The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:59 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:52 am Is there a spectators chat/graveyard?

ya on the second post this page

Thanks!

Is there a spectators chat/graveyard?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:33 am

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:26 am

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:14 am oh, townlean seanzie. he seems neat

Tell me more! Specifically how neat I am!

But seriously, any reason for the townlean?

I just like the cut of your jib. I can point to specific jibs if you'd like

Yes please!

I think in general jib is Nai.

Are you British?

How wrong I was about jib...

Well, either way, this was a really fun game. I am glad I decided to peep my head into The Syndicate, and I definitely can see myself playing here again!

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:20 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:43 pm Also is there a scum chat link

I'm curious about this too. I love reading through all relevant chats after a game.

Sounds like they deleted it Sean, lol.

Oh, I thought that was a joke:/ Oh well...

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:43 pm Also is there a scum chat link

I'm curious about this too. I love reading through all relevant chats after a game.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:43 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:40 pm Did we win

Nope

We all voted, and decided that we should end the game in such a way that everyone except Nanook wins.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:35 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:34 pm i swear to god i was so terrified this entire day that i was making some huge mistake

every time i saw @nutella watching i was thinking to myself “god she probably has the game solved and is just roasting me rn”

lolol - you were key to the win Hally!

Yeah, good job Hally! I'm glad you didn't listen to me about Marmot :P

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:17 pm good game everyone

the epi red check was huge. wolves could have pulled this out without that tbh

Agreed. There was some momentum moving towards Epi, but without the redcheck, it is not at all clear if we would have chopped him today or not, and even if we did, the game would have been totally different going into N4 than it was today after the redcheck.

Good game everyone!

LC, Epi, Made, great job as scum!

Good job town!

... Do we have to sit here for the next four days waiting for this to play out? I feel kind of bad for the host, since it seemed like there was some cool aspect of the game that we didn't quite figure out, involving these haunting bicycles.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:59 pm don’t be trolling me lc. that would be so rude

I don't know LC that well, but it reads genuine. I think we just won?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:54 pm No, it's true, that was the point that I pretty much gave up trying to win this game. Good game, town. I won't waste your time. I needed Marmot to go down to stand a chance, and it had become obvious that wasn't going to happen.

Damn, is this for realz?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:31 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:27 pm i also stand by my read that it’s unlikely for a wolf to bus a teammate that hard only to move off at the last second when their teammate really isn’t even that savable and tank all the bus cred they were going to get from the flip

Why wasn't Made that savable? It was 6/5/2 Made/Guillotine/MR when Marmot moved from Made to MR (making it 5/5/3). You moved almost immediately afterwards bringing it back to 6/5/2 again, and I think you sealed Made's fate, but idk how you can see Made's death a foregone conclusion at that point. If you wouldn't have been around to move, it very well could have ended at 5/5/3, or someone else could have moved, swinging the vote in Made's favor.

well if marmot was trying to save made, why does he vote radishes who only has two votes and not guillo who had five? what does voting radishes get him really? in my analysis of the EoD movement i noted how the only people there who could have followed him on radishes were you and made, and you were both on guillo not made. so even if he gets a radish wagon it would be instead of a guillo wagon not instead of a made wagon. that doesn’t save made. sure, someone could have popped in randomly and voted guillo to save made for him (instead i popped in and did the opposite) but the reality is that when he voted radishes nobody was there to do that. everyone but you, him and made wasn’t there. does he move to radishes just hoping someone who isn’t there comes in and randomly votes guillo? why? isn’t it better for him as a wolf to go for the sure thing and bus made for the cred than to risk switching off to a vanity wagon and having made go over anyway? what do you think a wolf is more likely to do?

As far as I see it, in the universe where Marmot is scum, Marmot had essentially 3 choices at EoD1:

1.) Stay on Made,

2.) Move to Guillotine, or

3.) Move to MR.

I think 2.) is not really an option for Scum!Marmot; Marmot's only excuse for unvoting Made was because I suggested that it would be good to create tension by making the vote count 5/5. If Marmot would have moved to Guillotine at that moment, this would have looked very suspicious, especially after a town!Guillotine flip, and would link Made and Marmot for the rest of the game. So, really Scum!Marmot's only options are 1.) and 3.). I see your argument for why 1.) is a viable path, just complete the bus and get the cred. However, I don't see how 3.) is not also a viable path - if Marmot wanted to save Made, 3.) is really the only possible way to do that. Marmot did not know that you would come in and vote Made, or that I would move to MR, and if I wouldn't have moved to MR, it is quite possible that Marmot would have jumped back to Guillotine (adding this little intermediate vote on MR, letting it be tied for a bit, and then pretending like the pressure got him thinking that Guillotine was scum is IMO the ONLY way scum!Marmot could have safely ended up on Guillotine).

MR makes a good point though, a lot of this is speculative, and hence not super reliable. I personally think this is at least somewhat suspicious from Marmot, but I haven't done full ISOs on Marmot, LC and others in a while, so I will reserve judgement until I've had more time to research.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:27 pm i also stand by my read that it’s unlikely for a wolf to bus a teammate that hard only to move off at the last second when their teammate really isn’t even that savable and tank all the bus cred they were going to get from the flip

Why wasn't Made that savable? It was 6/5/2 Made/Guillotine/MR when Marmot moved from Made to MR (making it 5/5/3). You moved almost immediately afterwards bringing it back to 6/5/2 again, and I think you sealed Made's fate, but idk how you can see Made's death a foregone conclusion at that point. If you wouldn't have been around to move, it very well could have ended at 5/5/3, or someone else could have moved, swinging the vote in Made's favor.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:24 pm marmot did make perhaps the most detailed scum case on epi i think N1. it’s debatable whether he pushed it as hard as he could have after that though

I'll make sure to take a look at that when I ISO Marmot later.

Wow! People have been busy this morning! I have a lot of work I want to get done IRL, but I plan to do some scum hunting myself soon to help find Epi and Made's teammate. I think most people's PoE looks something like MR, Marmot, LC, so I will probably focus on them, but I don't really want to just ignore the others in case of a deep wolf.

A few things off the top of my head:

Marmot: In hindsight, him moving from Made to MR (albeit at my behest) does look a little dodgy, as if he wanted an excuse to move off Made to potentially save him. Also, D2 I was voting Epi, and no one else was. I commented that LC was the only other one who seemed to be seeing scum!Epi, and Marmot chimed in real quick to try to get credit for also suspecting Epi. I find this weird because Marmot then didn't vote with me and LC, and also... I am wondering if the reason why I didn't remember that Marmat was "suspecting" Epi is because I didn't think Marmot was seriously suspecting Epi. I think this looks bad for Marmot, which is one of the reasons he is currently my top suspect.

LC: LC has argued that scum!LC wouldn't bus Epi, so he couldn't be scum with Epi. I don't think I buy this. LC really didn't seem to want to vote yesterday. Only after I pressured LC to cast a vote, and only after I expressed frustration over the fact that Epi wasn't getting attention (and called attention to the fact that LC was casting suspicion on Epi) did LC FINALLY cast a vote on Epi. It would have looked weird if LC didn't vote Epi there, and at that point, Martin was all-but-locked in, so I doubt Scum!LC would hesitate to do such a safe bus.

MR: I don't know. It seems like the best case against him is that he hasn't done much? Sure. I was townreading him for a bit because I thought Made was trying to kill him D1, but idk if that holds enough weight anymore, so I'mma look carefully at MR, but I am worried that the lack of content will make it hard to conclude anything useful.

@Marmot, who do you think is scum?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:16 am

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:03 am

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I'm glad we've cleared that up. Marmot is clearly .

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:40 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:40 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:40 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:40 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Just sayin'...

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:25 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:23 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:22 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:19 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:05 pm it’s not lc right? i feel like lc is not really being like scum!lc but at the same time i feel like he hasn’t really been moving the game forward or like ~doing things~. i feel like a lot of his posts don’t go anywhere. but i also don’t know if that’s actually scummy for lc

I don't think it's lc because I'm sure it's Epi and their interactions don't appear teammatey to me. But lc is a good slippery player so I'm not 100% about him.

are you claiming a result on epi?

Yes I am.

what specifically? track? cop? and what were your othee results?

I am a 1-shot cop and that was my one shot.

Ha! I knew it! (that Epi was scum, not that you were a 1-shot cop :P) Woot!

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:32 pm the only thing that makes sense to me is a town jailkeeper or a roleblocker that sends feedback

I don't know if I am as optimistic as you. Based off the flavor, bicycles don't seem to be a good thing. I think this "curious encounter" is a bad omen, and if it is coming from the actions of a player, rather than a game mechanic, I would guess it is coming from scum.

I got a picture of a bicycle from our host. The message subject is "a curious encounter". The bicycle is a tandem bicycle, and it is hanging via a chain against what looks like it could be an old garage door. No clear message or anything. I feel like I am being haunted by a bicycle though.

I had a curious encounter last night, and similar to Martin, I do not know what to think of it.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:41 am https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scienc ... assini/amp

saturn doesn’t seem like it tastes very good

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:43 am but apparently its moon smells good?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailym ... phere.html

This is just the information I needed to solve the game! After a careful analysis of all available info, I have concluded that scum is... the entire planet of Saturn! Gg all!

inb4: in my big post above, "How does that make sense if the three people Epi was voting were not the three people in "horny jail", but instead town people from the "middle of the room" and one from "outside the house"?" should be "How does that make sense if the three people Epi was voting were not the two people in "horny jail", but instead two people from the "middle of the room" and one from "outside the house"?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:02 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:04 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:59 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:57 pm Take this post for instance, Hally. Why did he do this? Did he follow up? Is it something he was talking about? Is it a pressure vote? He voted Seanzie since.

How is the game different if this post doesn't exist?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:33 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Why is this townread? I don't get it, is this what you call maverick?

well why don’t you ask him?

Because this is how he answers questions like that:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:20 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:29 am I'm going through your ISO Epi... what do any of your conclusions mean? Headless dolls, Ric Flair, horny jail... what is this?

I'm not answering this.

This is not intellectually honest.

My commentary at the end of each thing was funny. I think it's obvious which view I take with each person. Nobody is bitching but you and Seanzie. Why is that?

You "think it is obvious", but it definitely isn't. A few of the ISOs I can guess what you're thinking, but those are like the obvious ones (like Dizzy and Jules) that everyone was townreading. I THOUGHT you were saying that you were scumreading LC and Guillotine, but apparently you were scumreading me and Marmot, who were placed "in the middle", along with MR who was "outside the house altogether".

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:13 pm

Spoiler: show

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:34 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:02 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:05 amAlso, my townreads are TonyStarkPrime, Epignosis and Dyslexicon. (Seanzie and Made were not)

Why for me?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:05 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:39 amI suspect you though. I don’t trust people giving easy townreads early D1 or in this case D0.
Why do you town read all those people?

I think this is pretty normal for Tutu tbh. It's pretty normal for a lot of players, myself included. They even tend to be good. =p

You either answered your own question or you are contradicting yourself.

This isn't directly related to Made, but it came up on a CTRL+F, and I'm inclined to talk about this.

What is the purpose of the underlined? To use a phrase I believe Guillotine has used with me, "Does it indicate alignment?" What does either answering one's own question or being self-contradictory tell you about Dyslexicon's alignment, Guillotine?

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:23 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:21 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:06 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:23 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:20 pmOk i understand. Butting in to answer questions meant for others is generally a scum tell, be careful.

It totally isn't imo. This is kind of what I mean with using "general scum tells" that are meant to apply to everyone. I don't know, it's not my thing. But it's ok if it works for you.

I don't tend to be careful. =p

but one step further, policy scum tells are really only useful in context- unless you're mafia in which case it's always useful

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

explain

this whole interaction (this plus the parts snipped) gives me bad vibes on top of the weird general rule ur applying

This is the only direct interaction I see with Made.

I'm going to refrain from saying anything about it until I hear what other people think.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:52 pm
Town dont make things up to apply pressure.

I'm Epignosis. How do you do?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:21 pm [VOTE: Made] aubergine

I won't be around EoD. This is a self preservation vote, Made voting me certainly makes it easier for me though.

Guillotine doesn't go in the same pile as Dyslexicon or juliets. Guillotine goes in the other pile.

It seemed like Epi was townreading Dizzy and Jules, so I am guessing this is saying Guillotine looks scummy?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:23 pm

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:14 pm Literally just waiting for certain players and follow ups right now. Nothing stands out to me that much as scummy, at least nothing I'm feeling convinced of. A lot of players seems fine-ish, and I'm more inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt. I feel like I'm lacking info on Snow, Radish, Made, Guillo, Epi and maybe others. So that is what I'm craving. Luckily, there's time left.

I am feeling this. Made has done as much as Grogu except he did it in five posts instead of zero. Yet Nanook wants to vote Grogu... maybe he's invested in Made Futures?

This is the first mention LC made about Made.

(God this is annoying. I feel like I'm making a grammatical error )

LC took complaints about Made and Grogu and wove them into a snipe at Nanook. Do I have that correct?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:56 am

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:51 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:03 pm I'm going back on Made. Call it a gut read. It's kind of the light tone that seems a bit put on coupled with being late to the game. It reminds me of Radish that one time he was scum forever ago. And me and Radish is the same person, and me and Made might be as well.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

But also, talk to me @Made And talk to Tutu, cause Tutu wants to talk to you.

I can assure you I am neither dyslexicon nor mafia. I would even go far enough to say I was MADE to be town
(i've surprisingly never MADE ( ) that pun before) anywhoozies, hi friend. hru?

Ugh, I want to vote for you now because that was so very bad.

Okie doke.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:09 pm @Made How much do you suspect Guillo and Tony?

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:58 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:53 pm

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:09 pm @Made How much do you suspect Guillo and Tony?

my baddie three right now are Guillo Tutuu and MR with tony on my bench. I think almost every game i've played since i came back i've played with tony, and I think i've read him bad every game. don't think i've been right, so if he's on meta, i'm not likely to go there

I think you're stuck about 500 posts behind with that PoE.

I don't have teammates to feed me the vogue takes, and i'm catching up at work.

What reads am I supposed to have right now Mr Radishes?

Made gave this response to LC's question.

I'd be interested in knowing why LC asked Made specifically about Guillotine and Tony. What does his response tell you about those individuals?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:51 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:48 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:26 pm I bet you there is at least one wolf on my wagon now

That's a progression of thought. Would you still think that if I were not on the list?

Wow, you are the wolf. I never said or implied that that wolf was you.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I was fishing for reactions.

Im reconsidering my townread on Guillo because this just doesnt make sense to me. Stuff that dont make sense to me are often towny but im having a hard time parsing this as towny, its just ???

Still lets yeet Made plz

Let's yeet Made. [VOTE: made] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:53 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:52 pm Although I already regret moving my vote. I'm moving back to Guillo for now. [VOTE: guillo] aubergine

Lolol relatable

Got caught up in your natural charisma

Cold feet caused by tutuu's natural charisma.

Long Con goes with Guillotine to horny jail. Have fun you two.

Okay, same pile as Guillotine. Is this a scum read again?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:12 am

Spoiler: show

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:04 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:04 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:45 pm

Sort by postcount.

Why are Made and snowmelts green??

Because I desired to sort by post count and there are 3 mafia and there are 3 people I scumread and those people are not Made and snowmelts.

This is the first thing for Marmot. I'm just including it, as it was the only thing on the first (third?) page.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:28 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:58 pm So i've played games with everyone here (including Juliet ) besides Dyslexicon, Guillotine, Seanzie, and Snowmelts. Y'all from off world or just syndicats I've haven't met yet?

Either way- Hi! I'm Made. I play mafia on this site sometimes. My favorite color is purple, and I play the piano!

You just got even cooler in my eyes!

Hey, I play the piano and my mom's favorite color is purple! Rad!

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:48 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:28 pm ok I read through tutuu's ISO and have a question about the votes for her - is the main reason for the votes that she has tonally shifted in this game from her tone in other games and on discord? Someone, I can't remember who, said that it doesn't really make good sense to open your role card, see you've drawn mafia and made a decision to shift your tone in this game. I tend to agree with that. I haven't ISO'd her voters so maybe I'll find some additional reasons there but feel free to talk to me here about the additional evidence.

Also, I'm not going to do many ISO's tonight because I process much better in the morning and I want to watch the Cleveland v. Pittsburg game. For those who don't know me, I tend to play early in the day and not as much as night.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.

Spoiler: show

In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

Can we talk about these two posts? Why did Made and juliets both chime in after long absences and iso tutuu??

There's an argument to be made that bad Marmot foresees bad Made getting knocked off his banana seat, and wants to tie juliets to that, but I'm not seeing that.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:53 am

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:51 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:03 pm I'm going back on Made. Call it a gut read. It's kind of the light tone that seems a bit put on coupled with being late to the game. It reminds me of Radish that one time he was scum forever ago. And me and Radish is the same person, and me and Made might be as well.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

But also, talk to me @Made And talk to Tutu, cause Tutu wants to talk to you.

I can assure you I am neither dyslexicon nor mafia. I would even go far enough to say I was MADE to be town
(i've surprisingly never MADE ( ) that pun before) anywhoozies, hi friend. hru?

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

You purple piano punster!!!!!!

Here's the vote, which is sort of a joke (and not the permanent one).

Four minutes later:

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:57 am Ok Epignosis, talk radish to me.

This may not mean anything. I myself still suspect Radish (haven't looked at what he's said about Made but I doubt I'll see anything revelatory), so it's included here.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:13 am

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:05 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:25 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:59 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:54 pmseanzie town

I'm always town.

False. This statement is incorrect. Lie. False positive. Untruth.

I will call out every single lie and false truth posted by anyone in this thread.

This aggressive post leads to the following:

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:09 pm Question. What kind of bear is best.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:12 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:09 pm Question. What kind of bear is best.

That's a ridiculus question.

False. Black bear.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:19 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:15 pm

False. Black bear.

Well, that's debatable. There are basically two schools of thought...

Fact.

Bears eat beets.

Bears.

Beets.

Battlestar Galactica.

The rest of it is fine, it's just that one aggressive post mixed in that looks kinda forced. I agree with the scummate interaction theory proposed by Epignosis.

When's the last time you played with tutuu and what was ur alignment? imo the aggression is consistent, the methodology used to get there is not

We just finished 3 games together. I was scum in each one, she was town in two and my teammate in the other. She was aggressive in all of them. My point was that she called sean's post a lie (and many variations thereof), then her next few posts were the complete opposite.

Part of the reason I found it suspicious is that I didn't think tutuu and sean had ever played together before. So having zero familiarity with each other, I had trouble seeing that interaction coming about naturally. But it came to light recently that they had played a game together before, so I've backed off this suspicion a little.

Marmot said he agreed with "the scummate interaction theory proposed by Epignosis."

Made asked Marmot about tutuu.

Right now I'm struggling with this interaction, so I'll just leave it here and maybe come back to it later. I'm not the Energizer bunny.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:43 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:16 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:53 am

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:51 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:03 pm I'm going back on Made. Call it a gut read. It's kind of the light tone that seems a bit put on coupled with being late to the game. It reminds me of Radish that one time he was scum forever ago. And me and Radish is the same person, and me and Made might be as well.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

But also, talk to me @Made And talk to Tutu, cause Tutu wants to talk to you.

I can assure you I am neither dyslexicon nor mafia. I would even go far enough to say I was MADE to be town
(i've surprisingly never MADE ( ) that pun before) anywhoozies, hi friend. hru?

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

You purple piano punster!!!!!!

Marmot, did you vote for Made because of his pun? I feel like there must be a deeper reason and I would appreciate you sharing it -

Yes, precisely that.

His entrance into the thread last night did feel a little game-solvey, so I don't think my vote will stay, but I'm willing to be convinced on him, because I was wrong on him in Christmas mafia.

There's some hedging here that can go both ways.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:58 pm

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:26 am

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:14 am oh, townlean seanzie. he seems neat

Tell me more! Specifically how neat I am!

But seriously, any reason for the townlean?

I just like the cut of your jib. I can point to specific jibs if you'd like

Made said this today. Made has used this phrase exactly one other time on this forum.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:27 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:16 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:46 pm
What do you think about sloonei?

What do you think about sloonei?

Hekkatown

Why?

I like the cut of ya jib, not really see an angle for a bad paprika generally, and ur defense of samu enough sense to be genuine

That was in Christmastime Mafia. Made was mafia in that game.

Shit like this spooks me about Marmot.

Remember that I called Marmot out about some nonsense he posted and ignored myself about it (he paired his teammate with someone who wasn't even playing- Mac it was), and I ended up losing because I disregarded it.

How does Marmot think to remember this or even search for this? What prompted it?

I'd like some deeper thinking about this and how Marmot operates beyond "Woah, nice catch dude!"

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:06 pm I'm content leaving my vote on Made. It was originally a joke, but that comment he made (haha) both in this game and in his other game as mafia did it for me. Specifically in both cases, he townread someone, they responded asking why he townread them, and his answer was "I like the cut of your jib".

"Content"

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:46 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:45 pm Probably won't be around for EoD, so gonna vote Guillo to make it interesting.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

Made's scummier. I just like D1 rands if we can get 'em.

Spoiler: show

Master Radishes gets the siren gif treatment for this post.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:39 pm

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:12 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:46 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:45 pm Probably won't be around for EoD, so gonna vote Guillo to make it interesting.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

Made's scummier. I just like D1 rands if we can get 'em.

Spoiler: show

I'd move my vote here if you're down @Marmot

Ooooh, that's spicy!

I'll think about it, but if this day quitely winds down the way it's looking to, it won't matter.

This is more important. I've underlined the relevant bit. I have my interpretation but I'd like to hear what Marmot meant.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:41 pm

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:14 pm But what are you thoughts on the Guillotine wagon?

Guillo hasn't really stuck out to me one way or the other. But I think I have a tendency to focus on a couple or a few players and ignore everyone else. Guillo's in my everyone else category.

It's crunch time and this interaction is devoid of pizzazz. It's like these two are talking about the weather.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:50 pm

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:39 pm Pretty quiet for EoD...

It really is compared to how active the day's been

thread was busier when tutuu was under fire. Maybe it's timezone thing, but one, that's convenient, and two, I was run away train by the time I got back to thread and things mellowed out, which is sus.

I'd imagine most of the baddies didn't even have to vote me

Good point, I think tutuu is asleep right now

tuuu were you asleep at the time these posts were written?

I don't really care. I don't know what to do with this interaction.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:52 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:51 pm I wish I was one of the votes for Made right now so I could unvote and create tension to see what happens. I hate how quiet it is. Is this a usual EoD here?

Quite the opposite, I'm a little concerned it's going to be miss because of it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:53 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

There's your spiciness sean.

I can't condemn Marmot for shaking things up. In conjunction with other things, I can't call him a civilian either.

Marmot gets to sit in the middle of the room and watch Dyslexion and juliets have tea and crumpets to his right and LC and Guillotine do the horny rumble for Vince McMahon's pleasure to his left.

Marmot is in the middle of the room... I am assuming this is neutral? Not good or bad?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:06 am

Spoiler: show

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:02 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:58 pm So i've played games with everyone here (including Juliet ) besides Dyslexicon, Guillotine, Seanzie, and Snowmelts. Y'all from off world or just syndicats I've haven't met yet?

Either way- Hi! I'm Made. I play mafia on this site sometimes. My favorite color is purple, and I play the piano!

Hi, I'm Sean. My favorite color is also purple. I do not play the piano, and this is my first game on this site and 8th overall.

I play the piano and my mother's favorite color is purple!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:36 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.

Spoiler: show

In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.

No. Read it in the voice of HIM.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:26 am

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:14 am oh, townlean seanzie. he seems neat

Tell me more! Specifically how neat I am!

But seriously, any reason for the townlean?

I have no problem with this interaction.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:33 am

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:26 am

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:14 am oh, townlean seanzie. he seems neat

Tell me more! Specifically how neat I am!

But seriously, any reason for the townlean?

I just like the cut of your jib. I can point to specific jibs if you'd like

Yes please!

I think in general jib is Nai.

Are you British?

So far much of these interactions are devoid of any attempt to figure each other out.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:35 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:31 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:31 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:29 am [VOTE: Made] aubergine

If my reads are correct, this is the third town in a row Made has shaded. First it was me, then it was the Guillotina vote, and now Long Con.

Is Made sheeping me?

Not sure why are you asking me this question, I have no answer, I don't think there is anything important here.

Sorry, I didn't really mean it to be a question directed at you. I quoted your post because it made me realize that you, Guillotine and Long Con have been the people I have voted, an interesting coincidence. The question was intended to be more directed to the thread in general, sorry.

It took me a few times reading this to get it, but I think I do. Okay.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:28 am I'm drunk and I feel like Dizzy and Guillotine are teamed.

Unrelated to Made, but saw it and had to include it.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:11 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:52 pm No actually if Made flips wolf I believe that looks good if not great for Guillo

Is there an interaction I should look at to convince myself of this?

What I find incredulous about this is twofold:

First, Made hasn't made (ugh) that many posts.

Second, it's easy to see that on the surface, one can conclude that Guillotine is a viable alternative to a Made lynch.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:39 pm Pretty quiet for EoD...

What's wrong with quiet? What do you expect to happen? Given that Made is mafia, what should have happened in the thirty minutes before the vote locked?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:45 pm I am a bit worried. If there are three wolves, I can't imagine they are all on one wagon trying to save their scummate right now. Unless if both Guillotine and Made are wolves, I feel like there would be more activity trying to move wagons around. Made did try to move votes onto MR, which is interesting, but other than that, the quiet is creeping me out.

How do you interpret Master Radishes and Guillotine now that you know Made is bad?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:46 pm @TonyStarkPrime , @Hally y, if you had to choose to vote for one of Made or Guillotine, who would it be?

Here's a prompt to get people to act one way or another. I don't hate it on it's own.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:51 pm I wish I was one of the votes for Made right now so I could unvote and create tension to see what happens. I hate how quiet it is. Is this a usual EoD here?

The urge to "create tension" is a request for others to move their votes or for others to grant permission, as it were, for Seanzie to move.

If you are a civilian, vote wherever the hell you want in the interim, observe, and just make sure your vote is where you want it in the end.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:54 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:53 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

There's your spiciness sean.

Thanks, lets see what happens!

Marmot granted the spicy wish.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:57 pm [VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine I don't like how quiet the thread is leading up to a Made or Guillotine lunch...

Marmot and Seanzie both ended up voting with Made for Master Radishes.

That's a mess.

Seanzie has to share the headless doll with Marmot, but the drawing room is getting full and the wrestling mat is so spacious.

Okay, now I am also with Marmot, am I being scumread or townread here? Who knows?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:29 am

Spoiler: show

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:52 pm

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:44 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:02 pm I'm licking my lips in anticipation.

I like the cut of your jib.

also, does MR open wolf like this as town? I've played with him once before, but I feel like I would of noticed some bull like this-- This and the rest of his ISO

Can a townie open wolf? :philosoraptor:

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:53 pm

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:09 pm @Made How much do you suspect Guillo and Tony?

my baddie three right now are Guillo Tutuu and MR with tony on my bench. I think almost every game i've played since i came back i've played with tony, and I think i've read him bad every game. don't think i've been right, so if he's on meta, i'm not likely to go there

I think you're stuck about 500 posts behind with that PoE.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:45 pm Probably won't be around for EoD, so gonna vote Guillo to make it interesting.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:46 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:45 pm Probably won't be around for EoD, so gonna vote Guillo to make it interesting.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

Made's scummier. I just like D1 rands if we can get 'em.

Rather than comment on this panoply of posts individually, I will place Master Radishes outside the house entirely where he can only hear Vince McMahon's feeble imitations of post-coital Ric Flair.

Now MR ends up "outside the house" Scum read? town read? nobody knows.

So, it seems like maybe Epi is scumreading LC and Guillotine, with me and Marmot being rather neutral, and who knows what Epi thought of MR. Who does Epi end up voting for though throughout the day, only citing these isos as reasoning? ...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:21 am Also, [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:33 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:19 am [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I mean, no reason why you have to keep the same reads from N1 into D2, but Epi's reasoning for all these votes (after being pressed to give it) was just to requote the ISOs without any further explanation. How does that make sense if the three people Epi was voting were not the three people in "horny jail", but instead town people from the "middle of the room" and one from "outside the house"?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:48 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:43 pm

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:20 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:39 pm Okay, so I actually read a bit more of the context for what I was reading earlier.

I didn't realize Epi just simply OMGUS voted Marmot.

Not the case at all.

Wasn't I in your middle pile?

The middle pile is the bad pile.

Oh... okay. That makes sense. Marmot who he could not condemn or call a civilian is in the "bad pile" all the sudden in the middle....

How does this make sense?

It is too easy for scum to hide behind this sort of shit, I'm not going to let it slide. Epi posts a bunch of ambiguous "analysis" to look towny, and then when asked to explain, it is all so ambiguous that he can just say it means whatever he needs it to mean when he needs it. I don't see why everyone is letting him get away with this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:31 am

Spoiler: show

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:30 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:29 am Mom? Really?

go to your room

I've been in my room.

Masturbating.

To prog rock.

Episcum. Add a space to that wherever you see fit.

Wild tinfoil: What if Dizzy's tinfoil about Hally is right, and it is Hally and Epi, and that's why Hally has been trying to get me off Epi's case, and Hally doesn't want Epi in the shot pool because they're wolves together (and Hally also removes me from the proposed shot pool just because it would look hella suspicious to just try to exclude Epi)?

For the record, I'd prefer Epi be in the TSP shot pool, and if I need to jump in there as well to make people okay with the pool, I am okay with that and won't fight it.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:56 pm Alright lets uh

kill MR, kill Epi

I'm starting to think this is a very good plan of action.

Rip Martin.

Can we seriously have a talk about Epi now?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:59 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:57 pm Take this post for instance, Hally. Why did he do this? Did he follow up? Is it something he was talking about? Is it a pressure vote? He voted Seanzie since.

How is the game different if this post doesn't exist?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:33 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Why is this townread? I don't get it, is this what you call maverick?

well why don’t you ask him?

Every time anyone has asked him about his votes, he just quotes the ISOs he did last night, and then I go look at the ISOs, half the points on the person are good, half are bad, and Epi's conclusion is incomprehensible. When he voted for me, I asked him why, and he did this, but I swear he could have also decided to townread me and give the same evidence for his townread. Same thing with Marmot, his justification for voting Marmot was his ISO from last night, but it seemed to me like his Marmot ISO is as middle-of-the-road as it gets. Again, I feel like if he choose to townread Marmot rather than vote Marmot, he would have just quoted the same ISO and expected us to come to a different conclusion based on it.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:47 pm the coffee tell is a tell owner of a lonely heart came up with to catch dizzy in one game where he was scum many moons ago. apparently dizzy used to mention needing coffee a lot when he was scum as a way to preemptively excuse his posts being subpar. the coffee tell has since come to apply generally to players saying things like “i’m so tired rn” as they post. it’s thought that scum are more likely to make those kind of excuses than town

but mostly it’s a meme at this point

Oh, okay. This checks out. I said "I'm tired" in a game once, and people jumped on me for it, so yeah that is a thing there:P Fortunately, that game I had a mason-claim to fall back on.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:36 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:29 pm Nooo, I made a case why I think he's teammate compatible with Made and voted him earlier today lol

Sorry, I forgot about that. It is early and I have not had enough coffee yet.

oh god

oh no

please tell me i’m not seeing this

is this an honest to goodness coffee tell?!

What is a coffee tell, other than me telling you that I am groggy?

are you even a PerC’er if you don’t know the coffee tell?

I'm not exactly a PerC'er. I'm a MafC'er. I only started playing recently, my first game was on QuickTopic with a bunch of people from PerC as they were moving to the new site, MafC, and then I started playing on MafC, so I never actually played on PerC.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:35 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:29 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:26 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:17 pm LC and MR haven't voted yet and I don't particularly like that.

It also looks like LC is the only one who seems to agree with me about Epi, and one of my strong townreads has discouraged me there, so I'mma drop it for now since it doesn't look viable. I'm watching you though Epi!

[VOTE: MartinGG99] aubergine

What am I, chopped Marmot?

You are pushing Epi as town. That would be a disagreement.

why is epi not town? you say he’s not a busser, but you think this time was the exception?

There are a few exceptions, so this wouldn't be *the* exception. When I look at Epi's posts, they're pretty bad, and more than once it's been "oh yeah, but he doesn't like bussing." It's only one factor, not a religion. He's not anti-bussing like Glorfindel is anti-lying. And none of that means Epi never places a final vote on a teammate. Maybe he just didn't expect the Made wagon to take off. Maybe he didn't actually come back online until after the chop. MAybe he did come back at the last minute and thought "it will be very suspicious if I move my vote now!"

why are epi’s posts bad? what’s bad about them? i feel like i’m not seeing it because to me they seem like standard town!epi posts. am i missing something?

Hally, how do you tell the difference between Town!Epi and Scum!Epi? Do you have tells you look for?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:29 pm Nooo, I made a case why I think he's teammate compatible with Made and voted him earlier today lol

Sorry, I forgot about that. It is early and I have not had enough coffee yet.

oh god

oh no

please tell me i’m not seeing this

is this an honest to goodness coffee tell?!

What is a coffee tell, other than me telling you that I am groggy?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:29 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:27 pm lc, why aren’t you voting anyone? who’s bad? who’s good? i feel like most of your posts don’t really lead anywhere atm

I went to vote and then saw the state of the poll. I don't feel like my vote would do much to the situation. I think a Martin yeet is probably good, I would vote for Radish or Epi as well.

When did you go to vote? You could have joined me on Epi or voted MR if you didn't want to join the large Martin wagon.

Your vote does even less not on anyone.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:29 pm Nooo, I made a case why I think he's teammate compatible with Made and voted him earlier today lol

Sorry, I forgot about that. It is early and I have not had enough coffee yet.

LC and MR haven't voted yet and I don't particularly like that.

It also looks like LC is the only one who seems to agree with me about Epi, and one of my strong townreads has discouraged me there, so I'mma drop it for now since it doesn't look viable. I'm watching you though Epi!

[VOTE: MartinGG99] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:19 am [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Fun:) Is it OMGUS, or do you have a real reason to suspect me?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:19 am "Your night ISOs are nice"

What's nice about them?

They are the only towny thing i can find that you did. Doing ISOs and analysis is helpful, even if yours often lacked conclusions that help me read you. The effort looks towny, but I've known scum to do that sort of thing as well.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:42 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:13 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:17 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:30 pm @Seanzie

How do you feel about Long Con and Master Radishes together?

How many wolves do you see in there?

I think it is possible, and neither LC or MR are in my towncore, but I think there are more likely options. In the moment, I really did feel like Made wanted a MR CFD at EoD1, so I have a sneaking suspicion MR is town. LC has also asked me a few good questions getting me to doubt my light town read on MR, and I don't think LC would do that if they were teamed. These things can be explained by bussing, which is why I haven't cleared either of them, but I am more concerned about you and Epignosis.

Especially since LC and I are mindmelding a bit about Epi. Epi's posts have that political feel, where it looks like he is saying a lot, but the reader needs to fill in the blanks, so it is easy to interpret Epi's posts how we want to interpret them. Maybe Epi is just like that, but I've seen strong wolves use that sort of posting technique to make themselves look towny.

How do you feel about Epi?

You accused me of the politician thing Day 1 only to realize you missed my joke when someone else pointed it out to you. I don't think I sound like a politician, and I don't think you believe I sound like one either. What blanks need filling in?

If you're talking about my humorous manner of sorting people, that's not filling in the blanks. That's reading comprehension. My analysis is there for people to conveniently draw their own conclusions, not steal mine.

I don't care about how I look. I care about winning.

I've gotten that politician feeling from you a lot. For example, D1 you were jumping your vote around, and never really gave any reason to be voting here or there. I understand that D1 sometimes vote hopping can help make reactions and sort feelings, but over and over again, I read your posts and I don't know what you are thinking. Another example is that post you just quoted for Marmot. You gave it apparently as a reason why you voted Marmot, but the post itself doesn't take a stance on Marmot, and seems to provide evidence either way. What changed with regard to Marmot to trigger you to vote there rather than LC or Guillotine?

Does helping other townfolk find you as town help town win?

Normally I provide a sarcastic answer to this ("Hello, I'm Epignosis"), but I don't feel like doing that.

Instead I'm going to tell you why you are wrong about me.

Jumping a vote around Day 1 is the opposite of what a politician does. Moving my vote around gives me the most amount of value for a Day 1. What would you prefer I do? Vote one time and leave it there?

You read my posts and you don't know what I am thinking. That's intentional. I don't want people to know what I'm thinking. If I'm obvious, the mafia knows what I'm thinking. That's not ideal.

My Marmot vote (the first time) was a joke. The second time was not. I've since moved it, so I don't know what relevance this has.

You seem to be married to the idea that I need to talk about everything I do. You will be disappointed in that regard.

Look at the posts I made regarding Made. Which person is bad?

I don't care if you vote hop. I care that I don't know a single reason why you moved your vote a single time you did. How am I supposed to judge if you are town or scum if you don't give me anything to judge?

Which posts of yours should I be looking at? Looking at your ISO from D1, Made doesn't show up a lot.

I have a big issue in the fact that you really haven't given much to read off. Your night ISOs are nice, but again it is often unclear what your conclusions are, so no help in reading you, and I don't think it is that hard for scum to run ISOs like you did.