The Syndicate

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Town
I said this in wc and would've said it in here if I had ever found a good time and place to

Y'all need hugs

Btw if you thought I was w/w with Axe today you were gonna think it so much more tomorrow if you got me

I uh, wrote some certain posts that I gave Hally in wc lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:05 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:04 am Awarding myself town MVP tho for my axe and c4 reads shaddap I'm mvp deal with it lmao

Dude
Dude the fuckin
The thing you said about us clearing Nook
LMAO

Which thing was that?

You said we were potentially wolves spewing that we thought Nook would be consensus clear when he wasn't
Shit

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:04 am Awarding myself town MVP tho for my axe and c4 reads shaddap I'm mvp deal with it lmao

Dude
Dude the fuckin
The thing you said about us clearing Nook
LMAO

HALLY ACTUAL GOAT

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:10 pm let me put it this way

you’ve found me as a villager and i’m saying i tend to read mac very well and think he’s a villager

why would you just ignore my read? do thinks i’m just wrong or what?

1. Town can be wrong
2. Venom & Guns
3. Town can be wrong

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:40 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:35 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:22 pm c4, you really think mac is a wolf? i’m surprised you aren’t reevaluating your mac and nook reads based on today

If your thinking here is "godread dichotomy", godread dichotomies suck and also I don't think Nook's current Mac read is real regardless of his alignment

it’s nothing to do with that, i just think mac has been a lot more villagery than nook today and i’m as good at reading mac as nook is if not better

i mean, you just saw mac play as both alignments recently

you think this is closer to his wolf play?

His wet napkin of a D1? Closer to his wolf play.
His SoD2? Closer to his town play.
I would've townread his tonal frustration/exasperation today if I hadn't seen GoC, but here we are.

Cmon, when people don't have a read you do, the first step is explaining the read yourself, not this.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:22 pm c4, you really think mac is a wolf? i’m surprised you aren’t reevaluating your mac and nook reads based on today

If your thinking here is "godread dichotomy", godread dichotomies suck and also I don't think Nook's current Mac read is real regardless of his alignment

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:16 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:14 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:11 pm if it’s mac/jay we lost from the start lol

but i’ll pretend i knew it all along because i tinfoiled them D2

Mac's play today makes it hard for me to believe in a world where he's a wolf and Axe is town

what about a world where axe is a wolf and mac is town?

Makes plenty sense if the only things I've read this game are those two ISOs but there's always "who else"

I've been holding off on grouping Jay with you/Nook but I really should consider that tinfoil if I do consider it, which means it's a "hard" world as long as it's not Axe/Mac.

Out of you three

Axe and Nook just sitting on Mac like that feels incredibly not w/w even if I don't have a logical reason for this
You're not Axe's partner lmao, you especially don't try to CFD him D1 and unalign him from Alison if you're w/w, that's choosing to go into N1 alone and spew Alison when she was in a rare vulnerable position for her
Jay pushed Axe on and off D1 and then switched to soft shielding D2

So Jay probably most compatible out of you three, which makes me think I wasted my time

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:12 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:52 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @NotAnAxehole @c4e5g3d5

this isn't provocation moreso a genuine question, who is my most likely partner?

It will please you to know that I didn't think your posts about why you should be unaligned from Axe actually unaligned you from Axe at all.

If that's wrong, Jay or I'm misclearing someone. I think your appeals to Jay today have seemed like real appeals, though.

You aren't really doing the town wincon justice today if you are town dude.

I'm thinking through games where we've been v/v and trying to come up with the nice way to cite them as a way to say "chill".

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:11 pm if it’s mac/jay we lost from the start lol

but i’ll pretend i knew it all along because i tinfoiled them D2

Mac's play today makes it hard for me to believe in a world where he's a wolf and Axe is town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:52 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @NotAnAxehole @c4e5g3d5

this isn't provocation moreso a genuine question, who is my most likely partner?

It will please you to know that I didn't think your posts about why you should be unaligned from Axe actually unaligned you from Axe at all.

If that's wrong, Jay or I'm misclearing someone. I think your appeals to Jay today have seemed like real appeals, though.

@JaggedJimmyJay

Mostly I got a whole lotta nothin

Nook's read on Mac goes god knows where god knows when god knows why, at least it clearly isn't static but I can't tell you much more than that and I literally just read through it
Mac's read on Nook seemingly... doesn't exist until today? Just searching "Nook" in his ISO at least

This post tho

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:32 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:31 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:24 pm I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

This is a little wack

My entrance was actually super townie but only axe and mac are gonna recognize it lol

It's a kind of hint hint wink wink that I don't think is w/w

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:47 pm @c4e5g3d5 how would you describe the differences between your town game and your mafia game?

I think as town there are just more shits given? I care more about having good reads, I care more about convincing people I'm right, I care more about clearing myself. My town play tends to vary less than my wolf play, but my wolf play always falls short regardless of whatever stylistic changes I might adopt.

Like in the mentor game, all I did was

1. Project a relaxed/natural and simultaneously confident tone that made people willing to ignore me until it was too late
2. Bus

And there were those things and also me getting miscleared as a neo peek that got me the F3 win, but if you look at my actual solving, my reasons for reads are always in the okay-to-bad range whenever I'm not bussing, and I clearly don't care whether or not anyone else agrees. Two entire cycles were spent shitposting.

Also my most recent wolf game was one on POG where I don't think I posted more than 20 times on any day after D1 so volume cleared ggez

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:40 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:56 pm @c4e5g3d5 why did your suspicion of me increase when I asked you for your suspects

I didn't believe that "What are this one player's wolf reads?" was your first priority when you came back to the thread, over either giving your own thoughts or talking about anything that had happened in the day so far. It just looked like going straight to what's always the obvious thing to push me with, without wanting to admit it.

I was just seeing if you'd POE'd yourself to death like in PSY 2310. You had exactly one option for a mafia team, and it's the one you adopted in response (so that specific moment does not reflect you outing yourself).

My wolf game is bad but not that bad smh

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:25 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:41 pm @c4e5g3d5 who are your suspects

Think it's Axe/Mac

Mac's treatment of Axe is almost too compatible to be compatible
Starts by looking for a way tovote outside of him/Axe, thread isn't receptive, switches to setting up potential Axe partners in response
Later townreads Axe again but jumps on the first chance to tie me to him

Mac citing something he knows is completely NAI for me, then going "I don't remember you doing <list of half of what I've done this game>", comes off as deliberately obtuse

Also because I think you're townier than both of them, but this post from you made me question that lmao.

didn’t everything in this post happen today? what about the previous days?

Previous days tell me you and Nook are town, and that Jay hasn't knocked his towniness out of the park as much but has been pretty well townread by dead town. I'm not gonna go over everything ever every time I talk.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:23 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:57 pm Discouraging wagons

why were the wagons discouraging

Because they were Dizzy and Mac
I really should've voted Mac but Hally gave me hope

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:56 pm @c4e5g3d5 why did your suspicion of me increase when I asked you for your suspects

I didn't believe that "What are this one player's wolf reads?" was your first priority when you came back to the thread, over either giving your own thoughts or talking about anything that had happened in the day so far. It just looked like going straight to what's always the obvious thing to push me with, without wanting to admit it.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:39 pm what does that read even mean

What the words say it means. I thought Axe was having more fun making reads and less fun just annoying people. That's how I normally read slots like his that just refuse to cooperate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:06 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:03 pm @JaggedJimmyJay

Have you said your issues with me with words

Can we start there now that we're in LyLo

You are a suspect by POE. I don't find it that hard to believe you can be mafia given your relatively emotionless play. You've provided keen insights, but the vast majority to my memory have been of the town reads variety and require only that you be paying attention. I've seen slots like I perceive yours to be flip mafia with reasonable enough regularity.

Aight

Can't help with these other than say they're individually NAI for me and how I regularly get MLed

@JaggedJimmyJay

Have you said your issues with me with words

Can we start there now that we're in LyLo

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:30 pm I think Nanook's EOD2 frustration was real, which would suggest he was really frustrated about the state of game mechanics (which would be town-indicative given the mechanics were town-aligned). I am tempted to call him town and just move on from that, which is what leads me to my three suspects. I don't want to completely shut the door though, so if anyone has a protest for this logic or generally town reading Nanook I will listen to you.

Indeed

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:07 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:54 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:46 pm i’m skimming c4’s iso in the mentor game and he seems like a better wolf than i was giving him credit for

Smfh. Okay, now that you already have it open, note that literally the towniest, hardest-to-make observation I make in that entire game is the one where I call Poggie >rand v at SoD1.

i agree your depth of thought this game is definitely better

your posts there seem pretty good tonally though and the competition this game is much better so i assume you would up your game here since you wouldn’t be playing against a town of mostly potatos

If you can use this to shoot down any argument I'm town, we'll be here all day.

I've wolfed in scary lists before. You've seen how it goes.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:46 pm i’m skimming c4’s iso in the mentor game and he seems like a better wolf than i was giving him credit for

Smfh. Okay, now that you already have it open, note that literally the towniest, hardest-to-make observation I make in that entire game is the one where I call Poggie >rand v at SoD1.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:41 pm @c4e5g3d5 who are your suspects

Think it's Axe/Mac

Mac's treatment of Axe is almost too compatible to be compatible
Starts by looking for a way tovote outside of him/Axe, thread isn't receptive, switches to setting up potential Axe partners in response
Later townreads Axe again but jumps on the first chance to tie me to him

Mac citing something he knows is completely NAI for me, then going "I don't remember you doing <list of half of what I've done this game>", comes off as deliberately obtuse

Also because I think you're townier than both of them, but this post from you made me question that lmao.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:19 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:04 pm If y'all are really all in on this team

Alison never doesn't tunnel me sometime before EoD1 when I wolf against her. She cleared me this game.
Hally's been snap calling my alignment SoD1 every game since like July. Guess what they did this game?

There's literally one dead villager that didn't have me as almost clear.

I'm miles out of my wolf range. I never come up with my Alison read as a wolf. I never come up with my Jay read as a wolf. I never come up with my Dizzy read as a wolf. I never handle Dizzy's soft like that as a wolf. I'm not proud of it, but I can never case that much town that intricately as a wolf.

There are plenty of games where I deserve to be MLed, and then there's this game. Please.

What Alison read. What Jay read. What Dizzy read. What Dizzy soft. I recall no intricate case making from you.

You have lost all "I don't remember it therefore it doesn't exist" privileges.

If you're not sick of hearing it yet

Oh my god.

noraplus;5676175 wrote:It probably makes sense in a vacuum

Where it breaks down is "nora w" though lol I think I'm pretty obvious and I think the discussion should start at that being true or false

And when tf did I get a reputation, I need to know for ego purposes

noraplus;5676192 wrote:

foxfalls;5676182 wrote:

noraplus;5676175 wrote:It probably makes sense in a vacuum

Where it breaks down is "nora w" though lol I think I'm pretty obvious and I think the discussion should start at that being true or false

And when tf did I get a reputation, I need to know for ego purposes

why do you think it's impossible?

also i havent seen ur wolf game but people tell me ur an excellent town and i would be scared to wolf against you personally, so that's mostly where that bit of paranoia comes from that you have survived so long

As in why am I obvious?

Egix
Consistent analytical depth and clearly trying to steer the thread in the right direction
I think I pretty obviously believe my Naomi read, EoD2 in particular

And even with games where I've stomped the wolves out of existence I haven't gotten NKed in months lol

This was me, Mac was in this game, and this was like two weeks ago.

If y'all are really all in on this team

Alison never doesn't tunnel me sometime before EoD1 when I wolf against her. She cleared me this game.
Hally's been snap calling my alignment SoD1 every game since like July. Guess what they did this game?

There's literally one dead villager that didn't have me as almost clear.

I'm miles out of my wolf range. I never come up with my Alison read as a wolf. I never come up with my Jay read as a wolf. I never come up with my Dizzy read as a wolf. I never handle Dizzy's soft like that as a wolf. I'm not proud of it, but I can never case that much town that intricately as a wolf.

There are plenty of games where I deserve to be MLed, and then there's this game. Please.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:44 pm My read on wilgy is predicated on the density of his posting and that I thought he was softing bp early in the game if its now just based on density idk if I believe it or not but I feel like I've come too far to change my mind now

Don't super love that he rescinded the claim before he could get nked tho lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:52 pm Why would you make him claim again wtf

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:52 pm Anyways I hard CC put me over today idc

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:52 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:52 pm Why would you make him claim again wtf

Because he's about to get chopped

HE ALREADY CLAIMED DONT FUCKING MAKE HIM DO IT AGAIN JESUS CHRIST

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:53 pm can't stand the fps claims

And I can't stand mechanical incompetence, yet here we fucking are

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:56 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:54 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:53 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:52 pm Anyways I hard CC put me over today idc

then vote wilgy

No we should never kill either of us

wtf are u doin pal

My best

Nook is town.

Nook pretending not to know Wilgy's the princess as intricately as he did in the highlighted post is a step wolves just skip. It doesn't make it look any more like a swap at a glance, and it's maybe the most effective thing he can do to pull the swap off if he's town.
Nook's handling of the swap is just really tonally raw and under the time pressure of EoD. Reads like he really thought he could salvage the swap last second with that first post.

Nook is town.

If it's Hally/Jay I accept the loss anyway lol

Yall are braver than I am

I'm standing by the Nook clear. I'l case it when I have more time.

Axe can be a wolf but I sure as hell can't so if you could get that team out of your heads for me rq that would be nice.

Sorry for not being louder @Dyslexicon. It felt like an increasingly obvious mistake as the EoD went on.

I have two clears. I'll be giving them due diligence, but in the meantime

Axe
Jay
Mac

Who in here can be unaligned?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:32 pmcan we sleep?

We can't

And Nook is in fact town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:58 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:57 pm i really don’t know what’s going on

both mafia fake claimed BP in a game they know there isn't one

They seem not w/w on play

Discouraging wagons

I'm not voting Nook today.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:50 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:50 pm wilgy faked a BP claim when it looked like he was going down so he could try to read reactions and see who the real BP is

there’s no reason a villager does that

@DrWilgy You need to HARD CLAIM bp if you are one

Aye, fine.

This is the hard claim. I'm it and ther'll b3 2 cycles.

I recended when I saw nook post thinking there's a chance to avoid double night.

Oh my god.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:50 pm I've never been one for derptells.

BUT.

I'm alittle baffled that you'd think a wolf would flub around the hammer like I did day 1.

Genuinely not knowing how many it takes to hammer literally isn't even an AI mistake

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:50 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:48 pm Yeah

oh you mean the soft

Yeah

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:46 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:43 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:43 pm Nook's claim was towny

I don't get why people think Wilgy's was

Nook didn't claim, what do you mean

He did tho?

just now? in the last hour?

Yeah

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:45 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:44 pm Like that's literally how you bait the actual princess

If the actual princess claims we are already in much more trouble. Why would actual princess claim for a single yeet as long as they aren't a counter wagon?

Idk maybe to not let people solve on the assumption that you're town for a bunch of cycles?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:43 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:43 pm Nook's claim was towny

I don't get why people think Wilgy's was

Nook didn't claim, what do you mean

He did tho?

Like that's literally how you bait the actual princess

Nook's claim was towny

I don't get why people think Wilgy's was

Am I actually gonna vote Axe

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:36 pm Is this where we flash wagon c4

Apparently