The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:14 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:07 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:03 pm Questioning the need for a soup kill is fair, but it was in the OP that there's a soup kill and that claiming role or character is punished. So. Ignoring that isn't really something you can reasonably blame the host for, you were warned, you ignored it, there were consequences
I think this is terrible logic. Especially as a long term mafia player who has experienced many versions of anti claim. There is something called "expected consequences" my experience with it comes from childcare psychology. You say well "you were told something could possible happen, so anything that happened afterwards can't be complained about" which is hilariously absurd. Many standard mafia players would probably set a realistic expectation of "there is an anati claim vig in this game, if we claim it will add one kill per night." Instead what the result ends up being, is an anti claim that literally gives potential for mafia to kill every single living town player in one night. I rolled mafia this game, and I thought to myself "yeah this is going to be the easiest win of my life, there will be at minimum 4-5 kp with this lategame." I also knew every town member was not going to expect this, because it's such an abusrd extreme for a host to apply in his game.

If hosts want to get away from town just mass claiming roles to win, I tend to think the roles/alignments should be balanced around claiming, and not just handing mafia a massive killing tool. Give mafia an entire claimable role list, etc.

I don't tend to enjoy talks like these, but tbh Nanook I've really dislike the attitude you've shown about certain complaints. Especially your response to what Axehole did.
Well said. Is a learning experience nanook, you designed the game for us and volunteered your time therefore I don’t want to sound negative. I appreciate your work and time, but the game had some design flaws.
As mods we all try to make the game have some anticlaim mechanics so a mass claim doesn’t end the game. On the same hand in a game in which roles are not aligned to town or mafia, there is no need… since claiming a town character is not a clearing action…
Did we even have a real cop? You had a role cop instead iirc?
There’s too many scum sided things all at once. That’s all.
Also it looks like there were lots of scum but I could be wrong.
Normally scum can kill 1 person per night to anticlaim. Not 5.

Did they have to guess our role or just the character to kill us?
I also don't want to sound negative, but you're the one who hard-hinted your role even though there was clearly a soup kill described in the setup. You can't blame that on Nook or the game design.

First of all I hinted and claimed aang. Then I claimed once I was set to become the elimination. I defended myself and axe and just claimed since one of us will die and game was in dire needs.
I never even claimed my character. I didn’t think they can kill all of us

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:14 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:07 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:03 pm Questioning the need for a soup kill is fair, but it was in the OP that there's a soup kill and that claiming role or character is punished. So. Ignoring that isn't really something you can reasonably blame the host for, you were warned, you ignored it, there were consequences
I think this is terrible logic. Especially as a long term mafia player who has experienced many versions of anti claim. There is something called "expected consequences" my experience with it comes from childcare psychology. You say well "you were told something could possible happen, so anything that happened afterwards can't be complained about" which is hilariously absurd. Many standard mafia players would probably set a realistic expectation of "there is an anati claim vig in this game, if we claim it will add one kill per night." Instead what the result ends up being, is an anti claim that literally gives potential for mafia to kill every single living town player in one night. I rolled mafia this game, and I thought to myself "yeah this is going to be the easiest win of my life, there will be at minimum 4-5 kp with this lategame." I also knew every town member was not going to expect this, because it's such an abusrd extreme for a host to apply in his game.

If hosts want to get away from town just mass claiming roles to win, I tend to think the roles/alignments should be balanced around claiming, and not just handing mafia a massive killing tool. Give mafia an entire claimable role list, etc.

I don't tend to enjoy talks like these, but tbh Nanook I've really dislike the attitude you've shown about certain complaints. Especially your response to what Axehole did.
Well said. Is a learning experience nanook, you designed the game for us and volunteered your time therefore I don’t want to sound negative. I appreciate your work and time, but the game had some design flaws.
As mods we all try to make the game have some anticlaim mechanics so a mass claim doesn’t end the game. On the same hand in a game in which roles are not aligned to town or mafia, there is no need… since claiming a town character is not a clearing action…
Did we even have a real cop? You had a role cop instead iirc?
There’s too many scum sided things all at once. That’s all.
Also it looks like there were lots of scum but I could be wrong.
Normally scum can kill 1 person per night to anticlaim. Not 5.

Did they have to guess our role or just the character to kill us?
I also don't want to sound negative, but you're the one who hard-hinted your role even though there was clearly a soup kill described in the setup. You can't blame that on Nook or the game design.

First of all I hinted and claimed aang. Then I claimed once I was set to become the elimination. I defended myself and axe and just claimed since one of us will die and game was in dire needs.
I never even claimed my character. I didn’t think they can kill all of us

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:14 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:07 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:03 pm Questioning the need for a soup kill is fair, but it was in the OP that there's a soup kill and that claiming role or character is punished. So. Ignoring that isn't really something you can reasonably blame the host for, you were warned, you ignored it, there were consequences
I think this is terrible logic. Especially as a long term mafia player who has experienced many versions of anti claim. There is something called "expected consequences" my experience with it comes from childcare psychology. You say well "you were told something could possible happen, so anything that happened afterwards can't be complained about" which is hilariously absurd. Many standard mafia players would probably set a realistic expectation of "there is an anati claim vig in this game, if we claim it will add one kill per night." Instead what the result ends up being, is an anti claim that literally gives potential for mafia to kill every single living town player in one night. I rolled mafia this game, and I thought to myself "yeah this is going to be the easiest win of my life, there will be at minimum 4-5 kp with this lategame." I also knew every town member was not going to expect this, because it's such an abusrd extreme for a host to apply in his game.

If hosts want to get away from town just mass claiming roles to win, I tend to think the roles/alignments should be balanced around claiming, and not just handing mafia a massive killing tool. Give mafia an entire claimable role list, etc.

I don't tend to enjoy talks like these, but tbh Nanook I've really dislike the attitude you've shown about certain complaints. Especially your response to what Axehole did.
Well said. Is a learning experience nanook, you designed the game for us and volunteered your time therefore I don’t want to sound negative. I appreciate your work and time, but the game had some design flaws.
As mods we all try to make the game have some anticlaim mechanics so a mass claim doesn’t end the game. On the same hand in a game in which roles are not aligned to town or mafia, there is no need… since claiming a town character is not a clearing action…
Did we even have a real cop? You had a role cop instead iirc?
There’s too many scum sided things all at once. That’s all.
Also it looks like there were lots of scum but I could be wrong.
Normally scum can kill 1 person per night to anticlaim. Not 5.

Did they have to guess our role or just the character to kill us?
I also don't want to sound negative, but you're the one who hard-hinted your role even though there was clearly a soup kill described in the setup. You can't blame that on Nook or the game design.

First of all I hinted and claimed aang. Then I claimed once I was set to become the elimination. I defended myself and axe and just claimed since one of us will die and game was in dire needs.
I never even claimed my character. I didn’t think they can kill all of us

Good game scum, ya did out play us. We couldn’t get anything going.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:33 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:26 pm What’s the tldr on how the mafia figured out the ids of like 6 players?

Claims and then lucky guesses? Night actions?
TSP-> Aang due to Axe
Felicis -> Zuko due to claim
Grogu -> Roku due to softclaims

Then after that there were educated guesses:

I looked carefully through your ISO. You had three pictures of characters, two from relatively early D1, and one from later in the game (Iroh). I guessed the first few were not softs (or fake softs), but the later one might not be. That coupled with the fact that you thought you had some sort of innate immunity made me look carefully at the characters and I guessed you were Iroh based on flavor.

Martin mentioned having 3 actions in 1 night during the storm event. I kind of figured a pretty powerful character would have that, so I guessed Martin was Ozai.

Next up to solve was Bumi - we knew that Falcon wasn't Bumi because Falcon got a picture from HK (Appa was an airbender, Bumi is earth, so they are immune to each other) so it was between Guillo and LC, and I thought LC was more likely, not sure why, but LC was Bumi.

I should have figured out that Falcon was Momo since Falcon claimed the same ability as Appa (that was my bad, I would have gotten a perfect list if I would have remembered that), however i guessed Guillo was Momo just because that would be funny, which left Ty-Lee for Falcon. Those two I got wrong.

Ya didn’t have a death penalty for guessing wrong??? Lmao omg

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:03 pm Questioning the need for a soup kill is fair, but it was in the OP that there's a soup kill and that claiming role or character is punished. So. Ignoring that isn't really something you can reasonably blame the host for, you were warned, you ignored it, there were consequences
I think this is terrible logic. Especially as a long term mafia player who has experienced many versions of anti claim. There is something called "expected consequences" my experience with it comes from childcare psychology. You say well "you were told something could possible happen, so anything that happened afterwards can't be complained about" which is hilariously absurd. Many standard mafia players would probably set a realistic expectation of "there is an anati claim vig in this game, if we claim it will add one kill per night." Instead what the result ends up being, is an anti claim that literally gives potential for mafia to kill every single living town player in one night. I rolled mafia this game, and I thought to myself "yeah this is going to be the easiest win of my life, there will be at minimum 4-5 kp with this lategame." I also knew every town member was not going to expect this, because it's such an abusrd extreme for a host to apply in his game.

If hosts want to get away from town just mass claiming roles to win, I tend to think the roles/alignments should be balanced around claiming, and not just handing mafia a massive killing tool. Give mafia an entire claimable role list, etc.

I don't tend to enjoy talks like these, but tbh Nanook I've really dislike the attitude you've shown about certain complaints. Especially your response to what Axehole did.

Well said. Is a learning experience nanook, you designed the game for us and volunteered your time therefore I don’t want to sound negative. I appreciate your work and time, but the game had some design flaws.
As mods we all try to make the game have some anticlaim mechanics so a mass claim doesn’t end the game. On the same hand in a game in which roles are not aligned to town or mafia, there is no need… since claiming a town character is not a clearing action…
Did we even have a real cop? You had a role cop instead iirc?
There’s too many scum sided things all at once. That’s all.
Also it looks like there were lots of scum but I could be wrong.
Normally scum can kill 1 person per night to anticlaim. Not 5.

Did they have to guess our role or just the character to kill us?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:22 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:19 pm Bruh that soup kill is broken af

Not that it would've changed the endgame anyway, but still pretty bad
Yeah, it's really nice to have in a game where role is connected to alignment though because you need some claim prevention. The issue here is that roles don't matter. People can literally just claim their exact role and defend the actions they took, or make them up if not public knowledge.

This is correct. Lol
I could claim aang and even be peeked as aang and it doesn’t prove I am town. Wtf lol
Some serious design issues

Wtf is over? How many scum were there?

Bo what’s up with you?

Damn axe… why dude. Wow
That’s so fucked up. I had your back man, oh well.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 4:28 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 4:17 pm We should all vote long con. If you are voting for axe you are wrong. I get it he has been wrong himself but he is not a wolf.
Don’t be lazy and vote long con
Fuck no. Not because i townread him because I dont, i actually have no read on that guy, he’s done nothing! There is no info to be gained from his flip.

Yeet Axe!

What info does axe gives us? If he’s town? If he’s a wolf? I doubt axe is ever a wolf. Stop being hard headed

Also stop voting me. Switch to long con the wolf.
@MartinGG99

We should all vote long con. If you are voting for axe you are wrong. I get it he has been wrong himself but he is not a wolf.
Don’t be lazy and vote long con

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:58 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:42 pm
Felicis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:36 pm Didn't Grogu already claim Aang?
Rolefishing?
Grogu did indeed sort of soft Aang.

Not exactly. I claimed a powerful character that makes aang stronger and I cannot disappear from the game. I’ll be around no matter what just not count for parity or be able to post I believe.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:46 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:44 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:42 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:41 pm StarV is in this game? Lol such an easy read
Ye I'm bad at mafia alignment, sheep me townie
Star the only thing worse than your mafia play is your reads as town
@DaughterOfOmega what do you think of @NotAnAxehole as of now?

Stop. He is not a goddamn wolf. Guillotine stop playing like this. Listen ffs

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:25 pm After a long and arduous event, seanzie and notanaxehole return, looking battle tested and full of woe.

as a result of the event, @Creature has been shot and dies. He flips town:

Sokka
Emotional Support

You’re the group’s emotional backbone. Every night target someone to give them a pep talk. Good job!

You are town, good luck!
All votes for creature will be counted as no votes, and creatures vote will not be counted. Hammer remains at 10.

Spoiler: show
@Vulgard
@falcon45ca
@Felicis
@Grogu
@Guillotine
@hollowkatt
@Jackofhearts2005
@Long Con
@boknows
@MartinGG99
@Naviya
@NotAnAxehole
@Seanzie
@daughterofomega
@TonyStarkPrime

Not a bad shot but bad results. Long con should have been the one

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 10:13 am We have a dayvig to publicly plan?

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:06 am This is why I said: I literally cannot die. I leave the game but talk to aang and tell them my reads amd get to solve. I didn’t understand who aang was when I read my role. That’s why I realized later on my role was actually very important. I make aang stronger.
Good luck friends. I think killing me is the best play since axe has to be town also.
We need to look at the people like creature who jumped on me and long con.
Just very suspect, those would be the people I would vote but I don’t think we can change everyone mind.
Pretty sure that this is all bullshit, and Grogu is a wolf with Axe. What a world-view. "Two people who voted me are wolves, YAWN, ok, hard day's work, I'm done."

This would be so fake. He doesn’t believe this.
No way me and axe are wolves together

This is why I said: I literally cannot die. I leave the game but talk to aang and tell them my reads amd get to solve. I didn’t understand who aang was when I read my role. That’s why I realized later on my role was actually very important. I make aang stronger.
Good luck friends. I think killing me is the best play since axe has to be town also.
We need to look at the people like creature who jumped on me and long con.
Just very suspect, those would be the people I would vote but I don’t think we can change everyone mind.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 12:02 am Wait, didnt Grogu claim Aang?

Not necessarily. I claimed a very strong player, I can be lynched but I continue posting. I know who aang is and I’ll have chat with them when I die.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:11 pm [VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

This is troubling. Is it just me??

Naviya wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:57 pm Hi
Someone ping me with whats happening/has happened since daystart

Scum wants to push axe and grogu. Both town

@DaughterOfOmega the case is that I posted like this as a wolf before. They fail to realize this is how I also posts as town.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:40 pm I'm losing my mind today, gl

Omega I need your help sweetie. The want to kill the baby

Felicis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:15 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:09 pm Felicis what you think about the baby?
I am doubtful of everything lmao
All seriousness though, I'm unsure about you. I had good vibes and now I'm back up on the uncomfortable fence. Why should we trust you that axe is town? It's not that I disagree, but that's an interesting way to word it.

Dana wasn’t a good role. Why would scum fake check them? Also axe reaction wasn’t planned so I believe he thought Dana was actually scum. I believed this too

Felicis what you think about the baby?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:50 pm

Axe is 100% town. Trust me

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:32 pm The current wagon is a bit strong for Grogu to be mafia I think. I was thinking if Grogu is mafia, it would become very hard to kill him over me, yet here we are.

I am never mafia here. I wanted to protect you, mafia would want you dead here. I just don’t know how to defend myself.
I haven’t done anything suspect and I made my reads clear and precise.
I think long con is suspect from my voters. Guillo reaction looks good to the Felicis claim. I knew he was lying so this is better.

Vote long con

Tony energy is so low this game. Does he prefer to scum?

This is how I always play. I don’t know any other way… I played like this all my games.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:38 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:31 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:23 am Axe can get a free day, he’s weird but likely just town. The story is so bad that it cannot come from a wolf lol
I can tell you've never wolfed with someone like Guillo before.

You died fast lol.

Felicis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:32 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:31 pm
Felicis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:04 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:57 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:56 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:19 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:52 pm

I send them b/c I care
It's like fruit vendor but I'm not target restricted (can send to the same person repeatedly if I want to) and it's a picture of appa (of my choosing, with no game text) instead of fruit
That's pretty slick. Do you choose who it goes to, or just random town?
I get to choose where it goes
Well, then shouldn't you know who got the bison?
Huh good point. Unless HK is trying to see if anyone fakes receiving a bison by asking who got it? Iunno
Felicia good reads. Like very good reads, I like them but I’m kinda suspect you have such a good grasp of the game after just waking up. I haven’t seen you so involved.
Good for now but the baby is watching.
I hear you. Suspicion is warranted, I've been fairly quiet. Part of why I'm trying harder is bc I don't want to do that thing where I don't try, it's not fair to my team and I haven't really given anyone much to work with. I get though that it probably seems sus.

(Still catching up btw 62 new posts rip)

Fair. Good stuff

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:31 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:23 am Axe can get a free day, he’s weird but likely just town. The story is so bad that it cannot come from a wolf lol
I can tell you've never wolfed with someone like Guillo before.

I did once. He was pretty bad

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:31 pm blue color = from fallout 2

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:52 pm It made perfect sense to me. Sorry if you don’t see it that way

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:04 pm If you don’t like this then, sorry?

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:51 pm Because he claimed it was a cop check. I didn’t want to out our cop... I felt stupid and felt he was honest.
Then more things came to light and I went back on him.
Notice I back off him. Then went back and yes I had a scum read on him but I could be wrong. I had no true evidence

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:55 pm And what are you getting at? Those were two reads.... that’s all they were.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:55 pm So you proved how my read evolved? Lol. I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean… I liked him a bit. Then I didn’t like so much, then I liked less and then he lied to clear himself.
1. The responses aren't completely the same because Fallout 2 was incredibly mech-heavy and claim-heavy.

2. Not everything matches up cleanly. A few slight things are different; he had a coherent understanding of his interactions with Fallout-Falcon back on day 2 of that game where Falcon got mod-killed.

3. Although it's interesting to note the timestamps are quite similar; The ones that are quoted from here happen in a few minutes just like the quotes from Fallout 2.

In one I was super nervous answering and you can see me trying to walk back my mistakes.
In this one I’m like yeah my reads changed. Nice and short and not convoluted.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:14 pm Might as well go comparing to how he reacted to me in Fallout 2 when he was going to flip as scum via planned vig kill. If I'm not mistaken I feel similar vibes here.

Post those here for giggles. I wanna see if you were right about that then. I do panick as a wolf cuz I hate it

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:11 pm Grogu looks like panicked wolf to tbh

I don't think I'm moving my vote today.

Lol if you only knew. I am eating Doritos cool ranch and listening to late 90s hip hop (weird I know) and thinking about lunch just waiting for 12pm so I got 45 min to kill. About to watch a video or something

Pushed*

So Martin you misread my posts and -used me on the mistaken pretenses? LOL

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:05 pm If lying were actually towny most of the time then we would all be doing it

You are confused or high.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:02 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:55 pm So you proved how my read evolved? Lol. I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean… I liked him a bit. Then I didn’t like so much, then I liked less and then he lied to clear himself.
You forgot the part where I tried to clear him because he lied about being clear by the dead wolf.

Good try
It doesn't look real to me. There are things missing, and nothing there makes me a wolf grogu couldn't be doing this just to look town and right now I feel like this even support wolf grogu more than it does town grogu.

That's the problem.

Also you never clearly said that Falcon was towny for lying. You gave it a "omg lol" and left it at that. Even so, that's shaky grounds for a read.

It was implied I thought he was wolfy not towny for lying. Typo much?

Well it was real. Now what? I agree I could be doing this as wolf because I am always lost. Both roles but as a wolf I’m faking it. I’m not faking it

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:56 pm ftr I consider "derp-clears" or trying to "derp" as meaning to act like you didn't know something

You (Grogu) could be derping, but that last thing about Falcon (despite him being one of your suspects) is bad even if true.

What thing? Me not knowing who was in an event I wasn’t around for? I have joined or even tried to join zero events or chats. I don’t care enough or have time. I am here to have fun and escape my normal life and procrastinate some. I’m not here to do WORK… I ask questions of things I do not know, if I was a wolf I’ll probably know these things and act like I don’t know because the only way I would know is if I was a wolf cuz someone else did the work for me and feed me.
I am town so I rely on my fellow town to carry me. There’s -Lenny of good towny who know how to play and can tell me what’s going on. If you don’t like this then, sorry?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:56 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:51 pm
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Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:42 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:39 pm Grogu part of me feels like you're diving for derp-clears here which you've done in the past as scum

We played several games now, do you think I push you as scum here? Think about that for a second… you are smart.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:50 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:46 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:39 pm Grogu part of me feels like you're diving for derp-clears here which you've done in the past as scum
I sure have. You know why? Because I truly derp. I have no idea what’s going on as town or wolf… that’s why is so easy for me. Now check my town games and see how I’m even more derpy as town.
What’s derpy about me today? Be specific
It bothers me that you didn't know much about falcon yet suspect him suddenly for not much reason.

Last mention of Falcon, on D1:

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:55 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:38 pm Read Falcon's iso and think he's a bad vote. Everything seems normal, matches my small meta, and it's all people I think are villagers voting him.
You are correct inc.
He seems good, sig on the other hand has to be scum and many people are trying to ignore that fact.

Next mention of Falcon, on D3:

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:27 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:42 am Eh. Lost monkey's ISO is mostly empty reads. Really dislike their treatment of Falcon, calling him "scummy but can play bad as town" and "scum or butthurt." It feels like they have TMI on the slot because these are really weird, polarized statements to make as town. Also, how can you know someone's potentially "playing bad" as town when it's day 1? That's the biggest TMI point in the entire ISO.

The good thing is that lost monkey has actual alignment reads (even if they are bad); I remember their wolf ISO from our last game together barely having even that. But the reads themselves aren't good at all, and the treatment of Falcon should realistically spew him town if Lost Monkey is mafia.

I still think Falcon is the wolfier of the two, but maybe flipping lost monkey first is the play, considering Falcon's spewed town if Lost Monkey is mafia and Lost Monkey isn't spewed town if Falcon is mafia. Would like people's input on this.

In general, what even happened in that event? This makes two ISOs I've read that talk about the event and I'm still confused what exactly happened in there. Seanzie was in that as well iirc.
Agree. I like monkey and falcon likely wolf.
The fact that you're simply agreeing here makes it look worse to me imo.

And you're even trying to derp on him:

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:50 am Mac wasn't in the storm chat.
Falcon lied? Omg lol

So you proved how my read evolved? Lol. I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean… I liked him a bit. Then I didn’t like so much, then I liked less and then he lied to clear himself.
You forgot the part where I tried to clear him because he lied about being clear by the dead wolf.

Good try

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:42 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:39 pm Grogu part of me feels like you're diving for derp-clears here which you've done in the past as scum

We played several games now, do you think I push you as scum here? Think about that for a second… you are smart.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:40 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:31 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:28 pm But I don't get why Axe is blaming us for it like an axehole about it.
It was just in the spirit of being an entitled prick. But yeah, I view the red check yesterday as a missed vig shot. I'm not upset about it, but it's definitely not your guys fault. I understand why people would be upset, but to be honest, I view mafia as a single-player game.
You remind me of someone. Where did you play before this? Lol
I played on FFA, my alt is DS.

Never mind, never heard of any of those. Maybe is the leaf fan and attitude lol

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:39 pm Grogu part of me feels like you're diving for derp-clears here which you've done in the past as scum

I sure have. You know why? Because I truly derp. I have no idea what’s going on as town or wolf… that’s why is so easy for me. Now check my town games and see how I’m even more derpy as town.
What’s derpy about me today? Be specific

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:38 pm [VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

I'm not interested in trying to lynch thread-health again in the next few hours.

We all know what happened. It was a fake red apparently. All there is to do is to decide upon it and not fuss about it further. Someone may even night-kill him for all we know.

Why kill axe? Let him.
And why vote me? For defending him? What is he’s town? Does that change your wromg decision?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:31 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:28 pm But I don't get why Axe is blaming us for it like an axehole about it.
It was just in the spirit of being an entitled prick. But yeah, I view the red check yesterday as a missed vig shot. I'm not upset about it, but it's definitely not your guys fault. I understand why people would be upset, but to be honest, I view mafia as a single-player game.

You remind me of someone. Where did you play before this? Lol

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:28 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:57 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:42 am Eh. Lost monkey's ISO is mostly empty reads. Really dislike their treatment of Falcon, calling him "scummy but can play bad as town" and "scum or butthurt." It feels like they have TMI on the slot because these are really weird, polarized statements to make as town. Also, how can you know someone's potentially "playing bad" as town when it's day 1? That's the biggest TMI point in the entire ISO.

The good thing is that lost monkey has actual alignment reads (even if they are bad); I remember their wolf ISO from our last game together barely having even that. But the reads themselves aren't good at all, and the treatment of Falcon should realistically spew him town if Lost Monkey is mafia.

I still think Falcon is the wolfier of the two, but maybe flipping lost monkey first is the play, considering Falcon's spewed town if Lost Monkey is mafia and Lost Monkey isn't spewed town if Falcon is mafia. Would like people's input on this.

In general, what even happened in that event? This makes two ISOs I've read that talk about the event and I'm still confused what exactly happened in there. Seanzie was in that as well iirc.
Mac spewed me town when he tried to push me for my role in the storm chat
This happened?
Mac was not in the storm chat

Why would falcon lied about this? Weird

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:12 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:06 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:05 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:04 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:00 pm How is Axe still alive?
Because I'm obviously town - so most town probably acknowledge killing me is bad, and Scum would prefer not to kill me due to my tendency to create chaos.
Nah, town don't fake reds without rescinding.

Kill this man.
I thought of rescinding.
I mean, to be fair, the thought crossed my mind, but I didn't actually ponder on it that much. Dana deserved to die for not being towny. I'm towny, thus I don't think I deserve death.
No, you aren't. Killing a townie is not towny. Kill this man.

Sean please be quiet. We are not going to listen to you, you are much more scummy than axe. Relax

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:10 pmHere we are.

Booooooooooooooo
Welcome to the game my friend. We need help

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