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c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:23 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:15 pm is that notation at the bottom of your posts supposed to be the first letter for player's usernames in a readslist or something? It's confusing to read
Si

@Marluxion

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:34 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:33 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:28 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:21 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:20 pm c4 is my placement on your list solely because you thought i overexplained that one read? help me help you
Yes
welllllllllllllllllll big shrug then

i can tend towards verbose as both alignments - i largely haven't been this game, and it's mostly been a deliberate choice, but i'm sure that'll change at some point

obviously i don't expect you to take my word on that, the point of this post is p much just "i have seen and acknowledged your scumread on me and intend to simply change your mind about it"
Noted

I probably wouldn't give half a shit under normal circumstances, but the content and context looked particularly worrying.
elaborate?

Like I said, it looked like you were trying way too hard to signal to this crowd of people that know v!Amy that you were v!Amy.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:35 pm find it kind of weird that c4 has just brushed past my posts but has me low

Dw that's the nulls

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:28 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:21 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:20 pm c4 is my placement on your list solely because you thought i overexplained that one read? help me help you
Yes
welllllllllllllllllll big shrug then

i can tend towards verbose as both alignments - i largely haven't been this game, and it's mostly been a deliberate choice, but i'm sure that'll change at some point

obviously i don't expect you to take my word on that, the point of this post is p much just "i have seen and acknowledged your scumread on me and intend to simply change your mind about it"

Noted

I probably wouldn't give half a shit under normal circumstances, but the content and context looked particularly worrying.

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:20 pm c4 is my placement on your list solely because you thought i overexplained that one read? help me help you

Yes

Don't have stamina for depth rn

KZA's play here reminds me of those five or so posts he made in CoV that weren't shitposts so that's nice I guess. Never seen him wolf.
Marl towny on ranges alone.
Apparently nut's a super easy read if you know her meta but I don't so the rest of you guys have fun with that. Slightest of leans because she seemed to unalign herself with a lot of people in that argument.
Visor did things that were fine and had takes that were fine.
spf got better. The godread should be fully baked by EoD so this one's pretty low stakes.
I'll wait until the promised wall to read Tang.
sunbae and Vulgard are just town.

sunbae
Vulgard

Marl
Arete

Zack
spf
Visor

Dizzy
KZA
nut

dya
Hally
Tang
Alison

Amy

Seth

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine
Oh and lolZack if Seth's a wolf he spewed me hardcore.

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:33 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:23 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:15 pm I doubt you've read any game where I was a wolf.
S2G1 because our rep was in it. But mainly general reputation.

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:15 pm Are you expecting me to reach out my hand like Odin and deliver a thunderously calm bolt of lightning at the entire wolf team? You made this read well before even the halfway point of d1. It just seems like BS.
No, I don't expect you to have already nuked the wolves by now. I don't expect Alison, Amy, Arete, dya, Dizzy, Seth, Hally, KZA, Marl, nut, Visor, spf or Tang to have done so either. Interestingly enough, I've locked none of them town.

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:15 pm is that notation at the bottom of your posts supposed to be the first letter for player's usernames in a readslist or something? It's confusing to read
Si
when did i say to lock me town? that's just dismissive snark that doesn't address what I actually said. I think most everyone has me as either neutral or only slightly town or slightly mafia and I haven't given anyone shit about it or said I'm not being townread enough or anything of that nature. If you'd simply expressed a light townread or a null read on me I wouldn't have said anything, it was the "but idk since it's zack" from someone who doesn't know me that set off alarms. If you read S2G1, fair enough I guess, though I have played nothing like that game and it was six years ago anyway.

Fair, but then I don't get wtf the thunderbolt thing has to do with anything.

You have a surface level open/proactive presence that's vaguely towny but that a good wolf could almost certainly recreate. Not the "I have a very particular set of skills" variety, just a level 0 "do thing as town therefore do thing as wolf" thing that just takes a little skill and experience to navigate. Guess what I've heard you have?

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:15 pm I doubt you've read any game where I was a wolf.

S2G1 because our rep was in it. But mainly general reputation.

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:15 pm Are you expecting me to reach out my hand like Odin and deliver a thunderously calm bolt of lightning at the entire wolf team? You made this read well before even the halfway point of d1. It just seems like BS.

No, I don't expect you to have already nuked the wolves by now. I don't expect Alison, Amy, Arete, dya, Dizzy, Seth, Hally, KZA, Marl, nut, Visor, spf or Tang to have done so either. Interestingly enough, I've locked none of them town.

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:15 pm is that notation at the bottom of your posts supposed to be the first letter for player's usernames in a readslist or something? It's confusing to read

Si

Hally wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:28 pm vulgard seems like a villager

No he just is

This is my first time actually having to read Hally, and I'm so glad this is a light game.

Unfortunately their ISO just... went straight through me. Either I've been doing too many ISOs at once, there's nothing interesting to see, or both. They're completely inoffensive I guess. Gonna need to check what issue Vulgard took with them again.

sV A bD dHAA G

Sorta soulread Dizzy v.

Seth is plain bad but apparently it's a low-risk play to ignore him for now.

sV A bD dAA G

There is almost nothing of note to say about dya

They had a couple agreeable reads I guess? But this is definitely a "cya in two cycles" kinda slot to read for now.

sV A b dAA

Most of Zack's stuff would be a lot townier if I didn't know he was Zack.

Kinda like the way he's building a Voltron (shamelessly stealing this phrase from whoever said it), looks like he's actively thinking about town wincon.
His probes look like they're actually meant to be helpful.

sV A b AA

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:45 am Can you compare your takes on Arete's Hally and Tang reads? As in, tell me where/why their handling of Tang is formulaic and where/why their handling for Hally isn't. Because that's the implication of your read. "Pure" vs "genuine but a bit formulaic."

I guess it's the actual motions they went through? With Tang there are clear indicators for what they should do and when. With Hally they just naked vote and later drop the explanation when asked. Seems like there's less room for that to be manufactured.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:43 am Also, what's that part at the end? "sV A AA" I've seen you use it more than once and I have no clue what you mean by that.

That's my ongoing readlist.

It's a terrible idea but nobody can stop me.

Their* their* their* sorry

I feel like the best way I can describe Arete's play so far is "a towny FoLer".

Had the same reaction I did to Hally's early posting
Think their Tang case is flat NAI sorry nut, it's both an easy and understandable observation.

His interactions with Tang seem genuine but also a bit... formulaic? As in, this is the part where you raise the point, this is the part where you probe further, this is the part where you tsundere. Still think it's townier than not, only thing holding me back from townreading it more is that this is a kind of interaction I've seen hundreds of times with this exact structure.

His elaboration around Hally is so pure

sV A AA

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:25 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:23 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:04 am You seem to have a good grasp on reading SPF. Are the things I brought up things she does as town? I've talked about SPF at length already.
So is the stuff you're referring to her takes on me/Hally/nut?

Those all seem like spf takes to me, and it's just a question of what she goes on to actually do with them.
So the things I bolded as TMI indicators are just the way she talks?

Basically.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:04 am You seem to have a good grasp on reading SPF. Are the things I brought up things she does as town? I've talked about SPF at length already.

So is the stuff you're referring to her takes on me/Hally/nut?

Those all seem like spf takes to me, and it's just a question of what she goes on to actually do with them.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:04 am You can barely see the bolded, actually. I mean specifically the statement that "she's one of the easiest reads out there if you know what you're doing."

You seem to have a good grasp on reading SPF. Are the things I brought up things she does as town? I've talked about SPF at length already.

By the way, if someone can link her wolfgames other than CoV, I would still be delighted.

I'll need to go back and check the things you've said about spf first.

Here's a game where spf and I were w/v. The distinction between her ranges was especially clear in this one.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:03 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:15 am She's one of the easiest reads out there if you know what you're doing.
Noting the bolded. What's your read there now, then?

Off the top of my head, her treatment of Tang was kinda sorta like town spf because of the dynamism alone.

Alison's ISO is entirely Alison-indicative

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Amy's Zack read is alright, shows some amount of effort to get whatever she can on paper.

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:41 am I was pretty disengaged from the org game. I'm pretty engaged with this one. I assume both of these things are pretty self-evident.

In the org game I kinda just skimmed the general shape of Sunbae's posts, said "yeah none of this looks particularly clearing", and was surprised when other people disagreed with me. A lot of this was borne from me knowing generally that Sunbae is a great wolf but not necessarily knowing what that actually LOOKS like (which, ftr, is still true lol), so a disengaged Amy was inevitably gonna be cautious about her read there. Other people being less so spooked me.

This game I'm actively reading and following along and paying attention, which... is probably an improvement lmao. I think the way Sunbae led off today with his "lemme just mason Amy" shenanigans felt super pure and I think him replying to you calling him v by specifically saying "I'm annoyed that you can soulread me so well" is a very... it's not what a wolf's first thought would be in that situation, I don't think.

+ I like his big wallpost re-entrance. I haven't really nitpicked it super hard, but on first impression it feels like the wallpost of someone who was trying to take it easy but wound up with too many thoughts, rather than someone forcing thoughts to look towny or whatever

I'd say this is a lot of irrelevant words but she did for me.

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:45 am that was a lot of words to say "good vibes" and "i played like ass in the org game" tbh

but i do feel good about making the read

With that bit of self-consciousness added, it looks like she knows she's in a game with people with meta on her and wants to force the v!Amy perspective for a townread.

Rest of the ISO is a bunch of "this post is technically ok"

sV AA

Can someone explain why everyone's so confident on Amy idgi

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:18 pm Does someone want to talk to me about how to find spf as town (or scum, for that matter)? I saw her play in some of Jay's games I spectated but beyond that I'm at a loss for what she's said so far, it was... thorough. But I don't think I'd call spf a town read or anything.

The best way I can describe it is

As town, she thinks
As wolf, she writes

In her wolf posts, there's some sense of architecture to the ideas, and she writes for show a lot. As town she plays by discovery, and her posts make it obvious she's thinking out loud. She's one of the easiest reads out there if you know what you're doing.

outed wolf wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:53 pm You think this a couple hours into D1?

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:54 pm you think the wolves are trying to shove through a cheap misdunk... 3 hours into a 48 hour d1?

Welcome to Alison
This is a thing that'll happen, don't mind it for now.

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Caught up, strongest reads off of memory are sunbae and Vulgard always town

I remember someone describing a simple straightforward way to read Seth somewhere and I'm blanking on it, anyone here got anything like that?

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:09 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:08 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:02 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:44 pm maybe stop trying to tell me how to play a light fucking game
Someone tell me if dya has any kind of history taking criticism to their wolf game personally
Or I could just

Hey @dyachei
Do you take criticism to your wolf game personally?
I don't take criticisms personally, if that's what you're asking? I do however hate being told how to play mafia. It's a pet peeve of mine

Pet peeve regardless of alignment?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:02 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:44 pm maybe stop trying to tell me how to play a light fucking game
Someone tell me if dya has any kind of history taking criticism to their wolf game personally

Or I could just

Hey @dyachei
Do you take criticism to your wolf game personally?

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:44 pm maybe stop trying to tell me how to play a light fucking game

Someone tell me if dya has any kind of history taking criticism to their wolf game personally

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:07 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:06 pm is now a good time to say that zack's opening post rubbed me the wrong way

probably just not used to him breaking kayfabe, but
in what way did it bother you?

Above: what bothered Amy
Below: "Hey Amy what bothered you?"

Doesn't look like a question actually meant to figure something out

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:26 pm (i actually do sort of townread amy because i think that occam's razor points to her suspicion about zack being genuine)

Just general overexplanation, she could've just said "genuine" and have been done with it.

Little things, but they're things I very distinctly see from her wolf game and not from her town game. Her writing more words than she actually means is a tell I've caught her on quickly before.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:22 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:21 pm Do I actually need to do something proactive about spf
what would you do? and why?

Kill

Because she randed wolf

Do I actually need to do something proactive about spf

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:42 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:35 pm Imagine I'm voting spf for the first time
town

This mean you know why?

Imagine I'm voting spf for the first time

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:55 pm 100 with no lift is gonna be hard

I might have to *gasp* gather multiple thoughts into a single post

unthinkable

Arete you already mixed up zack and nl gg

Sunbae's entrance meh, others basically ok

Don't like c4's reaction to the votes

[VOTE: c4] aubergine
am i not a wolf anymore? and what’s bad about C4’s reaction?

Wait I thought we were doing that thing where we never talk about reasons for things
Why break the pattern here specifically

I understand exactly one of these naked votes
Arete v

Did I just pause posting for exactly two minutes and fifty five seconds

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