The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:54 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.

Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.

You were afk most of yesterday afternoon but okay.

You really think volume is a tell for me? You just wolfed with me and I 300 posted d1. Opportunistic as fuck.

Is it that you were sleeping or is it that volume isn't a tell for you?

how bout both

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:54 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.

Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.

You were afk most of yesterday afternoon but okay.

You really think volume is a tell for me? You just wolfed with me and I 300 posted d1. Opportunistic as fuck.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.

Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:50 pm And how did people settle on bo who replaced in over someone like tsp who also hasn’t contributed a lot

(Unless tsp started contributing a ton when I wasn’t around today)

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Ok so looks like Alison and bo each three. My gut still says Alison town, so I’d probably prefer bo but I don’t know if this Alison suspicion is going to monopolise every day might be better to just get it over with

Can someone quickly summarise points on bo sorry

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Also who is Erika

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:42 pm Sorry guys in laws arrived for the week and football. What’d I miss

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:30 pmJust trying to get a sense as to where your head is at.

If you were rethinking Alison as possible town, you should be worried about her legacy if you're town.

Worried how? Her read on me is a stupid ass tunnel and she's been dismissing me at every point. That is what I think if Alison is town.

What is your thought on the Belzy/Bo wagon btw?

Alison is a very good player, and if she flips town, I think a lot of people will follow her reads. Her reads say to turbo you. Of course, if you're scum you're worried about this, but if you're town, you should also be worried about this if you are starting to think Alison is town... but you seem to not want to admit you're worried about this, which worries me.

I think BK has been a whole lot of nothing today. Erika I don't remember much from, but nothing pinged me. I'm not super interested in the wagon, but BK is definitely someone I need to see more from soon or I will be super interested in that wagon tomorrow.

I already talked at length about me/Alison both being town world is bad and potentially game losing tbh. Of course that is worrying me. It is not in my power to get Alison out of her tunnel if she is town though.

What do you think about my reasons for town reading Erika?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:38 pm I don't think Axe is a good vote either now. The fucker got me to townread him. That's actually what started my re-eval last night because I got to too much town.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:35 pm Here now, snoozed my alarm which was dumb.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:30 pmJust trying to get a sense as to where your head is at.

If you were rethinking Alison as possible town, you should be worried about her legacy if you're town.

Worried how? Her read on me is a stupid ass tunnel and she's been dismissing me at every point. That is what I think if Alison is town.

What is your thought on the Belzy/Bo wagon btw?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:23 pmI know what you said. You have no worries about tomorrow though?

I don't know where you imagine this line of questioning going. I have worries if we don't hit scum. If you all want to chop me tomorrow or to day for that matter, that's everyone who's town's responsibility.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:22 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:22 pmIs your confidence knocked on Alison because of her post, or because of the fact that if she flips town, you're likely going to die tomorrow?

What did I say?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:20 pm I just want to flip a wolf, and my confidence on Alison is knocked after her post to Axe. Maybe stupid.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:18 pm TSP is a good wolf right?

Is this sort of low-content play within his meta?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:05 pm Nah, now you're conflating specific towntells for people and general towny things. Doing convoluted reaction tests are hard for scum to come up with and is a general town indicator. Me asking why someone townreads me is NOT a hard thing for scum to do, and is NOT a general town indicator. You made out like it was a specific TOWNTELL FOR ME. When asked about it, you tried to back it up with evidence from MY games. Now you're claiming it is a general town indicator, when it is clearly not, and when it is clear that isn't what you originally meant.

I'm not conflating it, I'm saying I think it's a specific towntell for you and have said that since the start. I've seen you do it in town games and it's in line with the general method and mindset I've seen you play as town. If Mac and Esooa did it, I wouldn't think twice of it - it isn't a general town indicator. I just think it's specifically a towntell for you.

I'm sorry if you don't feel like I could read you that well as town to figure out if doing X is something you'd do as town or scum, but that's my read.

or... you're a wolf.

One day you will learn that just because you can't do something doesn't mean nobody else can.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:05 pm Nah, now you're conflating specific towntells for people and general towny things. Doing convoluted reaction tests are hard for scum to come up with and is a general town indicator. Me asking why someone townreads me is NOT a hard thing for scum to do, and is NOT a general town indicator. You made out like it was a specific TOWNTELL FOR ME. When asked about it, you tried to back it up with evidence from MY games. Now you're claiming it is a general town indicator, when it is clearly not, and when it is clear that isn't what you originally meant.

I'm not conflating it, I'm saying I think it's a specific towntell for you and have said that since the start. I've seen you do it in town games and it's in line with the general method and mindset I've seen you play as town. If Mac and Esooa did it, I wouldn't think twice of it - it isn't a general town indicator. I just think it's specifically a towntell for you.

I'm sorry if you don't feel like I could read you that well as town to figure out if doing X is something you'd do as town or scum, but that's my read.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:53 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:51 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:50 pm Listen, just because you aren't aware something is a towntell for you doesn't mean other people can't see it that way.

Which of my wolf games have you read?

None. Why do you ask?

You can't expect me to believe you have a towntell on me when you haven't even seen me wolf.

I don't really think that you need to see someone wolf to think that something is a towntell for them.

In fact, iirc, the very first game we played together in Spank!, I called out your reaction test on me lying about how long you've been playing mafia as a towntell for you, even though I've never seen you scum before.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:33 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:30 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:27 pm @Alison Why do you townread me?

Because "I've done nothing townie, why do you townread me" is a towntell for you.

I also like how active you are in generating activity and clashing with players. You're putting in effort to engage with multiple players and try to solve in a situation where you could easily phone it in.

Can you name another game where I did this?

I just had a scum game where I hardslanked the whole time and had less than 50 posts the whole game, so if I was scum, I would actively work to not look like I did in AtLA. How does that factor into your thinking?

1) Nope. I remember you doing it one game, but I can't remember what it was. It's more of a mindset thing where you question people's motivations rather than just accepting the townread. I'd compare it to what Esooa does, where she constantly pesters people about why they townread her. There's a similar thread of pseudo-reaction-testing line of thinking.

2) It doesn't. If you cared about meta, you'd want to not look like your scum game as either town or scum, because you don't want to be scumread as either alignment. If you didn't care about meta, then all that's happened is that you're putting in a lot more effort/solving than the last time you're scum.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:53 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:51 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:50 pm Listen, just because you aren't aware something is a towntell for you doesn't mean other people can't see it that way.

Which of my wolf games have you read?

None. Why do you ask?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:50 pm Listen, just because you aren't aware something is a towntell for you doesn't mean other people can't see it that way.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:41 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:38 pm You clearly don't know me then.

Or... and bear with me here... you're a wolf.

Nope.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:38 pm You clearly don't know me then.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:10 pm I think Alison is the correct choice for yeet today. Her play has been very different than what I've seen from her town play in the past, and the differences all have potential scum motive, which I'm going to say makes a lot of sense given Alison's take on mafia.

1. Her DoO thunderdome: I think this is very uncharacteristic of Alison. Town!Alison is adverse to thunderdomes because of their effect on the the thread, and also tunneling/confbias is not optimal play, but Alison REALLY pushed DoO to thunderdome (never used this word, but the continual pushing is indicative of this). Normally when Alison forms a strong scumread, she will just make sure the thread is aware, and then move on to finding the rest of scum/town hunting.

2. Her general approach: Alison I feel has not been trying to sort the whole game. Most of D1 she focused a lot on a few scumreads, and threw out a few little townreads, but doesn't have the holistic approach she usually does, hunting from both directions. She also threw out her "sheep my reads if I die" catchphrase when she had only scumreads, normally she would say that when she had reads on almost everyone. Alison will scumread people for PoE reasons, but I've never seen her townread people for PoE reasons, and I think in general that is bad play, so I don't see Alison getting 3 suspects and claiming the game is over and to just sheep her reads. It felt really fake.

3. Her townread of me: Alison has never seen me wolf, but claims to have a towntell on me. It was a garbage towntell as well, and when I asked her to give me evidence that this is a towntell for me, Alison couldn't elaborate. Normally Alison has actually good reasons to townread people, and so her citing a bogus "towntell" that she can't back up is (scum)telling.

4. Alison engaging me with regards to Dizzy at SoD2 felt really slimy. Alison wanted me to commit to sheeping her reads if she flips town, and after I said I think Dizzy has scum equity if Alison is town, Alison asks me about what I would feel about Dizzy if Alison flips town. It really felt like she was trying to manipulate me into helping her form a Dizzy wagon. No bueno.

Virtually everything you have listed are not only things I do as town, but might actually be things I do more as town. I don't know where you get the idea that I don't tell people to sheep me when I only have scumreads, don't thunderdome, and don't manipulate people into wagoning my strongest scumread as town, but I do all these things in many/most of my town games.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:10 pm I think Alison is the correct choice for yeet today. Her play has been very different than what I've seen from her town play in the past, and the differences all have potential scum motive, which I'm going to say makes a lot of sense given Alison's take on mafia.

1. Her DoO thunderdome: I think this is very uncharacteristic of Alison. Town!Alison is adverse to thunderdomes because of their effect on the the thread, and also tunneling/confbias is not optimal play, but Alison REALLY pushed DoO to thunderdome (never used this word, but the continual pushing is indicative of this). Normally when Alison forms a strong scumread, she will just make sure the thread is aware, and then move on to finding the rest of scum/town hunting.

2. Her general approach: Alison I feel has not been trying to sort the whole game. Most of D1 she focused a lot on a few scumreads, and threw out a few little townreads, but doesn't have the holistic approach she usually does, hunting from both directions. She also threw out her "sheep my reads if I die" catchphrase when she had only scumreads, normally she would say that when she had reads on almost everyone. Alison will scumread people for PoE reasons, but I've never seen her townread people for PoE reasons, and I think in general that is bad play, so I don't see Alison getting 3 suspects and claiming the game is over and to just sheep her reads. It felt really fake.

3. Her townread of me: Alison has never seen me wolf, but claims to have a towntell on me. It was a garbage towntell as well, and when I asked her to give me evidence that this is a towntell for me, Alison couldn't elaborate. Normally Alison has actually good reasons to townread people, and so her citing a bogus "towntell" that she can't back up is (scum)telling.

4. Alison engaging me with regards to Dizzy at SoD2 felt really slimy. Alison wanted me to commit to sheeping her reads if she flips town, and after I said I think Dizzy has scum equity if Alison is town, Alison asks me about what I would feel about Dizzy if Alison flips town. It really felt like she was trying to manipulate me into helping her form a Dizzy wagon. No bueno.

I think you're a still even if you want to kill Alison and think that this is a good post and that it's "the right sort of reads".

It's not a facetious case at all-- Alison just seems too villagery though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:34 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:30 amThe fact that you voted after me suggests that there was time for movement?

Well, yeah, exactly two minutes.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:26 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:20 amI did vote Alison in the thread and not in the poll. That was intentional. I didn't want Alison to go over, and the thread was a bit stagnant moving into EoD, so I fake voted Alison to create some movement to try to help form reads.

But it was 2 minutes before EoD though. Not really much time for movement. I remember cause I wanted Alison to go over instead, and your "vote" maybe making it a slight possibility.

Where can I find the EoD VC btw, anyone?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:10 am I actually read the thread.

Sometimes I don't make sense to people, but I hope some of this makes sense. If not, ask. And also please answer if I have questions (I've pinged you). Sorry to dump everything at once, but also not that sorry.

Luckbox

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Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:54 pmYeah I do get that of course.....was being facetious in my post.

And yeah I had you as "strangely villagery" for D1 at least.

@Luckbox Inc If you recall, was the last line about DOO in this game or in a different game?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:37 amSo I do prefer to village. But I'm not a bad wolf at all and was sort of mentally prepared to rand wolf for this game. Maybe next time though. I'm a pretty decent wolf though. I'll probably win my first wolf game here.

Green: I think for most (or almost everyone), this isn't something you say as wolf. It psychologically makes the stakes higher for you to win. It's a pre-boast that is rare for mafia imo.

(Also, Lucky do apparently actually prefer town lol)

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:38 pmNo I'm doing all the right things. I'm interacting with everyone, thinking about players, making free flowing posts.

But what are you doing?

This is an objectively scummy post. However I feel the follow up with "I'm self aware" was good.

All in all I feel like Lucky has "good town/presence/flow/whatever" and that may not even be AI for him. However, I do think the specific boast is a town indicator. So I just think Lucky is probably town. Feels a bit weird for him to be teamed with Alison, and if Alison is town, feels weird to defend her so much, so he has that going for him as well.

Probably town.

Alison

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Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:25 am [VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

DOO and Lunchbox tomorrow. Sheep my reads if I die.

Sheep my reads if I die on page 2. Gurl.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:42 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:41 pmThe frustration a bit upthread seems real.

Dizzy fakes emotion all the time as wolf.

I know this was prodded by Lucky mistaking Belzy for me.
However, I did ask "what emotion" to both Alison and Lucky, and Alison didn't comment.
I don't think I was at all emotional at the time, so Alison being eager to discredit whatever reason Lucky has for town reading me like this, without that being what actually even happened, I think just shows that Alison doesn't actually pay that close attention to what I'm posting. Seems more concerned with having a scum read on me than solving me in other words. Maybe this is a stretch tbh, but this doesn't sit well with me, and it's not just that post.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:45 amLet's say I flipped town on the spot.

What's your read on Dizzy?

This also. Sean had literally just said "If Alison is town Dizzy is scum". I think Alison is more concerned about putting things out there than taking things in, which is scummy for her.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:51 am Here's something for you to consider. Esooa wasn't particularly widely townread and wasn't that active or engaged in the thread. She had a couple of stubborn views, mainly that I was town and the people on my wagon were wolves.

She died in the night. There are two possible reasons why this could have happened. One is that she was right and was killed for her reads. The other is that she was wrong, Alison is mafia, and her death was WIFOM.

I know the second possibility is false, and if and when you flip me, you will also know this. Therefore if you flip me you should always take the first possibility as true and assume there's one or more mafia on my wagon yesterday.

Green: The fuck? There is obviously more than two possibilities for why Esooa died.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:31 am If anyone has arguments for me and dizzy being T/T make them now, else just promise to vote Dizzy if I ever flip

Yeah, we get it. You said this like five times now.

@Alison You are still not actually engaging with me. You've said I was scum from the get go. I've told you why I'm not. You haven't replied. So let me ask you: What experience do you have in reading me? I'm imagining you're town here. If you are, you're basically betting the game on me being mafia here by deliberately setting up a dichotomy between the two of us, insisting I should be killed after your alleged town flip. That's a lot of chill and confidence for a scum read that is basically "I don't like your read and Esooa died". Newsflash, I'm town. I don't really buy this position of yours. Also, why aren't you trying to solve for my teammates if you're so confident I'm scum?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:34 amSurely you realize that a lot of the last few pages have been me and Dizzy suspecting each other

Actually, I haven't been present for the last few pages, but feel free to speak for me I guess.

I do have at least some points where I agree with Alison in my notes. Also, to be fair, I should recognise a bias I have in suspecting/being extra harsh on strong players. If Alison is scum, I'm afraid she'll be able to talk herself out of any future situation and I won't be here to do anything about it (and even if I were, maybe I can't). I'm not actually sure I suspected Alison to that high of a degree before she reacted to my read. I do think the reaction is horrible, and I have a hard time seeing Alison act that way as town.

A thing that worries me is that I have at least soft reasons for thinking Alison is not teamed with quite a few people I don't town read. Nanook, maybe, but he did vote Alison D1 and now. Lu Ren seems too supportive/protective. Fingers had a piggy back that didn't seem like teammates (probably not impossible though). Alison + Ender + Someone is possible, and probably many other things. Maybe it doesn't really worry me that much tbh.

Anyway, I think there's a good chance Alison is just scum. Her read on me is stagnant and very much not well explained imo. Mismatch between apparent reason and confidence. There's places where I think she just fakes suspicion, especially in the beginning (worries/thoughts doesn't seem real), and also instances where it seems like she just doesn't care to pay attention (especially flat out saying I've said things I never have, or asking questions that's already answered), which is a mismatch to how strong she's repping her read and seems to care. If you care that much, why not care to get it right.

So that's the t on that. And if this is wrong, I'm sorry for doing my part of being sucked into a dichotomy I guess.

Scum lean

Fingers

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fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:50 pmI find that people more often have problems with how I post (“hedgy” as nanook says) especially early, but I usually seem to make it pretty obvious I’m town within the first few days.

Green: I like this from Fingers.

Counter point: This is pretty much the only thing I've liked from Fingers. My only other game I played with her, she was my top town read on D1. This game she's been barely present and lacklustre imo

I do think the one thing I pointed out is towny. Otherwise I've seen her being hedgy (which is apparently just her thing) and also softly landed support in different direction (on me as well). Town reads Alison, but admits she doesn't have much experience with her. Would fit with Alison both being mafia and town. I'll call it null on balance, but not really interested in chopping here now.

Null, but not worried right now.

Ender

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EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:26 pm Lu Ren is my townlock, no re

Ender's early town read on Lu is pretty weird to me. And this continues throughout the game.

@EnderWiggin Why exactly do you think Lu is town?

There's so much jokes and fluff in Ender's ISO! He's coming off really different than the one chance I've had to see him play (where he was town). Not sure if different game environment, site or alignment. I don't think one game is a good enough sample size, I also don't find his posts scummy per se, but I don't really love the overall vibe. Much more "light" than I'd expect. Where's the "let's do this" attitude? Cautious null.

Surprising null.

Nanook

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:55 am Dizzy avoiding the thread is >rand mafia cmv

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why are you saying this? You've seen me as scum a few times. Did I avoid the thread?

Nanook is not really towny, and I've historically found him towny when he's town. Usually I see him trying to form a town core, but he has hardly had town reads or any reads this game. Seems lazy beyond normal Nanook. Comment about me is weird. Maybe less likely teamed with Alison because of vote, but actually not really, cause I've seen Nanook lean distancing and bus when scum. Kind of suss, wouldn't be surprised if scum.

Scum lean

Belzy/Mac

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Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:38 pm I have made 20+ posts, got my vote in, showed up today, learned the day is already in few hours. Done my job for today! Thank you all!!!!❤

Belzy very likely town. This is an example of a kind of "troll tone" I don't think they use on this site as mafia. She's capable of fake hunting and seeming "towny", and she's basically refusing this and instead gets upset by being suspected, which is also town for her. There are more posts like this. I feel there's more to this read, but I don't feel like explaining it.

Probably town

Lu Ren

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Lu Ren wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:22 pmSorry, you'll have to settle for strong reads.

Omega and Alison are both just town because of their posts before/at the start of the argument. Omega posted about feeling differently as mafia vs town, saying that she feels a lot more pressured and nervous as mafia, and then immediately said "I might be struggling to engage this game". I think both of those posts could easily be made by mafia, but the progression is much more likely town. Her perspective is just pretty genuine, and that shows up in the way she reacts to Alison. For Alison, I think she's a very zealous player and is probably pretty aggressive even as mafia, but I don't think she'd pick the things she picked here to seize on, and the very quick and convinced conf-bias she went into that with felt organic and more intense than I think she'd be likely to do as mafia in that situation.

Axe is probably also town, not a ton to say here apart from shrugging my shoulder towards the votecount. I think the biggest thing I liked from him was how he reacted to the way people engaged with how he stepped into the argument when everyone else was standing back. Didn't feel like he was trying to get anything extra out of it either at the time or afterwards.

Falcon's entry post was so level 0 mafia that I'm tempted to just say burn it with fire, but I don't remember any of their other posts so I'm not going to commit here yet. The "what happened who can I sheep" at the particular point at which they entered made me cringe.

Luckbox just seems like mafia? The "haha I'm so pure nvm just taking the piss" probing, but especially the "axehole can be a wolf, voting him" is just the laziest and worst approach in the world and not in a towny way at all given thread momentum. He combined that take with saying "I was going to have Seanzie as a maybe, but he can be town sure" and it just feels very arbitrary and like there aren't actual thoughts behind any of what he's saying.

I don't know how to vote, apart from the poll.

Green: I don't have to squint that hard to see this as TMI. But actually, on reread I think I can more see what is possibly meant here.

@Lu Ren I know it's after the fact, but can you say why you thought the progression you referenced was much for likely town?

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:49 pmand the answer is "sure as hell hope not and regardless of my hopes probably not mafia don't make reads like she did there"

so if you don't want to get eliminated help us kill nook or someone like that

@Lu Ren Would you say that your read on Alison pushing DOO is for emotional/curtesy reasons? I don't know if I phrased that right.

Also, what name would I know you by?

I think this one could go either way. Honestly feel I have more questions than an actual read or lean. Kind of posts how I'd expect mafia to post tbh, but ultimately post style is probably NAI. How they went the detour around Esooa's early vote on me to justify their stance was hella weird and kind of can't get over that. Also doesn't seem to get a lot of attention? A cautious null, would want to know more.

Just null.

Falcon

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:18 pmThis post was shortly before Syn subbed in for Grogu. BTSC maybe?

Upon reread, this post may not be as clearing as I first thought. Depends on what Falcon can fake, and I have limited experience with him. However, I don't really find anything wrong with his posts. They all seem fine and I get no pings, which is what has worked for me in reading him in my limited experience. So I'm pretty much fine with him, and this post is still probably > rand town.

Town lean.

Syn/Bo

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Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:22 pm that's a funny angleshoot, falcon can be town

If Falcon is town, Syn is more likely town imo. He reacts pretty simply by clearing Falcon off of his prod, which I don't think he has to as mafia. It would also be a weird w/w interaction, which seems unlikely.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:38 am I already feel like Alison needs to die to progress this game.

If and only if Alison is town, this is kind of weird though.

Very low content, but if I had to guess, I'd guess town mostly because of Syn.

Town lean

Sean

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Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:58 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

@Seanzie Sorry if I'm incorrect, but I think you voted Alison in thread, but not actually in the poll. Any reason why?

According to my notes, Sean is the same alignment as Belzy. I probably had a reason. I do think Sean is most likely town, but I don't know if I have great justification for this tbh. Just his overall play "seems ok for Sean".

Town lean

Dizzy

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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:57 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:55 pm I am still 100% fine with a dyslexicon vote btw

I'll NK you!

Lol if scum decided to NK Esooa because of this

SK

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The two people not on the list is Axe and TSP.
My notes says one thing about Axe: - “Sheep my reads” but doesn’t have a (scum) read? I sometimes find him funny, I sometimes find him kind of rude, but I haven't found him to say anything AI.

TSP very null and I don't have any notes or comments.

This means that I actually have more nulls than other reads probably, which is pretty bad. I spent way too many hours reading and trying to form opinions and lay it out. I don't know if it makes any sense. I also have notes, but they probably make even less sense. But this where I be at the moment. Also, my not null reads are more lean-y than I would like them to be. I also don't really like the game state. If Alison is wolf, it's fine. However, there could still be more movement. And if Alison is town, it's very bad. In any case, please answer any questions I have, cause there's probably a reason I asked them.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:22 pm Seanzie I don't even understand what you're saying right now

What's your scum case on any of the people you want to exe

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:46 pm I'm doing a re-check of Alison to make sure I at least have done a case over her.

Then I'm going to check over Seanzie because while it might be hot there, it's fucking freezing over here and I need something to do while the eventual chill death of the universe turns me into an iceblock.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:40 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:28 pm In Seanzie's world Me/Mac/Alison are all wolves.

Unless he somehow thinks we all powerwolf it up that makes... no sense?

Why doesn't it make sense?

You have less than half the posts you did D1 of AtLA, Mac has been meh thus far, and Alison posts a lot in short bursts, but otherwise has been MIA. I wouldn't describe any of your play as "power".

Powerwolf = Townreading your buddies hard and defending them.

Also, I had a much lower postcount in Ohio too? Albeit light game anyway, but I didn't even cap. If you're reading me purely off post-count you gotta realise that's more tied to my energy and availability than my alignment.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:33 pm Also Seanzie's tunnelling me over playing "Different" where the only real difference is the random disappearance due to irl.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:28 pm In Seanzie's world Me/Mac/Alison are all wolves.

Unless he somehow thinks we all powerwolf it up that makes... no sense?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:58 pm @Seanzie What compelled you to move onto Ender over an IIOA post when you've been calling me outed scum the entire day?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:33 am

I believe you.


Why Axe?

@MacDougall OkAy, you didn't know.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

You usually tilt me. If you scumread me here it'd have been translated by more than just concurring to me joking about openwolfing. You'd be tunneling me like you always do.

I grilled you for hours last night. You're a wolf.

I know you think you have a good read on me but if you are town, tunneling me is not going to end well for town this time. I am town and will continue to be town and you are entirely off meta in this game. I suggest you change up your approach to something a bit more than just directly calling people wolves and something more persuasive.

Nah, I'd rather just keep calling you and Ender and Alison wolves.

Okay let me just check off "doesn't care about the town winning the game" on my bingo card.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:27 am shhh im openwolfing

I believe you.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:54 am [VOTE: axe] aubergine

Why Axe?

Why Axe?

@MacDougall OkAy, you didn't know.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

You usually tilt me. If you scumread me here it'd have been translated by more than just concurring to me joking about openwolfing. You'd be tunneling me like you always do.

I grilled you for hours last night. You're a wolf.

I know you think you have a good read on me but if you are town, tunneling me is not going to end well for town this time. I am town and will continue to be town and you are entirely off meta in this game. I suggest you change up your approach to something a bit more than just directly calling people wolves and something more persuasive.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:27 am shhh im openwolfing

I believe you.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:54 am [VOTE: axe] aubergine

Why Axe?

Why Axe?

@MacDougall OkAy, you didn't know.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

You usually tilt me. If you scumread me here it'd have been translated by more than just concurring to me joking about openwolfing. You'd be tunneling me like you always do.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:27 am shhh im openwolfing

I believe you.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:54 am [VOTE: axe] aubergine

Why Axe?

Why Axe?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:52 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:50 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:49 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:47 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:46 pm Also in isolation posting that is rand!wolf but I'm providing content around it. That one cherry-picked post doesn't make my other work irrelevant.

I didn't just vote you over that one post. You're different than you've been in other games I've seen.

Oh no. He's hit me with the "You're different" read!

Sorry buddies, I got caught.

Yeah, you're a wolf.

Lmao.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:49 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:47 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:46 pm Also in isolation posting that is rand!wolf but I'm providing content around it. That one cherry-picked post doesn't make my other work irrelevant.

I didn't just vote you over that one post. You're different than you've been in other games I've seen.

Oh no. He's hit me with the "You're different" read!

Sorry buddies, I got caught.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:46 pm Also in isolation posting that is rand!wolf but I'm providing content around it. That one cherry-picked post doesn't make my other work irrelevant.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:31 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:53 pm
^This post is >>rand!wolf

This post is kinda rand!wolf ngl.

Why's that?

Because the call of my post is weird?

I mean sure it's IIOA but you tell me why you scumread that post and thought it worth voting me over. Hit me with it.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:53 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:41 am Dyslexicon ISO:

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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:12 am Since we’re playing basic bitch mafia I’ve decided upon the following method: Find one town read, sheep until death do us part. No reading, no responsibility.

Who wants to be my town read?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:18 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:16 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:12 am Since we’re playing basic bitch mafia I’ve decided upon the following method: Find one town read, sheep until death do us part. No reading, no responsibility.

Who wants to be my town read?

hook me up, our relationship might not last very long tho!

You won!

I’ll vote whoever you’re voting at EoD. See you then!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:55 pm I just remembered I'm in a mafia game. And I also have like no motivation to be in a mafia game. The struggle is real. Sorry about that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:55 pm I hard claim VT. And I'm a good luck chop. Maybe.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:58 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:55 pm is the reason you have no motivation because you’re mafia because if so if you tell us that will end your suffering

No, I just don't like reading. I forgot I signed up for this game, and then forgot about the game again, and now I'm wondering if I can just play the game with no motivation, basically no reading, and still not be a total donkey who fucks me team over. It's been going so-so in the past. =p

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:02 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:58 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:55 pm I hard claim VT. And I'm a good luck chop. Maybe.

have i missed drama because the vote count doesn't seem to support making a post like this

It doesn't have anything to do with the vote count, I just have a death wish + D1 town chops = good luck for town.

I may also just be saying shit, idk

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:03 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:02 pm Why are all you signing up for games you don’t want to play?

I want to play and have fun. This will probably be the last game I can fit in before I’m due and I’d like it to be enjoyable

Almost makes me want to follow the vote idea for one of the non contributors

You're right. I wanted to play when I signed up. I'm just being sour. I like mafia. Mafia is a cool game.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:03 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:56 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:54 pm this is a complex setup, apologies if I get confused by all the mech

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME add this man to your town circle, never rescind.

Hes the third am I supposed to have more

I feel like I should have more

Add me, there's a 10/13 chance I'm town, is pretty good.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:06 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:59 pmI once joined a game on a smurf and exclusively used random.org, ignored every post in the game and people thought I was a god. It's a good place to start if you don't want to read.

THE WHEEL!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:04 pm mood announcement

ISO links have been added to the op

Mood

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:07 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:05 pmWhere are on the same boat.

How you been?

I'm good, just busy. Been playing a lot of Scrabble, which I love. My vacation is starting soon though, which is very much needed. I have some stress in my body, and when that happens, I usually sing. But I can't get my stereo to work and my boyfriend is out of town rippppp

I hope you are good as well. Summer ^^

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:08 pm I'm sorry to add non-content to a game that I understand suffers from non-content.

I will probably read at some point and say words about it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:09 pm Except EoD is in like 5 hours lol

Fiiiine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:11 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:29 am [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Why is this?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:12 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:11 pmI don't believe you. The game started today.

Poll says it closes in 5 hours, unless I don't understand time (zones)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:13 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:12 pm The game started yesterday already??

Towny mindmeld

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:12 pmI have a scumread on Dizzy, but he is not my top choice for elim right now. Are you reading my posts?

Why do you have this read? I think you shouldn't have this read.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:15 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:13 pm Dizzyyyyy, do you remember we actually been on a real boat together? I miss those days! ❤

Yaaaas! Literally in the same boat! Also, it rained so hard that day. lolnorway =p

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:21 pm @Luckbox Inc Are you teamed with Nanook or with Sean?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:22 pm There's some people I haven't played with here. Hi to all. ^^

I'm usually not useless. And even when I'm useless, I'm usually not useless.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:24 pm @DaughterOfOmega Do you like playing mafia more than town? And is this why you're posting a lot, and also why you're getting voted?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:24 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:21 pm @Luckbox Inc Are you teamed with Nanook or with Sean?

Both

Gottem

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:25 pm Better bus Omega before it's too late

[VOTE: Omega] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:34 pm Read some of Omega's ISO, mostly arguing with Alison. But I don't think it's scummy, especially the post where she says she hopes Alison has a fake read rather than real. It's a thing that probably can be faked, but ime town says this more than scum do. Problem is, I've never seen Omega actually post lol, but that is based off of one game only. Don't know what the case is on her is, and if it's solid/others have more experience here, then ignore me maybe.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:35 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:31 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:25 pm Better bus Omega before it's too late

[VOTE: Omega] aubergine

Why Omega and not me?

Haven't read any of your posts, barring page 1 lol.

But the one where you said you heard Omega was a sneaky scum was kind of sketch tbh. But I don't know you.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:34 pmYou literally cut the part of the post out where I explained the read:

Ok. I still don't understand why that warrants a scum read on me. Maybe wait until I start playing the game.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:40 pm Sean is scum reading me. Maybe NAI but big nope.
Erika is arguing with this read and buddying me.
Erika lock scum.

Not really, but now that it happens, it's kind of weird.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:41 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:40 pmI am happy Dizzy is here!!❤ Thank you for asking.

Buddies 4 lyf <3

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:42 pm I don't know who to vote.

Does anyone have a good argument?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:43 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:41 amProbably Dyslexicon or Esooa.

Esooa knows me and my thought processes playing mafia the best, Dyslexicon has the highest hitrate in catching me when I'm a wolf

Literally when I thought I'd go read your ISO cause I've convinced myself I can actually read you. =p

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:43 pmD1 is almost over, I can't wait for you forever. It isn't a strong scumread, but if you aren't contributing much, you can't complain about people forming scumreads on you based on the little you have contributed. Now that you're actually contributing, I will reassess.

Actually I can. It's not like I expect to be town read, but nothing I had posted warrants any sort of read on me from you imo. I don't understand your reason for saying it's scummy either.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:44 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:42 pm I don't know who to vote.

Does anyone have a good argument?

See Luckbox's case on Axe. Check out the first page or two of Axe's ISO in AtLA and compare it to Axe's ISO here.

I'm definitely not reading other games. But I'll check the case after Alison ISO

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:48 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:44 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:42 pm I don't know who to vote.

Does anyone have a good argument?

TonyStark voted me, and done NOTHING TOWNLY! so i omgus vote here

You make a compelling argument. I will strongly consider supporting my buddy's omgus.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:10 pm Read Alison's ISO. Thought she was wolf when I first started to read, got more unsure the more I read (mostly cause it looks like she does believe in her scum read on Omega). But I think she still could be mafia here. She can fake that attitude of having a strong scum read.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:49 am by the way does anyone know how luckbox feels about playing wolf in general? Do they like playing it, dislike playing it? Do they do well as wolf?

Alison asks this after uttering strong suspicion on Lucky. But Lucky literally said in his first post that he wanted to play as scum, so the question about if he likes it or not reads disingenuous. (And I'm pretty sure Alison later reference that post)

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:28 am I thought you were pretending to have put me on ignore because of the blacklist thing, which is why you were faking being unable to see my posts. That would be outing because JJJ disabled the ignore function a while back.

I don't feel like this is a real thought.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:09 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:38 pm No I'm doing all the right things. I'm interacting with everyone, thinking about players, making free flowing posts.

But what are you doing?

This might be the most individually scummy post I've seen in the thread so far. It's like they see pretending to be town as a list of checkboxes to tick off and are miffed that Seanzie isn't giving them credit for their performance.

Honestly, I agree with this, surface level maybe, but the post in reference does feel real bad. Wouldn't be surprised at all if it's actually Alison/Lucky here.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:32 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:55 am Dizzy avoiding the thread is >rand mafia cmv

I've seen Dizzy afk as villa but he tends to be a lot more upfront about it. He'll be like "I'm not playing this game because I don't have the time and energy and interest. I'll come back when there's less people and try to give a solve". The weird "I'm picking someone random to sheep" thing wasn't great because it's like "I'm not playing this game but actually I am", it's like a paper facade of playing that I don't think he usually bothers with as town. Also doesn't help that the person he picked to sheep was Lunchbox.

This is some real convoluted shit lol. I don't see how I was not upfront about being afk/low effort, or even what there is to read into that if you think I wasn't. Also "paper facade" lol. I also didn't pick Lucky to sheep, I picked Omega.

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These are some things I find scummy in Alison's ISO.

It's not impossible for her to be town, but right now well above > mafia for me.

Thoughts?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:11 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:07 pm @Dyslexicon is Seanzie town?

No idea. Haven't read his posts. His scum read of me is probably NAI, begrudgingly.

But we should probably vote Alison here or else I'll get killed and you'll never do it.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:13 pm Yeah, Sean might be town tbh. But ask me later maybe

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:14 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:12 pmI didn't want to say it because I felt like it would increase my chances of being yeeted, but now that DOO wagon is up there, we can all acknowledge this.

What do you mean by this?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:14 pm Belzy either town or decided to really do something this game. Probably just town tbh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:17 pm Me desperately looking for Axe's case on Lucky when it was the other way around rip

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:17 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:15 pmWell, I felt so pressured by duckbox and seanzie, you know?

But do you agree with the read or not?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:52 pmSure, I wouldn't bother reading the entire game, skimming one page of his ISO though would be quite illuminating. He was solving/interacting a LOT with people D1 of AtLA. Here he has done essentially no solving. He has a high thread presence here, but most of it has been not related to the game or just bad.

As far as I can tell, Lucky's case on Axe is pretty much exactly this. I don't know Axe, and in general I think it's pretty dangerous to compare one specific game to another for reads. But if you feel strongly about it, I'm not going to disagree. Is it more than just one game?

For me, I think Alison has a pretty good chance of being mafia here. Thoughts on this?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:24 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:22 pm that's a funny angleshoot, falcon can be town

Conclusion good probably. Angleshoots are rip.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:26 pm Oh no, I secretly hate when people follow me. I'd rather be right and not followed than wrong and followed. But also, I may just be right. This can happen. This has happened before.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:28 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:26 pmi think your tone with dizzy was pretty wack so I'm voting for the wack

I don't think belzy being whack is belzy being scum, especially on this site. You're also probably town for towning Falcon, and Falcon probably town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:30 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:27 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:14 pm Belzy either town or decided to really do something this game. Probably just town tbh

do something is one way of putting it

What I mean is that I don't think Belzy is a risk taker as scum in the sense that she would deliberately "act weird" as scum, especially on a site where many don't know her well. She's a good scum player and can fake content and tone and all those things, but the sort of "weeeee lolol" seems out of character for her as scum as far as my experience go, and I do have a lot of experience with Belzy. Take it for what it's worth, though I not sure what it's worth lol, but that be my take

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:33 pm Basen on me reading not a whole lot, but trying to get an overview:

Some maybe town reads:
Belzy
Syn
Falcon
Sean

Honestly my town reads aren't really that strong

Suss:
Alison

If Alison is mafia, check Lucky's end of their interaction. I think Alison's interaction with Lucky is definitely teammate compatible.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:36 pm Plz no fight, you're probably both town. And antagonising no good. Now kiss

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:38 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:35 pmwhy are your town reads only the people who have posted since you entered the thread

Because literally that is what I have read lol
I've explained my town reads except maybe Sean.
Belzy for her tone and kind of off beat play which seems deliberate, and I don't think she deliberately do it as mafia, I'll think she'll try to play it more straight.
Falcon for the same reason you did.
You because you towned Falcon for it, which I don't think you need to as mafia.
Sean because he seemed to be upset about Belzy not contributing. Not too sure about this read though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:39 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:38 pm Belzy and Dizzy feel villagery fwiw-- Dizzy moreso by a wide margin but killing Belzy anytime soon also seems bad.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:40 pm I'm breaking, but probably back before EoD

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:39 pm Dizzy/DOO team looks super compatible here. DOO voteparked on me despite having me as a townread, and Dizzy tried to push me after I came out with scumreads on both him and DOO. The case that Dizzy's giving is bad too. I asked if Luck often likes to play wolf because his first post gave me a "hello fellow townies" feeling and I was seeing if it was facetious. The only other read he has an issue with is a bald "that's not a real thought", and an OMGUS against my suspicion on him.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what's with the naked vote btw?

How does this relevant? My point is you asked if he liked playing as scum when he had already given the answer in thread. Was your accusation that he might've lied?

What is problematic about this? Honest question. This is something I've seen you do as scum before, or rather, it gave me that same feeling.

I don't think it's an OMGUS. I legit didn't understand your point in your read on me. And I don't think it would warrant you to have me on your chop list at all.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:46 pm Fuck my colors

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:45 pm Also Syn made a good point about Falcon probably being town for the angleshoot.

Also Syn angleshooting Falcon town probably makes him town too.

This is like exactly what I said too lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:48 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:42 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:41 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:40 pm

How's Dizzy town at all?

The frustration a bit upthread seems real.

Dizzy fakes emotion all the time as wolf.

What frustration to both of you? I'm like not frustrated at all?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:53 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:51 pm Well I'll vote DoO to save Alison if needed but would prefer looking elsewhere. And think Alison would be a really bad kill.

Maybe not Alison/Lucky then, after I pointed that out and this comes out. Unless 200 iq

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:51 pm My accusation was that his "I sure hope I randed mafia, aw shucks I didn't!" felt fake. Not many people like randing mafia, so doing a quick fact check on whether this is something he'd say is pretty sensible. Once he clarified his meta a little more with no dissent from the people who know him, I moved on.

Saying "that's not a real thought" isn't problematic by itself; I say it all the time. It's not a particularly convincing aspect of a case, though, and I'm having trouble understanding why you'd grow such a strong conviction of me as scum based on it. What exactly "isn't real" about that thought?

My point is simple. When I see you afk as town you just straight up admit it and brazenly slank because you have nothing to hide. Here you seem to be taking a more wishy washy approach, where you say you're slanking, but also make an excuse to sheep whoever you want with zero accountability.

Alright. Do you expect him or players in general to lie about really obvious things as that as mafia though? Cause that seems kind of dumb to me.

First of all, you don't know my conviction. Again, it's kind of similar to the above point. From what I gathered, you accused (and retracted) Axe of pretending to have put you on ignore, making a bold faced and totally unnecessary lie. Why would mafia make such a lie? Maybe there's something between you two that I don't know about, but that just seems like a made up worry to me.

I really don't see the problem or the difference. How is this an issue? What should I have telegraphed? I was straight up slanking, not knowing if I'd get motivation or not.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:04 pm Also, do you actually expect that if I'm teamed with Omega, the thing I do is to chainsaw the hell out of you? Cause I don't think I would ever do that.

I fully admit to not having read the whole thread and not having much context though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:12 pm 1) Alright, I hear you.

2) And I hear this.

But I still think these seems like weird concerns. Like you're overplaying that you "don't know" when in fact, you do know. It's the same feeling I got when you "didn't know" if me and Invictius had played together. Issue being, that it's like you're laying on an extra layer of paranoia/not knowing, and this is what pings me.

3) How is that any different from my normal early slanking?
And why do you correlate me and Omega here?
Literally, I read your ISO and I think you can be mafia. Why does it have to have anything to do with Omega?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:17 pm @Luckbox Inc Can you say what your town read on Alison consists of? You said this was your second game with her, and you mis-chopped her last game and seemed worried about that. Is there more? Sorry if I missed it/haven't read.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:46 pm To the people who town read Alison, why do you town read Alison? I'd like to hear it. And sorry if it's already stated.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:20 pmNo, I only know Axe from that one game, but like... I think you're not taking into consideration how bad Axe's play is this game. Like, this isn't a meta read, this is a "this slot is active, in thread, but not solving, and not contributing positively to the gamestate" read, coupled with AtLA meta to further strengthen the read.

Also, from the little I know about them, Axe is an extremely anti-team anti-town player, so if they are town, I doubt they would ever be killed by wolves, and I would never want them to be in an FX, so while I know it is early, they need to be yeeted eventually anyways. Strong scum read + getting rid of a slot that is detrimental to town if we're wrong = good wagon.

I will look through Alison's ISO, but I feel fine about Alison right now.

I'm not, cause I haven't read their posts, other than when I've been around. They said they agreed with me, don't know if good or bad. I don't really have an opinion there, and I doubt I'll get it before EoD.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:32 pm I feel I've made my thoughts on Alison clear, but I also feel the need to say that I'm not actually very clear on the read. I feel like I'm missing a lot of context (which obviously I am). The things I noticed in her ISO was instances where it feels like she's stating train of thoughts that doesn't seem like real concerns to me. I don't know if I can articulate it well, but it's like a "I need to show that I don't know anyone's alignment" kind of feel. I'm not actually married to that read though, as I may be too harsh/stern against her, cause if she is mafia, that's going to be a problem. Also, she seemed better in her back and forth with Omega, better conviction.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:25 pmWell, you should before EoD. They are a much better vote than Alison IMO.

Mebbe

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:40 pm

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:38 pm I'd like to kill in luckbox/nanook/dizzy/tsp? today?

Hi, we haven't played before afaik. What's your thoughts on me?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:51 pm

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:50 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:40 pm

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:38 pm I'd like to kill in luckbox/nanook/dizzy/tsp? today?

Hi, we haven't played before afaik. What's your thoughts on me?

I don't think you've done anything super towny, and I don't think Esooa voted you for no reason; I don't think you've done anything very mafia-indicative but you're just not up to the bar I'd expect and I have a good deal of strong/decent town reads and you're not one.

Do I know you? What do you expect from me? What does Esooa have to do with your read on me? She also doesn't know me well at all (don't recall if we've even played together)

This is a most curious reply to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:39 pm

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:32 pmI know of you, I know you're a capable player, Esooa feels like checked out town (this is thin), I'm not sheeping her read on there but it's a confirmation that she doesn't think what you've posted has been that strong, I would rather kill people who are either more likely mafia or lower impact but you're not off the table for me like everyone else not in my list is at this point.

Do I know you by another name?
Esooa voted me back when I had two posts total and not really started playing. Why is that vote relevant to you?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:39 pmCfd who?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:41 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:40 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:39 pmCfd who?

falcon

No

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:41 pm [VOTE: Lu Ren] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:43 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:41 pm [VOTE: Lu Ren] aubergine

I get that the esooa stuff is odd but have you read their iso?

I'm doing it right now

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:45 pmMultiple people have expressed concerned with Axe, but you aren't willing to look there, but when you want a CFD away from DoO, you are willing to look at Lu?

Can you help me make sense of this? What is the difference between Axe and Lu here?

Lu justifying their take on me through Esooa gives me the nopes.

I haven't had the nopes with Axe. But again, you're right, haven't even considered them that much. To be blunt, don't think they will be a huge problem if mafia.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:53 pm

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:48 pmWe've played once before and I know of you somewhat from reputation beyond that.

About Esooa: that's fair, it's not really a huge factor in my thoughts and I didn't remember where it was, I should have checked before including it in reasons why you aren't specifically towny in any respect unlike everybody except the four people I named, either way it doesn't matter, either way setting this day up as alison/doo is exactly what mafia's been hoping for and is very lazy and I would really rather not kill either of them because I think they're both pretty clearly town. Thoughts?

I don't think either is clearly town. Right now, I'm not really stressing that much. Both a mafia and town chop D1 can be good. I don't have a town read (or any read really) on the other people you mention though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:57 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:55 pm I am still 100% fine with a dyslexicon vote btw

I'll NK you!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:58 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:58 pm if people move to dyslexicon I will but I don't think that's happening

Literally why tho. 2 minutes go!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:59 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

^This post is >>rand!wolf

This post is kinda rand!wolf ngl.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:39 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:35 pm Here is where I'm at on PoE

Town:

Due to read:

Lu Ren
Luckbox
falcon

Due to Policy / Wagons:

Nanook
Dizzy

Almost town:

Seanzie

I have Seanzie in his own category because I think there's probably 2 mafia between alison, seanzie, mac, enderwagon... But Seanzie independently has played well.

That leaves me with a PoE of 6.5 which is not good enough

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @MacDougall @Alison Mostly interested in your thoughts at the moment.

Can you explain your Dizzy read?

It has a descriptive category, I don't want to go into it further in fear of upsetting the masses.