The Syndicate

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:11 pm I forgot to say 69.

70/100 posts. 70% chance Gavial flips mafia goon. 30% chance he flips wolf PR.

I don't know what Visor is. A bit suspicious of Zack and SPF but it's nebulous. I have more reasons to townread SPF than I do to townread Zack.

I don't townread any of Hally, Dya, KZA. Hally's seemed off and deflated all game, plus their solving has been a bit rigid to me. Already talked about it before. Dya's been too self-conscious for my liking. I'm growing tired of the argument vs nutella, it doesn't seem to amount to anything and I have no idea how it supposedly helps dya get reads on people (if it does at all). Some people have been saying dya gets better with time so I hope to see that d2+. KZA just hasn't done anything whatsoever.

Alison hard null, I have no idea.

Still hard townreading Amy. Hard townreading Tangrowth at this point as well. Townreading Marl, Arete, nutella. Townleaning Dizzy and c4.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:11 pm i feel like gavial is probably gonna go over regardless of what i do with the remaining time we have, and that's fine. he was wolfy at the start of the game and he's being deliberately antagonistic/troll-y now and i should probably just cross my fingers and hope that my initial read on him was correct. vulgard having a supposed ~godread~ on him helps a little bit too

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:44 pm i think there are non zero worlds where seth is a villager
but he is way >>>rand wolf and in the worlds where he is a villager this d1 will get him voted in lylo every single time anyway if he doesn't die today

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:53 am Marl and dya voting Gavial in the exact same moment makes them partners deciding to commit and bus Gavial. Trust.

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:04 am Seth, you have forgotten me. You have forgotten yourself and so forgotten me. Look inside yourself Seth. You are more than what you have become. You must find your place in the chop chop method. Remember who you are. You are my son and the one true king. Remember... who you are...

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:48 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am @dyachei
Why do you SR me exactly?
Is it because of my hair?

it's because compared to the town game that alison linked of yours, you're not playing the game or making any reads

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:39 am @Gavial If you're town, please scum hunt and give reads from your own perspective. Much more constructive than arguing against other people's reads!

Now is your chance to shine!

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:00 am

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:58 am wheres your head at dya,

some sort of tier/reads list would be nice?

my head is at annoyed that I can't play a game with friends without being told that my way of playing is shitty, anti-town, or wolfy

Villa
Tangy

Villa Lean
Amy
c4

Don't know where to place
nutella
visor

W lean
Gavial
alison

W

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:45 am it's mostly the vibes i get from hally and alison on that page
they control like 60% of the page's posts and they dont really interact at all

also the second bit
dya is on alison
galvial is on dya
tan and arete crossvoting
hally pushing seth

it justs feels like most of the poe is attacking the poe, whereas i'd expect the stronger villagers in the poe to have a significantly different perspective but that doesn't seem to be the case
whether it's w/w or wolves attacking the lhf in the poe i'm not sure yet

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:05 am if gav is town my desire to kill alison rises exponentially

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:29 am i think that nutella, marluxion, vulgard, amy, tangy, and c4 is a pool of names that has one wolf maximum. that's my village core for today. starting to feel less confident with my solving in the people outside of that core, but this is a fine start

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:27 am oh he's

lolcatting?

maybe?

idk man i regret refreshing thread tbh

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:26 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:18 am IDK Marmot’s Town I guess

this post killed me instantly

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:20 am

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:14 am

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:12 am

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:11 am

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:09 am

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:04 am ...so the good news is that Gavial's town stocks are rapidly rising

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the bad news is that Gavial's town stocks are rapidly rising

is that really all it takes? i’m not denying he’s getting better in the sense that he’s making posts but the posts still suck and don’t seem like v!him

I mean it's not at a lock yet but his posts make me want to repeatedly hit my head against the nearest wall which is usually a good sign that he's town

this is the opposite of what i wanted to hear

why

when I said 'Seth's meta is that when he's town it makes you want to bash your head against the wall' near SoD did you not believe me

i mean, i’ve seen his village game and i would say he usually makes people want to bang their heads against a wall by having wolf reads that he pushes aggressively without listening to anyone else and generally being all over the place

i’m not feeling that in his posts this game. he’s making me want to facepalm, not bash my head into a wall

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:14 am @Gavial - give me a quick rundown of all the reads you have right now, please? as much detail as you can provide

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:59 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:26 pm I'm perhaps not going to come close to matching a fair portion of this playlist through sheer reads and/or solving methods. That's not really my strength, especially this early on, and even more so with people I don't know and entering a tense environment with an intimidating playerlist that I felt and feel more so on the outer edges of for the most part. I understand why people are explaining pleasantries as things I do, and I appreciate the kind thoughts that underlie such an association, so thanks, really. It is very important to me that people are having fun, particularly with such an enamored group of players, but I do think I may have been less concerned about the discordance in such a way that it would be easier to find my footing if I had TMI right now, even if I'd still try to put everyone at more ease publicly. As it stands... I just sort of feel like I'm dipping my toes in the pool, trying to get a feel for things, and if that means people are going to be hesitant to town read me because I'm hurling softballs or whatever, that's fine I guess, but I just don't feel like waiting for me to produce is a good way to find me as town. I guess I don't know where I fit in with this town at all yet, and that's not a comforting spot to be in... I like feeling like I have a specific purpose. I realize someone could just say well, make reads, do your own thing, but I am not going to force reads that I don't have (hence the questions), and I don't function well in a corner. I'm not expecting anyone to help me with that, it's my place to try to optimize how I can help win us this game, just musing aloud about it. I'm probably >rand in terms of being a self-oriented person, and I'll try to keep such perspective to a minimum and let you all figure me out or find me however you'd like, but I have a direct responsibility to make myself easier to find from my end too, and I wanted these things said nonetheless because I feel like at least some players will struggle to find me based on what's been said already. Anyway, without further ado, a reads list.

Strong town
Dizzy - As the player I know the second best out of everyone here, it's natural that I have thoughts here. Dizzy could do anything as scum, I'm convinced, and he could do anything as any alignment to some extent, lol. Wide range is accurate. He's fooled me embarrassingly before, but I don't know, I think the universe in which Dizzy assessed his place in this game with a town role card better matches his behavior thus far than if he were scum. This is mostly driven by a self-centered read actually, so I suppose while it's close to strong now it could also be the most subject to volatility with additional factors, but he and I have a long-standing joke about how we never role the same alignment (I swear it's true though), and I was anxiously awaiting how he would interact with me with an entrance here. I think the way he played to me here reads pretty genuine. The way he played to the thread is worthy of a light town read (update: with his recent posting, I probably feel even better about this particular assessment, he seems carefree). I also think this re: Gavial seems unnecessary if he's scum. I'm not worried about Dizzy right now, even if I maybe should be.
nutella - I wouldn't say nutella has an "easy" meta by any means because I think that's disrespectful to her abilities to play a variety of approaches as a seasoned vet, but she does have a tendency to just scream I'M A VILLAGER to me emotionally (and apparently to others whether through emotions and/or her methodology) when she actually is, and it's understandable that she has a hard time matching that as scum fairly often. To say the least, town nutella, that's what I'm seeing here. She is just oozing genuine emotion about the game, her position, I already thought she was seeming town given the "situation" earlier, but ever since then a lot of her posts have spoken to me. I can try to elaborate upon this when I have more time if it's warranted, but yeah, I'll just play the "I've known nutella for over 10 years and I trust myself enough at this point to be able to read her" card whenever I do feel strongly about her alignment, and that is the case right now (insert disclaimer about reassessment). Please do not yeet her.

Moderate town
Vulgard - This is the solving that just seems... very natural to me. I guess I'm not the only one, so I'm probably sheeping that to some extent too, to what degree I'm not sure. I agree with him about Arete seeming cautious, and I share some of the same concerns (Hally) and I think the recent approach towards spf seemed >rand hard to fake. I also like the lines of questioning, like here. Sort of a no-brainer town read, but not willing to put him up in strong yet.
Zack (bronana) - Zack seems fine, I need to interact with him to better sort him, but I skim through his ISO and it seems believable enough as solving (and shitposting), but this is my favorite Zack post for sure, it just smells like the town Zack indignation I'd expect. I suppose it helps that I don't currently have a town read on c4 myself. I don't sense an agenda in Zack's posts.

Light town
Alison - This is an incredibly light read, but between Alison's declaration of no reads and the way came to the discussed suspicion here are believable as genuine town Alison thoughts. I think she may feel more pressure to tryhard if she were scum. However, she also can and will throw out town reads like they're candy and come to some unique perspectives when she's town from what I've seen, so I don't want to unfairly hold her to a standard, but I am sort of checking my watch waiting for her to get truly invested to assess a better read.
dya - I read their frustration as genuine even if I'm not sure if it's really alignment indicative at all. Beyond that, I see enough "poke" statements for lack of a better term that I like that GTH I'd sort them as town.
spf - Lots of genuine gear turning and poking and pushing the thread, and based on what has been said about her (more "words" as scum), this seems to align more with a theory of town spf.
Visor (outed wolf) - As much as I've interacted with Visor from time to time, have we actually played together? I can't remember. Anyway, Visor seems legit. This is probably the most reliant on soul read of my light towns.

POE
Amy - Amy's doing things and I feel this placement is sort of unfair to her, but I'm just not getting there on her at all yet, and that's probably a me problem, and I'd like to bridge the gap. Her tone is fine, she has made some efforts to solve, I just don't see them as genuine or anything yet and I can't place her emotions anywhere. I'm still sort of clueless as to why she's getting townread. She has 35 posts and I can't really tell anything AI at all in them personally, and that's a bit concerning.
Arete - I don't know whether I buy Arete's push on me or not still, something isn't squaring with me about it and I'm not sure how to clarify. The policy push on Dizzy is just bad at face value, but I'm not sure whether it makes them wolfy.
c4 - I think I can get somewhere to find c4, but as of now nothing. The reads list is somewhat opposed to mine, I'd like to try and figure out and reconcile some differences of opinion.
Gavial - Yikes, this ISO is a nothingburger. An easy d1 yeet candidate. I just don't think alignment can be assessed unless Gavial (Seth?) steps up his game. I also defer somewhat to you who know him better.
Hally - I'm sad to report this, but I'm not feeling Hally yet and I really need to talk to them. I appreciated their explanation of Arete's push of me but I'm having trouble seeing eye to eye with them about that. We agree about nutella and Vulgard, but I'm not really sure how Hally reached those conclusions enough to make a determination. I might GTH them town so they're probably the person in my POE I least want to vote out right now, but I still couldn't place them in the above category.
KZA - I'm not sure what to do with this ISO at this time. Help.
Marluxion - I'm not sure what to do with this ISO at this time. Help.
sunbae - This is the battle of my brain and my heart... for sunbae. My brain says sure, he's town, but my heart says no (and whacks the town read away), so I guess he drops to here? I'm not sure where to place him, maybe he needs his own "sunbae???" category. There are complex thoughts and gears turning, but I don't sense a town agenda yet. I'm not sure how to explain it, but it feels off to me, he doesn't emotionally match what 1 day we had in the Voxx 9er and I'm not sure I believed his thoughts on spf were real. I don't need him to like, spend time convincing me, I'm hoping and assuming a light switch will go off at some point.

I don't have enough of a sense to sort within tiers, so they're alphabetical for now. Maybe I'm concentrating too much on people I know and being fooled, lol.

These feel mostly like foggy thoughts outside of nutella, so this isn't presented in a way that's supposed to be anything but ranting (and trying to keep it short, oops) about a lot of cogs in motion, but due to the nature of this game and the post cap, I thought it'd be better to spectate and at least try and collect my thoughts to create a reads list and say some things, and then try to interact and post in a more preferred way.

Also, hi @Dyslexicon! I'd say sheep nutella if you'd like, I trust her and she seems to have an increasing handle on the game affairs. I am really excited to be on the same side here... I think it's true!? I hope.

like look at her dizzy read, it's not just based on meta, but how dizzy's interacting with tangy, the thread, and how he's treating a lhf

same with most of his town reads, even the ones i disagree with like alison

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:04 am ...so the good news is that Gavial's town stocks are rapidly rising

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the bad news is that Gavial's town stocks are rapidly rising

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:02 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:59 am

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:48 am ...still catching up but at some point within the past ?few minutes? Gavial seems to have silently voted me on the poll, and not in the thread, despite literally never mentioning me at any point previously

which is baffling and kind of makes me think that he's badly attempting to spew me as his partner? or something?

I’m Town, so no.
I’m voting you because I know how good you can be.

okay so just to confirm

you're voting me over any of your actual wolfreads for the sole reason that you think I'm a competent wolf

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:48 am ...still catching up but at some point within the past ?few minutes? Gavial seems to have silently voted me on the poll, and not in the thread, despite literally never mentioning me at any point previously

which is baffling and kind of makes me think that he's badly attempting to spew me as his partner? or something?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:11 am gavial and dyachei are mafia teammates

place ur bets folks

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:59 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:50 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:49 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:47 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:46 pm i think it's w/v

Why can't it be V/V?

because neither of you are villagery. you least of all

Let's say I flip green right now and my arguments that Gavial has been essentially NAI this game are proven to be made in good faith. Are you going to treat him as outed wolf because we're "W/V"?

no, i'm going to treat him as a wolf because his iso in that other game is a lot villagerier than this game and it's not just about whether he posts or not?

why would you flipping green mean you were right on gavial? you've already shown me you can't compare likes

i feel like dya's narrative doesn't make sense at all

they're trying to find reasons to call alison wolf over gavial while never denying that gavial is a wolf except in the explicit w/v post which doesn't fit with the rest of their posts

Hally wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:57 pm gavial, what are your reads? how much have you read?

Hally wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:55 pm i don’t think alison would see shielding gavial as a good play even if he’s a wolf PR because it obviously wouldn’t work

but i agree that’s probably the only scenario where her approach makes at least a bit of sense as w/w

if gavial is a goon i think alison is probably just a villager

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:42 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.

Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.

now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange

yeah i guess. the argument against my previous post is if gav is a wolf PR

that could make sense. when alison bussed tim/hk in modern family, the day janitor use was a tradeoff that made it worth it in her eyes. if seth is a pr i can imagine her hard shielding him instead

hm have to think about this a bit more

regardless [VOTE: gavial] aubergine

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:19 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:17 pm I think SPF is scum over Hally.

why's that?