Katt despite some of the night posters scum reading her, but I agree with what seems to be a nearly unanimous scum read on Kyle. I believe the last two wolves are among Kyle, TSP and Tim. Anything I say about Tim would just be beating Alison's dead horse at this point, but I have some quotes saved that I think incriminate TSP. I'll get into those a little later.

@G-Man @Marmot do you two still want to go to the Loser’s Bracket?

Someone should iso Falco next, since they were Gavial’s other town read. I’m going to bed, but I’ll be back well before EOD.

I’m taking a break from reading the Losers Bracket, since it sort of feels like a separate game at this point, and I iso’d Made instead.

I’m glad I did, because I learned that Made had almost no interactions with anyone currently in the Winners bracket except for Marmot. I didn’t count, but Made interacted with Marmot a lot, maybe more times than he interacted anyone else. That’s interesting in light of the conversation I quoted above.

There’s a lot to be said, but I’ll start with this: Made tried to direct suspicion toward Marmot several times, and in his final posts, basically said it should have been Marmot instead of him. That makes me town read Marmot, for a few different reasons.

First, Marmot and Made had very incongruous behavior toward each other. Marmot was amicable toward Made, while Made was suspicious of Marmot. I don’t see any sense of strategy or coordination between them. If they were teammates, then they weren’t very good at it, because they went in opposite directions.

Second, why would Made use his dying breath to curse Marmot if they were teammates, especially when the mafia should want to play conservatively after losing Made? This couldn’t have been an attempt at bussing, because there was no way for Marmot to die before Made at that point.

Finally, Gavial proved that he had a good handle on this game with the way he went after Made, so his town read on Marmot holds some sway with me.

The person in our bracket who we learn the most about from Made’s flip is Marmot, so I’m very curious to hear what you all have to say about them. I think we can safely treat Katt and Marmot as our town core today. Now we just need them to help us hunt more, lol.

Why is it so quiet?

@DrWilgy @falcon45ca @G-Man @hollowkatt @Kylemii @Marmot

Come out and play!

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:27 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:25 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:19 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:12 pm I think anyone wanting to be in the second bracket is sus af
okay wait expand on this
makes sense to me anyways. bracket 2 is where the actual chopping happens. If you want to be in there getting your hands dirty, instead of sending all the wolfy people there to fight amongst themselves maybe you have an agenda
True, but anyone in the loser's bracket has a 50% chance of being yeeted, and I imagine it'll just be pure chaos. I get wanting to stay in the winner's bracket but the wolves have more incentive to stay there than to drop down.

This conversation between Marmot and Katt is very interesting, since Made was one of the loudest about volunteering for the losers bracket and he was guilty. Katt may have been distancing themselves from Made, but given the circumstances I think it’s likelier that Katt is simply innocent. I’m town reading Katt for this.

Marmot may be seen as indirectly defending Made here. The only thing that makes me hesitate to condemn Marmot for this is that I believe Marmot also volunteered for the losers bracket, albeit less loudly than Made. It may be that Marmot is innocent, and they argued this point because they knew it didn’t apply to them. As well, I doubt two of the three wolves would volunteer themselves for the losers bracket. I just don’t see what they would gain from that.

tl;dr: Katt looks great here. Marmot was wrong, but it’s hard for me to say whether they look bad for it.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:55 pm Losers Bracket

Alison
Mac
Tim
Daisy
Gavial
Made
Poison
Tsp

My for sure votes:
Mac and Alison for self resolve reasons
Tim because gut and I don’t want them to late game.

Never voting TSP, hard town.
Leaving Made/Daisy/Poison as my PoE for this elimination.
Leaning Poison, not confident in either 3 though.

I’m hoping @Marmot and @falcon45ca can both lead town in the Winners Bracket and make sure the scum are unable to lead it.

I’m not caught up on what happened overnight yet, but I’m linking this post since Gavial’s read on Marmot is relevant to what I’m talking about now.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:15 pm @TonyStarkPrime
@Moghedien

If you don’t want scum to dominate thread you Unvote Daisy.

What do you mean? I just woke up, I’m about to start my own game on another website, and I’m not sure when this phase ends. I’ll come back and catch up here after I’ve sorted things out on the other site, but if we’re in a hurry, you should tell why now.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:42 am
Moghedien wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:15 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:03 am Good evening. I see we have some activity. Will start reading in an hour.
Are you by any chance the same Poison from NF/Worstgen?
I am Poison from WG and on NF I have a different UN but recently I did play Ariess' game! hello

Wow, I really didn't expect to see you here.

I've actually been wanting to talk to you about something regarding NF, but I wasn't sure how since we never really met before. Are you in the Syndicate Discord server? I could DM you about it over Discord, if you're okay with that.

I just realized that I messed up one of the quotes in my long post, so here's what I was trying to say:

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:28 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:23 am Oh and the fact that you think me calling Daisy an outed wolf is me being wolf trying to fish for a misexe rather than a reaction test is also scummy because you've been consistently pushing the idea that Alison calls people outed wolf as a reaction test early in the game for a while now.
Yeah I'm not seeing it as a reaction test so much as a possible "guilt by association" play on Mac. Even for you getting Mac shoved over won't be easy, so having the "here's his team" associative reads adds useful heft. I mean you could be right about Daisy, but knowing you are wrong about me is not a point in your favor.

It seems like your suspicion toward Alison boils down to an "omgus" because she scum read you. Saying "you scum read me, and you were wrong, and you're never wrong so you must be mafia!" is just a roundabout way of omgussing. As to the DaisyCloud part of your conversation, I don't think you really addressed Alison's point about Daisycloud.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:16 am Welcome to the town core Moghedien.

I'm about to go to bed, so if you need anything from me in the next 8-10 hours, now would be the time to ask.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:03 am Good evening. I see we have some activity. Will start reading in an hour.

Are you by any chance the same Poison from NF/Worstgen?

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