The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:54 pm DDL and Guillo trying to distance, and it's very cute.

@Guillotine What role did you think Nanook had when you started the game? You seemed confused about the mechanics, though I don't understand how.

I also want to tunnel Creature. I just want to. I had the idea that he didn't care as much about the mech stuff and really wanting to find the best plan for town, which I perceived HK and NAA to be doing at the very beginning of the game. When I read it again, meh, might've imagined that. But I still find his wording SUSPICIOUS. This might be dumb, but if he's mafia, I'm a genius.

These might be bad takes, but good thing is that we can always blame Nook if things goes to shits.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:10 pm We aren't making decisions at the end of the day other than where and when to protect. It's not on us specifically to "remove" another player from the game.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:33 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:59 pm I'm probably looking at Dragon + Dyslexicon + one of the mech talkers (NAA/HK/Guillo/maybe Urist).

I don't remember why I felt good about dizzy but I did. People seem to want to pile on dragon and meh I'm not sure I care about dragon.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:59 pm I'm probably looking at Dragon + Dyslexicon + one of the mech talkers (NAA/HK/Guillo/maybe Urist).

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:51 pm How are we doing non-NANOOK saves by the way?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:21 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:26 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:21 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:33 am
Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Because im better at playing mafia than playing math, the moment i saw this becoming a math game i got bored.

Im still bored.

So who’s scum?

HK and DDL are in my PoE.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:26 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:21 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:33 am
Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Because im better at playing mafia than playing math, the moment i saw this becoming a math game i got bored.

Im still bored.

So who’s scum?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:16 am Rules:

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[Link] A Syndicate Mafia Culture of Respect

- 48/24 - closed nights.

- This game is divided into day phases and night phases. Day phases are when the Red Panda makes their choice of who to capture and release back into the wild. They must send a target to the host within 48 hours, or I will pick it at random. They cannot make a final choice BEFORE 24hrs of the day has passed but can pick at any time after that. Day ends (as it would a hammer) once they have chosen their target.

- Night phases are when the Giant Pandas and Trash Pandas send their actions. Actions will be accepted 23 hours after the end of day write-up is posted. No night posting in the thread. The Trash Pandas will have a 24/7 BTSC chat available to them. No one else will have BTSC.

- There will be a poll for voting on players to help Red Panda decide on a target, but it will have no effect on actual target of each day's yeet, and is used just to help organize the discussion. Voting in it is not mandatory!

- You must post at least 5 times per day phase and a maximum of 70 posts per day phase. Failure to post at least 5 times will be considered inactivity. If you are inactive on two different days, I may modkill you. No replacements will happen in this game.

- Double targeting is allowed.

- Do not engage in angle-shooting, which means using information from outside of the game to obtain advantage in it. That includes, but is not limited to, making bets or oaths in real life or posting screenshots to prove anything. I will modkill players who try break this rule to influence the outcome of the game.

- This is what the Giant Panda role card looks like:

Spoiler: show

You are a Giant Panda.

You are a member of town. You win the game when you eliminate the Trash Pandas.

Once per night, you may protect one player from a single Trash Panda kill.

You have 4 shots of protection to use.

You can protect yourself, but only once in the game.

- anyone engaging in excessive AtE will be modkilled. Let's keep it competitive but friendly and healthy. Contact your mods Syn and sabie if you have any frustrations with the game or other players.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:02 am Also I totally should’ve read the rules before starting since lol wtf is this.

But also oof so glad I’m not the red panda we’d be dead by like day 3 somehow

Also also, is it accurate to say if we don’t use our actions it’s randed? If so wouldn’t it make the most sense for only like 3 ppl to target nanook and nobody else does anything so it’s totally random

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:36 am Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:58 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:42 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:46 am This game has a limited post count.

Some people are burning their whole limit talking about mech and later on they will be able to use that as an excuse not to scumhunt.

I'd kill one of the people doing that. [VOTE: NAA] aubergine

As for the mech, here are my two cents.

Nanook needs to be protected 24/7. I think the safe number is 5 docs on odd days and 6 docs on even days. We can do a little less if we think the entire mafia won't get on the doctor block. Maybe 4 and 5. I'll volunteer for the doctor block today if nobody else will, but we should rotate.

Everyone else should protect conservatively, so we don't waste our protects early. Do not announce whether you are protecting or not, and who. Just do what you feel like and be cautious.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:33 am
Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:18 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:10 pm Im telling you right now, i aint attempting to save anyone in this game but myself, i believes in flips over saves.

Are people gonna have to spend another 2 rl weeks begging you to read the rules post

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:33 am ::shrug:: I don't believe anything is sustainable, and nothing I presented is original, so it doesn't hurt my feelings. Basically, I'll go with whatever plan we all determine is our best shot if it keeps me from having to think about more math. :P

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:56 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:43 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:43 am Im not good at plans but i think i got the plan to keep wolves at bay with our saves.

1) We establish the PoE
2) Assign one player in PoE to protect Nanook and we chop them
3) If for any reason Nanook dies, that means the PoE player didnt protect Nanook.
4) Repeat.

That way we make our PoE protect our red panda and the non-poe choose to protect whoever they townread! Genius!

What you think?

Correction

i can't even begin to understand how you thought this would work

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:43 am Im not good at plans but i think i got the plan to keep wolves at bay with our saves.

1) We establish the PoE
2) Assign one player in PoE to protect Nanook and we chop them
3) If for any reason Nanook dies, that means the PoE player didnt protect Nanook.
4) Repeat.

That way we make our PoE protect our red panda and the non-poe choose to protect whoever they townread! Genius!

What you think?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:20 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:13 pm Like I don't really want to policy shoot but I also don't want to lose because someone can't follow a plan cause they have too much ego, y'know

It's not ego. Just because you are confirmed town it does not mean that whatever you come up with is the perfect plan or solve to win the game, pull your head out of your buttocks and work with me. We have had our differences but im not a thrower.

K, insulting me isn't the way to go here

It's not you specifically, it's anyone that won't agree to follow the mech plan. Like...that's just how this game is, it requires cooperation, so the choices are either work with the group or get shot

You're welcome to give input on the plan obviously, but if you're just gonna say "no fuck that im not following any plans!" That's just...not something we can afford in this setup, lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:13 pm Like I don't really want to policy shoot but I also don't want to lose because someone can't follow a plan cause they have too much ego, y'know

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:10 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:46 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:29 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:07 pm 95% of this game is just coordinating saves right?

I thought about something like this:

Odd-nights: wolves have one kill. Therefore, we nominate three trusty players to protect NANOOK and everybody else rolls a dice (1/3 or 1/4) to protect someone else they expect wolves would try to kill.

Even-nights: wolves have two kills. Therefore, we nominate four or five trusty players to protect NANOOK and everybody else rolls a dice.

I think one strategy is to make players who expect to die earlier to save first. I think the trusty players should be those most likely to be nightkilled early and the everybody else, instead of a dice, decides if they're likely to die (either to nightkill or lynch) and if they are they protect someone they expect wolves to nightkill.

You know what i think about plans? They help wolves, what if we just do whatever the fuck we want and be unpredictable, that way the wolves cant predict our moves, yah? Cool!

If you don't follow a plan im gonna shoot you d1, full stop

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:45 pm Ok, so basic risk calculation indicates that if we all roll 3, and we only save on a 3 (1/3 of the time)... There's a 1.7% probability of mafia winning instantly with a shot on Nanook -> This isn't a viable shot for them.

If we maintain a ~1.5-2% chance each day (just need to calculate the numbers for each amount of pandas), every scenario, should be trivial...

That gives mafia about a 7% chance of winning in by day 4 (exclusive targeting Nanook), 13% chance with 8 days of targeting...

This is a very good number for town, and I think Nanook can kill mafia faster than this.. I have not calculated the probability of us running out of saves, but I would probably do that privately...

Nobody ever saves anyone but Nanook, and nobody ever claims saves.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:44 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:43 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:20 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:13 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:08 pm nanook lock town never rescind

This is TMI

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:14 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:10 pm Im telling you right now, i aint attempting to save anyone in this game but myself, i believes in flips over saves.

Is this a dumbtell?

yes, yes it is. Guillo lock town never rescinding.

Smh HK, here we go again

yeah only this time I'm town!

Seriously though, I expect trash panda guillo to know these things and not make those posts even if you're trying to scrape town reads with them. You've got more skills than that and don't need to resort to derps.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:29 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:07 pm 95% of this game is just coordinating saves right?

I thought about something like this:

Odd-nights: wolves have one kill. Therefore, we nominate three trusty players to protect NANOOK and everybody else rolls a dice (1/3 or 1/4) to protect someone else they expect wolves would try to kill.

Even-nights: wolves have two kills. Therefore, we nominate four or five trusty players to protect NANOOK and everybody else rolls a dice.

I think one strategy is to make players who expect to die earlier to save first. I think the trusty players should be those most likely to be nightkilled early and the everybody else, instead of a dice, decides if they're likely to die (either to nightkill or lynch) and if they are they protect someone they expect wolves to nightkill.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:20 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:13 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:08 pm nanook lock town never rescind

This is TMI

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:14 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:10 pm Im telling you right now, i aint attempting to save anyone in this game but myself, i believes in flips over saves.

Is this a dumbtell?

yes, yes it is. Guillo lock town never rescinding.

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:08 pm nanook lock town never rescind

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:07 pm 95% of this game is just coordinating saves right?