The Syndicate

It was fun for the most part, that is the most important thing, to have fun, once that is out of the window it's mot worth playing anymore. That is why i left when i did, cause i felt that if i stayed, i'd poison the game with my anger and salt and i respect the game too much for that.

I'm proud i had good reads, Nutella and Tangrowth on day 1. I suspected Alison and Seanzie on day 1 as well and i was wrong about that yah.
I had an angleshooting read on Sonny, i figured after the first two yeets Day 1, Day 2, Sonny gave up and left and even if that was not the case if i was a day vig i would have shot the slot for it and tirn out to be right.
And Mac, it took me a while to read him but im glad i could find him. The little victories.

What im most proud of is that i could let go of my tunnel from JJJ and Seanzie, i feel im growing as a player in that aspect.

Anyways, i know it's not my win as i repped out but i'll consider it as an unofficial win anyway. Til the next one.

To Those saying that im unpleasant to play with.

There is always to sides to the story.

Adiós.

Like i literally really tried to bait the night kill yesterday.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:44 pm I think we just kill made today, hopefully I can get NKed now that I've claimed, and tomorrow you can figure it out but I'd recommend allcrab

Can i get nightkilled instead, i rather have that than keep sharing a mason chat with you, even if i muted it two nights ago.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:30 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:19 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:15 pm I wish someone had have cop checked me by now.
My partner's last night legacy was that you are town along with Alison and J, i disagreed on you being town, but now im not sure.

Mac, level with me. Would scum!you kill Seanzie right after he sus you?
Yes I love to make pro Mac night kills because they're always wifom to read into.
“The best way to lie in a game of lies is telling the truth”.
You would have rather me lied? I would answer you this way regardless of my alignment. You should probably consider modifying your play this way because you fixate on non alignment indicative things a lot and it's definitely a weakness in an otherwise pretty strong game you're developing.

Yah, maybe i think you are greater than you really are. Maybe im giving you too much credit.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:38 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:27 pm jay and gnome are pseudo-masons. Guillotine claims to be one half of a separate mason pairing. Does this make sense?
Guillotine is mason with the other mafia person left.
That is ridiculous. Masons are guaranteed to be town.
That is not what he is suggesting. He's saying your claim is fake.

Yah well he is lying.

Oh... people are gonna say that Nanook and I are distancing now. Oops

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:35 pm Yeah I'm masons with guillo

Hes mostly been a dick and then told me some bs about us not being compatible cause I didn't want to rip on tangy's effort level, its been real fun

Yesterday's honest people are today's dicks in a world entitled instant gratification jerks.

Sorry honesty does not resonate with you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:27 pm jay and gnome are pseudo-masons. Guillotine claims to be one half of a separate mason pairing. Does this make sense?
Guillotine is mason with the other mafia person left.

That is ridiculous. Masons are guaranteed to be town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:19 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:15 pm I wish someone had have cop checked me by now.
My partner's last night legacy was that you are town along with Alison and J, i disagreed on you being town, but now im not sure.

Mac, level with me. Would scum!you kill Seanzie right after he sus you?
Yes I love to make pro Mac night kills because they're always wifom to read into.

“The best way to lie in a game of lies is telling the truth”.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:15 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:14 pm I am a town mason and my partner can clear me at any time and i can clear my partner.
So i suggest to focus in other theories.
Is your partner in the following group: [Mac, Made, Allcrab, Martin]?

If the answer is yes say so now.

No

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:15 pm I wish someone had have cop checked me by now.

My partner's last night legacy was that you are town along with Alison and J, i disagreed on you being town, but now im not sure.

Mac, level with me. Would scum!you kill Seanzie right after he sus you?

I am a town mason and my partner can clear me at any time and i can clear my partner.
So i suggest to focus in other theories.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:52 pm I vote manipulated Jay.
Why?
Every night I can give someone an extra vote.

I gave Jay an extra vote last night.

Ahh

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:52 pm I vote manipulated Jay.

What? Why?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:45 pm
Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:13 pm

I'll just claim since Gnome is poisoned.

I'm a "casual lover". I can choose each day to activate my role to become a lover with whoever the other lover is. Eventually Gnome and I found each other in the thread. I had refused to use the role until Night 4 since I am always a kill target and didn't want two town needlessly dead without learning more. Gnome being the lover made it more appealing, since she's deep in the POE. If I had died last night she'd have gone with me, clearing up the slot.

The "benefit" of our lovership is that we become mutual voyeurs the same night we engage in casual love to learn about any abilities targeting one another. That has struck me as mostly weak. We also shared BTSC last night. For what it's worth I think Gnome seemed mostly town-like in there.

I have two ability targets on Gnome from last night, one of which was the poison. I won't reveal the other just yet.
So you’re dead at the end of today too?
No. It's only a night thing, and on the same night it's activated. Our casual fling is over.

To be clear it could have happened multiple times, but poison.
I see.
@Garden Gnome do you have anything to add?
Yes. JJJ was vote manipulated.
I don't know what that means.
But I think that JJJ's votes will be wonky today.
Do not pay attention to the votes...
Vote manipulation?

Yah no, this game is officially bastard. We've been lied to.
Vote manipulation is not bastard.

Vote manipulation is completely bastard so now im gonna look at this game as such.

Anything that messed up with town ability to eliminate scum during the day is bastard.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:48 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:45 pm
Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:13 pm

I'll just claim since Gnome is poisoned.

I'm a "casual lover". I can choose each day to activate my role to become a lover with whoever the other lover is. Eventually Gnome and I found each other in the thread. I had refused to use the role until Night 4 since I am always a kill target and didn't want two town needlessly dead without learning more. Gnome being the lover made it more appealing, since she's deep in the POE. If I had died last night she'd have gone with me, clearing up the slot.

The "benefit" of our lovership is that we become mutual voyeurs the same night we engage in casual love to learn about any abilities targeting one another. That has struck me as mostly weak. We also shared BTSC last night. For what it's worth I think Gnome seemed mostly town-like in there.

I have two ability targets on Gnome from last night, one of which was the poison. I won't reveal the other just yet.
So you’re dead at the end of today too?
No. It's only a night thing, and on the same night it's activated. Our casual fling is over.

To be clear it could have happened multiple times, but poison.
I see.
@Garden Gnome do you have anything to add?
Yes. JJJ was vote manipulated.
I don't know what that means.
But I think that JJJ's votes will be wonky today.
Do not pay attention to the votes...
Vote manipulation?

Yah no, this game is officially bastard. We've been lied to.
*chortle*
*feels a little ill*
Guillotine, you didn't feed me the poison, did you? And did you disguise them as dark chocolate truffles?

Im not a poisoner. If i was you'd be the last player i would poison to be frank, dont take it personal my dear Gnome.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:27 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:23 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:22 pm HI friends, sorry for missing yesterday, i got my start of day/end of days dates twisted. Before I waste my time in iso hell, is Allcrab cleared for any reason? I see they claimed on day 2 and alison didn't buy it, but then they got a red check on owner.
Why do you ask?
cuz you embarresed me yesterday, and I'm trying not to spend all my time in thread reading cleared folk :P
Lol.

I am cleared because I desperado’d orangecrush yesterday.
TangyStarkPrime is still clear for being desperado’d on Day 2.
We can now possibly treat Jay/Garden Gnome as pseudo-cleared because of Gnome’s poisoning and Jay’s claim. It Gnome flips as something other than what Jay has claimed for her, that changes. But I think the likelihood of that happening is zilch.

Other than that we have no mechanically cleared players.

Wait you desperado'ed? I looked at your ISO last night and i thought you rescinded that claim.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:06 pm JJJ: I have a secret way of resolving Gnome, don't worry about her

*Gnome gets poisoned*

HMMM
I'll just claim since Gnome is poisoned.

I'm a "casual lover". I can choose each day to activate my role to become a lover with whoever the other lover is. Eventually Gnome and I found each other in the thread. I had refused to use the role until Night 4 since I am always a kill target and didn't want two town needlessly dead without learning more. Gnome being the lover made it more appealing, since she's deep in the POE. If I had died last night she'd have gone with me, clearing up the slot.

The "benefit" of our lovership is that we become mutual voyeurs the same night we engage in casual love to learn about any abilities targeting one another. That has struck me as mostly weak. We also shared BTSC last night. For what it's worth I think Gnome seemed mostly town-like in there.

I have two ability targets on Gnome from last night, one of which was the poison. I won't reveal the other just yet.
So you’re dead at the end of today too?
No. It's only a night thing, and on the same night it's activated. Our casual fling is over.

To be clear it could have happened multiple times, but poison.
I see.
@Garden Gnome do you have anything to add?
Yes. JJJ was vote manipulated.
I don't know what that means.
But I think that JJJ's votes will be wonky today.
Do not pay attention to the votes...

Vote manipulation?

Yah no, this game is officially bastard. We've been lied to.

Actually im thinking that maybe Seanzie was killed to frame Mac.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:08 pm Mac's been on the wrong side of nearly every dialogue that has come after Day 1. He's made some nice posts here and there, e.g. opposed to Sonny, but he hasn't been there when it's counted. He has defended players for very bad reasons -- buying Owner's fruit claim, giving orangecrush town credit for asking to be shot. No thanks. I suspect he and nutella agreed upon a bus, and it isn't hard to find that in her reception of his suspicion on Day 1, and he didn't figure the rest of his team would collapse around him so quickly. So he's tried to prevent that collapse however possible.

I agree, plus Seanzie was the last to push Mac and now he is dead.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:49 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:43 pm Bruh. Im a mason
If that’s true you should have nothing to worry about.

Actually you are right, if scum is smart they will NK me

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:43 pm To help clear up any and all confusion, I was truthful in my claim. I am a 3p survivor who had to choose a wincon to align to. I did, in fact, choose town. I did have a 1-shot commuter that I used N1 because Act is nothing if not paranoid But to help clear up the confusion on why I had to choose sides, I’m also a win thief. If town won and I was still alive, I would have stolen the win. It was in my best interest for town to win, and I played with a townie mindset. My reads are genuine and I have no clue who the mafia are. I can’t win anymore, and in feeling guilty for choosing to possibly steal town’s win (and for the general moral purpose of the game hahah), I did decide to claim to offer town more information ahead of Twilight. I was town-sided so far as my play has been, and I do want to help town. I did not mention the win thief earlier because I will always play to my wincon and with a survivor claim, I still have some chance of getting out (albeit insanely small haha).

First time playing as a survivor and this wasn’t my best game, but I fully enjoyed it! Thanks for the fun!

So you townsided so you could steal our win?

Kill this thief with fire!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:41 pm Suspect regardless of Act: Made

TBD: Garden Gnome

Mechanical “suspects”: Martin, Allcrab, lost monkey

Non-mechanical mafia tinfoils: Guillotine > Mac > Nanook in order of suspicion

Poisoner candidates: [Nanook, Made, Martin, Guillotine] > [Mac, Tangrowth, Allcrab] > [lost monkey, Seanzie, Sloonei] > Alison — just assuming poisoner cannot self target, would be silly

Bruh. Im a mason

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:04 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:02 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:59 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:55 am You think the gift giver Kito is incredibly standard? Who kills a gift giver?
Someone who has a mafia teammate that also gives gifts, and who knows that those gifts are incredibly powerful (guaranteed unstoppable 1-2 KP + roleblock + rolestop)
Yah but scum must have seen the claims. Nanook caught my soft of receiving chocolates, Kito claimed, i confirmed receiving chocolates.
What I am saying is this.

Kito claimed gift giver in thread.

Owner was also gift giver. Owner's gifts were really powerful for the mafia team.

It's not a stretch to believe that the mafia reasoned that Kito's gifts were really powerful for town.

Therefore Kito was killed.

That is my theory for the N2 kill, and it would make sense as a "standard" PR kill.

Cause of scum paranoia. Ok, i see it now.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:01 am The last three "benign 3P" claims I have seen were, respectively:

- a mafia member that won at endgame due to town's reluctance to vote them off;
- a hostile 3P that killed everyone else and won solo;
- a hostile 3P that killed everyone else and won solo.

The last benign 3P i saw, they scumsided close to mylo and we won that game. Yes, i was scum and without the 3ps help we would have lost to town.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:59 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:55 am You think the gift giver Kito is incredibly standard? Who kills a gift giver?
Someone who has a mafia teammate that also gives gifts, and who knows that those gifts are incredibly powerful (guaranteed unstoppable 1-2 KP + roleblock + rolestop)

Yah but scum must have seen the claims. Nanook caught my soft of receiving chocolates, Kito claimed, i confirmed receiving chocolates.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:53 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:15 am One simple reason.

Who are his scum reads? Who is he annoying by tunneling wrongly?

Guillo has no conviction in his pushes.

He keeps saying I'm bad but he hasn't tunneled or pushed me.

He keeps saying things like "You know I am town!" but isn't picking up his shovel.

He bad.
This is all a lie.

1) No push ive ever made in this game here has lacked conviction.

2) I think you are shady coward, all game that ive been townread by everyone, you didnt have the guts to push me like this but now that you see that my townread has been weakened, now I exist?

3) Looking at Alison's analysis of you, you've been an effective wolf finder and yet here you are, still standing which makes me consider two options.

One: You are the wolf, you bussed Nutella for some good towncred (i didnt want to believe this but you told me that that is not out of your wolf range).

OR

Two: Wolves are simply scared to touch you.

4) I have no interest on tunneling you. You are in your home full of people that knows you, if you are a wolf, the syndicate townies got more chances of figuring you out that out than myself.
I think this "why isn't mac nked" stuff is weird. Like we're pretty sure they shot at Sloonei N1, and they probably shot at some consensus town N3 because Dana landed a bodyguard. For all we know they tried to kill Mac yesterday night and Dana saved him. N2 kill was weird for sure, but maybe they were simply afraid of what kind of gifts Kito could hand out (which sort of makes sense, since Owner's gifts were really powerful).

The point is that as far as we can tell a consensus town was shot N1 and a consensus town was shot N3. A PR claim that the mafia had reason to believe was powerful was shot N2. The kills so far have been incredibly standard and there is nothing weird about them at all.

You think the gift giver Kito is incredibly standard? Who kills a gift giver?

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:48 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:45 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:41 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:39 am I expect lost monkey, allcrab and martin to not switch their votes from Act today.
I'm not but this makes me want to lol.
If Act flips poisoner then we go back to the dualistic roles hypothesis. It's in your best interest to keep your vote there if you are town.
I'll keep my vote there cuz I think there's a chance Act still flips wolf and even if they don't it still won't be a green flip, mind trying to tell me what's in my interest and what isn't Act's flip doesn't effect mine.

Because you claimed watcher with Lost Monkey and OC flipped roleblocker after gavial also flipped roleblocker. If Act is the poisoner then it makes sense to have a mafia healer, roleblocker and watcher to have equal chances at finding the poisoner that town has.
Mafia needs to kill the poisoner too, not just us.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:41 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:39 am I expect lost monkey, allcrab and martin to not switch their votes from Act today.
I'm not but this makes me want to lol.

If Act flips poisoner then we go back to the dualistic roles hypothesis. It's in your best interest to keep your vote there if you are town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:32 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:24 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:23 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:17 am Alright, so here’s my claim:

I am a third party survivor with a 1-shot commuter ability. On night 1, I had to choose between mafia and town to align with. I could only win with whichever side I chose. If I die, I cannot win with any faction. I’m just dead. I aligned myself with town primarily because of mindset. I knew that if I had any chance at survival, I needed to be playing with the mind to eliminate scum (also, scum died D1 so the odds were already moving in a town direction lol). I also commuted that night (N1).

This means there is another reason to consider why there was no N1 kill, although I cannot imagine I would have been the target. It is a possibility however. It does give me pause about the watcher claims though, because I think the idea that the NK was focused on Jay and both watchers watched Jay, and all that just feels a little too coincidentally concentrated when so many other roles are out there.

This is why I didn’t trust Gavial’s claim immediately either because he seemed to readily trust that roleblocking Hawk was an immediate answer and nearly confirmed red check. I knew I commuted and that meant there was another possibility. If there is another role like mine, then maybe someone else commuted too.

I have played relatively low key for the sake of survival trying to be both helpful to town without trying too hard in an effort to balance between avoiding a yeet and avoiding a NK. I can assure you though, I have absolutely played with a townie mindset. It has been in my personal interest for town to win, even though I am 3p.

Good luck, town!
I yeet all non-town claims and you havent been townsiding, you ate voting for a mason now.

You die today.
An unclaimed lying mason til proven otherwise.
Towns do lie. You feel like a wolf that has been played by me like a fool, not gonna lie.
You are so very good at mafia.

Very good? That's an insult yet again.

I'm great.

I expect lost monkey, allcrab and martin to not switch their votes from Act today.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:32 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:27 am 1) Act is never the mafia target on night 1. If she commuted then she thought a town vigilante would because she spew herself wolf helping Nutella discrediting my read on her.

2) 3ps always scumside because townies will always play to our wincon and that is to eliminate all threats, our paranoia and tinfoil will always yeet the 3P at some point and at that point the 3p scumsides yo survive.
Listen, I do not expect to live. I know I’m dead. I’m the leading yeet. Who tf are you trying to convince? Lol. I chose to side with town because a mafia died D1 and I needed a town mindset. I just needed to survive and I believed siding with town was my best chance. If that was a wrong move, then maybe that’s why I’m in the position I’m in right now.

Im not trying to convince anyone. You die today, period. I dont trust 3ps because they always scumside and because we had considered the poisoner is a 3p. So we have to flip you.
Because if you are 3p, then maybe .... ooooooh, this is why you asked if we believed if Martin and LoMo/AllCrab good be town/mafia pairs of the same role? Lol

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:24 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:23 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:17 am Alright, so here’s my claim:

I am a third party survivor with a 1-shot commuter ability. On night 1, I had to choose between mafia and town to align with. I could only win with whichever side I chose. If I die, I cannot win with any faction. I’m just dead. I aligned myself with town primarily because of mindset. I knew that if I had any chance at survival, I needed to be playing with the mind to eliminate scum (also, scum died D1 so the odds were already moving in a town direction lol). I also commuted that night (N1).

This means there is another reason to consider why there was no N1 kill, although I cannot imagine I would have been the target. It is a possibility however. It does give me pause about the watcher claims though, because I think the idea that the NK was focused on Jay and both watchers watched Jay, and all that just feels a little too coincidentally concentrated when so many other roles are out there.

This is why I didn’t trust Gavial’s claim immediately either because he seemed to readily trust that roleblocking Hawk was an immediate answer and nearly confirmed red check. I knew I commuted and that meant there was another possibility. If there is another role like mine, then maybe someone else commuted too.

I have played relatively low key for the sake of survival trying to be both helpful to town without trying too hard in an effort to balance between avoiding a yeet and avoiding a NK. I can assure you though, I have absolutely played with a townie mindset. It has been in my personal interest for town to win, even though I am 3p.

Good luck, town!
I yeet all non-town claims and you havent been townsiding, you ate voting for a mason now.

You die today.
An unclaimed lying mason til proven otherwise.
Towns do lie. You feel like a wolf that has been played by me like a fool, not gonna lie.

And i didnt lie about Mason

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:24 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:23 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:17 am Alright, so here’s my claim:

I am a third party survivor with a 1-shot commuter ability. On night 1, I had to choose between mafia and town to align with. I could only win with whichever side I chose. If I die, I cannot win with any faction. I’m just dead. I aligned myself with town primarily because of mindset. I knew that if I had any chance at survival, I needed to be playing with the mind to eliminate scum (also, scum died D1 so the odds were already moving in a town direction lol). I also commuted that night (N1).

This means there is another reason to consider why there was no N1 kill, although I cannot imagine I would have been the target. It is a possibility however. It does give me pause about the watcher claims though, because I think the idea that the NK was focused on Jay and both watchers watched Jay, and all that just feels a little too coincidentally concentrated when so many other roles are out there.

This is why I didn’t trust Gavial’s claim immediately either because he seemed to readily trust that roleblocking Hawk was an immediate answer and nearly confirmed red check. I knew I commuted and that meant there was another possibility. If there is another role like mine, then maybe someone else commuted too.

I have played relatively low key for the sake of survival trying to be both helpful to town without trying too hard in an effort to balance between avoiding a yeet and avoiding a NK. I can assure you though, I have absolutely played with a townie mindset. It has been in my personal interest for town to win, even though I am 3p.

Good luck, town!
I yeet all non-town claims and you havent been townsiding, you ate voting for a mason now.

You die today.
An unclaimed lying mason til proven otherwise.

Towns do lie. You feel like a wolf that has been played by me like a fool, not gonna lie.

1) Act is never the mafia target on night 1. If she commuted then she thought a town vigilante would because she spew herself wolf helping Nutella discrediting my read on her.

2) 3ps always scumside because townies will always play to our wincon and that is to eliminate all threats, our paranoia and tinfoil will always yeet the 3P at some point and at that point the 3p scumsides yo survive.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:17 am Alright, so here’s my claim:

I am a third party survivor with a 1-shot commuter ability. On night 1, I had to choose between mafia and town to align with. I could only win with whichever side I chose. If I die, I cannot win with any faction. I’m just dead. I aligned myself with town primarily because of mindset. I knew that if I had any chance at survival, I needed to be playing with the mind to eliminate scum (also, scum died D1 so the odds were already moving in a town direction lol). I also commuted that night (N1).

This means there is another reason to consider why there was no N1 kill, although I cannot imagine I would have been the target. It is a possibility however. It does give me pause about the watcher claims though, because I think the idea that the NK was focused on Jay and both watchers watched Jay, and all that just feels a little too coincidentally concentrated when so many other roles are out there.

This is why I didn’t trust Gavial’s claim immediately either because he seemed to readily trust that roleblocking Hawk was an immediate answer and nearly confirmed red check. I knew I commuted and that meant there was another possibility. If there is another role like mine, then maybe someone else commuted too.

I have played relatively low key for the sake of survival trying to be both helpful to town without trying too hard in an effort to balance between avoiding a yeet and avoiding a NK. I can assure you though, I have absolutely played with a townie mindset. It has been in my personal interest for town to win, even though I am 3p.

Good luck, town!

I yeet all non-town claims and you havent been townsiding, you ate voting for a mason now.

You die today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:19 am Jay let me have Guillo and if it's wrong we can go back to robot mafia.
I am fine with Guillotine as a fallback if super easy mode fails. I don’t see why he’d be the right choice today.

Are you fuckin' serious? I am the fallback? I am the mason and i am confirmable by my partner and viceversa lol.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:16 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:14 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?
I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.
Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.
One appeal to a dead villager? Who is that dead villager?
Hawk.

Whete did Act appeal to Hawk? Show me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:21 am I will pay ppl to vote for Guillo. Who wants some cash?

Shiiiiiiit, i need money, if you pay me enough i'll vote myself, how much we talking?

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?
I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.
Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.

One appeal to a dead villager? Who is that dead villager?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:15 am One simple reason.

Who are his scum reads? Who is he annoying by tunneling wrongly?

Guillo has no conviction in his pushes.

He keeps saying I'm bad but he hasn't tunneled or pushed me.

He keeps saying things like "You know I am town!" but isn't picking up his shovel.

He bad.

This is all a lie.

1) No push ive ever made in this game here has lacked conviction.

2) I think you are shady coward, all game that ive been townread by everyone, you didnt have the guts to push me like this but now that you see that my townread has been weakened, now I exist?

3) Looking at Alison's analysis of you, you've been an effective wolf finder and yet here you are, still standing which makes me consider two options.

One: You are the wolf, you bussed Nutella for some good towncred (i didnt want to believe this but you told me that that is not out of your wolf range).

OR

Two: Wolves are simply scared to touch you.

4) I have no interest on tunneling you. You are in your home full of people that knows you, if you are a wolf, the syndicate townies got more chances of figuring you out that out than myself.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:49 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:04 am Mac has contributed to enough scum deaths that I am comfortable leaving him be. If he's bussing just let him continue, why don't you?
I will bus them all until I only have myself left to bus and then I will stop.

This is a lie, he would'n't.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:20 am I don’t like the claims because both are safe. Martin claimed healer when obviously there would be a healer. Two town healers doesn’t make sense, and I recognize red herring roles apparently exist, but still...I don’t feel good about Martin’s claim.

Allcrab claimed the exact role as LoMo which is safe. He can just parrot whatever LoMo said. Allcrab claimed same role then switched to unlimited. How many red herring roles would a game have before the game could become unbalanced? I honestly don’t know mech, but I just feel like this is a stretch. I do not think we have two watchers.

@Guillotine, what do you think of Allcrab and Martin?

I dont know anymore, when i saw that Sloonei actually had a desperado shot and i mean that he actually inherited an used desperado shot, that is when i realized that I've been so wrong about my expectations from a normal game here, that i dont have the energy or the will to push hard about my spec theories anymore.

Before the shot i believed that Martin could be the mafia healer and that there was a wolf in LoMo/AllCrab but post second desperado shot, i think anything is possible here plus Alison brought up a good point, if the set up was dualistic like that then mafia would have received fake claims so why not use them, why declare roles that can be counterclaimed, why put themselves out there like that if not true.

If i see one of them flipping red i'd not be surprised however.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:06 amUh huh.

I'm a great shot. “Duélale a quién le duela”.

I said that if i was a day vig i would shoot her right there and then.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:04 amUh huh.

I even said that to her in the thread. She backed off after i said that.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:01 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:57 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:42 am I just wanna say for the record that nearly every time I've had a vig shot in the last X years, I've announced it publicly and turned my decision into a cooperative effort, and I'm pretty sure this method has a 100% success rate. Friends don't let friends hero shoot.
I always hero shot. Always.
That's a terrible idea.

If you are a bad shot. I would have shot Nutella on Day 1 as desperado.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:42 am I just wanna say for the record that nearly every time I've had a vig shot in the last X years, I've announced it publicly and turned my decision into a cooperative effort, and I'm pretty sure this method has a 100% success rate. Friends don't let friends hero shoot.

I always hero shot. Always.

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