The Syndicate

also ill come out and say im the one who wants scum chat redacted sorry.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:51 pm Greatest regret is that I didn't get to paste my first Day 4 post from my clipboard saying Koba outed when they asked me to move to nutella at EOD3

i said that just to fakespew u as scum when i flipped/

its a tactic thats worked before

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:33 pm Also, holy foccacia do y'all post a lot. This game smashed the previous record for posts of a game this size.

im actually a huge spammer.
i didnt even really try so hard this game so u didnt get to see it.

played a different style i normally do as scum that i was trying to tailor towards the playerlist and so i could be lazy - mostly worked out.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:26 pm this game was stressful at points and i definitely was not spot-on with all of my foses :P but this game was still a lot of fun, and i'm happy to have played with y'all! i'd like to join more syndicate games in the future for sure

curse u... almost got away with it too if it werent for the meddling gay jailkeeper

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:23 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:22 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:20 pm Man my analysis would’ve been different if I thought no double targeting applied to the NK, that would’ve significantly raised the chance of tutu being mafia/the vig shot being used. RIP
well we only found out night 3 ourselves too haha
Oh

Why didn’t you try to kill nutella N2 then

we knew JK existed and SPF was our JK read.

turns out we were right.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:21 pm anyway, this is once again why i think its a great idea to have a standardized set of guidelines/mechanics/rules that act as default for the syndicate, and if hosts wish to override them they can be specific on what they're overriding in their sign-up threads and OPs, and if not, everyone can be on the same page. as it is rn, if i want to play mafia at a competitive or semi-competitive level here, i will have to prepare a list of 30 to 50 questions to ask the host at the start of every mafia game i play here, and then keep a journal of every hosts's different preferences in a microsoft word document, titled "nanook's preferences", "jay's preferences", "epi's preferences" etc. because every single host has not only extremely different preferences of handling things, but they also don't write everything in the OP, and i dont think its reasonable to ask them to. sometimes they cant even if they wanted to coz of closed setup games. i dont think the onus should be on the player to interrogate the hosts, i dont think the onus should be on the hosts to write essays, i think the onus should be on the website.

the decision to not have a default set of game policies and mechanics for the site is silly. mafia is a complex game and it needs clarity. i dont want to have to ask 50 questions to the host at the start of every game. when i host, i dont want to write essays on all of the basic mechanics, and then have people still be confused about their roles or mechanics because the volume of stuff ive written just gets so big and they stop reading (as ive experienced from the game i hosted here) @JaggedJimmyJay please use your clout? do you disagree with me? i think that its just lazyness and stubborness to "keep things the way they are" and "not rock the boat" instead of improving things

or maybe i should just accept that i need to spam nitpicky questions to the host and keep memoirs of everyone's hosting preferences if that's what deemed the correct way of doing things here, which i don't think i will accept, but if other people accept this then i'll let those people be; i'd just be very disappointed that people don't want/see how things can be improved for their own convenience

copying mafiascum's normal setup ruleset and building off of it is a good start.
-koba

open setup millers by principle should never be informed. even semi open

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:15 pm Wait mafia couldn’t consecutively target? That’s super townsided lol

with a jailkeeper it it :P

once u lose a mafia member and ur partner tried to target the JK its like ok.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:11 pm Good game, folks! I'm a bit surprised by the concede. tutuu may have had an outside shot at least.

Anyway, it was a good battle and both sides played strong, effortful Mafia.
if i was allowed to attack spf on n3 i wouldn't have conceded

^^^^^^^^

we werent able to attack spf cuz apparently cant target same person twice so tutuu cant do kill twice lol.

whats funny is before day 3 i pinged partners in chat to ask them if we should change whos doing the kill.

gg.

spf hardcarry with night actions

ruined an otherwise perfect scum sweep :P

gg i was maf

hey jay u sure u dont wanna flip over to nutella?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:17 pm All y’all swell gang should head on down to the Job sign-ups forum and click “yes” in that Spiderverse poll.

role madness open setups are bleh design to me

just bc i dont constantly talk about it and only show it via my pushes / interactiojns with ppl doenst mean it doesnt exist.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:14 pm You have a POE?

always had.

no ones queried me about it.

i dont out reads unless asked or i feel its relevant on principle.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:07 pm Koba is a good enough town player to recognize what Alison is doing, and come to the realization that Nutella is more likely town of the two. Also should realize that I am never with nutella or Ali, and they have kept their vote on me the entire day and not cared to read me.

There is no real evaluation from Koba. Def mafia

oh im sorry, my poe hasnt been flipped at all and now i need to reeval?
lol get real.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:43 pm Hammers aren't all that common here. Most games are plurality. Hammers have become more popular in recent memory.

Let's all be kind. Whatever it'll be, this day is almost over.

plurality is for noobs

whatever lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:26 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:23 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what are your feelings about nutella right this moment?
Still have her locked, I’ll reassess at f3 if necessary/applicable but ime early reads on nutella are the most accurate

cmon dude

i think its hilarious.
the gamestate was easy enough to pass by unnoticed. from your pov as scum so far.

the actions thus far prove it.

the fact we cant find votes for u show that partners are avoiding bussing u rn.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:13 pm @nutella what would you call your best mafia-aligned performance ever?
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=2006

LMFAO

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:02 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:58 pm here's the thing

meta isn't trash

be salty about it all you want but it is demonstrably true that the more you have played with a player and become familiar with their style the more accuracy you will have reading them
thats only if they are terribad at scum and dont do anything to improve to play against the expectations for their town meta. spf has been limmed many a time from "meta' reasons from players when she was town with many games with her bc her scum game is decent enough where she can manipulate it.
Is Esooa's scum game terribad?

no.
but she doesnt know the meta i have on her to manipulate against her.

u have to be self aware enough as a player to manip ur own meta like that.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:58 pm here's the thing

meta isn't trash

be salty about it all you want but it is demonstrably true that the more you have played with a player and become familiar with their style the more accuracy you will have reading them

thats only if they are terribad at scum and dont do anything to improve to play against the expectations for their town meta. spf has been limmed many a time from "meta' reasons from players when she was town with many games with her bc her scum game is decent enough where she can manipulate it.

meta is trash the way most ppl apply it.

im referring to esooa's townrange.

this is literally esooa's meta but ok

it doesnt rly matter cuz we have MLs to spare. if nutella is alive in lylo 1000% eliminate her.

saying ur out of ur scumrange is scummy

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

vanity vote cuz it looks like alison is going thru.

i still think alison is town here.

i hate this game

why is it that someone finally comes around on nutella as soon as i decided to shelve that read for the day.

i literaly dont care what u think that kind of post is always town

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:33 pm So here's the deal. I'm town. Lots of people think I'm not. I'm going to explain to you why I'm town, and then if you're not convinced, I'm going to explain to you why sheeping my solve is optimal after I die. Treat this as my legacy post. I don't want people to ignore it or brush it aside or just move on to the next name in the POE since this one wasn't a hit. Do me the respect and courtesy of quoting it and going over it collectively after knowing that my solve was made in good faith.

A lot of people have been going on about how my scum range is infinite, I can fake mindmelds, I'm positioned to be scum, whatever. So all the stuff you townread me for in D1/D2 is invalid. That's fair enough. My towniness comes from an aspect of my scum game which I don't fake, which is that I'm a complete control freak as scum.

Fact: either tutuu was shot at by scum last night, or she was blocked from carrying the kill. If I am scum, I never shoot tutuu here, and if I am scum, I never allow tutuu to carry the kill. I would always do it myself because I have very low roleblocker/jailkeeper equity regardless. The people who I've been bonding and forming rapport are have been people like JJJ and to a lesser extent DOOM. This is, again, not the way scum me plays. I'd go for the pocket on nutella/Esooa, players who are 1) good 2) widely townread 3) already have existing rapport with me because of out of game interactions, not someone I rarely talk to and a complete newcomer who I've never seen before. If I am scum, I do a hell of a lot more to get myself out of the "if there's a deepwolf look here first" territory. Because even if the role claims hadn't happened the way they did, town would've realized that the POE was rotten relatively soon and I would want to position myself to get out of firing range when that happened.

You can call this WIFOM if you want, but these patterns have been happening since the start of the game, and I don't think that far ahead. In particular, it doesn't make sense for mafia!Alison to intentionally botch the N2 nightkill just to get a bit of WIFOM equity, and since mafia!Alison has no reason to allow partner tutuu to carry the nightkill or shoot town tutuu, there are no worlds where that result comes out if I'm a mafia member.

There is consensus suspicion on me. This means that if I am scum I am bussed. Mafia Alison would have enough pride in her mafia play that she wouldn't let herself be the sacrificial bus D3 under bad circumstances for mafia, because she knows she's probably the best player in this game at pulling mafia out of a bad spot. (See: Space Invaders, Shadow Corridors, etc.) There is no world where she goes "okay guys just vote me out and get as much towncred as you can" in scum chat. The only person who has been defending me is Grogu, and if you think I could stand to be in the same scum chat as Grogu for five seconds without laser precision guiding all his posts you don't know me. If the world you are entertaining is a world where scum Alison asks scum Grogu to defend her, best they can come up with would not be "I just think Alison is town". When I was scum in Shadow Corridors with Marmot I left him page after page of possible arguments and excuses he could use in endgame.

So that's my towncase on myself. Believe it or don't. If you don't believe it, commit to sheeping me after my flip.

lol town

im just curious how the memory is so distinct that they think that this is a valid comparison and part of their main argument.

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:30 pm What is bypassed?

doom is permabanend on both mafiascum and mafiauniverse - to bypass means to avoid your ban and create an account to play on the site

anyways meta is trash i can link u 3 town games that are different than that game just as easily.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:24 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:23 pm hm my second choice. but im pretty sure im still right on the other game im thinking of.
Wait you think you are right, even though I told you the answer

what

yes i think u bypassed on MS recently lol but i dont have to get into that

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:23 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:09 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:08 pm So D has cop 1 shot
Jailkeep
Vanilla townie
Wolf 1 shot vig

We are missing a vig. Is Nutella the vig or the target n1?
What are the odds jailkeeper saved or stopped a kill both nights? That’s legendary stuff if so
I've been in mafia teams that have had this D matrix setup before. Not exactly the same but similar.

We saved the mafia vig for the claimed PR always
No one claimed yesterday? I remember essoa fake claiming stuff. That making him more scum by the minute

her

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:54 pm This is the point I hate about mafia, having to fight people lying about your game, it's kind of annoying because you spend more time on yourself than solving.

ironic u said this though

hm my second choice. but im pretty sure im still right on the other game im thinking of.

i already have an idea of what it is -> but it'll be easier for me if you admit it so i can link it.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:15 pm I can not, IP banned.

what site? what was the game name? when was it? number of players?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:13 pm Koba is just mad at anyone thinking they are mafia, I know that sometimes it can be genuine to get upset at certain reads when they feel unjust toward you, but Koba is just shooting down anything.

can u link the game u spectated?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:09 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:03 pm Immediately emerging note from my Alison analyses:

For my current POE (Alison, Grogu, Omega, DK, Esooa) to be correct, then my analysis suggests the team would have to be exactly [Alison, Grogu, DK]. Alison fits poorly with Esooa and Omega. If it isn't exactly that, then I already have something wrong. So please y'all, take a look at my shit and tell me how you feel. My reads haven't been great this game, so I cannot claim to have piles of confidence.
ur just saying words but ok
I'm trying my best. If you don't respect it, that's a you thing. But I'm trying my best.

can u stop like gaslighting me cuz u have been constatnly calling me maf and yet ur like appealing to me like im town so which is it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:03 pm Immediately emerging note from my Alison analyses:

For my current POE (Alison, Grogu, Omega, DK, Esooa) to be correct, then my analysis suggests the team would have to be exactly [Alison, Grogu, DK]. Alison fits poorly with Esooa and Omega. If it isn't exactly that, then I already have something wrong. So please y'all, take a look at my shit and tell me how you feel. My reads haven't been great this game, so I cannot claim to have piles of confidence.

ur just saying words but ok

does anyone actually believe doom pretending to not be sure about claims while refusing to hardclaim

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:47 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:28 pm spf she's literally softing theyre going to cc u and testing if they should lmfao
This is not true. She has not done that, she made a lot of sense actually.

then why do they keep shading spf and are saying im scummy for assuming she's clear?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:46 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:41 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:38 pm Koba is saying that I'm planning and setting up this massive CC that would be a shock to this game, but stopped because they pointed it out right before I did it.

I like the fantasy world
hardclaim ur role
Mafia vig

cool

[VOTE: doom] aubergine

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:38 pm Koba is saying that I'm planning and setting up this massive CC that would be a shock to this game, but stopped because they pointed it out right before I did it.

I like the fantasy world

hardclaim ur role

i mean now she wont bc i called her on it

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