The Syndicate

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:26 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:23 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:20 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:19 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:18 am And like, I was pushing Alison before she outed fmpov fow their D1. And I dont feel like Im the only one seeing that?

So in this case I am asking you for something more than 'trust me bro' because I also have confidence on my read and the way I am feeling about Alison
u are pushing alison for being alison my dude

i cant defend that because that is just how she is, its not AI
The wolfsiding D1 was Alison being Alison?
Their push on a scumread that I also think is scum being only a votepark is Alison being Alison?
What did Alison do D1 that you're calling wolfsiding?
>Confident Townread on Tilgarial
> Pushing Aro and Wisp
> Shaming the Porsha wagon with commentary like 'Catch me on this wagon never' and 'Let Porscha live in D2 she'll pelt 2 wolves for us' and things of that antic .

Also in their PoE I see them as mostly town filled, but I guess that there you have to go and look for them yourself to see if you agree or dont

So aside from Aro, whom Alison actually didn't really want to switch to due to one of her policies, and only switched to after Mac and 100,000 other people did, you have no idea if this is wolfsiding... unless you have TMI?

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:20 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:19 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:18 am And like, I was pushing Alison before she outed fmpov fow their D1. And I dont feel like Im the only one seeing that?

So in this case I am asking you for something more than 'trust me bro' because I also have confidence on my read and the way I am feeling about Alison
u are pushing alison for being alison my dude

i cant defend that because that is just how she is, its not AI
The wolfsiding D1 was Alison being Alison?
Their push on a scumread that I also think is scum being only a votepark is Alison being Alison?

What did Alison do D1 that you're calling wolfsiding?

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:16 am belzy claimed a literal green on him?

@Belzy stop hiding in ur hood chat and confirm everything

Mac claimed Belzy claimed a literal green on him.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:41 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:12 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:08 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:06 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:04 am Also @Seanzie what happened to your read on Dya? Since people started calling it a diff check it seemed like your scumread there rescinded
Yeah, I realized that the "difference check" was reasonably likely wolf propaganda. Dya's read on me is reasonable based on how they've seen me play, and so once I realized that and once I saw how often "difference check" was being echoed in regards to us, I though it was more likely tvt with wolves standing at the sidelines trying to get a double town chop.
I think both me and Mac were the people who echoed it more. And we are kinda obvtowns (at least Mac, and if you dont see me as obvtown Skill Issue) . Apart from us two, you recall someone else trying to push that narrative that pinged you?
I'd recommend changing you vernacular. "skill issue" is kind of insulting IMO.

I think Mac is probably town, but saying he is obvtown is silly, dude's one of the best mafiosos ever. He's been a bit easier to spot in, say, the last year, but if you don't think he has the potential to snow still, skill issue.

As for you, meh. I have no thoughts yet.

A lot of other people have been echoing the difference check. Ilario is one that has been on my mind personally.

Also I am sorry if Skill Issue feels insulting, but I ensure you it doesnt go with does type of intentions? And I have it too deep in my vocabulary that is even a tell that If I dont use it Im more likely a wolf tbh.

What I mean is that I use Skill Issue there to emphasize that I am being towny, but dont really think that people who arent there dont know how to play the game or have issues in their reads and stuff like that.

Als I feel sleepy so I might try to be away from thread a bit zzzz

I'm glad you don't mean it as insulting, but I ensure you it is taken that way. Saying someone has a skill issue to me pretty much sounds like you're saying they suck at the game. I don't see how to interpret it in any way that isn't a direct negative assessment of their abilities.

You do you, but I do recommend thinking about trying to still remove it from your vernacular. I am sure that I am not the only one who feels this way when you say it.

Ehh.. I think these worlds are very unlikely, but two possibilities to explain Mac/Belzy in a wolf!Mac world would be

1. Town!Belzy said something in a weird phrasing that wolf!Mac twisted to say Town!Belzy is a weak neighborizer when she isn't and Mac is trying to exploit that.

2. wolf!Belzy has given up and wolf!Mac is capitalizing on that by doing a fps bus.

Neither particularly likely, but it was a fun academic exercise.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:17 am Seanzie, Mac is town because desperado neighbouriser claim

It's actually weak neighborizer, but yeah, I suppose you're likely right. I'd like to actually hear from Belzy, but sure.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:10 am I said that is pingy regardless of Belzy alignment.
In V!Belzy is straight up wolfy.

I dont think my questioning of you is wolfy no matter what alignment you or Belzy are

I don't think my interest in Belzy is wolfy no matter what alignment anyone is, so we are again at an impasse.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:08 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:06 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:04 am Also @Seanzie what happened to your read on Dya? Since people started calling it a diff check it seemed like your scumread there rescinded
Yeah, I realized that the "difference check" was reasonably likely wolf propaganda. Dya's read on me is reasonable based on how they've seen me play, and so once I realized that and once I saw how often "difference check" was being echoed in regards to us, I though it was more likely tvt with wolves standing at the sidelines trying to get a double town chop.
I think both me and Mac were the people who echoed it more. And we are kinda obvtowns (at least Mac, and if you dont see me as obvtown Skill Issue) . Apart from us two, you recall someone else trying to push that narrative that pinged you?

I'd recommend changing you vernacular. "skill issue" is kind of insulting IMO.

I think Mac is probably town, but saying he is obvtown is silly, dude's one of the best mafiosos ever. He's been a bit easier to spot in, say, the last year, but if you don't think he has the potential to snow still, skill issue.

As for you, meh. I have no thoughts yet.

A lot of other people have been echoing the difference check. Ilario is one that has been on my mind personally.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:07 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:04 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:58 am @Millium my point mostly in regards to Seanzie is somthing like that:

*If you read their D1, they pushed me quite a bit and seemed to be convinced I was a wolf .

*They hop in thread and see that Alison is both a wagon and that is retaliatory pushing me. (He claims to not have seen the spat but I think we were loud enough and poll with votes make it obvious anyways).

*Seanzie seeing that not caring to try to form an opinion on that discussion and picking to talk and 'prioritize' solving Belzy claim/alignment I think is a bad look if Belzy is town. And like a hard approach to the game to believe for me.

Because he claims missing the spat and stuff, but he picked on the dya/him difference check and its usually attentive to the things related to them. So I find their approach / line of thought this game hard to believe.

Also I agree that I am not rescinding the Alison scumread prob never at this point. Who would've thought that misrepping a hard push and try to gaslight could be towny wowee
Never read back, never surrender!

(said in the voice of Tim Allen from Galaxy Quest, but also in a parallel universe where Tim Allen stayed the Tim Allen from my childhood, and didn't become the more modern version of Tim Allen)
When I refer to approach not making sense, I am taking into account a 'never read back' stuff.

Seeing Alison votes I expect you to ask about it / feels who is th woof between me and Alison or something along those lines. But you not showing care there and picking on Belzy is what is pingy and super wolfy in a scenario where Porscha/Alison are mafia and Belzy is town

Yeah, and your actions now are super wolfy in a scenerio where Seanzie is town and Belzy is a wolf.

See? Anyone can add a bunch of unverified assumptions and make a player look bad.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:04 am Also @Seanzie what happened to your read on Dya? Since people started calling it a diff check it seemed like your scumread there rescinded

Yeah, I realized that the "difference check" was reasonably likely wolf propaganda. Dya's read on me is reasonable based on how they've seen me play, and so once I realized that and once I saw how often "difference check" was being echoed in regards to us, I though it was more likely tvt with wolves standing at the sidelines trying to get a double town chop.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:58 am @Millium my point mostly in regards to Seanzie is somthing like that:

*If you read their D1, they pushed me quite a bit and seemed to be convinced I was a wolf .

*They hop in thread and see that Alison is both a wagon and that is retaliatory pushing me. (He claims to not have seen the spat but I think we were loud enough and poll with votes make it obvious anyways).

*Seanzie seeing that not caring to try to form an opinion on that discussion and picking to talk and 'prioritize' solving Belzy claim/alignment I think is a bad look if Belzy is town. And like a hard approach to the game to believe for me.

Because he claims missing the spat and stuff, but he picked on the dya/him difference check and its usually attentive to the things related to them. So I find their approach / line of thought this game hard to believe.

Also I agree that I am not rescinding the Alison scumread prob never at this point. Who would've thought that misrepping a hard push and try to gaslight could be towny wowee

Never read back, never surrender!

(said in the voice of Tim Allen from Galaxy Quest, but also in a parallel universe where Tim Allen stayed the Tim Allen from my childhood, and didn't become the more modern version of Tim Allen)

speaking of santy, where did they go? I thought they were gearing up for a fight, but now they're just gone! (I know, there is this thing called real life that people sometimes incorrectly prioritize over mafia). I was looking forward to seeing where they would take their push on me.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:47 am hahahahah i remember that, was rondo in that game? i think he was bcus i remember a rondo game where he was hard tunneled at start but felt obv villa to me. this game he feels like a wolf who cant make towny posts and is relying on the fact people will give him a pass the first few days

I don't remember because I spent like 20 minutes active time on that game.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:44 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:42 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:38 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:28 am i think i have and i think ive played with u as town and wolf and trd u as my top town for the exact same reason. ill be completely honest, if it werent for dyas read on u and the fact i respect dyas reads highly u would probably be in my top towns currently.
What game have you seen me wolf?

I don't think you have.
were u wolf in last anni?
Never done a mash.

The one place it could have been was smiley mafia or whatever it was called, but that doesn't count. I like 5-posted and was too busy to even try so I just told my wolfmates to bus me d1 since I was going to be a potato.
that game rings a bell! was it jack who bussed u?

Yeah and then endgamed and won on the cred.

That game is not remotely indicative of my wolfing.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:38 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:28 am i think i have and i think ive played with u as town and wolf and trd u as my top town for the exact same reason. ill be completely honest, if it werent for dyas read on u and the fact i respect dyas reads highly u would probably be in my top towns currently.
What game have you seen me wolf?

I don't think you have.
were u wolf in last anni?

Never done a mash.

The one place it could have been was smiley mafia or whatever it was called, but that doesn't count. I like 5-posted and was too busy to even try so I just told my wolfmates to bus me d1 since I was going to be a potato.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:28 am i think i have and i think ive played with u as town and wolf and trd u as my top town for the exact same reason. ill be completely honest, if it werent for dyas read on u and the fact i respect dyas reads highly u would probably be in my top towns currently.

What game have you seen me wolf?

I don't think you have.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:12 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:11 am I think that seanzie is kind of unpaired with both Dyachei and Belzy at this point fwiw. That just makes Seanzie more likely mafia in W!Alison worlds fmpov just because how is the Belzy/Mac thing the stuff he decided to focus on and ignored almos all the rest of the game
sean is unpaired with belsy and wisp imo both who i can kinda see being hits, so as much as i do wanna respect dyas read there and i willl read their arguments there at some point, though in my head i kinda wanna see those other slots flip before i delve into the sean/dya dynamic

Sean/Dya is a false dynamic. Stop it.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:24 am sean fwiw i think alisons interpretation of you is entirely spot on if u end up being town

I fully agree, which is why I felt like pushing her about her read on me was more-or-less a dead end.

However have you ever seen me wolf? How would you know?

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:17 am I could be wrong tho, but D1 you pushed me hard on some stuff so I expect you to get a little more.involved or care when me and Alison fight but you pretended to not see at all

"pretend" Nah.

I saw someone mention the spat, but I did not see the spat, at least that I recall.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:16 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:13 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:11 am I think that seanzie is kind of unpaired with both Dyachei and Belzy at this point fwiw. That just makes Seanzie more likely mafia in W!Alison worlds fmpov just because how is the Belzy/Mac thing the stuff he decided to focus on and ignored almos all the rest of the game
Why would me being unpaired with two people make me more likely mafia in any situation? Being unpaired always makes someone less likely mafia.
My mind works in mysterious ways, and I think both dya and Belzy are more likely villa than you at this point tbh

Regardless, you are making an implication that me being unpaired with two people makes it more likely I am mafia. This is flat out logically incorrect.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:13 am @Seanzie It bothers me that you see some people running wild over Alison and wanting her dead. Alison also is being loud and pushing me in retaliation. She gives you a cuestionable town read.
And you seem to not care or give reads onto that discussion, but inmediately take care about the claim of Belzy and said of prioritizing solving there.

What is your read on Alison and Porscha and why you are not getting involved on their wagons?

You claim I see a great many things when actually I usually just skip to the current page any time I come on here and there are 8 pages...

But, I am concerned with Belzy because earlier I was shielding them, and if I could talk to them, I think there is a reasonable chance I can say without a doubt they are a wolf. There are very few explanations for certain things that they could give that would not convince me that they're a wolf, and I don't want to say what I need to see out loud because then they could prepare for it, but I know Belzy pretty well and I think they're just trapped/outed.

As for Porscha, idk if I'd really call them a wagon. I've talked about them in detail in the past and don't think I've seen a single post of theirs since I talked about them, so if you want I can requote that, but you can look it up in my iso as well.

As for Alison, meh. She's always read me correctly a few posts into the game, and usually I get something about her alignment by pushing her about her read on me, but here she is giving a valid but kinda flat way to townread me and didn't volunteer more info when pressed, so I am having a harder time reading her how I usually do, but the rest of the thread is spending lots of energy there, so whatever.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:11 am I think that seanzie is kind of unpaired with both Dyachei and Belzy at this point fwiw. That just makes Seanzie more likely mafia in W!Alison worlds fmpov just because how is the Belzy/Mac thing the stuff he decided to focus on and ignored almos all the rest of the game

Why would me being unpaired with two people make me more likely mafia in any situation? Being unpaired always makes someone less likely mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:50 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:49 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:45 am seems like belzy didn't realise that I thought they were multishot so didn't correct me when I was talking plans lol
Have they been talking to you in the neighborhood?

I still have some major gripes with the situation @Belzy come talk to me.
Alison's top town
I uhh do not know if this is in response to me or a mistake.
I am just saying it in response to your post because it's hilarious to me that anyone thinks that read is anything other than openwolfing satire

That's all fine and dandy. Can you answer my question about Belzy? Have then been talking to you in the neighborhood?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:49 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:45 am seems like belzy didn't realise that I thought they were multishot so didn't correct me when I was talking plans lol
Have they been talking to you in the neighborhood?

I still have some major gripes with the situation @Belzy come talk to me.
Alison's top town

I uhh do not know if this is in response to me or a mistake.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:45 am seems like belzy didn't realise that I thought they were multishot so didn't correct me when I was talking plans lol

Have they been talking to you in the neighborhood?

I still have some major gripes with the situation @Belzy come talk to me.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:27 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:26 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:19 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:12 pm Uhhh clearly the only reasonable elim today is either Belzy or Mac.
no, Mac isn't part of that picture, if Mac kills a town with this he just looks bad, could probably walk out of it
but if he is a wolf and alison is town, there is literally no need to derail the Alison train with something like that

+ belzy is the key to everything, if they are town, Mac is confirmed
if they are a wolf, Mac is still cleared honestly, cause why the hell do this
I mean, I don't disagree with you, but anytime anyone claims something as damning as Mac did, you resolve between the claimer and the claimee. That's all I'm saying.
What if I believe Belzy was telling the truth and merely forgot to mention it was a oneshot until they realised Mac was assuming it wasn't?

I don't see how that's not a world that exists with this claim. I don't see why we are required to resolve there.

Then that will be cleared up and the situation changes.

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:19 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:12 pm Uhhh clearly the only reasonable elim today is either Belzy or Mac.
no, Mac isn't part of that picture, if Mac kills a town with this he just looks bad, could probably walk out of it
but if he is a wolf and alison is town, there is literally no need to derail the Alison train with something like that

+ belzy is the key to everything, if they are town, Mac is confirmed
if they are a wolf, Mac is still cleared honestly, cause why the hell do this

I mean, I don't disagree with you, but anytime anyone claims something as damning as Mac did, you resolve between the claimer and the claimee. That's all I'm saying.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:12 pm Uhhh clearly the only reasonable elim today is either Belzy or Mac.
We're mostly just killing time until Belzy comes back and fullclaims which is why we're only arguing slightly about my actual case on Santy and most of it is just jokes about DVC mockery.

acceptable I guess.

Uhhh clearly the only reasonable elim today is either Belzy or Mac.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:01 pm Yeah kinda think Belzy needs to fullclaim in the thread.

@Belzy [VOTE: belzy] aubergine

Yeah kinda think Belzy needs to fullclaim in the thread.

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:04 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:02 pm You are literally the least important person to spend energy solving right now.
it's not about solving me. it's about solving everybody else
no.
if I'm mafia, this would mean forcing my wolf buddies to choose a side and be accounted for
if I'm town, this means wolves need to come up with convincing reasoning either way they choose, and I don't believe they expected to need to be doing that today if me being unvotable is really a power of theirs

All fine and dandy, but people don't have unlimited time/solving energy. Spending it casing you is bad IMO. Others can do what they want, but I think this is an anti-town suggestion you've offered and I for one will not partake.

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:02 pm You are literally the least important person to spend energy solving right now.
it's not about solving me. it's about solving everybody else

no.

You are literally the least important person to spend energy solving right now.

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:58 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:50 pm also, I had a sudden bout of regret for not doing it when I thought day was ending soon, so lets do it!

premise:
mafia chose to take away your choice to vote me.
this is likely for reasons people have said and that I think sound reasonable!
you don't like that. I don't like that either.
so let's do a little thing:
I wanna make myself a focus for the day by force!

let's divide thread into two sides.
Team Let's-Ml-Tilga-D3
and Team Let's-Not-Do-That

fun thing?
you can't exe me today anyways, so it doesn't matter too much which side you choose.
this is about reasoning & making yourself readable, and about not letting mafia choose what town does or doesn't get to do.

so to that effect, what I want from you is:

- Pick a side. either is fine.

- Explain why you picked the side you did. am I sus, why? am I not sus enough, why? am I town, why?

- Don't forget that you'll have to vote somebody out in 28 hours. you're welcome to use this and people's reasoning for that, but keep in mind it's not about which side people chose, it's about the reasoning they provide. town can be wrong, and mafia can be right!

- let's have fun. I'll be honest, I kinda enjoy this situation, even though this is most likely a super ego play right here. And regardless of what side you're on, we're currently playing a game together, so I hope you all are having fun too!
@Alison
@Belzy
@Chamomile
@dyachei
@EnderWiggin
@ilario
@Lilypetal
@MacDougall
@Millium
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Neon
@Porscha
@RondoDimBuckle
@santygrass
@Seanzie

ask me questions, chopose a side!
I'll be doing my best to get answers to any questions you have for me, even if I do not currently have them, so ask away. ask what you need to make your choice, ask what you want to know.
I firmly believe this is a pro-town move, even if I end up being the D3 exe.
Thank you for participating!

No.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:04 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:02 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:56 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:14 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:06 pm see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly
I mean, I wouldn't really say I'm being unusual, instead just different than the games I've played with you. If you compare me to what I've looked like since I got my new job, you might see that your meta on me is just outdated.

But yeah, Alison's strong townread of me has started to weird me out as well. She does tend to be good at reading me, but I don't see a lot of evidence that she has actually read me at this point.
This is exactly what you said to Mac in KOTH when he read you correctly.
Are you making implications off this, or just passively observing something that I'm not going to bother to check?
I'm implying that you underestimate how easy it is to read you and therefore get surprised or concerned when people read you more easily than you feel they should.

And I would rebut that I am less concerned with how surprised I am and more concerned with using how others read me to read them. You're kind of a prime candidate for this sort of read since I have faithfully asked you in pretty much every game why you townread me (when you townread me) and IF you explain, I often can find you, for better or worse. You not explaining, even if you think it is easy, makes it harder for me to find you, which I can only look at negatively.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:56 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:14 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:06 pm see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly
I mean, I wouldn't really say I'm being unusual, instead just different than the games I've played with you. If you compare me to what I've looked like since I got my new job, you might see that your meta on me is just outdated.

But yeah, Alison's strong townread of me has started to weird me out as well. She does tend to be good at reading me, but I don't see a lot of evidence that she has actually read me at this point.
This is exactly what you said to Mac in KOTH when he read you correctly.

Are you making implications off this, or just passively observing something that I'm not going to bother to check?

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:39 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:34 pm whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao
The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao
what do you think about porscha in general/in those quotes?

Porscha is south-of-null for me, but I don't feel so strongly about it that I'mma start canvasing for her elim.

I felt weird about the Porscha wagon as EoD was getting close yesterday and felt a bit better about Millium, but kind of think that if Millium is town, Porscha's wolf equity grows a lot.

As for those posts, I didn't think much about the at the time, but now I kind of think perhaps it could be wolf!Porscha trying not to draw my suspicion. She has usually had a good read on me in the past, being one of the few people who really caught me (and died for it) in my last wolf game, and usually finding me town, so it is possible she is bending over backwards to townread me there in order to not make me wonder why she is reading me wrong this game. If I put my confbias glasses on, the "????" kinda reeks of a wolf who is caught up via wolfchat (so no mention of masons in wolf chat -> surprised about me mentioning masons because they didn't read EoD1). I don't remember the other teal olored post and I am phone posting so meh no comment there.

So yeah, bad feelz about the Porscha wagon and general bad feelz about how EoD1 happened gives me pause, but on play Porscha doesn't look good. Still think solving Millium is the single thing that will do the most good though.

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:39 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:34 pm whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao
The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao
what do you think about porscha in general/in those quotes?

Porscha is south-of-null for me, but I don't feel so strongly about it that I'mma start canvasing for her elim.

I felt weird about the Porscha wagon as EoD was getting close yesterday and felt a bit better about Millium, but kind of think that if Millium is town, Porscha's wolf equity grows a lot.

As for those posts, I didn't think much about the at the time, but now I kind of think perhaps it could be wolf!Porscha trying not to draw my suspicion. She has usually had a good read on me in the past, being one of the few people who really caught me (and died for it) in my last wolf game, and usually finding me town, so it is possible she is bending over backwards to townread me there in order to not make me wonder why she is reading me wrong this game. If I put my confbias glasses on, the "????" kinda reeks of a wolf who is caught up via wolfchat (so no mention of masons in wolf chat -> surprised about me mentioning masons because they didn't read EoD1). I don't remember the other teal olored post and I am phone posting so meh no comment there.

So yeah, bad feelz about the Porscha wagon and general bad feelz about how EoD1 happened gives me pause, but on play Porscha doesn't look good. Still think solving Millium is the single thing that will do the most good though.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:39 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:34 pm whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao
The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao
oh wow that sure clears it up

Hey, I'm just doing what you asked.

But yeah, since you are specifically talking about Porscha's words, I don't have much to say other than that I know they aren't w/w. If you want to talk about it, I am here, but I have little to say if your only reason to wolfread me is because of someone else's words, there isn't anything for me to engage with and clear up there.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:34 pm whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:06 pm see? even seanzie doesn't think he's been his usual self in the games. so why is alison v reading him so strongly

I mean, I wouldn't really say I'm being unusual, instead just different than the games I've played with you. If you compare me to what I've looked like since I got my new job, you might see that your meta on me is just outdated.

But yeah, Alison's strong townread of me has started to weird me out as well. She does tend to be good at reading me, but I don't see a lot of evidence that she has actually read me at this point.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:34 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:30 am You are projecting Alison .

Speaking of which.

@Tilgarial @Alison what are your reads on dya and seanzie?
I don't have a strong read on dya. I said that I thought they were lean V but it's a weak read.

I think Seanzie is town.

Why do you think I'm town? I have no teeth this game.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:39 am I feel overwhelmed by the thread activity. Don't expect too much posting from me today.

It's okay. I'm shielding you.

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Kinda think this flip would actually lead to the most likely winning state for town.

Oh, I guess people are just killing Alison. I really thought it'd end up me/Dya today.

Shows how much I know. There is a lot of day left though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:27 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:24 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:22 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario
ahhh ok thanks. so that means porcha claimed something already?
i think she did but I dont remember details

on another note my ideal wagons today would probably be porscha and seanzie. I think porscha's solving today leaves a lot to be desired
@Seanzie get in here and do alignment indicative things.

You pushing me/dya vs wanting to figure out of the Millium->Aro shift was wolf-driven is an extremely bad look for you.

The fact that the thread is going along with it suggests that my earling foreboding feelings about yesterdays EoD thread movements is likely spot on and town needs to re-eval hard and understand why D1 happened the way D1 happened, or we're gonna get into a pickle pretty quickle.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:20 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:18 am it looks like everyone is w reading me today, so please make sure to not let off of seanzie when I flip
I'll do u one better and chop him even if you flip mafia

Now this is a pro gamer move.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:17 am @ilario

read seanzie for me please

things that have stood out to me today:

Seanzie is normally a very aware player. He reads the thread and comes up with good reads as a result. But today when mac was asking me to assume aro was a revered mafia player and to solve his wagon based on that, seanzie missed the very premise and only focused on his name.

It's things like this that make me not like the people pushing for a me/dya difference check.

Dya could be a wolf here, but their points on me are valid based on their experience with me. They haven't played with busy Seanzie who doesn't read most of the posts, they've only played with tryhard Seanzie.

Dya: Bad news, I'm going to become even less likely to have the whole picture and even more ego-search driven over the next few days. Workdays are... hard.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:57 am Dear Rondo haters.

Rondo is being a Rondo.

Last time Rondo was a Rondo the mafia dragged his ass to final 5 and he became Super Rondo 3 and pew pewed them like a sonic boom.

So we don't reeeeally worry about Rondo on day 2.

I'm kind of okay ignoring Rondo, but this is a bad reason. What about halvosen ridge?

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