The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:22 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:16 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:11 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:10 pmmeaningless to persue.
Absolutely not.
Time is finite tho
I get that it's better to err on the side of more discussion, but it's tinfoil and tinfoil alone on a truly petty point that still isn't on track to turn into anything useful pages later.
I disagree wholeheartedly. If we have concerns, it is better to voice them and allow them to play out than to remain silent.
Tinfoil is perfectly healthy when you voice it and then put it in its rightful place as tinfoil. Unfortunately people don't really do that.
Sure. Pursue suspicions responsibly. But to say something is “meaningless to pursue” is counterproductive and dismissive.

Fair enough

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:21 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:17 pm I do not understand the votes on me!
I believe it stems from your general unwillingness to engage with the game in a meaningful way.

That and egregious name salad

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:16 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:11 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:10 pmmeaningless to persue.
Absolutely not.
Time is finite tho
I get that it's better to err on the side of more discussion, but it's tinfoil and tinfoil alone on a truly petty point that still isn't on track to turn into anything useful pages later.
I disagree wholeheartedly. If we have concerns, it is better to voice them and allow them to play out than to remain silent.

Tinfoil is perfectly healthy when you voice it and then put it in its rightful place as tinfoil. Unfortunately people don't really do that.

@staypositivefriend you still there? What's your take on Chop?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:11 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:10 pmmeaningless to persue.
Absolutely not.

Time is finite tho
I get that it's better to err on the side of more discussion, but it's tinfoil and tinfoil alone on a truly petty point that still isn't on track to turn into anything useful pages later.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:07 pm like I never, as town, think "what would I be doing as scum here"

It's the kind of thing spf says when trying to think of what scum would think and she's trying to see Sloon's POV of herself, meaningless to persue.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:53 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:51 pm Alright not that pelts matter this game but KZA gets a pelt.
Who has KZA earned a pelt for?

Bo. You get it too.

Alright not that pelts matter this game but KZA gets a pelt.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:47 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:46 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:39 pm Esooa
Daughter
spf
Martin
Alison
ChopChop
Jack
Sloon

Mac
KZA
Dom
Sawyer
Grogu
TSP
falcon
Sd

Nanook
Marmot
Rej
Urist
Wilgy

Poison
Epi
LC
Wait wtf Daughter? That's salady af.
Salady?

As in name salad. You just put the 1-poster as your second top town lolno. [VOTE: Bo] aubergine

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:28 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:26 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:25 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:22 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:21 pm BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread
yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?
w
v
why
Opportunistic agenda'd little shit
A form of TWTBAW, already getting lots of flak for fucking around and decides to fuck around even more

@TonyStarkPrime

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:44 pm Speaking of, English — can you explain your chop read?

One sec lemme dig it up

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:39 pm Esooa
Daughter
spf
Martin
Alison
ChopChop
Jack
Sloon

Mac
KZA
Dom
Sawyer
Grogu
TSP
falcon
Sd

Nanook
Marmot
Rej
Urist
Wilgy

Poison
Epi
LC

Wait wtf Daughter? That's salady af.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:37 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:23 pm Esooa
spf
ChopChop
Jack

Mac
KZA
Grogu
TSP
falcon
Sd
Rej

Poison
Epi
Alison
Sloon
Urist
Bo

LC
Dom

Unsorted:
Daughter
Wilgy
Marmot
Martin
Nanook
Sawyer
can you talk about long con, bo, and urist for me?

LC you can find in a few places in my ISO. Bo is semi-existant and as far as I can tell the case is a combination of "slanker" and """vibes""", so he gets a frustrating null. I can at least see how Urist is getting where they're getting, just no special town moments yet and that tinfoil stuff.

Esooa
spf
ChopChop
Jack

Mac
KZA
Grogu
TSP
falcon
Sd
Rej

Poison
Epi
Alison
Sloon
Urist
Bo

LC
Dom

Unsorted:
Daughter
Wilgy
Marmot
Martin
Nanook
Sawyer

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:49 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:48 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:46 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:45 pm Hey @Esooa wanna talk about Jack? I'm suddenly liking him a lot and don't know if I'm crazy.
I don't really have any thoughts or cares about his posts rn in either direction
They're interspersed with so many super genuine lines. Like that thing about not wanting to do trust falls or that thing about how he thinks he can read Sloon.
not seeing it

those lines are trivially fakeable

Everything is trivially fakeable, it's about would not could.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:46 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:45 pm Hey @Esooa wanna talk about Jack? I'm suddenly liking him a lot and don't know if I'm crazy.
I don't really have any thoughts or cares about his posts rn in either direction

They're interspersed with so many super genuine lines. Like that thing about not wanting to do trust falls or that thing about how he thinks he can read Sloon.

Hey @Esooa wanna talk about Jack? I'm suddenly liking him a lot and don't know if I'm crazy.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:39 pm Sir, we're playing a fun game, so maybe just get off your high horse and treat others like human beings.

Alison had a point.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:33 pm foresight and dom should probably stop talking to each other for the next 24 hours for thread health reasons.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:34 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:47 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:14 pm My experience is a bunch of games, most on AoPS, some on MU, and I'm looking for AI posts like a normal person.
What the fresh hell does this mean? Vague on vague on vague. I am not entertained.
[VOTE: C4] aubergine
"I have played mafia before. I look for alignment indicative posts"
This totally sidesteps the question. It doesn't do anyone justice. When called out on this, C4 launched into a rip against me saying I picked it up for BTSC_{[citation needed]}, saying that I am being coached_{[citation needed]}, and that I am just repeating everything he is saying about me_{[citation needed]}.

I'm unclear on why anyone is taking this fool seriously. He might not be bad-- my early read can be wrong. My gut on this vague statement can be a red herring. But his posts are devoid of any analysis or substance.

Okay well at the very least this is never w/w LOL

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:27 pm You literally say "go read my iso" instead of just answering the question.

I give her a direct path to the information Epi's asking for. Epi finds the information immediately. That's called answering a question.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:27 pm This isn't even the thing I said you were vague about. Like you are just pulling shit out of your ass.

Sir we were in the middle of discussing #631 when you entered, please read the debrief packet before asking any more questions.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:05 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:54 pm As I said in the post, it was about the nature of those attacks. There was little to no indication in those posts from Dom that he had even read my posts, especially in the post where he quoted me answering a question to say I dodged a question. Bad attacks with no thought put into them and absolute certainty coming out of them, all coming out simultaneously about the same person, the moment Dom arrived in the thread. Someone told him where to look.

You think wolves would see someone they think is an easy target and send the guy that just got to the thread to push the whole wagon on his own?
You didn't answer the question. Just because you don't know what "specific" means doesn't mean I am wrong.

Alright fuck this here's some receipts.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:14 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:28 pm
Holy fuck are you forced to talk like this or something?

Anyway, ISO me and you should find it pretty quickly.
"Hopefully they'll answer my question"
"no ( : <3"

Above: Epi asks a question.
Middle: I answer the question.
Below: "You didn't answer the question."

Tell me how that is not what happened here before you continue.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:02 pm you are townier than i've ever seen you before. i have no idea what to make of that

I know exactly what to make of that.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:01 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:06 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:56 pm Fuck, fix:

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:53 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:52 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:50 pm what makes you so sure the votes on you are a conspiracy by teamed wolves rather than wrong town or unteamed opportunist wolves
I have nowhere said that there can't be wrong townies on me. What I have said is that there's evidence that my name was brought up as a target in BTSC, and there would be at least one partner joining that push.
where is the evidence
Read #631.
631 is not actually evidence that there are teamed wolves pushing you

for one I have a strong townread on dom and am not convinced at all that the votes on you are a conspiracy, but even if we grant that you are right that dom is looking for reasons to attack you, there is nothing to say that they were concocted in scumchat or that scumchat has other people voting you (as opposed to just giving dom talking points)
As I said in the post, it was about the nature of those attacks. There was little to no indication in those posts from Dom that he had even read my posts, especially in the post where he quoted me answering a question to say I dodged a question. Bad attacks with no thought put into them and absolute certainty coming out of them, all coming out simultaneously about the same person, the moment Dom arrived in the thread. Someone told him where to look.

You think wolves would see someone they think is an easy target and send the guy that just got to the thread to push the whole wagon on his own?
I think if you believe that someone is showing up to repeat words put in his mouth by someone else, that makes more sense if they're the designated messenger, whereas if that someone else was already on the wagon, they would be the first to recite that case and just tell dom to smile and agree.

Eh, all depends how much detail you think wolves would put into their gameplan 6 hours in.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:39 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:38 pm I kinda feel like, based on thread state rn, if Jess is scum a lot of her partners are low posters

Do we know how many mafia there are btw?
I think I agree with this, if she had active partners they'd be simping for her and her biggest defenders are on "this is mostly NAI and I'm bored of it"

Except I exist.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:23 pm foresight accused him of lifting cases wholesale from scum BTSC

Check again. If I thought that, I wouldn't make special note of how people are finding a hundred different reasons to jump on me. The wolf chat only said "c4". Dom took the rest from there.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:06 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:56 pm Fuck, fix:

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:53 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:52 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:50 pm what makes you so sure the votes on you are a conspiracy by teamed wolves rather than wrong town or unteamed opportunist wolves
I have nowhere said that there can't be wrong townies on me. What I have said is that there's evidence that my name was brought up as a target in BTSC, and there would be at least one partner joining that push.
where is the evidence
Read #631.
631 is not actually evidence that there are teamed wolves pushing you

for one I have a strong townread on dom and am not convinced at all that the votes on you are a conspiracy, but even if we grant that you are right that dom is looking for reasons to attack you, there is nothing to say that they were concocted in scumchat or that scumchat has other people voting you (as opposed to just giving dom talking points)

As I said in the post, it was about the nature of those attacks. There was little to no indication in those posts from Dom that he had even read my posts, especially in the post where he quoted me answering a question to say I dodged a question. Bad attacks with no thought put into them and absolute certainty coming out of them, all coming out simultaneously about the same person, the moment Dom arrived in the thread. Someone told him where to look.

You think wolves would see someone they think is an easy target and send the guy that just got to the thread to push the whole wagon on his own?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:57 pm it's getting harder for me to perceive your reasoning as being presented in good faith, even though i'm sure that you will once again perceive me concern about your carelessness in reading my lines as an ~accusation~

Would've thought you would get there before me. His attacks on you have been even worse than his attacks on me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:44 pm By the end of this game I want us to be using a nickname for c4 that is unrecognizable as having anything to do with his actual name.

As if you haven't gotten there already?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:30 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:28 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:26 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:25 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:22 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:21 pm BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread
yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?
w
v
why
Opportunistic agenda'd little shit
A form of TWTBAW, already getting lots of flak for fucking around and decides to fuck around even more
So your "Dom parrots me" thing just didn't hold water and now we're gonna go with this? k.

Oh dw that wasn't an actual attack that was just you being hilarious. The attack has been this since page 13.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:26 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:25 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:22 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:21 pm BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread
yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?
w
v
why

Opportunistic agenda'd little shit
A form of TWTBAW, already getting lots of flak for fucking around and decides to fuck around even more

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:22 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:21 pm BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread
yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?

w
v

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:08 pm Here's why I struggle to accept that spf was satisfied with the results of her reaction test: the only people who had reacted to it were the two people she claims to have been town-reading in the first place. If I were town and in spf's shoes here, this wouldn't be even a remotely satisfying result. I'd want more people to chime in before I deem the reaction test a success. I would not want to run a reaction test early in the game just for the purpose of solidifying my two early town reads. If I did, I would not be holding it up as a productive experience. I also would not be saying it has resulted in a lot of valuable or productive dialogue if the dialogue was just blanket suspicion against me. That can become valuable dialogue, but you need to work to do something with it. I do not see spf doing that.

This is all too reachy. I agree the move was dumb and counterproductive, but this is too convoluted to be useful. I can definitely see this coming from town spf with just a mild amount of stubbornness about how she wants to word it. Plus, spf's "I already explained all of this seven times already please" attitude reads as way too real.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:18 pm Dom is an experienced player who knows what to do as scum. He's not going to pick this many fights if he's bad.

The fuck

You pick fights with people you want to day murder as scum. Experienced scum does that plenty.

The... the LC read was... for joking about being a mason...

I read it and saw nowhere which part would earn this degree of certainty.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:12 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:09 pm Tempted to call Dom a melon eater to see how long it takes for him to call me a melon eater back.
Bruh I called you bad first lol

"Dom was told to push me in BTSC"
Two seconds later
"c4 was told to push me in BTSC"

Tempted to call Dom a melon eater to see how long it takes for him to call me a melon eater back.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:02 pm [VOTE: Dom] aubergine feels like he's just openly fishing for lynches

Welcome aboard.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:58 pm Does C4 strike you as someone who is actually trying to be understood or as someone who is lashing out, being curt, and having zero interest in actual dialogue with other players?

Lol which of you wrote that?

Fuck, fix:

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:53 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:52 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:50 pm what makes you so sure the votes on you are a conspiracy by teamed wolves rather than wrong town or unteamed opportunist wolves
I have nowhere said that there can't be wrong townies on me. What I have said is that there's evidence that my name was brought up as a target in BTSC, and there would be at least one partner joining that push.
where is the evidence

Read #631.

on post_id=737174 time=1614621222 user_id=694]

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:52 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:50 pm what makes you so sure the votes on you are a conspiracy by teamed wolves rather than wrong town or unteamed opportunist wolves
I have nowhere said that there can't be wrong townies on me. What I have said is that there's evidence that my name was brought up as a target in BTSC, and there would be at least one partner joining that push.

where is the evidence
[/quote]

Read #631.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:50 pm what makes you so sure the votes on you are a conspiracy by teamed wolves rather than wrong town or unteamed opportunist wolves

I have nowhere said that there can't be wrong townies on me. What I have said is that there's evidence that my name was brought up as a target in BTSC, and there would be at least one partner joining that push.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:46 pm What does it mean, sweetie? Do educate me.

"Player salad" is when a player throws a bunch of names together without thinking about them. I thought about those names, and it should be obvious how I came up with those four if you just scroll up one post.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 pm I'm sure I'll just be told to read his posts, but does anyone else find that C4's case against Alison?

Fucking prophetic.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:42 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:05 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:01 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:57 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:51 pm scum arent chill or unchill by nature its dependent on player
Okay, I'm willing to actually keep talking about this, but first I'll need input from other people here who are familiar with the site's meta about whether or not it's actually total horseshit to call someone scum for thinking relaxedness is a tell, because this is supposed to be extremely fucking basic and disagreeing is one thing and perfectly fine but then actually making an attack out of someone doing it should be out of the question.
I'm confused. Are you asserting that being "relaxed" is a scum tell?
No, and I don't want to deal with questions that could be resolved by "actually read my fucking post", so please go away.
No <3
I seem to have struck a nerve.

No as in no you won't actually read my fucking post?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:42 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:36 pm Alison, Dom, LC, Urist

At least two teamed wolves there. Alison is a self-described tunneler, so out of them I guess she's the best-looking.
This is a player salad.

Alison, Dom, LC, Urist

At least two teamed wolves there. Alison is a self-described tunneler, so out of them I guess she's the best-looking.

I say that a particular person had a particualr conversation in BTSC to arrive at a particular read. Three people immediately show up with the same read for a hundred different reasons. Nothing to see here.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:22 pm seefore's real nickname should be seymour

I need to start writing these down.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:21 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:15 pm @Esooa, if you're still here, tell me if it's valid or not to scumread someone for saying "relaxation is towny".
idk, I think it can be, cause like I said before, it's a bit weird you town read me for that post specifically, when imo there's probably a lot more reasons to town read me with a more solid basis

So I'm thinking on whether if you're a wolf you would just use those better reasons, and so doing it is towny cause it's something that specifically stood out to you worth noting

Or whether if you're a wolf you'd bring that up to sound insightful like Alison said

Not sure on it, I can see it though, but I think you're probably town atm

You answered nothing. I say "relaxation is towny". Someone says "saying that is scummy because it's fundamentally wrong". Do you call BS?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:21 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:27 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:43 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:49 am Still catching up.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:47 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:08 pm
What is your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for on Day 1?
My experience is a bunch of games, most on AoPS, some on MU, and I'm looking for AI posts like a normal person.
What the fresh hell does this mean? Vague on vague on vague. I am not entertained.
[VOTE: C4] aubergine
Nani the fuck you picked the single least vague post I've made in this entire thread to call vague. Fake read sir.
What do you mean "fake read"? Why is that wolfy? What is "Nani the fuck"?
Fake read: A read that isn't real
Wolfy: Dom wasn't actually trying to evaluate me but was acting like he was
Nani the fuck: Wtf
So literally the exact same thing I scumread Esooa for. Yet you acted like that was outrageous. Nanny fuck what's up?

There's nothing incorrect about Dom's post. "I played games in places, and uh, I try to read posts." LOL yeah that's not vague at all. You're the fake one, Seefore.

Obviously the difference is the reason the read is being called fake. You called a read fake for a reason that anyone who thought for two seconds could explain away. I called a read fake for calling "Hi what's your playstyle" "Hi here's my playstyle" scummy.

@Esooa where'd you go?

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