The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:56 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:53 pm Is there a deadline to this? If I call Mac mafia too late do I get no towncred?
Yeah, but you also have to be serious about it. You can't just jokingly call him scum in RVS. Esooa had an actual good reason for scumreading Mac and that's good. Nanook... just called a post partners and vanished, so maybe I shouldn't be giving him as much cred, but I do think he's unlikely to make #177 if all three people in that interaction are buddies.

Is there a quick way for me to go to #177?

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:57 pm very very quick meta sum up incase this helps -

illario - meet Alison. She is very firm on her takes. I have seen her very firmly tunnel 0/2 reads as village. She says things with confidence and assert stuff that feels like a huge ??? because she is very confident in herself. She isn't as staunchly tunneled in the way Sara is but her asserting reads with confidence is very normal despite how correct/incorrect

Alison - meet illario. He will townread a bunch of people for no reason then he will promptly change all these reads on a whim. he is much more likely to townread a bunch of people than he is to scumread (and he's less likely to throw out a bunch of townreads as wolf with confidence) - his playstyle is like the exact opposite of yours

thus far think you're both town, gonna catch up

I thought you knew the reason I do this by now :P

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:51 pm What made you come around to me being a villager ilario?

1.having a similar playstyle to you

2.your interactions with alexa showed like you were actively evaluating your read on me based on information presented by her

3. i already had i think about 3 votes on me by the time u entered. i dont think as wolf u go to such extents to try and bury a villager when there was already heat on me at the time. it just makes you look worse if i ever do go over and flip. id imagine as wolf you'd be more likely to just egg it on in a more passive manner.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:47 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:35 pm lol ill take your word for it

talk me through your reads on everyone else atm
I think Alexa is townie. EnderWiggin is null which might actually be concerning because he usually makes a big splash when he is town. I have been on board with Esooa and Nanook's reads of Mac and I don't think he's a target they would try to either misexe or bus if they were scum which means they are most likely town. LC as explained is self resolving. I think Transcend is slightly scummy because I don't understand any of his reads, but he seems committed to towncoring me which means he will dig himself into a whole if he is scum attempting a pocket.

hmmm thats a pretty thought out answer.

why would esooa/nanook not go after mac, is he like the big dog of the syndicate forums? do you really feel like theyve been targeting him that much? i can see that point maybe applying to essoa since hes her only sr i remember her outting, but i dont imagine essoa to be a timid scum (i dont have much experience seeing her as scum to back this up, its just my assumption). nanooks fos on him was more off-handish from memory and his vote isnt even on mac atm.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:45 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:41 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:33 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:26 pm
lmaooo

so why is it unreasonble for me to have a hedgey opinion 10 pages into the game? like if all my posts are hedgey then sure. if i knew everyones alignment for sure 10 pages into mafia id have gotten bored of this game a very long time ago.

fwiw in a world ur town, which im starting to think you MIGHT be, i used to play just like you. coming straight into the game tunneling reads from page 1. ive veered away from it because its bad for thread health and all you achieve is that you put the entire focus on two slots and give everyone else a pass to slide under the radar in a world where we're tvt. all you've achieved is hinder both our processes in evaluating other slots because we've been so focussed in a circular argument that seems to be based on a difference of perspective more than anything else.
If you come into the game firing 4 reads out the barrel and then suddenly make a mega hedge post later on that is cause for concern.

I find that my playstyle is extremely effective and does not allow scum to slip pass the radar at all. I have achieved pretty good success as town with my style of play. Perhaps you find yourself unable to focus on anything else, or constantly degenerating the threadstate, when you attack someone early on. But I suffer from no such malady.
also, if you're town you already disproved your own argument with how you've went about interacting with my slot. you have been unable to focus on anything else with regards to my slot, because all you were doing as labelling everything i did as scummy instead of trying to consider why i would be doing what i did as town. so yeah in a way, you just proved my point on why tunneling asap on d1 is bad.
fwiw i feel like if me/you/alison are t/t/t this is like the lime matrix game (remember i told you alison reminded me of sara w/being hit or miss tunnel !!!), and it's a situation where she's tunneling you because it's your first time playing and she doesn't know your style yet, she can very very easily be a villager

i am starting to lean on her just being a tunneled villager

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:41 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:35 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:33 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:26 pm
lmaooo

so why is it unreasonble for me to have a hedgey opinion 10 pages into the game? like if all my posts are hedgey then sure. if i knew everyones alignment for sure 10 pages into mafia id have gotten bored of this game a very long time ago.

fwiw in a world ur town, which im starting to think you MIGHT be, i used to play just like you. coming straight into the game tunneling reads from page 1. ive veered away from it because its bad for thread health and all you achieve is that you put the entire focus on two slots and give everyone else a pass to slide under the radar in a world where we're tvt. all you've achieved is hinder both our processes in evaluating other slots because we've been so focussed in a circular argument that seems to be based on a difference of perspective more than anything else.
If you come into the game firing 4 reads out the barrel and then suddenly make a mega hedge post later on that is cause for concern.

I find that my playstyle is extremely effective and does not allow scum to slip pass the radar at all. I have achieved pretty good success as town with my style of play. Perhaps you find yourself unable to focus on anything else, or constantly degenerating the threadstate, when you attack someone early on. But I suffer from no such malady.
the funny thing is i townread ilario harder from the way you're describing his game because it's spot on of what he does as town lmao (and i haven't bbeen reading his actual posts that closely)
Why does he do that as town?

because people tend to have very polarized reactions to this playstyle and it helps generate content which makes reading other slots easier. id argue the game was a lot more rvs-ish/NAI until i started posting.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:33 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:26 pm
lmaooo

so why is it unreasonble for me to have a hedgey opinion 10 pages into the game? like if all my posts are hedgey then sure. if i knew everyones alignment for sure 10 pages into mafia id have gotten bored of this game a very long time ago.

fwiw in a world ur town, which im starting to think you MIGHT be, i used to play just like you. coming straight into the game tunneling reads from page 1. ive veered away from it because its bad for thread health and all you achieve is that you put the entire focus on two slots and give everyone else a pass to slide under the radar in a world where we're tvt. all you've achieved is hinder both our processes in evaluating other slots because we've been so focussed in a circular argument that seems to be based on a difference of perspective more than anything else.
If you come into the game firing 4 reads out the barrel and then suddenly make a mega hedge post later on that is cause for concern.

I find that my playstyle is extremely effective and does not allow scum to slip pass the radar at all. I have achieved pretty good success as town with my style of play. Perhaps you find yourself unable to focus on anything else, or constantly degenerating the threadstate, when you attack someone early on. But I suffer from no such malady.

also, if you're town you already disproved your own argument with how you've went about interacting with my slot. you have been unable to focus on anything else with regards to my slot, because all you were doing as labelling everything i did as scummy instead of trying to consider why i would be doing what i did as town. so yeah in a way, you just proved my point on why tunneling asap on d1 is bad.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:33 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:26 pm
lmaooo

so why is it unreasonble for me to have a hedgey opinion 10 pages into the game? like if all my posts are hedgey then sure. if i knew everyones alignment for sure 10 pages into mafia id have gotten bored of this game a very long time ago.

fwiw in a world ur town, which im starting to think you MIGHT be, i used to play just like you. coming straight into the game tunneling reads from page 1. ive veered away from it because its bad for thread health and all you achieve is that you put the entire focus on two slots and give everyone else a pass to slide under the radar in a world where we're tvt. all you've achieved is hinder both our processes in evaluating other slots because we've been so focussed in a circular argument that seems to be based on a difference of perspective more than anything else.
If you come into the game firing 4 reads out the barrel and then suddenly make a mega hedge post later on that is cause for concern.

I find that my playstyle is extremely effective and does not allow scum to slip pass the radar at all. I have achieved pretty good success as town with my style of play. Perhaps you find yourself unable to focus on anything else, or constantly degenerating the threadstate, when you attack someone early on. But I suffer from no such malady.

lol ill take your word for it

talk me through your reads on everyone else atm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:15 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:08 pm hedging, another buzzword.

let me save you the time, you should probably accuse me of omgus, fencesitting and i think by that time you would have exhausted every generic read in the book lol.
Not a buzzword. Every opinion you stated in the quoted post was qualified.
my very first post in the game was 4 reads. was that hedgey?
No, which was why I didn't call it hedgey. I called another of your posts hedgey.

lmaooo

so why is it unreasonble for me to have a hedgey opinion 10 pages into the game? like if all my posts are hedgey then sure. if i knew everyones alignment for sure 10 pages into mafia id have gotten bored of this game a very long time ago.

fwiw in a world ur town, which im starting to think you MIGHT be, i used to play just like you. coming straight into the game tunneling reads from page 1. ive veered away from it because its bad for thread health and all you achieve is that you put the entire focus on two slots and give everyone else a pass to slide under the radar in a world where we're tvt. all you've achieved is hinder both our processes in evaluating other slots because we've been so focussed in a circular argument that seems to be based on a difference of perspective more than anything else.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:15 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm Alison have you played with ilario before? I think this may be stylistic clash between you and him because this is how he's like as town imo

same with ilario on Alison
Suppose I accept that this level of emotional discomfort and rejection of logic is typical of him as town.

What has he done that's actually townie?
lmaooooo where did i reject logic?
I explained to you why pretending like LC is lock town early on is something that is unsupported by actual evidence and that would only be done by wolves with TMI. You attempted to brush this off by explaining that at least one townie has done it. This is an illogical argument because proving that at least one townie has done something does not stop it from being >rand wolf. You have also not engaged with the actual logic underpinning the read.

where did i locktown him?

eh i feel like this is a circular argument we're having, because youre so convinced your argument is concrete, when i know fmpov it has no basis because i KNOW im town. the actual evidence was my previous experience with lime, why is my experience unsupported when alexas reasoning follows the exact same basis?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:08 pm hedging, another buzzword.

let me save you the time, you should probably accuse me of omgus, fencesitting and i think by that time you would have exhausted every generic read in the book lol.
Not a buzzword. Every opinion you stated in the quoted post was qualified.

my very first post in the game was 4 reads. was that hedgey?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm Alison have you played with ilario before? I think this may be stylistic clash between you and him because this is how he's like as town imo

same with ilario on Alison
Suppose I accept that this level of emotional discomfort and rejection of logic is typical of him as town.

What has he done that's actually townie?

lmaooooo where did i reject logic?

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm Alison have you played with ilario before? I think this may be stylistic clash between you and him because this is how he's like as town imo

same with ilario on Alison

nope. and i tend to associate her extreme aggression towards my slot as more likely coming from town than not. but i really dont think shes trying to read me at all here and is more focussed on trying to find things to put labels to.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:06 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pmilario is town
alison/transcend?

or is that just too easy

thing is, if transcend is maf hes gotten pretty good at covering up his tone somehow in his hiatus. his entrance didnt feel awkward at all, which it normally does. his posting in the past few pages have trended down, but thats mostly cos i disagree with his reads.
Hedging all over the place.

hedging, another buzzword.

let me save you the time, you should probably accuse me of omgus, fencesitting and i think by that time you would have exhausted every generic read in the book lol.

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:05 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pmilario is town
alison/transcend?

or is that just too easy

thing is, if transcend is maf hes gotten pretty good at covering up his tone somehow in his hiatus. his entrance didnt feel awkward at all, which it normally does. his posting in the past few pages have trended down, but thats mostly cos i disagree with his reads.
why is alison a wolf besides voting u?

her argument is inherently flawed and shes using buzzwords with no basis.

can you find a single post of mine that displays anxiousness/frustration at all?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:03 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:59 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:55 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:47 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:42 pm maybe that just means you arent as experienced at finding town LC as you once thought? more than 2 people have outed that read on him, they cant all be scum right?
If I say "people who do X are scummy" and the number of people who do X exceeds the size of the mafia team it doesn't mean I'm wrong, it just means my POE is bigger than 2.
or it just means that the basis for ur scumread is flawed. if more than 2 people are doing it, that means no matter how you look at it undoubtely there is town doing it too, whether or not you believe i am part of that town is something else.
Not true.

Suppose 3 people do it. 2 scum and 1 town. That would mean that the behavior makes you 2/3 likely to be scum when you are only 2/11 likely to be scum on average. That makes it pretty far >rand scum.
but ur making a big assumption that theres 2 scum there. how do you know that? why isnt it 3 town and no scum? in that scenario the odds are 0/33 which makes it very strongly > rand town.

my only argument is that you said "x is a scummy behaviour" im saying that argument is inherently flawed because it has been proven that there has to be at least one town displaying that behaviour. you arbitratily saying theres 2/3 scum doesnt change that and its an argument you cant prove either.
Because I have demonstrated a logical argument why scum are more likely to do it than town.

And the fact that at least one town is doing it doesn't change that.

Thank you for spewing yourself scum with your frustration over my read.

again, your putting emotions to me that arent even present. im not frustrated, nor anxious nor anything else you're going to accuse me of.

im just trying to understand your thought process because you seem to have a very confident read out of nothing at all

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pmilario is town

alison/transcend?

or is that just too easy

thing is, if transcend is maf hes gotten pretty good at covering up his tone somehow in his hiatus. his entrance didnt feel awkward at all, which it normally does. his posting in the past few pages have trended down, but thats mostly cos i disagree with his reads.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:55 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:47 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:42 pm maybe that just means you arent as experienced at finding town LC as you once thought? more than 2 people have outed that read on him, they cant all be scum right?
If I say "people who do X are scummy" and the number of people who do X exceeds the size of the mafia team it doesn't mean I'm wrong, it just means my POE is bigger than 2.
or it just means that the basis for ur scumread is flawed. if more than 2 people are doing it, that means no matter how you look at it undoubtely there is town doing it too, whether or not you believe i am part of that town is something else.
Not true.

Suppose 3 people do it. 2 scum and 1 town. That would mean that the behavior makes you 2/3 likely to be scum when you are only 2/11 likely to be scum on average. That makes it pretty far >rand scum.

but ur making a big assumption that theres 2 scum there. how do you know that? why isnt it 3 town and no scum? in that scenario the odds are 0/33 which makes it very strongly > rand town.

my only argument is that you said "x is a scummy behaviour" im saying that argument is inherently flawed because it has been proven that there has to be at least one town displaying that behaviour. you arbitratily saying theres 2/3 scum doesnt change that and its an argument you cant prove either.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:52 pm I mean the people townreading me confidently are Alexa, who I've stated we've been t/t around 10 games by now, and Illario, which pinged me but if he's actually town this game then holy shit we've made progress. Both are from my homesite and have played with me numerous times.

I believe the others were Ender and Mac? I haven't seen their reasoning but they are the ones that have played only 1 or 2 games with me. Ender I'm confident is town as I've stated before, Mac I gotta see what's going on the later the game goes.

i really dont think we made any progress since ur still very paranoid of me lol

ive been good at finding u as town since our chat mafia days, i had a rough patch during fm after u tricked me in a few games and was hesitant in dragonvale since u said u were tryharding that game, but seeing u town back to back in that game and limes matrix has given me a good idea of what your town play looks like now in FM.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:47 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:42 pm maybe that just means you arent as experienced at finding town LC as you once thought? more than 2 people have outed that read on him, they cant all be scum right?
If I say "people who do X are scummy" and the number of people who do X exceeds the size of the mafia team it doesn't mean I'm wrong, it just means my POE is bigger than 2.

or it just means that the basis for ur scumread is flawed. if more than 2 people are doing it, that means no matter how you look at it undoubtely there is town doing it too, whether or not you believe i am part of that town is something else.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:42 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:41 pm come again?
You are anxious, uncomfortable, and feel like you're placating LC.

can you quote a single point where i feel anxious and uncomfortable? i really dont think im giving that vibe at all lol. it feels like you're just throwing random words out there rn.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:41 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:38 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:37 pm LC has really done nothing particularly townie. I don't feel his obviousness spewing out of every orifice and I find LC to be a pretty easy read. People who have a strong read on LC are suspect.
why do you feel people with a strong read on LC are suspect rather than people who are just good/confident about reading LC?
Because I too am confident about reading LC and I came into this game expecting him to have his obviousness spew out of every orifice. And it hasn't. And I think other people who were good at reading LC would also realize this. If LC is obvious town then having a strong townread on LC isn't suspect. If LC isn't obvious town then having a strong townread on LC is suspect because the reason he is an easy read is that he is obvious town when he is town.

maybe that just means you arent as experienced at finding town LC as you once thought? more than 2 people have outed that read on him, they cant all be scum right?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:39 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:32 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:22 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:18 pm @ilario

Why did you out a townread on me?
u and matt were trd for similar reasons, i think u both come off across as very uncomfortable when ur wolfing.

also the way u approached reading alexa feels very much you would as town
[VOTE: ilario] aubergine
can you expand on why this feels scummy to you?
You sound like you made this post in a dingy interrogation room with handcuffs on your arms and a spotlight shone in your face while a shadowy figure from behind shouts at you to talk or he'll kill you.

come again?

the strangest thing about transcend is that he said theres an oppurtunistic wolf voting in me/alexa and we're tvt, but i found alisons found to be the most scummy and shes his top tr.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:37 pm LC has really done nothing particularly townie. I don't feel his obviousness spewing out of every orifice and I find LC to be a pretty easy read. People who have a strong read on LC are suspect.

the people who tr him are ones with a lot of experience with him. he has polarized ranges, and he rates his own scum game as a 1/10. does that change your perspective here?

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:36 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:36 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:25 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm brad why are you voting ilario
Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.
dis post is yucky
why?

i think ur pushing the angle too much of "theres an oppurtunistic maf voting alexa v illario".

and im not sure how i feel about that tbh.

i mean it could very well be true but i dont think its lime.
then how do u feel about nanook or enderwiggin

its way too early for me to say given that i havent interacted with them yet

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:32 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:22 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:18 pm @ilario

Why did you out a townread on me?
u and matt were trd for similar reasons, i think u both come off across as very uncomfortable when ur wolfing.

also the way u approached reading alexa feels very much you would as town
[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

can you expand on why this feels scummy to you?

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:25 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm brad why are you voting ilario
Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.
dis post is yucky

why?

i think ur pushing the angle too much of "theres an oppurtunistic maf voting alexa v illario".

and im not sure how i feel about that tbh.

i mean it could very well be true but i dont think its lime.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm brad why are you voting ilario
Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.

not always, i can understand why u feel this way though and its towny for u to have this thought process. i can get into why it isnt applicable here but i dont want this to get too meta heavy for the non-em players

it feels like you believe this read which makes me feel better that im reading u correctly.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:18 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:08 pmmac town
I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?
This was the quote btw
looking back It’s not as bad as I initially remembered, but at the time I felt like your response was very sassy here in a way that didn’t align with the tone from the rest of your posts where you seemed more relaxed and jovial. It just felt out of place at the time. In the context of you being annoyed by building pressure, then I suppose I can imagine why you would feel this way? But yeah at the time I wasn’t even aware you were being voted. Also you tend to give lots of snap reads like essoa did just there so I wasn’t getting why you were so bothered when someone else had done it.

The other thing I didn’t like was when you were saying that brad was reading you better than me. I mean that could be true, but It felt like you were trying to guilt trip (?) me into changing my read on you at the time. That’s what I meant when I said ur reaction felt preemptive since it was only 3 pages in and I made the read after a very quick 5 minute skim, so imo it shouldn’t be that much weigh so ur reaction to it confused me. That and the fact that you know that I tend to change my reads a LOT throughout the game.
ok ngl when i wrote that post i was thinking how sara said something like that to me in a past game and i TR her for it (like she instantly demanded someone explain their reads) so i thought maybe it'd win me some towncred for getting right to business, it literally felt unnatural as i was saying it and i know this explanation is even worse LMAO i am really really bad with starts as game i feel like i'm a wolf regardless of my alignment every game start and feel so intensely self-conscious

..i also feel like i'm the only person who cares about this LOOOL

ik you change your reads a lot it was kind of a sassiness/annoyance comment out of spite i'm sorry

LMAOOOOOO the way u relate to sara there feels so pure to me

I’ve gone through all your other posts and they seem good to me

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:08 pmmac town
I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?

This was the quote btw
looking back It’s not as bad as I initially remembered, but at the time I felt like your response was very sassy here in a way that didn’t align with the tone from the rest of your posts where you seemed more relaxed and jovial. It just felt out of place at the time. In the context of you being annoyed by building pressure, then I suppose I can imagine why you would feel this way? But yeah at the time I wasn’t even aware you were being voted. Also you tend to give lots of snap reads like essoa did just there so I wasn’t getting why you were so bothered when someone else had done it.

The other thing I didn’t like was when you were saying that brad was reading you better than me. I mean that could be true, but It felt like you were trying to guilt trip (?) me into changing my read on you at the time. That’s what I meant when I said ur reaction felt preemptive since it was only 3 pages in and I made the read after a very quick 5 minute skim, so imo it shouldn’t be that much weigh so ur reaction to it confused me. That and the fact that you know that I tend to change my reads a LOT throughout the game.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:47 pm ah, makes sense

well i will say the games that illario has read me the most uncharitably have been his scum games historically. if i were him i wouldn't take the approach toward me right out of the gate as wolf so i'm a bit hesitant to call him scum, in my gut i actually feel he may be town because i kept expecting him to not townread me immediately in a game (and he doesn't always but he never has outed a SR me on this except when he was scum), and i feel like i'm approaching this game similarly as i would as wolf so i could see it, but in addition to what brad's saying i can't townread him yet

well ive liked ur posts on this page better
in particular this post has a level of self-introspection that is more often towny than not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:45 pm God I can't get over how town I am.

tbh, i believe you here

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:35 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:28 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:26 pm illario, why do you think i'm a wolf?
there was a post u had to esooa i found scummy
and then ur reaction about my fos

sorry if this is vague cos im sure it would be frustrating if im misreading you, ill elaborate more in a couple hours once im finished with class
it's whatever.
this happens at the start of every single game i'm used to it by now

all i can say if i'm town, im p sure brad and esooa are town so if you're town too, this game shouldn't be that difficult and you should know i do really badly with pressure (i was literally so excited for this game because it's been days since i played and i had this thing in my mind that i was going to be completely reformed then the second it starts i feel myself just falling back into old habits of getting emotional when matt first voted me even tho it was rvs i need to play under an alt for real) , but yeah i know i start off games terribly but the pressure makes it really harder for me

tbh i didnt even notice there was 2 votes on you already, i just assume theyre rvs/meme votes?

and yeah ik you dont do too well to pressure and ive kept that in mind whilst handling our interactions. fwiw this post you just had felt pretty real to me, do you feel like ive been interacting with you in bad faith? do you tr both people who instantly defended you? (ig u already tr brad, what about nanook?)

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:26 pm illario, why do you think i'm a wolf?

there was a post u had to esooa i found scummy
and then ur reaction about my fos

sorry if this is vague cos im sure it would be frustrating if im misreading you, ill elaborate more in a couple hours once im finished with class

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:18 pm @ilario

Why did you out a townread on me?

u and matt were trd for similar reasons, i think u both come off across as very uncomfortable when ur wolfing.

also the way u approached reading alexa feels very much you would as town

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:19 pm ehhhh im remembering the last time i townread illario for FOSing me because i thought he would want to try to catch me was actually his wolf game so im rescinding that townread, i think hes being too uncharitable toward me

where?

it was just a gut read that can easily be wrong

after that ive just been questioning you, i havent even given my conclusions from the questioning though

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:16 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:10 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:09 pm esooa is prob town
just the way you've gone about reading me
seems real

for what

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:11 pm why do u think id be scared as wolf to come at u twice in a row? it worked out fine the first time, and id expect u to think i wouldnt do it twice which means i probably would consider doing it twice for that exact same reason
i OMGUS like everyone who foses me, i did that exact same thing to you when you fosed me before
how did it work out fine before? it made me suspicious AF before. plus you were more hesitant on it before and didn't do it immediately like you did here

yeah it made u suspicious but it worked out fine in the overall context of the game in that it made everyone think we were tvt and i was able to use the interaction to bus my teammate and get enough towncred to endgame.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:12 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:10 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:08 pm damn brad is better at reading me than illario O____O (assuming illario is town which he prob is for that opening lol he'd be too coward to as wolf 2 games in a row)
isnt it a bit pre-emptive to come to conclusion just 3 pages in?
you act like you are unaware i change my reads all the time

huh?

why do u think id be scared as wolf to come at u twice in a row? it worked out fine the first time, and id expect u to think i wouldnt do it twice which means i probably would consider doing it twice for that exact same reason

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:08 pm damn brad is better at reading me than illario O____O (assuming illario is town which he prob is for that opening lol he'd be too coward to as wolf 2 games in a row)

isnt it a bit pre-emptive to come to conclusion just 3 pages in?

hiiiiiii im in class for the next few hours i did a very quick skim (<5 mins spent)

quick fire reads i think matt/lime/essoa town
alexa scum

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