The Syndicate

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:58 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:56 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:54 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:47 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:32 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 am I thought this too but then I also feel like what's the point of a mafia publicly trying to out roles when they could keep that info to themselves while having town feel more relaxed to have a more surprise soup? it almost read as town as much as I hated it

Because it makes us all say "oh, alexa is the town role clop, let's clear her and move on with the game."

she was already pocketing me and belzy early what's the point

Let’s say she’s mafia.
Okay let’s say she didn’t out it.
Suddenly in the night you both get mysterious soup killed meanwhile she’s still alive. People are gonna wonder why the outed role cop is alive but you both died.

That’s no longer a problem now that ur role is outed.

thank you for the perspective I see your skepticism and I'm not beyond seeing alexa as a deep wolf but if she's maf then did she lie about getting shot n2? and what about LP giving her vest?

Yea I think she lied to look clear. Lp giving her a vest I think is true regardless of their alignment.

so maf didn't shoot and then alexa claimed she was shot? that would be playing the long con lol

Shooting is mandatory if no soup.

Okay I've calmed down. Illario is likely 3P with a malicious wincon because whatever he said of his wincon didn't make sense/seemed wildly convenient. So there's no use in me being upset, if he actually has the wincon he claims he has then he deserves to lose anyway.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:20 am U wanna know how to read alexa?

As mafia, she postures
As town, she solves and leads and Carries most of the time

This game shes just been posturing, the entire game. Calls people like 112, c4, seanzie town when it’s convenient but does nothing to save them when they’re in danger. Calls people like mac and tsp a wolf, but never meaningfully votes them or pushes them. Her strongest push on mac came yesterday when the yeet was already locked into tsp, she never pushed him when he was actually vulnerable despite calling him scum lots

Please don't try to read me again lol.



I don't always "carry" but I am literally responsible for killing a wolf last night so WTF. I don't think I've done anything that wrong this game

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:18 am Oh and tsp the slot she called wolfy d2 for its entirety she didn’t even out, tsp survived over guillo over 1 vote, alexa spent all game town defending guillo and she had the power to vote her sr (tsp) to kill him and save guillo eod d2

She didnt

I was trying to defend Guillo EOD, I didn't realize killing him would save Guillo, the polls were chaotic AF, I obviously would've if I could've

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:14 am Betsy has been the most obv town slot in the game, they were under no risk and there was no reason to out their role


UNLESS this was some crazy town play by Alexa where she outed fake roles so mafia gets the wrong soup info but judging by porcha and Betsy reaction to it I don’t think that’s the case

I like how you product this out of thin air today but said nothing yesterday, you are so fucking clearly operating under an agenda dude and if not then I don't even know what to say to you



I outed it because the slots were getting heat and I wanted to protect them, it was obviously impulsive/not smart but your narrative of me doing that as scum makes no sense. You can die tomorrow (or hopefully tonight from sabie)

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:13 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:11 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:10 am I already explained everything about her

She’s just a wolf

Why’d she clear Belzy and Porscha?

She didn’t, she outed their roles to be soup killed

There was no reason for her to even role cop Betsy if she’s town, alexa was heavily townreading the slot on d2, why would she rc that slot if she trs them? Betsy was in no pressure to be voted out yesterday either because tsp was red checked so again it makes no sense for her to out the roles. I spent an hour trying to get her to hc her role and she insisted it’s a bad idea but then outta the blue she just decides to claim her own role AND two others? Like cmon man

That doesn't make sense. For one I rolecopped Porscha and not Belzy, there was not 100% proof that Porscha was lock clear, Belzy just claimed they had mechanical information on Porscha. There were 3 V flips and I realized I was wrong in some of my reads, so if I could confidently clear them, that felt useful to me.


What TF is my scum motive in that last part? I clearly did it impulsively dude.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:02 pm @alexa why did you rolecop belzy?

I didn't rolecop Belzy. I rolecopped Porscha

because it would clear (or condemn) 2 people if I got information there. And after all the villager flips, I reset a lot of my reads and that felt like something extremely useful

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:57 pm I think I would've liked if Paopan was resolved last night. I think DrWilgy probably should be resplved too. Sloonei is more dependent on what alexa flips.

Spoiler Alert: It will be town




I'm really frustrated with illario for how he's acting toward me and kind of hurt that he doesn't think I can play this way as town, but I'm doing my best to pull myself together regardless. Please kill him tomorrow, do not reconsider on this regard. He is probably real 3P but his play is losing us the game/detrimental to town and he's clearly scumsiding fairly hard, i think he's lying about his wincon because v!him or him playing like a villager would NEVER, EVER scumread me him


Read the way he turns on his read on me from yesterday coming into today, it doesn't make sense


He could just be a wolf but his play would be suicidal then

If I'm a wolf and he's not lying then he just dies today so you don't need to consider that scenario, but I promise you I'm town and we might be completely fucked due to 3P

I'm going to wait until morning/I'm less tired to respond to you because I'm getting upset and I'm going to end up saying something to you that I regret otherwise.




Anne is definitely right that forum mafia is not good for me mentally and I need to stop lol.

I literally only read one recent post where you said you're 3p other than one I got tagged In with you tunneling me



But honestly I've lost all respect for you Waza it this is how you're acting toward me this game and you're not even town

I won't vote anywhere else until illario dies, he's clearly hard scumsiding today

Oh did illario claim 3P? Yeah he's scum then anyway so absolutely zero reason to keep him alive, especially when he's hard scum siding by the way he's pushing on me when I literally helped killed a wolf last night, got poisoned by wolves and am dying EOD, and got shot last night

KEEPING 3P ALIVE LOST LAST YEARS gOC, KILL HIM NOW THEN VIG pAOPAN

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:55 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:52 pm I wasn't a hundred percent sure if I could trust you and belzy.

Alexa and Belzy have been two of the most confirmed town players in the game for a while now. Where did this distrust stem from? Are you aware of the mechanical information around them?

I don't know I just have been wrong a few times this game and wanted to proceed with caution.

yeah but you were literally like

"okay cool i am in a chat with people and have support now"

so that was like the DEFINITION OF CAUTION? you had us both supporting the paopan shot and talking about it????

lmao so like wth

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:55 pm i don't get why you don't just say that, then? you said you were shooting pao, why not just say you're not sure if you want to shoot that night or not if you are wary of us? you said you trusted us both at one point


and me/belzy are obviously tired since i am clearing her

tied* together

but also i am Tired

@Belzy how do you feel ab this

i don't get why you don't just say that, then? you said you were shooting pao, why not just say you're not sure if you want to shoot that night or not if you are wary of us? you said you trusted us both at one point


and me/belzy are obviously tired since i am clearing her

[VOTE: SABIE12] aubergine


ok maybe this is stupid but this feels increasingly wtf to me

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:07 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:42 pm I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:01 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:51 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:46 pm Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

yes but you talked about your worry over being RBed in the hood and you were still gonna shoot? BC V you should be very aware you could be souped before getting your next vig in? so you still waiting makes no sense to me whatsoever

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:21 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:07 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:42 pm I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.

Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:01 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:51 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:46 pm Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

Why would a roleblock deter you from attempting to shoot?

IDK. Sabie honestly was being extremely sketchy in this regard and it makes me nervous about her alignment. Like a huge convo in the neighborhood was "OK we are killing Mac/Paopan, let's shoot one then Sabie kills the other"

and she agrees etc etc etc


so her suddenly backtracking on that/holstering feels sketchy as fuck to me

wtf ilario are you not seeing paopan's last posts as scummy?

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:41 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:19 pm OK, did Sabie or Alexa try to push anyone else before the hydra was brought up to be shot?

This is an important question

we all wanted Mac right away (I think I mentioned him first), and discussed Paopan too, but decided Sabie should shoot Paopan. which they didn't for some reason

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:36 pm Falcon wasn’t targeted for NK and mr was despite falcon being the stronger role since he is a cop

Mr kill was likely a doc dodge which means town has protective and paopan is the only protective claim

what no

LinearPoint also claimed protective


also cop roles here aren't standard/have limited shots/there could be multiple reasons?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:24 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:22 pm In a town!Paopan world, is it better for them to claim and get soup killed while we get to lynch someone else today rather than just get lynched today?

This argument can be expanded to every player who has not yet claimed.

Yep, but how many have an interesting claim like Paopan? I know someone claiming VT won't help at all.

eh
i wouldn't call protective "interesting," it's a standard claim regardless of alignment
if they claimed to save someone or claimed something verifiable that'd be different

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:25 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:23 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:22 pm In a town!Paopan world, is it better for them to claim and get soup killed while we get to lynch someone else today rather than just get lynched today?

eh, idk if that's really good. all they've claimed so far is protective which i don't think is precise enough to be souped if they're town. it's honestly better for them to just towntell and not get yeeted if they're town

Yeah, but what if we force them to be more precise? That's definitely gonna get them souped but will open up space for us to lynch somewhere else if their claim is convincing enough.

I think Sloonei has a point in #9378 tbh

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:20 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:20 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:17 pm Soup kill is really limiting my options

i don't see why

if your thought process is "why vote this person if mafia may resolve them by soup if they're a villager" then it's like, they're dead anyway if maf knows their exact role and just helps maf get closer to parity if V. vote scummy people regardless of claims imo

Perhaps Creature is faking inner conflict to appear town.

that's a possibility i'm worried about

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:22 pm In a town!Paopan world, is it better for them to claim and get soup killed while we get to lynch someone else today rather than just get lynched today?

eh, idk if that's really good. all they've claimed so far is protective which i don't think is precise enough to be souped if they're town. it's honestly better for them to just towntell and not get yeeted if they're town

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:17 pm Soup kill is really limiting my options

i don't see why

if your thought process is "why vote this person if mafia may resolve them by soup if they're a villager" then it's like, they're dead anyway if maf knows their exact role and just helps maf get closer to parity if V. vote scummy people regardless of claims imo

yeah tbh i don't really care about the claim much with 0 confirmation. on LP's end at least i have confirmation

also Pao didn't bus if partnered

i was rring the last eod when 4 people got eliminated when i was talking in our chat about who to kill in mac/pao


Pao defended TSP a lot

TSP wasn't a goon?

idk what paopan is saying

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:04 pm Legit derp clear?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

i am close to clear anyway so doesn't matter

like i assumed soup chef got assigned to someone the same way roles did lmao

i assumed "Soup Chef" was an inherent part of a mafia role




lolme

Designate one team member as the Soup Chef, this member cannot use any of their role abilities (note that a goon, if one exists, can only perform a soup kill if they are the last remaining team Mafia member)




nvm Creature is right

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:00 pm

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:59 pm Also, it would also not make sense to me to bus TSP at this point.

His role description makes him the perfect choice to be the chef.

So yeah, I highly doubt there was going to be a soup kill at this stage of the game.

Mafia goon can't do the soup kill unless there are only goons left

er

what does it mean "do the soup kill"?

apparently Sloonei is the only ISO i never opened

falcon's ISO is glitching for me for some reason so i can't find it but i could've sworn

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:47 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:45 pm Welp guess that was a disappointing night

Nah, I think it was awesome.


We are ever closer to town victory. Chin up, we've got a solvable POE

why did you choose to shoot mac? iirc you were saying he was more likely town by EOD

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:42 pm I don't know who's shot went thru, but there ya have it

ours was untrackable/unroleblockable afaik so it definitely went through


but lol maybe we all just shot him

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:41 pm Well, I'm somewhat wary of the soup, but fuggit




I shot P &G

er

me/sabie/Belzy shot P&G collectively

i'd think scum would pick at least one person unexpected to throw people off. at least, i would if i picked a team

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:34 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:33 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:31 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:30 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:25 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:24 pm I'm really hesitant to 3p hunt while wolves are alive because we have three confirmed wolves alive and the 3p is unconfirmed. I'd rather we lynch all the wolves and if game doesn't end then we can focus on 3p hunting.

While true, Neeko will point out the Slavers in Fallout Mafia won if either faction won and overrode that faction winning.
So Town cannot win if all mafia die and Vortis is alive if Vortis is actually the source of the Poisoning.

the poison is the only element of vortis that makes any sense iyam

much more likely scum just has a poison shot they used on me since they tried to hit me with factional last night and it didn't work

Honestly I thought it was a walrus event prize

not walrus

maybe the poem thing

Oh walrus was you three?

yes

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:31 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:30 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:25 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:24 pm I'm really hesitant to 3p hunt while wolves are alive because we have three confirmed wolves alive and the 3p is unconfirmed. I'd rather we lynch all the wolves and if game doesn't end then we can focus on 3p hunting.

While true, Neeko will point out the Slavers in Fallout Mafia won if either faction won and overrode that faction winning.
So Town cannot win if all mafia die and Vortis is alive if Vortis is actually the source of the Poisoning.

the poison is the only element of vortis that makes any sense iyam

much more likely scum just has a poison shot they used on me since they tried to hit me with factional last night and it didn't work

Honestly I thought it was a walrus event prize

not walrus

maybe the poem thing

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:25 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:24 pm I'm really hesitant to 3p hunt while wolves are alive because we have three confirmed wolves alive and the 3p is unconfirmed. I'd rather we lynch all the wolves and if game doesn't end then we can focus on 3p hunting.

While true, Neeko will point out the Slavers in Fallout Mafia won if either faction won and overrode that faction winning.
So Town cannot win if all mafia die and Vortis is alive if Vortis is actually the source of the Poisoning.

the poison is the only element of vortis that makes any sense iyam

much more likely scum just has a poison shot they used on me since they tried to hit me with factional last night and it didn't work

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:23 pm What if ilario or Dya is Vortis here?
One of them could have claimed HK's dayvig shot that HK never claimed to have made.

if HK shot a wolf, they'd l;ikely claim it for towncred, no?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:16 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:14 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:11 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:11 pm there is 3 wolves + at least 1 SUPER THIRD PARTY left. because i just realized that if a faction is eliminated, it's announced. ergo, SUPER THIRD PARTY still exists

Huh

"If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party. There will be an announcement when any faction is completely eliminated from the game."

Does this count for solo third party? I thought it was only for mafia and factions with more than one player.

oh, i don't know then

i am a little sketched out that sabie didn't shoot paopan. we were talking in the hood about us killing mac and her shooting pao so.... idk why she lied to us about holstering

but [VOTE: PAO] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:11 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:11 pm there is 3 wolves + at least 1 SUPER THIRD PARTY left. because i just realized that if a faction is eliminated, it's announced. ergo, SUPER THIRD PARTY still exists

Huh

"If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party. There will be an announcement when any faction is completely eliminated from the game."