The Syndicate

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:58 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:55 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:52 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:50 pm

I also kinda agree with this I think??


But, if it’s between me, Sean (who I’m assuming is sus based on the fact that the choice is correctly between a ridiculously slanking made and him) and Tim...and ur voting Tim, something ain’t right

Eh, if you actually read Tim's posts carefully, there is a ton of wolf-indicative things.

Pretty much all he has done today is go after you (Made) for... posting music videos?

Oh bullshit.

I have given reads to anyone who asked for them, on whoever they wanted reads on.

You on the other hand have made exactly one read, on me.

Dude, what world are you living in? Nook and Enrique were my main suspects for most of today, but your push on me has been wolfy AF so you have sidetracked me. I have given quite a few townreads as well. Did you even read my ISO?

Yes I did...and I summarized TO YOU what I found there.

And yet you're still accusing me of having only made one read?

That was what I said in that summary, yes. I don't count "I'm a wolf and this is my team hur hur hur" as reads. I don't count "look here is a rainbow list of names in random order" as giving reads.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:59 pm I kinda think Alison might be mafia but idk why I think this


Kyle daisy enrique made syn sean are my town

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:57 pm I just want to point out that somewhere along the line Daisy silently unvoted from wherever she was parked.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:55 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:52 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:50 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:43 pm nanook is probably a wolf skating by but trying to wagon him atp causes more harm than good. Just vote between made and seanzie tbh.

I agree with this and it should be repeated tomorrow.

I also kinda agree with this I think??


But, if it’s between me, Sean (who I’m assuming is sus based on the fact that the choice is correctly between a ridiculously slanking made and him) and Tim...and ur voting Tim, something ain’t right

Eh, if you actually read Tim's posts carefully, there is a ton of wolf-indicative things.

Pretty much all he has done today is go after you (Made) for... posting music videos?

Oh bullshit.

I have given reads to anyone who asked for them, on whoever they wanted reads on.

You on the other hand have made exactly one read, on me.

Dude, what world are you living in? Nook and Enrique were my main suspects for most of today, but your push on me has been wolfy AF so you have sidetracked me. I have given quite a few townreads as well. Did you even read my ISO?

Yes I did...and I summarized TO YOU what I found there.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:52 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:50 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:43 pm nanook is probably a wolf skating by but trying to wagon him atp causes more harm than good. Just vote between made and seanzie tbh.

I agree with this and it should be repeated tomorrow.

I also kinda agree with this I think??


But, if it’s between me, Sean (who I’m assuming is sus based on the fact that the choice is correctly between a ridiculously slanking made and him) and Tim...and ur voting Tim, something ain’t right

Eh, if you actually read Tim's posts carefully, there is a ton of wolf-indicative things.

Pretty much all he has done today is go after you (Made) for... posting music videos?

Oh bullshit.

I have given reads to anyone who asked for them, on whoever they wanted reads on.

You on the other hand have made exactly one read, on me.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:53 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:52 pm I can also clear myself tomorrow, so voting for not me is a good idea.

I dont believe vagueclaims 7 minutes before eod

Made wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:50 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:43 pm nanook is probably a wolf skating by but trying to wagon him atp causes more harm than good. Just vote between made and seanzie tbh.

I agree with this and it should be repeated tomorrow.

I also kinda agree with this I think??


But, if it’s between me, Sean (who I’m assuming is sus based on the fact that the choice is correctly between a ridiculously slanking made and him) and Tim...and ur voting Tim, something ain’t right

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:43 pm nanook is probably a wolf skating by but trying to wagon him atp causes more harm than good. Just vote between made and seanzie tbh.

I agree with this and it should be repeated tomorrow.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:45 pm don't worry seanzie if you flip town ill just vig Alison and solve the game through her associatives

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:43 pm nanook is probably a wolf skating by but trying to wagon him atp causes more harm than good. Just vote between made and seanzie tbh.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:42 pm im just here lolling about how made and seanzie suddenly appeared

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:41 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:38 pm Wife is here gotta drive home, won't be back for deadline

Pretty sure Sean and falcon both town, parking on tim

Speaking of bloody awful wagons. How am I at three votes with not a reason between them?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:31 pm Falcon wagon is almost certainly on a town by gamestate since it was the highest wagon for no good reason despite Falcon being townie, and all the people voting him were scummy. And now we are at EOD and nothing has changed.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:15 pm guys in 2 more posts i'll have 11111 posts on this forum

1 after this

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:51 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:42 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:33 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:30 pm

TSP seems to be doing his usual day one minimalist act. My experience is that pressuring him will just get blown off. He will either make a really good vote or some lucky mech break and be (probably) cleared or he will anticipate the pressure and get started playing. Null-not killing now.

Enrique I think has done some good stuff pushing and reading. Nothing definitive but certainly worth carrying forward. Lean town.

Alison I have as town because her early involvement in the mech spec was too uninformed to be someone with access to multiple role cards. Not impossible to fake, but certainly hard. Town.

What is the difference in your mind regarding TSP doing nothing today vs. Made doing nothing today?

Primarily the difference is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted.

Since working with you is like pulling teeth, let me ask more specific questions since you don't want to help.

Is it specifically that pressuring TSP will just get blown off? If this is the case, how do you feel about the effect you've had on Made thus far? If that isn't the case, can you please at least try to play well with others and clarify on the difference?

I've been down that road with TSP before, and a whole lot of people told me "yeah not helping you press TSP because it won't work, but good luck." Many of those players are in this game, so I am not going to waste my time trying to mount pressure on TSP here, when TSP is literally doing what TSP always does.

Made has blown me off so far, but there is no predisposition in the player list to just let him get away with it, and he is not in his regular position so I expect a wagon on him as EoD approaches will get his attention.

Okay, fair. Thanks for clarifying.

I want to take this moment to point out that I am a jerk, but not a complete jerk. If you ask a specific question I will almost always answer to the best of my ability. "Questions" of the form "that doesn't make sense" aren't really questions, they are statements that mostly amount to "please repeat yourself" and I just...don't.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:51 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:42 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:33 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:30 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:24 pm hey guys what do you all think about *looks at smudged writing on palm* tanya stonks prime, enreekie, and alison

TSP seems to be doing his usual day one minimalist act. My experience is that pressuring him will just get blown off. He will either make a really good vote or some lucky mech break and be (probably) cleared or he will anticipate the pressure and get started playing. Null-not killing now.

Enrique I think has done some good stuff pushing and reading. Nothing definitive but certainly worth carrying forward. Lean town.

Alison I have as town because her early involvement in the mech spec was too uninformed to be someone with access to multiple role cards. Not impossible to fake, but certainly hard. Town.

What is the difference in your mind regarding TSP doing nothing today vs. Made doing nothing today?

Primarily the difference is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted.

Since working with you is like pulling teeth, let me ask more specific questions since you don't want to help.

Is it specifically that pressuring TSP will just get blown off? If this is the case, how do you feel about the effect you've had on Made thus far? If that isn't the case, can you please at least try to play well with others and clarify on the difference?

I've been down that road with TSP before, and a whole lot of people told me "yeah not helping you press TSP because it won't work, but good luck." Many of those players are in this game, so I am not going to waste my time trying to mount pressure on TSP here, when TSP is literally doing what TSP always does.

Made has blown me off so far, but there is no predisposition in the player list to just let him get away with it, and he is not in his regular position so I expect a wagon on him as EoD approaches will get his attention.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:48 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:32 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:24 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:21 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:43 pm

He put pressure on a gimmick poster that easily could be a wolf. Maybe Made makes a case for himself as town. Maybe he cracks. At least Marmot is putting forth an effort. What does town gain from snarking at him for that?

This is so weird. It is like you want everyone to approach the game exactly the same way you do, and if they don't you ignore what they are doing. Syn gives a read on Marmot, and your response is "what does town gain from this?" The same thing that town gains any time anyone gives a read? You're literally asking Syn for reads, but then seem blind to the fact that Syn is giving them since they don't fit into the "solve" you are pushing (which seems to focus almost entirely on a single player whose flip would give almost zero information either way).

Buzz off. You have made the "I am pretending to try to work with Tim while really just throwing shade" case already, and cast your vote.

Try to find some solving to do, if you are town.

You literally have blinders on. Again, it is like if people don't do EXACTLY what you want, you ignore it. Just because I don't solve the way you want me to doesn't mean I'm not working.

I tried to find common ground with you on your thoughts about Made, asked you for clarification, and you refused to participate. Since 95% of your focus this game has been on Made, it is weird how you didn't want to engage about your thoughts on him. I'm not throwing shade, just telling it how it is.

I freely admit that my response to you has been can't be bothered. You claim some overriding interest in solving my slot, and seem to think that helping you solve my slot should be uppermost in my mind. You have made clear that you are going to contribute nothing to me solving your slot in return. So I have better things to do. There are twenty-two other slots on my mind, and most of them are people I know how to work with and have interest in doing so. Your "I am mafia hard claim" needs to get played off somehow, and good luck with that...but "look now I'm trying to solve Tim but he won't help wah wah wah" isn't how it's gonna happen. So try something else.

Dude, I've been completely open to contributing. You asked me about a single player and I didn't have anything more to say about that, and I told you that I didn't really have anything to say about them and that their place on the "up" list was exactly as adverised, a kneejerk reaction (that isn't refusing to contribute, that is contributing all I had to contribute), and you act like I am refusing to cooperate while you actively refuse to cooperate.

I don't expect you trying to help me solve you to be first-and-foremost in your mind, but most town are willing to work with others in the thread, and you don't seem to have that desire.

My mafia claim doesn't need to be played off, it has served it's purpose quite well. you seem to be the only one hung up on it, and that is wolfy af if you ask me. I gave everyone an easy but bad reason to scumread me (bait), and you have bit hard.

You also have a very rude demeanor, but that is probably NAI.

Here's the deal. You posted a list. I asked a question about it and got an answer that was no help to me. I moved on. The only times I have noticed you since is when you swoop in to throw shade at me and I blow you off. At some point I will pull your ISO, and if that turns out to be all you have been doing I will spike you to the barn door. If it turns out you have been doing good work with people you find more cooperative, cool, I will use your work to solve your slot and take it into account solving the slots of the people you have interacted with.

I genuinely do not care whether that is how you pursue the game, but it is how I pursue the game. "Here's a fully decorated rainbow list of 'reads' I have no intention of using for anything and I won't be taking questions" is of no use to me. Your snipey questions are of no use to me. If they are useful to you generally, cool. I'm sure I will gain much insight from your questioning of all the other players you are questioning.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:42 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:33 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:30 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:24 pm hey guys what do you all think about *looks at smudged writing on palm* tanya stonks prime, enreekie, and alison

TSP seems to be doing his usual day one minimalist act. My experience is that pressuring him will just get blown off. He will either make a really good vote or some lucky mech break and be (probably) cleared or he will anticipate the pressure and get started playing. Null-not killing now.

Enrique I think has done some good stuff pushing and reading. Nothing definitive but certainly worth carrying forward. Lean town.

Alison I have as town because her early involvement in the mech spec was too uninformed to be someone with access to multiple role cards. Not impossible to fake, but certainly hard. Town.

What is the difference in your mind regarding TSP doing nothing today vs. Made doing nothing today?

Primarily the difference is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:32 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:24 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:21 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:43 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:40 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:39 pm


Nice backhand. What's the point of this post?

it is not a backhand

it's very direct

your post made you scummy

He put pressure on a gimmick poster that easily could be a wolf. Maybe Made makes a case for himself as town. Maybe he cracks. At least Marmot is putting forth an effort. What does town gain from snarking at him for that?

This is so weird. It is like you want everyone to approach the game exactly the same way you do, and if they don't you ignore what they are doing. Syn gives a read on Marmot, and your response is "what does town gain from this?" The same thing that town gains any time anyone gives a read? You're literally asking Syn for reads, but then seem blind to the fact that Syn is giving them since they don't fit into the "solve" you are pushing (which seems to focus almost entirely on a single player whose flip would give almost zero information either way).

Buzz off. You have made the "I am pretending to try to work with Tim while really just throwing shade" case already, and cast your vote.

Try to find some solving to do, if you are town.

You literally have blinders on. Again, it is like if people don't do EXACTLY what you want, you ignore it. Just because I don't solve the way you want me to doesn't mean I'm not working.

I tried to find common ground with you on your thoughts about Made, asked you for clarification, and you refused to participate. Since 95% of your focus this game has been on Made, it is weird how you didn't want to engage about your thoughts on him. I'm not throwing shade, just telling it how it is.

I freely admit that my response to you has been can't be bothered. You claim some overriding interest in solving my slot, and seem to think that helping you solve my slot should be uppermost in my mind. You have made clear that you are going to contribute nothing to me solving your slot in return. So I have better things to do. There are twenty-two other slots on my mind, and most of them are people I know how to work with and have interest in doing so. Your "I am mafia hard claim" needs to get played off somehow, and good luck with that...but "look now I'm trying to solve Tim but he won't help wah wah wah" isn't how it's gonna happen. So try something else.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:52 pm Syn giving me the jeebies.

Gavial and Syn top scum.


Kza and Falc top town.

MacDougal and Quin town leans.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:30 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:24 pm hey guys what do you all think about *looks at smudged writing on palm* tanya stonks prime, enreekie, and alison

TSP seems to be doing his usual day one minimalist act. My experience is that pressuring him will just get blown off. He will either make a really good vote or some lucky mech break and be (probably) cleared or he will anticipate the pressure and get started playing. Null-not killing now.

Enrique I think has done some good stuff pushing and reading. Nothing definitive but certainly worth carrying forward. Lean town.

Alison I have as town because her early involvement in the mech spec was too uninformed to be someone with access to multiple role cards. Not impossible to fake, but certainly hard. Town.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:24 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:21 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:43 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:40 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:39 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:36 pm and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Nice backhand. What's the point of this post?

it is not a backhand

it's very direct

your post made you scummy

He put pressure on a gimmick poster that easily could be a wolf. Maybe Made makes a case for himself as town. Maybe he cracks. At least Marmot is putting forth an effort. What does town gain from snarking at him for that?

This is so weird. It is like you want everyone to approach the game exactly the same way you do, and if they don't you ignore what they are doing. Syn gives a read on Marmot, and your response is "what does town gain from this?" The same thing that town gains any time anyone gives a read? You're literally asking Syn for reads, but then seem blind to the fact that Syn is giving them since they don't fit into the "solve" you are pushing (which seems to focus almost entirely on a single player whose flip would give almost zero information either way).

Buzz off. You have made the "I am pretending to try to work with Tim while really just throwing shade" case already, and cast your vote.

Try to find some solving to do, if you are town.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:43 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:40 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:39 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:36 pm and just like that marmot's town equity plummets

Nice backhand. What's the point of this post?

it is not a backhand

it's very direct

your post made you scummy

He put pressure on a gimmick poster that easily could be a wolf. Maybe Made makes a case for himself as town. Maybe he cracks. At least Marmot is putting forth an effort. What does town gain from snarking at him for that?

lost monkey wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:57 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:56 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:55 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:49 pm it wasn't a random list, i picked the names on it specifically because they're players who i feel like i can potentially gauge reactions from, based on recent past experience, except for Bo and also, i guess, Nanook.

wait so you made a reads list and u had me on it and I haven't even posted yet and it wasn't a random list, it wasn't a jk thing? it wasn't day 1 lol mememing?

I ignored it when I read it, might have done a bit of smh, but ignored it.

only thing I can think of is you is scum now. complete and utterly scum. only reason you don't know jack squat is you probably mafia.

to clarify further I had you on the list cus I've seen you react strongly to being mentioned in previous games,

the idea being that you'd see your name on the list and go "what the heck" and then react in some strong way that would allow a tone read to be based off of. that fell apart because you hadn't actually posted anything yet, making the premise obvious

What about the other ones?

Qwags wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:43 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:51 pm @Qwags what other reads do you have

I wanna know why Tim wanted to vote Senzie so quickly. Seems to be a vote just for the sake of voting.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:46 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:45 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:36 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:34 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:58 pm

Hi Daisy!!!

I think we should probably all vote Seanzie unless a really obvious wolf comes along, because he is at best intentionally useless and at worst an openwolf playing on TWTBAW. What do you think?

I think this is dumb

[VOTE: timsup2wolfin] aubergine

I've missed your constant tunneling so. How come you have turned into such a good player in so many ways but haven't gotten over the "just vote Tim always no matter what" thing?

have you tried not being wolfy

Sure. That usually results in a whole bunch of people realizing I am not a wolf, and you tunneling madly along. This game good case in point. There are plenty of people in this game that buy their timfoil in the giant economy rolls, and even they for the most part have settled on me being towny enough for now. I get in this little bounce with Seanzie and here you come, excavator on high speed.

It's only frustrating because I just watched you play really well...in a game I wasn't in.

This is >>>rand wolf IMO.

Your opinion, as you noted regarding your reads list, isn't worth shit.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:45 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:36 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:34 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:58 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:56 pmhi tim! hi!

Hi Daisy!!!

I think we should probably all vote Seanzie unless a really obvious wolf comes along, because he is at best intentionally useless and at worst an openwolf playing on TWTBAW. What do you think?

I think this is dumb

[VOTE: timsup2wolfin] aubergine

I've missed your constant tunneling so. How come you have turned into such a good player in so many ways but haven't gotten over the "just vote Tim always no matter what" thing?

have you tried not being wolfy

Sure. That usually results in a whole bunch of people realizing I am not a wolf, and you tunneling madly along. This game good case in point. There are plenty of people in this game that buy their timfoil in the giant economy rolls, and even they for the most part have settled on me being towny enough for now. I get in this little bounce with Seanzie and here you come, excavator on high speed.

It's only frustrating because I just watched you play really well...in a game I wasn't in.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:59 pm

Spoiler: show

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:01 pm

I was actually just asking you how you came up with Made as town. Based on his position in the list it seems like it was one of the "easy ones" and I legit do not see how it could be. This response to being asked about it sort of supports the idea that you just threw him onto the list in a predetermined "looks good here" position rather than actually considering what his alignment might be...so feel free to list me as "downed" because I feel pretty much the same about you.

I made it pretty clear upfront that the list was kneejerk reactions. Yes, Made was easy to have a kneejerk reaction for, and I spent about 1.5 seconds considering his alignment. Don't know what more to tell you there.

You didn't clarify what you were saying about Made. None of it makes sense. If you're town, help me find you by explaining please.

I'm on the new end of this commitment to being cooperative, but...just nah.

You have done nothing but open claim mafia, make up a reads list that when questioned on you take zero responsibility for, and you want me to "help you find me"? Screw it, you can just die and watch from DVC and decide if I am town, since you are apparently not interested in being found yourself.

I tried.

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

to do what, exactly?

To work with you if you're town. Sorry that I didn't have anything more to say about Made, but I answered as honestly as I could. I didn't think about it, I just added him to the "up" pile because that is where my kneejerk reaction told me to put him. I still haven't thought about him, and honestly in a game this size, there are a lot of players I probably won't have deep thoughts on for a while.

You on the other hand had a lot to say about Made. Great, nothing wrong with that, in fact having a lot to say is usually >rand town. But, what you said didn't make sense. I asked you to clarify, and you didnt. I asked you again, and you refused and instead just turned to saying that I've done nothing. I tried to work with you, but I can't work with that.

Yeah if you really wanna work with me you are gonna have to meet me halfway. "I hard claim mafia, make up a 'reads list' and then brush off questions about it, but if I say "you don't make sense" you are obligated to spoon feed me" just doesn't cut it. If anyone else is having a hard time making sense out of what I said about Made they are free to ask questions. In fact you are too. (for the record "that doesn't make sense" isn't a question) But notice that no one else seems to think I "didn't make sense."

I legit think that what I said about Made was pretty straightforward. I think you tried a simple "spin it back at you" tactic when I asked you about your read, and that was a good thing for you to try since really "oh well yeah I made this list but it isn't like they are really reads" is gonna impress anyone. I also think you might have just spun up this whole interaction to give you an excuse to plant a basically meaningless vote somewhere that you won't have to take responsibility for it.

In short, the only thing I think you have going for you is the TWTBAW reaction from your first openwolf claim. You haven't tried to solve. You didn't actually try to "work with Tim and see if I can find him town." You haven't given any reads that can be used to solve you post flip. You now have your vote parked in an off corner that will "justify" you having no established position on the wagons that are relevant. You are probably just a wolf since there is zero reason available to say that you aren't.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:59 pm

Spoiler: show

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:01 pm

I was actually just asking you how you came up with Made as town. Based on his position in the list it seems like it was one of the "easy ones" and I legit do not see how it could be. This response to being asked about it sort of supports the idea that you just threw him onto the list in a predetermined "looks good here" position rather than actually considering what his alignment might be...so feel free to list me as "downed" because I feel pretty much the same about you.

I made it pretty clear upfront that the list was kneejerk reactions. Yes, Made was easy to have a kneejerk reaction for, and I spent about 1.5 seconds considering his alignment. Don't know what more to tell you there.

You didn't clarify what you were saying about Made. None of it makes sense. If you're town, help me find you by explaining please.

I'm on the new end of this commitment to being cooperative, but...just nah.

You have done nothing but open claim mafia, make up a reads list that when questioned on you take zero responsibility for, and you want me to "help you find me"? Screw it, you can just die and watch from DVC and decide if I am town, since you are apparently not interested in being found yourself.

I tried.

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

to do what, exactly?

To work with you if you're town. Sorry that I didn't have anything more to say about Made, but I answered as honestly as I could. I didn't think about it, I just added him to the "up" pile because that is where my kneejerk reaction told me to put him. I still haven't thought about him, and honestly in a game this size, there are a lot of players I probably won't have deep thoughts on for a while.

You on the other hand had a lot to say about Made. Great, nothing wrong with that, in fact having a lot to say is usually >rand town. But, what you said didn't make sense. I asked you to clarify, and you didnt. I asked you again, and you refused and instead just turned to saying that I've done nothing. I tried to work with you, but I can't work with that.

Yeah if you really wanna work with me you are gonna have to meet me halfway. "I hard claim mafia, make up a 'reads list' and then brush off questions about it, but if I say "you don't make sense" you are obligated to spoon feed me" just doesn't cut it. If anyone else is having a hard time making sense out of what I said about Made they are free to ask questions. In fact you are too. (for the record "that doesn't make sense" isn't a question) But notice that no one else seems to think I "didn't make sense."

I legit think that what I said about Made was pretty straightforward. I think you tried a simple "spin it back at you" tactic when I asked you about your read, and that was a good thing for you to try since really "oh well yeah I made this list but it isn't like they are really reads" is gonna impress anyone. I also think you might have just spun up this whole interaction to give you an excuse to plant a basically meaningless vote somewhere that you won't have to take responsibility for it.

In short, the only thing I think you have going for you is the TWTBAW reaction from your first openwolf claim. You haven't tried to solve. You didn't actually try to "work with Tim and see if I can find him town." You haven't given any reads that can be used to solve you post flip. You now have your vote parked in an off corner that will "justify" you having no established position on the wagons that are relevant. You are probably just a wolf since there is zero reason available to say that you aren't.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:30 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:59 pm

Spoiler: show

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:09 pm

I made it pretty clear upfront that the list was kneejerk reactions. Yes, Made was easy to have a kneejerk reaction for, and I spent about 1.5 seconds considering his alignment. Don't know what more to tell you there.

You didn't clarify what you were saying about Made. None of it makes sense. If you're town, help me find you by explaining please.

I'm on the new end of this commitment to being cooperative, but...just nah.

You have done nothing but open claim mafia, make up a reads list that when questioned on you take zero responsibility for, and you want me to "help you find me"? Screw it, you can just die and watch from DVC and decide if I am town, since you are apparently not interested in being found yourself.

I tried.

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

to do what, exactly?

To work with you if you're town. Sorry that I didn't have anything more to say about Made, but I answered as honestly as I could. I didn't think about it, I just added him to the "up" pile because that is where my kneejerk reaction told me to put him. I still haven't thought about him, and honestly in a game this size, there are a lot of players I probably won't have deep thoughts on for a while.

You on the other hand had a lot to say about Made. Great, nothing wrong with that, in fact having a lot to say is usually >rand town. But, what you said didn't make sense. I asked you to clarify, and you didnt. I asked you again, and you refused and instead just turned to saying that I've done nothing. I tried to work with you, but I can't work with that.

Yeah if you really wanna work with me you are gonna have to meet me halfway. "I hard claim mafia, make up a 'reads list' and then brush off questions about it, but if I say "you don't make sense" you are obligated to spoon feed me" just doesn't cut it. If anyone else is having a hard time making sense out of what I said about Made they are free to ask questions. In fact you are too. (for the record "that doesn't make sense" isn't a question) But notice that no one else seems to think I "didn't make sense."

I legit think that what I said about Made was pretty straightforward. I think you tried a simple "spin it back at you" tactic when I asked you about your read, and that was a good thing for you to try since really "oh well yeah I made this list but it isn't like they are really reads" is gonna impress anyone. I also think you might have just spun up this whole interaction to give you an excuse to plant a basically meaningless vote somewhere that you won't have to take responsibility for it.

In short, the only thing I think you have going for you is the TWTBAW reaction from your first openwolf claim. You haven't tried to solve. You didn't actually try to "work with Tim and see if I can find him town." You haven't given any reads that can be used to solve you post flip. You now have your vote parked in an off corner that will "justify" you having no established position on the wagons that are relevant. You are probably just a wolf since there is zero reason available to say that you aren't.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:59 pm

Spoiler: show

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:01 pm

I was actually just asking you how you came up with Made as town. Based on his position in the list it seems like it was one of the "easy ones" and I legit do not see how it could be. This response to being asked about it sort of supports the idea that you just threw him onto the list in a predetermined "looks good here" position rather than actually considering what his alignment might be...so feel free to list me as "downed" because I feel pretty much the same about you.

I made it pretty clear upfront that the list was kneejerk reactions. Yes, Made was easy to have a kneejerk reaction for, and I spent about 1.5 seconds considering his alignment. Don't know what more to tell you there.

You didn't clarify what you were saying about Made. None of it makes sense. If you're town, help me find you by explaining please.

I'm on the new end of this commitment to being cooperative, but...just nah.

You have done nothing but open claim mafia, make up a reads list that when questioned on you take zero responsibility for, and you want me to "help you find me"? Screw it, you can just die and watch from DVC and decide if I am town, since you are apparently not interested in being found yourself.

I tried.

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

to do what, exactly?

To work with you if you're town. Sorry that I didn't have anything more to say about Made, but I answered as honestly as I could. I didn't think about it, I just added him to the "up" pile because that is where my kneejerk reaction told me to put him. I still haven't thought about him, and honestly in a game this size, there are a lot of players I probably won't have deep thoughts on for a while.

You on the other hand had a lot to say about Made. Great, nothing wrong with that, in fact having a lot to say is usually >rand town. But, what you said didn't make sense. I asked you to clarify, and you didnt. I asked you again, and you refused and instead just turned to saying that I've done nothing. I tried to work with you, but I can't work with that.

Yeah if you really wanna work with me you are gonna have to meet me halfway. "I hard claim mafia, make up a 'reads list' and then brush off questions about it, but if I say "you don't make sense" you are obligated to spoon feed me" just doesn't cut it. If anyone else is having a hard time making sense out of what I said about Made they are free to ask questions. In fact you are too. (for the record "that doesn't make sense" isn't a question) But notice that no one else seems to think I "didn't make sense."

I legit think that what I said about Made was pretty straightforward. I think you tried a simple "spin it back at you" tactic when I asked you about your read, and that was a good thing for you to try since really "oh well yeah I made this list but it isn't like they are really reads" is gonna impress anyone. I also think you might have just spun up this whole interaction to give you an excuse to plant a basically meaningless vote somewhere that you won't have to take responsibility for it.

In short, the only thing I think you have going for you is the TWTBAW reaction from your first openwolf claim. You haven't tried to solve. You didn't actually try to "work with Tim and see if I can find him town." You haven't given any reads that can be used to solve you post flip. You now have your vote parked in an off corner that will "justify" you having no established position on the wagons that are relevant. You are probably just a wolf since there is zero reason available to say that you aren't.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:23 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:10 pm Unless it’s their meta, I think KZA voting for low-hanging fruit Marmot right now is scummy. I can name about 5 other names that have more content and are objectively, subjectively scummier.

CMV

are you trolling right now or

CMV

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:42 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:26 pm

Since Syn pinged me just in time to see this...why Made?

I can, if forced, go along with "well, open claiming mafia is just what Seanzie does, it's NAI" and continue studying you, but Made throwing an "I'm just gonna post music vids, screw it" party is distinctly not in line with his town behavior and is a lot closer to his play in Double Elimination where he came right out the gates looking to eat the day one bus for his team.

I can get as far as this being NAI maybe, because sure, wolfMade maybe doesn't want to just die day one twice in a row and get a reputation as that wolf...but in that case why not just play his town game?

I didn't think, I just sorted. My kneejerk reaction is that Made should go in "up".

I don't think I normally open claim mafia. I just decide to this game. Nothing is NAI, everything is AI if given enough context.

I feel like you said a lot of words about Made just now, but actually reading it, I get the sneaking feeling you aren't actually trying to communicate with me. Consider yourself officially downed.

In case I am wrong though, can you explain what you're saying? You seem to say that Made is playing just like wolf!Made in a recent game where he wanted to give his town a path to victory by getting bussed, but then you're saying this is NAI? Why? because wolf!Made might not want to play that way? I don't see how this would be reason to think what you're seeing in Made is NAI at all (aside from the fact that nothing is NAI).

I was actually just asking you how you came up with Made as town. Based on his position in the list it seems like it was one of the "easy ones" and I legit do not see how it could be. This response to being asked about it sort of supports the idea that you just threw him onto the list in a predetermined "looks good here" position rather than actually considering what his alignment might be...so feel free to list me as "downed" because I feel pretty much the same about you.

I made it pretty clear upfront that the list was kneejerk reactions. Yes, Made was easy to have a kneejerk reaction for, and I spent about 1.5 seconds considering his alignment. Don't know what more to tell you there.

You didn't clarify what you were saying about Made. None of it makes sense. If you're town, help me find you by explaining please.

I'm on the new end of this commitment to being cooperative, but...just nah.

You have done nothing but open claim mafia, make up a reads list that when questioned on you take zero responsibility for, and you want me to "help you find me"? Screw it, you can just die and watch from DVC and decide if I am town, since you are apparently not interested in being found yourself.

I tried.

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

to do what, exactly?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:42 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:26 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:05 pm No thought, just sort. The order in tiers is not perfectly sorted, but the people who come before others in the same tier I had an easier time making a kneejerk read on (I copied the whole list, then sorted the ones I had insta-feelz for first, then once I had a smaller list, forced myself to go through each person and sort them).

Up
Scotty
MacDougall
Made
Marmot
lost monkey
Kylemii
KZA
Long Con
DaisyCloud
Syn
falcon45ca
BoKnows

Neither
Jackofhearts2005
Qwags
Nachomamma8
Alison
Timsup2nothin
Gavial
Quin
Stupid Sexy Flanders

Down
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Enrique
TonyStarkPrime


Seanzie

Since Syn pinged me just in time to see this...why Made?

I can, if forced, go along with "well, open claiming mafia is just what Seanzie does, it's NAI" and continue studying you, but Made throwing an "I'm just gonna post music vids, screw it" party is distinctly not in line with his town behavior and is a lot closer to his play in Double Elimination where he came right out the gates looking to eat the day one bus for his team.

I can get as far as this being NAI maybe, because sure, wolfMade maybe doesn't want to just die day one twice in a row and get a reputation as that wolf...but in that case why not just play his town game?

I didn't think, I just sorted. My kneejerk reaction is that Made should go in "up".

I don't think I normally open claim mafia. I just decide to this game. Nothing is NAI, everything is AI if given enough context.

I feel like you said a lot of words about Made just now, but actually reading it, I get the sneaking feeling you aren't actually trying to communicate with me. Consider yourself officially downed.

In case I am wrong though, can you explain what you're saying? You seem to say that Made is playing just like wolf!Made in a recent game where he wanted to give his town a path to victory by getting bussed, but then you're saying this is NAI? Why? because wolf!Made might not want to play that way? I don't see how this would be reason to think what you're seeing in Made is NAI at all (aside from the fact that nothing is NAI).

I was actually just asking you how you came up with Made as town. Based on his position in the list it seems like it was one of the "easy ones" and I legit do not see how it could be. This response to being asked about it sort of supports the idea that you just threw him onto the list in a predetermined "looks good here" position rather than actually considering what his alignment might be...so feel free to list me as "downed" because I feel pretty much the same about you.

I made it pretty clear upfront that the list was kneejerk reactions. Yes, Made was easy to have a kneejerk reaction for, and I spent about 1.5 seconds considering his alignment. Don't know what more to tell you there.

You didn't clarify what you were saying about Made. None of it makes sense. If you're town, help me find you by explaining please.

I'm on the new end of this commitment to being cooperative, but...just nah.

You have done nothing but open claim mafia, make up a reads list that when questioned on you take zero responsibility for, and you want me to "help you find me"? Screw it, you can just die and watch from DVC and decide if I am town, since you are apparently not interested in being found yourself.