The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:48 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:47 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:45 am I’m about this close to hammering Soa now. Blessings or forebodings?

You're already votin' me, but you can hammer Dolby instead.

I’m voting Dolby lol

Well, then keep your vote on him

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:45 am I’m about this close to hammering Soa now. Blessings or forebodings?

You're already votin' me, but you can hammer Dolby instead.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:44 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:34 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:33 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:30 pm hello. i didn't get to see EOD. work has me so swamped. who died

I have a sneaking suspicion that Nanook tagged you (like he did everybody) and you can go check for yourself.



It's D3, derp clears are for D1

I honestly didn't think tags did anything on this site but thanks for the passive-aggression bud

Well, I didn't see any notifications and still don't, but maybe I'm just blind. I'm sure NAA has been tagged already even before that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:42 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:41 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:40 am SoA asked us to wait for Saturday. We did. He arrived. He promptly tried to hammer someone else before even beginning to catch up. I might hammer myself.

Where did I try to hammer anyone?

You put Dolby at L-1 and then tagged the game's biggest hammer proponent. That's trying to hammer someone. You even just told me "better him than me" when I asked why you tried to end the day early. Now you're denying a hammer attempt.

Putting someone at L-1 is not hammerin' them. Taggin' someone does nothin' on this website

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:40 am SoA asked us to wait for Saturday. We did. He arrived. He promptly tried to hammer someone else before even beginning to catch up. I might hammer myself.

Where did I try to hammer anyone?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:33 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:32 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:31 am Moved to unvote.

Why?

You specifically asked for time to speak. Do you not want time to speak? Why are you trying to end the day immediately?

Because I'm not scum and better him than me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:31 am Moved to unvote.

Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:24 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:18 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:08 am Also I just read a few of Jimmy's posts where he had that exact solve. I think that's obviously bullshit because 1. I know I'm town and 2. Anyone is a fool if they think they can actually out an entire solve and think it's correct without seein' a single scum flip. That doesn't make sense to me whatsoever. Everyone is followin' along with it and sayin' I'm scum and these are my scum buddies, it's just lazy.

We only have one mistaken elimination allowed from this point before we lose the game. The margin for error is minuscule. We either solve the game (the whole game) or we die.

This response doesn't particularly inspire me either. Why me over others?

I think you're more suspicious than they are. You've been struggling mightily to find anything to say in this thread lately (busy or not, when you've been here it's been nil), and you fit well with more other people than they fit with per my assessment. I might not be dead-on accurate, but if not I'm going to need you to show me which of my town reads shouldn't be a town read. The only read I'm never going to change is that JaggedJimmyJay is town, so I can't do much with your accusations.

So you admit that your town read on JaggedJimmyJay is just that...? A read...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:18 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:08 am Also I just read a few of Jimmy's posts where he had that exact solve. I think that's obviously bullshit because 1. I know I'm town and 2. Anyone is a fool if they think they can actually out an entire solve and think it's correct without seein' a single scum flip. That doesn't make sense to me whatsoever. Everyone is followin' along with it and sayin' I'm scum and these are my scum buddies, it's just lazy.

We only have one mistaken elimination allowed from this point before we lose the game. The margin for error is minuscule. We either solve the game (the whole game) or we die.

This response doesn't particularly inspire me either. Why me over others?

But then again when I look at both wagons, I feel much better about votin' Dolby... Some things to consider.

And by the way @Sloonei you asked me earlier what I found scummy about you as if I didn't express exactly what it was on day 2. I thought the way you were handlin' people could have been TMI. Like the way you handled me and sig was just weird t'me on top of the way you went about your Jimmy town read. I thought it might have been fake attempts to solve. I'm not sure if that answers all of your questions, but I think this is the gist of it.

Like... I don't get why you guys are going for me specifically is the thing and I'm worried it might be scum motivated. I even saw Jimmy askin' for an early hammer just now once Sloonei returned.

By the way, is this what the prevailing argument for me being scum is? That I fit well with other people's scum reads? Because that's mostly what I'm reading here in the last few pages. Wouldn't it make more sense to flip other people here?

Although maybe I'm not bein' generous here 'cause I literally looked at like one recent post from his ISO heh

I mean I can see why people think Falcon Man is scum though, just readin' his posts for today and nothin' has changed much.

I'm not convinced Dolby is scum here either, but for now it's better him than me so I'm gonna leave this here while I go through the rest of the thread

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Also I just read a few of Jimmy's posts where he had that exact solve. I think that's obviously bullshit because 1. I know I'm town and 2. Anyone is a fool if they think they can actually out an entire solve and think it's correct without seein' a single scum flip. That doesn't make sense to me whatsoever. Everyone is followin' along with it and sayin' I'm scum and these are my scum buddies, it's just lazy.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:03 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:01 am Hey Dizzy! Can you guys tell me a bit about what I missed if ya don't mind?

Scum is you, G-Man, Dolby and Falcon. Rest is town. I think that’s it.

Well that can't be right seein' as how I'm town. I thought you town read me earlier? What changed here?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:02 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:01 am Yeah, yeah. I can see that but hey don't worry, as long as ya guys don't hammer me before I'm able to out my finals n' stuff it's all good

You think it’s good you’re getting chopped?

That's kind of a loaded question. What I'm sayin' is that obviously bein' chopped here is bad, but if you guys at least give me enough time to out my final reads then I won't feel pissed about it.

I probably won't have time to read the entire thread, but I know Dolby is my counter wagon.

Hey Dizzy! Can you guys tell me a bit about what I missed if ya don't mind?

Yeah, yeah. I can see that but hey don't worry, as long as ya guys don't hammer me before I'm able to out my finals n' stuff it's all good

Good mornin' all

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:41 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:38 pm On some level that falcon post sounds honest despite my questions. I will need someone less biased to talk to me about it.

[VOTE: Son of Anarch] aubergine

Man, I don't even mind the vote on me. I admit I haven't done anything. I just want to say though that I will be around a lot on Saturday to possibly post and give my thoughts if this is the route you guys choose to go down. So please don't hammer me early.

Saturday is the night phase starting at 7pm edt. I'm in no hurry to hammer, but your time to do things on that specific day will be inherently restricted.

Yeah, but it's the best I can give. I'm workin' 12 hour shifts which is somethin' I didn't anticipate this week. It's better than nothin' and I'd rather die and give somethin' than die and give nothin'. I'll also probably be around Friday night

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:38 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm It's a shame LC died because I was comin' around to him being town. Sloonei poisoned is slightly unexpected, but I admit I missed a large chunk of yesterday and don't know what happened to possibly turn things around there

What needed to be turned around?

I thought you were slightly suspicious and weren't as town as the other people I was town reading. So I guess what I'm wonderin' is why you over other people.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:38 pm On some level that falcon post sounds honest despite my questions. I will need someone less biased to talk to me about it.

[VOTE: Son of Anarch] aubergine

Man, I don't even mind the vote on me. I admit I haven't done anything. I just want to say though that I will be around a lot on Saturday to possibly post and give my thoughts if this is the route you guys choose to go down. So please don't hammer me early.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

What are the chances this is 4 town?

It's a shame LC died because I was comin' around to him being town. Sloonei poisoned is slightly unexpected, but I admit I missed a large chunk of yesterday and don't know what happened to possibly turn things around there

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:33 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:30 pm hello. i didn't get to see EOD. work has me so swamped. who died

I have a sneaking suspicion that Nanook tagged you (like he did everybody) and you can go check for yourself.



It's D3, derp clears are for D1

I honestly didn't think tags did anything on this site but thanks for the passive-aggression bud

ffffff im an idiot. eod is on saturday though, yeah? i'm gonna be very sparse until saturday but ill be able to catch up then

oh wait

hello. i didn't get to see EOD. work has me so swamped. who died

I feel kinda bad for not being able to contribute as much as I normally would be able to and I'm not sure that'll change until there's less posts/less people sadly

Remind me never to join a game with such short phases again hahaha

I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

I do like your team theory kinda. I'm unsure about Dolby bein' there because I thought the day 1 content was good. Day 2 hasn't been as great, so I'll give ya that.

Postin' twice is my speciality

Looks fine t'me, I just don't find the chart particularly helpful to me. It would probably be more helpful for other people.

Looks fine t'me, I just don't find the chart particularly helpful to me. It would probably be more helpful towards other people.

Anyways...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:47 pm

Highly doubt they're mafia teammates
Mostly doubt they're mafia teammates
They could be mafia teammates
They fit together pretty well as mafia teammates

Note: as always I did not write meticulous notes to be posted for this, as it becomes spammy. Instead anyone can ask me to expand on any block and, as time permits, I will try to do so.

When I do this I normally work with fewer levels, but I wanted to be extremely thorough about this one given my worries about the state of the game. Some quick takeaways:

- NAA doesn't have enough fits. Town.
- Sloonei doesn't have enough fits. Town.
>> Each of them has three technical fits, but those fits don't fit with each other.

- Tony can probably be assessed on mechanical bases instead of this.

- ilario, Johanna, and Marmot are all close to meeting the same standard, but technically it is possible if my views are correct for them to be mafia.

- Dolby, falcon, G-Man, and Lime Coke all fit together as pairs, meaning that is a viable mafia team. I would call it my lead theory.

- Some other foursomes that technically can work:
>> Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man
>> Johanna, ilario, Dolby, Dizzy
>> Probably more, but I need more time to exhaustively work through it. Separate post maybe.

- Obviously I can be wrong about stuff. I can't worry about that. This is the result of my work.

I thought this was supposed t'be a big post?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:38 pm ANY BURNING QUESTIONS OR HUG REQUESTS? I’m sleeping soon and tomorrow is hell

Main suspect?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:29 pm Also I’m with spf and want to hammer in the fact that we probably just need one mafia flip to break the game open here, or at least have a much better understanding. It feels kind if chaotic right now, but it feels more chaotic than it is, because the solution is there. So if you’re town, just do all you can to get there.

Kinda agree with ya there, considerin' how the game state has been goin'

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:21 pm I was just about to bring something up about Anarch that might’ve ended me and Ilario’s mindmeld lol. But yeah, you’ve seemed more in the backseat this day. Though I guess you addressed that.

Question though: What do you think Ilario’s intentions of giving you (and me) a lock town read in the way that he does? Cause for me, I just can’t really see any ill intent in that. OR basically: How do you feel about our triad?

I feel good about the triad. I think you and ilario are the two people I've been trustin' the most so far and I don't really have any reason to doubt that right now. I'm in the backseat 'cause of the high-volume of posts, bein' a lot busier with work now that it's not a weekend, and just generally not bein' too worried about the game state. I don't think ilario had ill intentions behind lockin' us town, but I do want to point out that that is a pretty loaded question. 'Cause either his intentions are pure and he's town or they're not and he's mafia. I'm thinkin' he's town so I'm thinkin' his intentions are pure. It would be pretty brave for a mafia to try and form an alliance like that, but not impossible. However, part of the reason I even trust him so much is because you're also in this "triad" with me and since I have reasons to think you're town, that at least means I'm not gettin' suckered in by two mafia. If he's pocketin', he's pocketin' both of us and that's way less embarrassin' to me.

Actually it's not that hard, I'm between two people right now.

I'll probably vote for the guy I least town read today. Just tryin' to figure out who that is, heh.

I gotta be honest with ya. You guys have posted A LOT today and I'm not used to posting being this fast. This is due to shorter phases on this website for sure, which I'm still adjusting too. So, I'm gonna be honest here and admit I have not read everythin' and just skimmed what I missed.

To answer your question though Jimmy, I think ilario is town. I actually can't understand why people are freakin' out so much either. sig was scummy, but never a sure shot. The fact people are goin' crazy and sayin' we need to flip our world view doesn't sit right with me at all. Now if ilario keeps leading me down a wrong path or I keep missin', I'll look over it some more, but I trust him for now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:11 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:06 am I guess my problem is that a lot of your solvin' is poking and prodding and I don't feel like I've seen any real results from that yet.

I get this from everyone the first time we play together.

What's the best reason you can think of to town read Lime Coke and myself?
What's the best reason you can think of to suspect us? (if you have more to add beyond what you just said)

Well, I'd say that Lime Coke's got himself riled up in a way I don't see from wolves too often in addition to the thread reads I've stated. I guess another good point, if I had to sheep Jimmy here, is that a lot of Lime Coke's reads if he's mafia are incredibly boxin' unless his teammates are deep, so although I don't think that's a concrete reason to town read someone as inexperienced wolves often box themselves, it's still somethin' I mostly agree with would be a small point in Lime Coke's favor. As for you, the biggest reasons I can think t'town read you is that I town read Jimmy and he town reads you pretty strongly, and you've had a few strong thoughts I think would be a bit difficult for a wolf to fake, such as making it a point several times that you are attemptin' to make more covert reads/plays.

For Lime Coke, I just still feel like the dude is underwhelmin' in his reads and it feels like coastin'. His opening read like nervous energy to me and he seems to be trying hard to appeal to specific people. For you, it's mostly your handlin' of Jimmy's slot I find a bit weird. I know you explained earlier, but not wantin' to out a town read on him when he was gettin' a bit of heat even though it was obvious was a bit concernin' to me and felt weirdly coy. I also feel like you've played around this triad thing kind of like how I would as wolf, but I get that that's not exactly a fair read.

Anyways, I can feel myself driftin' off a bit here so I'll be back tomorrow. If there's anymore questions, feel free to ask and I'll get to 'em when I return.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:00 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:57 pm If someone could ask me a few questions or somethin' to help me get on some sorta track that'd be swell

There are twelve people remaining in the game that you need to sort. Who are the 2-3 you currently have the least confident reads on? Besides G-man.

Good question. I'd say my least confident reads right now are you and Lime Coke. I thought Lime Coke's openin' was suspicious and nothin' swayed me one way or the other, but the way the town reads from various other slots kept evolving on him for no discernible reason in my opinion might mean threadspewed town. I thought you were town to start off with but I'm less confident on it now. I think if there's a wolf being mostly town read you're the first guy I'd look at. I guess my problem is that a lot of your solvin' is poking and prodding and I don't feel like I've seen any real results from that yet.