The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:31 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:30 pm Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

If that's the case I'd lean it towards Ilario being mafia but we'll cross that bridge if we get to it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:30 pm Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:13 pm Honestly we deserve to lose this.

If you think there's any world where I leave both of alexa and illario alive in a F7 no matter how right or wrong their reads are then you're insane lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:03 pm Why is TSP getting a free pass?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:53 pm I am also literally never partnered with Mac anyway.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:51 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:49 pm Like I have no idea what wolf!mac would gain by doing this rn

By doing what?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:35 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:32 pm how do you wolfread ilario

1. His TMI on me.
2. He is the most likely one who was trying to buttscoot onto the LC wagon.
3. My early game reads are >rand.
4. I completely don't care about your read anymore because I am uber confident Ilario could pocket you specifically if he wanted to.
5. I think Nanook is town.
6. I have been pinged by him most of the game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:22 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:13 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:05 am

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:49 pm @alexa correct me if I am wrong but your read on LC isn't lock level is it?

@ilario same question?

my read is back and forth on LC tbh.

that quote from mac looks similar to how lc defended u against ldies in limes game, the only difference is this is a singular post whereas in limes game he kept pushing

I am not lc

No it’s referencing a quote of lc what u had brought up

I am aware that you know I am not lc

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:20 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:17 pm It’s the one where he showed somebody u and him can’t be partnered

I meant which quote from the Lime game.

There's like 40 minutes in EOD so if you don't want to find it it's fine.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:13 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:05 am

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:49 pm @alexa correct me if I am wrong but your read on LC isn't lock level is it?

@ilario same question?

my read is back and forth on LC tbh.

that quote from mac looks similar to how lc defended u against ldies in limes game, the only difference is this is a singular post whereas in limes game he kept pushing

I am not lc

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:57 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:54 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:53 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:52 pm Wiml shoulda just listened to what I was saying earlier, fwiw ur probs more similar to Alexa than you are to bk in style

about??

To ignore the pressure and just focus on solving
He’s most towniest when he’s just analyzing other slots

Ngl, solving is super easy to fake.

If there's one thing I struggle to fake it's probably my general attitude lol. I'm pretty sure Thunal knows how to read me for it pretty well now.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:57 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:54 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:53 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:52 pm Wiml shoulda just listened to what I was saying earlier, fwiw ur probs more similar to Alexa than you are to bk in style

about??

To ignore the pressure and just focus on solving
He’s most towniest when he’s just analyzing other slots

I don't think Alexa necessarily ignores pressure? I think her and I are very similar in that we're going to face people that FOS us head on in games.

Difference is that Alexa is way better at viewing the thread state and game overall and plays with 100 times more motivation than I do.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:53 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:52 pm Wiml shoulda just listened to what I was saying earlier, fwiw ur probs more similar to Alexa than you are to bk in style

about??

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:06 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:01 pm I can kinda see the progression Nanook has and it's pretty reasonable. Like he snap scumread Ilario for what appears to be outing a pretty bad read on Alexa who he was townreading from the get-go and kinda shielding. Wiml defended ilario and Nanook didn't like that so he's content to see Wiml punished for it.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME if you think Ilario is a wolf what is your plan to actually resolve him given he's read town by practically everyone?

Say I told you so and be smug while people get pissy at me in post

This is a half serious answer

Either we're in a world where I have a better read on ilario than his friends, in which case I'm going to die before he does and he either skates to a win or his friends eventually realize he's mafia in f3 and pretend that they're great for catching him despite me correctly calling him scum in like 2 seconds while they omgused me on his behalf

Or we're in a world where I'm wrong and I've identified the wrong misclear in the towncore/it's two others in my poe


Either way, looking at this pragmatically he's not dying and I'm not going to successfully push him over, so

Hopefully you guys are right and I'm wrong

this thought is kind of villagery @ilario blah

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:49 pm @alexa correct me if I am wrong but your read on LC isn't lock level is it?

@ilario same question?

my read is back and forth on LC tbh.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:22 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:40 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:33 pm Ignore the shielding thing.

Read my post about how as town you try to out reads that AREN'T your shield.

And when you do those reads have some thought process to them, explaining why you got there.

I'll read over the games you linked later when I'm not at work to ensure it is consistent with my understanding of your play, but I'm not questioning the Shield part.

That's fine that you see that I haven't been really explaining most of my townreads. That's mainly because I'm just reacting quickly and certain players I really can't explain reads for?

Like Esooa I've played multiple games with by now. I can't really explain why she's town, I'm not capable of explaining her town or mafia meta because she changes every damn game depending on her level of motivation. I just end up reading her a certain alignment and move on.

Illario relatively the same thing? Like the main town thing he has is the "town entitlement" stuff and the way he explains his townreads and the fact that he usually falls back on scumreads when he's town. Otherwise the rest of the stuff he does as town he can do as mafia so it makes it tricky to explain his game. (Alexa does way better explaining his game tbh.)

I've already explained you how I liked the whole "I'll figure out his alignment by Day 2/3" post, which ironically you're doing the opposite of that . But the effort you're putting in right now at looking at my past games and explaining the scumread on me is HUGELY towny.

this post is kind of meh
the explanation on Esooa is just.. lacking for brad's usual conviction?

i dunno i don't feel as comfortable when i got the read so off in deck mafia, i'm gonna look there again

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:18 am oh man if we gave matt all that flack day one and he was right on lC LOL

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:05 pm I WILL PUT MY RESPONSES IN GIANT BOLD LETTERS TO MAKE THIS EASIER TO READ!!!

Maybe not 200 font, but the 150 seems to work.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:06 am LC ISO:

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:42 pm I actually don't have a single read yet.

His first non-fluff is saying he doesn't have reads.

Then:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:19 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:18 pm Whose gonna be your hard-shield this game LC?

You're voting them.

When questioned he puts this up to start shielding Alexa.

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I didn't actually townread Alexa at the time. However you asked the question, I was answering seeing that if I ended up townreading Alexa, which I did about an hour later, I would've hard shielded her like I usually do.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:23 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:20 pm But they were hedgy LC.

That's what's weird I don't really know what there is to hedge yet. Only thing is a townread on me from Mac before she stated that as far as I can see immediately.

Takes my joke super seriously. Sometimes it's a scumtell sometimes not.

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I have the "Take jokes seriously is scummy" policy myself, so I get where you're coming from on this.

But in my response, I didn't think that was a joke post. When you responded with "It was a joke" that was why I responded with "I'm a fucking idiot" because I indeed felt like an idiot and I broke my own rule due to a misunderstanding.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:38 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)

Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:46 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm I don’t think he would like not out a read on me/be hesitant to read me if he was wolfing here, to me it sounds like town who is worried I’m wolf/worried he won’t be able to find me since he worries I’m not as obvious town as the previous times I was town (and I can see him wanting to be able to catch me if I’m wolf too) so I feel his approach me makes sense as a villager

This actually kinda hits it on the head and I'm townreading you now because of that explanation.

Spoiler: show

You gotta flip wolf against me eventually, though.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:49 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm LC is town, I agree.

If I'm wrong on this it'll be obvious by Day 3.

This is...fucking accurate and I've never actually said anything about this.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:49 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:08 pmmac town

I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?

You have the quote button, then to the right of that is the 2 word bubbles, that is collects for multi-quote.

@alexa

Then this string, which doesn't do a lot.

Focuses on the Alexa read, then helps mech.

Nothing too important.

Then some more non-interactions like:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:57 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:55 pmI'm town

Are you?

And then outs a basic ass townread on me like:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:01 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:59 pm kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin

Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.

Has some early townreads and interactions, also has a hard-shield player.

He then spends a majority of the next posts defending Alexa from various sussing, then susses Ilario hard.

Then Alison causes a bit of sus to come LC's direction and he fends it off okay.

Just saw that I rate a 7/10 on Alison's scum game quality eval.

Just noting here that I actually feel like I can do better than that. I will either improve or prove that I'm worth of at least a 9/10 some time in the future. /ego

Then a bunch more fluff including great snark at me.

Then:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:55 am I was eating popcorn.

Why does Nanook have a wagon?

Incidentally his first mention of Nanook all game.

A lot more fluff.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:32 am Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)


That's all I have currently.

Then finally puts out a general townlist. This is fine.

Then plays HARD shield, which is normally a good look for LC.

THEN gets in a fight with Transcend.

THEN outs this reads list:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:23 pm READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

Which is just hilarious to me.

Then mostly fluff and directly joking with Alexa.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:06 pm Hi. What is your solve?

Transcend is 1, and the other is either Nanook or maybe TSP?

I don't know the stuff with Mac. Is Mac capable of making that many team solves at once as mafia?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:55 am if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing

I'm talking this type of post, is there a world where Mac makes this post as mafia?

Then moves to this Mac read, this is a little nuanced compared to previous stuff I remember from his wolf game.

Then more fluff and defense of Alexa.

Actually gives solid thoughts on why Alexa is town, but this is not outside LC wolf range.

D2 he actually asks a few questions while continuing with the Alexa shield.

Starts to press Mac hard. Most of the rest of his game is aggro on LC

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS.

Time to cross-reference.

IN JOATED:
Plays very similar. Outs strong townread and defends. Aggros on some people. Offers some townreads. Generally gets quieter as the game goes.

I actually reckon LC is in his scum range.

In the little town exposure, I've seen him make reads where he explains the reasoning for his decisions, as if showing off the way he's mentally arrived at this thought.

In this game he has only outed townreads, with the only one he's properly explained is his Alexa shield.

This is exactly the same as in JOATED where he only outed reasons for shielding Honey.

Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.

Okay, there wasn't much that I could actually respond to? This was mostly commentary. I DON'T know how to respond to commentary.

You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too? Like Illario said, I start off strong, usually Day 1 I play really well, but by Day 3 or 4 I lose energy, motivation, and interest depending on how well the game is going.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift

Another town game I was on my alt Mystery Player, which is not a mystery anymore . I was strong all of Day 1, then Day 2 I hard defend Neo (NEO TOWN!) and go crazy with it (Again I'm trying to calm down), but my energy level went down further and further as the game went on because it was exhausting, and SaraC was annoying me.

I lose steam in games, this game specifically is draining me a bit. Like I said in games that I hard shield Alexa, or others, I end up losing game awareness and I forget most of my reads it's an awful ass habit.

I'll post this for now but I'm going to continue on, give me a few minutes.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:24 pm The way LC deals with Wiml is actually a bit weird.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:23 pm READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

At this point in the game he has him pretty low. Hasn't engaged with him, tried to figure him out or anything.

Next mention of Wiml he sheeps Alexa townreading him.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:39 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:38 pm Wiml just feels like solid town to me

Same.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:49 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:44 pm Going in here are some disassociations I have.

Alexa - Esooa, Lime Coke, Wiml, Ilario
Ender - nobody?
Esooa - Alexa
ilario - Alexa, Nanook
Lime Coke - Alexa
Nanook - Wiml, Ilario
TSP - Nobody
Wiml - Nanook, Alexa

I'm an idiot, what is this pointing out?

Players that are not teamed from my perspective

I'm mean I'm pretty sure you can add Wiml to Esooa's list because she's literally been pushing him since Day 1.

Conscious of who has been pushing Wiml.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:15 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:49 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:48 pm

I'm an idiot, what is this pointing out?

Players that are not teamed from my perspective

I'm mean I'm pretty sure you can add Wiml to Esooa's list because she's literally been pushing him since Day 1.

Nah its in their teammate range. Especially given Esooa was a little bit hedgey about it d1 and Wiml was never at actual risk.

Wasn't he a wagon at EOD?

The one you were on before you switched to Transcend after getting him on said wagon for some reason?

And again.

This post was why I asked.

Ftr, LC actually knows me fairly well and we've probably played together like 7-8 times. LC's treatment of me this game is actually really off.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:16 am I'm just going to take more breaks from the thread if I can become I think it's obvious when I'm playing out of obligation and it dampens the atmosphere.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:35 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:12 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:08 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:55 am For instance Wiml may have passed quantity markers but he has made no reads that I look at as being outside his wolf range.

Nanook has not passed any quantity markers but his reads have been more challenging to make than Wiml's reads have been.

i actually agree with this statement

Half the posts of yours I read you're saying what amounts to "yeah I guess X thing from nanook is a bit townie"

And yet I'm still your top scumread

Wild

It really isn’t that wild considering I’ve had statements like that for every player in every game I’ve ever randed town. Everyone has towny moments, but if those moments are few and far in between, and I have to squint pretty hard to read it as towny, then more often than not it’s just mafia.

I mean I think you're just full of shit obviously and have to keep scumreading me to keep the poe intact, but on the off chance you're not then you should probably get better glasses/reevaluate your process

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:08 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:55 am For instance Wiml may have passed quantity markers but he has made no reads that I look at as being outside his wolf range.

Nanook has not passed any quantity markers but his reads have been more challenging to make than Wiml's reads have been.

i actually agree with this statement

Half the posts of yours I read you're saying what amounts to "yeah I guess X thing from nanook is a bit townie"

And yet I'm still your top scumread

Wild