The Syndicate

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:55 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:53 pm

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:52 pm Also I was hardly Lily's biggest pusher so idek what to tell you here. I was wrong on literally one read, you're holding me to an impossible standard Creature, that's why I really hope you're just a wolf here snowing everyone

Well now I hope you're just a wolf here too because it feels like you only want to make me feel bad

I mean... I'm not really trying to make you feel bad. I apologize for that, but you have to see why I'm frustrated here when you're only reason to push me is because I was wrong on exactly one read? And me saying I hope you're a wolf is a compliment, because if you are a wolf then that means you're playing really well. If you're town it doesn't really mean anything except that you ML'd me, which isn't necessarily a bad play on its own.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:53 pm ad time for me to ask but what's a legacy, just like a "before a die, here's a big post summarizing my positions on various things"?

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:42 pm Creature please stop embarrassing yourself, this is almost painful for me to watch

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:38 pm If Creature's observation is true then I'm happy with just nuking Falcon and Wilgy

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:30 pm I could push over Creature easy yesterday. Ik no one here knows me, so they don't understand how much influence I have as wolf typically but Creature isn't exactly a hard push for me lol.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:22 pm Aye, that's it for Jack.

I think Neon looks slightly better than Porscha when considering the ISO.

Anne looks bad. Porscha looks bad. Shia I think looks bad? but that's because I think he was accepting the yeet on those interactions. Neon looks bad, but not as bad as I saw Obscurity make it out to be earlier. Obscurity looks good. Falcon looks good. I stand by Creature/Pyxxy/Seanzie clear on this.

Tell me about Anne.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:22 pm Aye, that's it for Jack.

I think Neon looks slightly better than Porscha when considering the ISO.

Anne looks bad. Porscha looks bad. Shia I think looks bad? but that's because I think he was accepting the yeet on those interactions. Neon looks bad, but not as bad as I saw Obscurity make it out to be earlier. Obscurity looks good. Falcon looks good. I stand by Creature/Pyxxy/Seanzie clear on this.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:52 pm @Schiavetto help me yeet Creature.

@DrWilgy and @falcon45ca and @pyxxy

By our powers combined, we can avoid another tragedy for the MafiaSyndicate Universe.

Like I disagree with the votes on you, but I'd not yeet Creature in your place.

You two are more likely T/T than you Falc/Nook either of those slots may flip w.

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@falcon45ca my friend, you have an hour to do some legitimate hunting. Collect a pelt. What do you make of me currently? What do you make of Jack? Nook? Your Creature votes previous, what were those based on?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:38 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:52 pm @Schiavetto help me yeet Creature.

@DrWilgy and @falcon45ca and @pyxxy

By our powers combined, we can avoid another tragedy for the MafiaSyndicate Universe.

This doesn't help your case. You seem uninterested to solve.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:21 pm Like honestly, who has spent more time solving today, me or Creature?

Who has spent more time solving, D4 me or entire game Creature?

I'd be offended if I thought you were town.

Eh. I actually kinda agree with Jack here. I can imagine being frustrated by this.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:52 pm @Schiavetto help me yeet Creature.

@DrWilgy and @falcon45ca and @pyxxy

By our powers combined, we can avoid another tragedy for the MafiaSyndicate Universe.

Like I disagree with the votes on you, but I'd not yeet Creature in your place.

You two are more likely T/T than you Falc/Nook either of those slots may flip w.

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@falcon45ca my friend, you have an hour to do some legitimate hunting. Collect a pelt. What do you make of me currently? What do you make of Jack? Nook? Your Creature votes previous, what were those based on?

Let's do these all as GTH reads, and I'll give blurb or two, shall we? I've not spent a lot of time reading, and I'm not pretend like I have.


I did go thru Jack's ISO quickly a short time ago, and the thing that struck me the most is how...I dunno, polite? It is. I didn't really get the sense he's trying to get his hands dirty. GTH he's town tho, even if that sounds odd from what I've just said.


Nook is never an easy read for me, I just find the few posts I've read to have an agenda...like, he's scheming behind the scenes and guiding things in his own subtle way. GTH he's Maf


I find Creatures early interactions with me to come across like he's TR my slot, and there's no reason to do so. GTH he's Maf

I'm rescinding my read on Falcon for now, I think W falcon kinda just ignores my inquiry tbh. This is also the lightest of reads which I need more content for.

Also I'm half inclined to believe Jack's read.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:45 pm This EoD feels bad.

Jack V Creature is T/T

Vetto with the lone Lucy vote lol.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:52 pm Did a quick last min skim of Creature and I don't remember why I recall him being towny.

This post early d1 stood out to me

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:37 pm lmao Sabi is so town

but prob for a very bad reason

Then Rondo Dies and his entire gameplan this cycle has been "Lily wagon bad, yeet Jack" on loop.

No, I agree with Jack here, Creature hasn't been solving he's been stuck on loop.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm Now that I've skimmed (ty work day ending btw), I recall thinking Creature was wolfy early into the game because of their seeming willingness to vote wherever.

Just in review of today, there's like:
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Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:31 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:49 pm This kill basically says that the people who shut up are bigger threats than the people trying to be loud and control stuff (that and possibly doc dodging)

@Ruri who did you target

I think Jack is town but I'm not planning to try to control anything anymore, placing my vote on who I suspect.

Jack wagon yesterday seemed pretty pure yesterday (Seanzie, NANOOK, Rondo, Lilypetal, me). In contrast, the Lilypetal wagon was full of sketchballs (anne, Neon, falcon45ca, Jack himself, Ruri + 3 or 4 players I forgot).

atp I am considering Jack outed because I'm struggling to see the world Jack is town and wolves decided to pile on the Lilypetal wagon without ever touching the town!Jack wagon.

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Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:36 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:31 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:49 pm This kill basically says that the people who shut up are bigger threats than the people trying to be loud and control stuff (that and possibly doc dodging)

@Ruri who did you target

I think Jack is town but I'm not planning to try to control anything anymore, placing my vote on who I suspect.

Jack wagon yesterday seemed pretty pure yesterday (Seanzie, NANOOK, Rondo, Lilypetal, me). In contrast, the Lilypetal wagon was full of sketchballs (anne, Neon, falcon45ca, Jack himself, Ruri + 3 or 4 players I forgot).

atp I am considering Jack outed because I'm struggling to see the world Jack is town and wolves decided to pile on the Lilypetal wagon without ever touching the town!Jack wagon.

Oh right the Lilypetal wagon also had Porscha, Schiavetto and obscurity.

Jack wagon: me, Seanzie, NANOOK, Lilypetal, Rondo (before moving to random vanity wagon, most specifically anne).

Lilypetal wagon: anne, Neon, falcon45ca, Jack, Ruri, Porscha, Schiavetto, Obscurity.

I know I'm town. Both Lilypetal and Rondo flipped town. So unless there's wolf within Seanzie/NANOOK, wolves didn't bother to join the Jack wagon yesterday, not even to split their votes up.

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Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:01 pm Jack should prob be resolved today because yesterday's Lilypetal wagon sucked ass and I find it hard wolves all piled there and none of them went for a town!Jack mislynch.

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Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:30 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:35 pm @Creature why are you going jack again, i’m much more confident in wigly/anne flips

I can do Jack or anne today.

I think both are likely wolves.

I have a preference for Jack because we need to sort yesterday's wagons. If Jack and Lily were v/v then why were the wolves all on Lilypetal and not a single one on Jack?

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Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:38 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

I'll use it until Jack flips or is mech cleared somehow. The Lilypetal wagon yesterday was extremely wolfy and I feel like its motovation was to save wolf!Jack.

If that's not convincing you on wolf!Jack:
- Jack seemed mostly worried about how he looked than solving.
- Jack's play here is not matching King of the Hill.
- Mac was wolfreading Jack with an actual tell.
- Mac would say we should always sort the counterwagon.

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Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:33 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:03 pm Here are the post counts from the start of Day 3. I screenshotted them before the night ended but was too lazy/forgetful to post them.

Spoiler: show

Neon: 160
obscurity: 130
anne: 79
DrWilgy: 75
Jackofhearts2005: 73
RondoDimBuckle: 67
lucy: 64
Creature: 63
Lilypetal: 60
Porscha: 37
Seanzie: 34
Schiavetto: 26
pyxxy: 25
falcom45ca: 23
NANOOK: 12
Ruro: 2

After Creature pointed out I wasn't post capped, I realized I had been counting from the start of D3, which would put me at like 100 posts. I'm not in antispew. I'm just super bad at timezones.

Spoiler: show

That's a joke. I'm super bad at checking that Sloonei's most recent postcount was for the day phase we were currently on

i'm wiling to believe mistake cuz idk wtf my post count is I just assume it's too low to not even worry about

but i'm still making squinty eyes at you

Why? I'm clearly townie. Everyone who actually isos me says so.

Creature and Lucy are just blindly following a player they know they shouldn't. Go count how many times it's been pointed out to Creature that Mac didn't even scumread Anne but he just stiffly gripping the Jack/Anne wolfread "cause Mac said so." Idk about Lucy but that's not town Creature. Town Creature actually has his own reads and they're actually good and based on things.

And then Pxxy doesn't scumread me at all.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

I wolfread you and anne independently of Mac at this rate. The way the Lilypetal wagon happened was pretty bad and anne seems to be hard wolfsiding here.

Arguments that are all just the same thing "Lily was a bad wagon, get Jack for it". That's been Creature's entire day today.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:52 pm @Schiavetto help me yeet Creature.

@DrWilgy and @falcon45ca and @pyxxy

By our powers combined, we can avoid another tragedy for the MafiaSyndicate Universe.

This doesn't help your case. You seem uninterested to solve.

This post feels gross. It's a complete discredit where I don't think a discredit belongs when Jack has actually been here today.

Like none of Creature's posts I think go into actual discussion with Jack today. It's also like the Rondo NK was completely ignored for purposes outside of killing Jack which I already pointed out seems in disagreement with the gif poster's PoE.

And maybe I'm screaming at the wind just because of how ick this Jack yeet feels, but I still really don't like it. Creature's ISO did nothing but further that feeling.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:19 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.

It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.

Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.

I g2g now, [VOTE: Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:32 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

tbh.

also yeah Falcon could be mafia.

my top townreads are now Wilgy/Schiavetto/Anne/Jack.

B)

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:54 pm and yeah my thought on jack is he will flip town but i don't oppose his flip if only to advance the game at this point.

It was you I was thinking of. You weren't pushing for Creature like Wilgy was, but I remember this post now. You're all like "Creature might be wolf" then Lucy voted Jack and you were like "uhh... maybe not". As if you WANTED WANTED WANTED to push Creature but you were more worried about your thread positioning than you should be.

And yeah, you definitely tried to save Jack.

Bad.

Obscurity has high deepwolf potential. Not worth going for today, but they should not be given a pass moving forward.

it was an ephemeral thought i had but legit 10 minutes later i was like "creature still town, NVM" which was hours before EOD; + where did i try to save jack? pretty strongly was okay with him flipping all day.

i don't think it's unreasonable to assume i could be a deepwolf though, so fair enough. i'd like to think for the amount of effort i've put into this game i could've pretty easily saved jack if we were partners (or otherwise taken a strong stance against him and been ubercleared) rather than a lameass "welp he'll prob flip town but let's flip him" but i don't think it's unreasonable to tinfoil.

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

tbh.

also yeah Falcon could be mafia.

my top townreads are now Wilgy/Schiavetto/Anne/Jack.

B)

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:54 pm and yeah my thought on jack is he will flip town but i don't oppose his flip if only to advance the game at this point.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:01 pm Dead air, dead villager. I'm not seeing much push back on a Wilgy lynch, Jack was thrashing by comparison

anne wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:40 pm i think gth my poe today would be like falcon/wilgy/neon/schia. i retract my tr on schia because of their play at eod, but have them at the tail end of the poe.

anne wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:16 pm ehhhhhh i see why people think it's wilgy from jack iso now that im towards the end. jack's reasoning to townread wilgy made less and less sense as the game went on and when falcon started to gain a little traction, jack sort of threw off his shield while he doubled down on wilgy being town. i find wilgy's overall play, aside from his defense of jack, to be townie so that's what im stuck on mainly.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:07 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:59 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:49 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:39 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:07 pm

The day Lily died, Nook stayed on Jack, and Nook also knew Jack was in no danger. The day Jack died, Nook found a reason to get off Jack's wagon at a time where it really could have gone either way.

what I remember is it was 6-3 around EOD time. I think the closest it got was 6-4. I was watching the votes at this point because I was going to vote for Jack rather than my vanity wagon if Creature was in any sort of real danger, so I didn't really see it as "could go either way" or I may have viewed it differently. i kind of feel like bussing Jack all day only to pivot that EOD in a way that didn't really impact anything would be a lame W/W strategy, though.

I don't remember the exact VC, but there was a time when it was something like

Jack (3): Seanzie, Creature, Nanook

Creature (3): Jack, Falcon, Wilgy

Possibly Jack (4) or something, within the last hour of D4. There was some support for further Jack votes in thread, but Nook got off Jack around this point, and I think shortly after Lucy got on Jack, which then lead to a few others to get on Jack. At that point, it definitely could have gone either way, Wilgy was in the thread pushing for Creature, I think maybe you were in the thread pushing for creature, and some people were saying they'd vote Jack, but weren't voting.

It was around the last 5-10 minutes of EOD (after I was post-capped) that I was following the vote, and at this point Jack had 6 (I think Anne hopped on) and it wasn't particularly close, so this is what I was weighing in - I just checked and you're correct about NOOK switching but I stand by believing it wouldn't have impacted anything at this point which is why I wasn't factoring it in.

I was not in the thread pushing for Creature though - I've had Creature as probably my most unwavering townread since early. I said a few times that I thought Jack would flip town, but I also believed that flipping Jack was the right thing to do because he needed to be resolved, so if I thought Creature was going to be in danger at any point I would've voted Jack (I was post-capped on Falcon so this is me saying take my word for it), but it is consistent with what I talked about all day and wanting the end vote to be in Jack/NANOOK.

I'll take your word on you not being the one I was thinking about vocalizing a creature scum-read at a critical time..

However I still have a hard time following your logic. Regardless of what the VC was 5 minutes before EoD, that wasn't the gamestate when Nook moved, so I don't see why you would judge Nook's movements based on a later gamestate. The 6 votes on Jack came, at least partially, from me strongly sensing that Town!Creature was going to go over, and strongly pushing the thread to vote Jack, all which happened after Nook moved.

So, knowing now the gamestate how it was when Nook moved, what do you think of them?

mm okay I see your point re: the move. I still sort of feel like it's unlikely that a wolf takes a hard stance onto a partner for most of the day only to waver later. I guess I'm viewing it as NANOOK/you/Creature all being the crux of the momentum against Jack, but I would not outrule the possibility of him being mafia and it's something I've mulled over today back and forth because I was scumreading him yesterday, but viewing him/Jack as different.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME can you explain your mindset behind moving at this point?

Sorry I have to ask Sean if im allowed to weigh in yet or not

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:39 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:07 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:54 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:44 pm I was reading NANOOK as unpaired with Jack, mostly because he pushed Jack without any wiggle room and Jack had a lamesauce reason to clear NANOOK, but possible I'm off-base here, I don't find him very villagery outside of that. The motion detect thing is kind of weird. But I dunno.

I'm having a hard time with some of your takes. Nook ended up pivoting off Jack when it mattered. How is that "without any wiggle room"?

did this happen the day Lily died?

i'm having a little trouble with the specifics in votes/remembering that when I can't pull it up and it's not posted frequently like on FoL, i'm more-so thinking Nanook was calling Jack mafia all day. it was part of why I was 98% sure that there was a mafia in NOOK/Jack, the dynamic seemed unpure.

The day Lily died, Nook stayed on Jack, and Nook also knew Jack was in no danger. The day Jack died, Nook found a reason to get off Jack's wagon at a time where it really could have gone either way.

what I remember is it was 6-3 around EOD time. I think the closest it got was 6-4. I was watching the votes at this point because I was going to vote for Jack rather than my vanity wagon if Creature was in any sort of real danger, so I didn't really see it as "could go either way" or I may have viewed it differently. i kind of feel like bussing Jack all day only to pivot that EOD in a way that didn't really impact anything would be a lame W/W strategy, though.

I don't remember the exact VC, but there was a time when it was something like

Jack (3): Seanzie, Creature, Nanook

Creature (3): Jack, Falcon, Wilgy

Possibly Jack (4) or something, within the last hour of D4. There was some support for further Jack votes in thread, but Nook got off Jack around this point, and I think shortly after Lucy got on Jack, which then lead to a few others to get on Jack. At that point, it definitely could have gone either way, Wilgy was in the thread pushing for Creature, I think maybe you were in the thread pushing for creature, and some people were saying they'd vote Jack, but weren't voting.

It was around the last 5-10 minutes of EOD (after I was post-capped) that I was following the vote, and at this point Jack had 6 (I think Anne hopped on) and it wasn't particularly close, so this is what I was weighing in - I just checked and you're correct about NOOK switching but I stand by believing it wouldn't have impacted anything at this point which is why I wasn't factoring it in.

I was not in the thread pushing for Creature though - I've had Creature as probably my most unwavering townread since early. I said a few times that I thought Jack would flip town, but I also believed that flipping Jack was the right thing to do because he needed to be resolved, so if I thought Creature was going to be in danger at any point I would've voted Jack (I was post-capped on Falcon so this is me saying take my word for it), but it is consistent with what I talked about all day and wanting the end vote to be in Jack/NANOOK.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:07 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:54 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:44 pm I was reading NANOOK as unpaired with Jack, mostly because he pushed Jack without any wiggle room and Jack had a lamesauce reason to clear NANOOK, but possible I'm off-base here, I don't find him very villagery outside of that. The motion detect thing is kind of weird. But I dunno.

I'm having a hard time with some of your takes. Nook ended up pivoting off Jack when it mattered. How is that "without any wiggle room"?

did this happen the day Lily died?

i'm having a little trouble with the specifics in votes/remembering that when I can't pull it up and it's not posted frequently like on FoL, i'm more-so thinking Nanook was calling Jack mafia all day. it was part of why I was 98% sure that there was a mafia in NOOK/Jack, the dynamic seemed unpure.

The day Lily died, Nook stayed on Jack, and Nook also knew Jack was in no danger. The day Jack died, Nook found a reason to get off Jack's wagon at a time where it really could have gone either way.

what I remember is it was 6-3 around EOD time. I think the closest it got was 6-4. I was watching the votes at this point because I was going to vote for Jack rather than my vanity wagon if Creature was in any sort of real danger, so I didn't really see it as "could go either way" or I may have viewed it differently. i kind of feel like bussing Jack all day only to pivot that EOD in a way that didn't really impact anything would be a lame W/W strategy, though.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:17 pm Like think about it for 2 seconds and look at the vc and tell me that's where I land if im Jack's partner that decided "you know what actually I dont want to bus now"

Try to make a smart read on me for once in your life

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:54 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:44 pm I was reading NANOOK as unpaired with Jack, mostly because he pushed Jack without any wiggle room and Jack had a lamesauce reason to clear NANOOK, but possible I'm off-base here, I don't find him very villagery outside of that. The motion detect thing is kind of weird. But I dunno.

I'm having a hard time with some of your takes. Nook ended up pivoting off Jack when it mattered. How is that "without any wiggle room"?

did this happen the day Lily died?

i'm having a little trouble with the specifics in votes/remembering that when I can't pull it up and it's not posted frequently like on FoL, i'm more-so thinking Nanook was calling Jack mafia all day. it was part of why I was 98% sure that there was a mafia in NOOK/Jack, the dynamic seemed unpure.

obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:44 pm I was reading NANOOK as unpaired with Jack, mostly because he pushed Jack without any wiggle room and Jack had a lamesauce reason to clear NANOOK, but possible I'm off-base here, I don't find him very villagery outside of that. The motion detect thing is kind of weird. But I dunno.

Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:20 am Guess who I should doc?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:23 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:51 am I really wanna know what you did or did not do, nook

I motion detected creature instead of wilgy cause I completely mixed up their eods

anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:31 pm ill vote jack over creature, but waiting to see if anyone else shows up

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:26 pm my main thing w creature is like

idk if they make the error they did w/rt lilywagon composition as scum.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:17 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

The Rondo kill was just weird, trying to say "Jack can't be wolf because the Rondo kill" is a very weak take imo. We have no idea why the wolves killed Rondo - PR read, because of their read, fearkill, gamestate preservation, who knows?

What "lines of play" exactly?

If this is your only reason to TR Jack, that might be a bad sign.

See above, it's an entire gamestate type thing. Plus I do think Jack was trying to hunt this cycle fwiw. I don't see that in the people pushing him. Maybe Lucy's hunting is legitimate?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:19 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.

It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.

Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.

I g2g now, [VOTE: Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.

Uhh... how am I clear?

Sabi interactions. I have you and Lucy cleared because of it. Can quote it later.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:19 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.

It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.

Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.

I g2g now, [VOTE: Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:12 pm I don't see a difference between how people are talking about creature this game vs last one lol

I haven't read him so idk could easily be missing something but

What does this mean?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:21 pm Like honestly, who has spent more time solving today, me or Creature?

Who has spent more time solving, D4 me or entire game Creature?

I'd be offended if I thought you were town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:52 pm @Schiavetto help me yeet Creature.

@DrWilgy and @falcon45ca and @pyxxy

By our powers combined, we can avoid another tragedy for the MafiaSyndicate Universe.

anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:17 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:02 pm

anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:11 pm Imo Seanzie and Jack are difference checked so I'd probably kill Jack if Seanzie is town and vice versa. I feel like Seanzie would be more solid in presenting his reasons, even if it were on a micro level, if it were V/V. It's not hard to imagine a world where he's just pushing a bunk gamestate. On the other hand, Jack's play around Sabi slot is p bad and I don't sr everyone on his wagon so I could easily see that flipping wolf. The only thing is that a w!Jack suggests a pretty weird mafia team and idk if we're in that world so I might actually lean towards Seanzie being more likely mafia atp.

I don't see how Jack's alignment would matter at all to this statement, so you ShOuLd be concluding that I'm just a wolf if you believe the highlighted line above... but you're instead putting me in a difference check... Not good, Anne. Not good.

No, not really. I've seen you be randomly extremely accurate before, so you could see something I don't. The only difference is that one game where your reasons were more well thought out.

anne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:11 pm Imo Seanzie and Jack are difference checked so I'd probably kill Jack if Seanzie is town and vice versa. I feel like Seanzie would be more solid in presenting his reasons, even if it were on a micro level, if it were V/V. It's not hard to imagine a world where he's just pushing a bunk gamestate. On the other hand, Jack's play around Sabi slot is p bad and I don't sr everyone on his wagon so I could easily see that flipping wolf. The only thing is that a w!Jack suggests a pretty weird mafia team and idk if we're in that world so I might actually lean towards Seanzie being more likely mafia atp.

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 5:37 pm Like... I don't know if I'm missing some sort of game state awareness but why does Lily being town automatically make Jack mafia, why isn't it possible that it was town/town with mafia sitting pretty?

This is not to defend Jack, I acknowledge the possibility I'm pocketed, I just don't see why this should be obvious to us or why you're so confident. It would help me if you could explain, if maybe your background has something to do with it too because there's something I'm not getting?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:26 pm Neons wonderful town core

Neon
Porscha
Creature
Ruri

If your not in that list your on my list.

I'm much better at town reading than scum reading though and I need to reread basically everyone in this game and due to Overwatch 2 releasing and ruining my life I'm a day behind so ... sorry lol

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:39 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:32 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:27 am [my words were here]

I'd like to hear more about nooky boy if possible.

ll try to remember this when im sober o7

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:27 am ook a gummy and this happened

anne
- lives to see another day
- that could mean anything though
- still town in my book

Jack (alison)
- yesterday's 2nd place wagon
- still kinda a null to me
- interested to see how he reacts to loly flipping town

Creature
- voted alison/jack from D1
- voted anne D1, townread sabi D1,
- mixed feelings on jack

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:44 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:37 pm At leastone of the following players are wolf. There’s been too much action with the current spread.
Anne
Jack
Cape
Lucy
Mac
Neon
Sabi

Anne yes
Maybe Jack (posted a lot but didn't seem impressive)
Cape no
Lucy yes
Mac is kinda fine (depends on how anne will flip)
Neon idk maybe would listen to Mac first
Sabi no I guess

- fairly prescient on D1?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:28 pm I'm pretty disengaged with this game though so idk how accurate my reads are aorn.

rn I'm seeing two worlds: one where Mac is town and likely got one or two wolves within anne/Sabi/Cape and one where Mac is wolf and just smearing shit all over the thread.

I ain't suited to read Mac here so I ask you all to evaluate him by yourselves.

- tr creac for this D1?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:01 pm Ftr I can see either of Cape and Sabi being wolves here. I may have expressed a townread on them earlier but it was prob for weak vibe reasons.

- honestly really like how this interaction with sabi makes creature look

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:21 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:06 pm The fact Mac and creature are the only ones vocalizing in scum is making my eyebrow arch because Mac x creature haven't ever agreed on reads in any game ever.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:08 pm V/V Mac and Creature have never agreed on reads
W/V Mac and creature have never agreed on reads
Maybe w/w Mac and creature do?

This is bad logic. I respect Mac's reads a lot. It just feels like lately we've been randing non-v/v too much and so we ended up diverging a lot.

- lost my train of thought after D1 sorry

DrWilgy
- townread cape early (or "didnt suspect cape")
- voted alison early
- I like this as it was pre-sabi scumslip

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:04 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:40 pm I tried to switch to Lucy eod but it was locked and not letting me by the time I got back... not that it mattered

I think you guys fighting and demanding things be your way is letting some really easy wolves slip by whilst I townread the 3 of you (sabi/Anne/Mac). We should kill Lucy and lilypetal and stop letting wolves do nothing.

I agree Mac is town, but I'm not sold on the other two.

A W in Lucy or Sabi makes sense. If it's Sabi, Lucy is just correct. If it's Lucy, they are pushing in the same direction as Mac to drive a misyeet.

- thought rondo was clear
- I like Wigly

falcon45ca
- I'm not a fan
- still basically lurking
- cape vote felt weird
- NEVER ANSWERED ME ABOUT EOD D1
- lol
- rondo actually sr falcon, I swear (viewtopic.php?p=961894#p961894)
- let a vote sit on rondo for a loooooong time D2
- also spent a lot of time on creature

lucy
- gotta be town, looks too good post sabi flip

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
- nooky boy

Neon
- I've had a secret scumlean on you D1 then townlean after D2, feel like I'm not sure

obscurity
- really liked you until you showed up today D4 with the weird comment about talkers being bopped

Porscha
- townlean but it's shaky towards null?

pyxxy
- myself, a lad in the countryside

Ruri
- gonna need to see more I did say that uncounterclaimed 2 shot doc is just still out there
- will re-read that whole sequence with nook's fake check

Schiavetto
- what does schia think about anne? is my question

Seanzie
- idk

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:18 am Ok lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:30 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:28 pm Lol

Am I supposed to take you seriously

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:28 pm Lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:59 pm I don't think you're gonna die over lily today idk what you're freaking out about lol