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Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:29 am I guess I sort of feel like... even if I *had* pushed for a seanzie flashwagon:

so what? that makes my slot less town from seanzie's perspective?

When people push for anti-town things, there could be an anti-town reason for it.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:12 pm Speaking of which, @MacDougall @Stupid Sexy Flanders do either of you know HOW you were revived?
Yes, I was revived by your mother.
The lady bumming smokes outside the donut shop?

That's her! Okay, Mac and Flanders' story checks out.

Speaking of which, @MacDougall @Stupid Sexy Flanders do either of you know HOW you were revived?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:30 pm I totally forgot about this game. Someone give me the backstory.

You were here for D1, so I'mma presume you remeber that. D2 DoOm was revived, and we had a double-elim where Falcon and Flanders both flipped town (Flanders has been revived now though). Most of the day was very slow, and it was like pulling teeth even just getting people to vote, but EoD was a lot more active. Falcon, Flanders and Marmot were all in contention, and I almost got flash wagoned, so that was fun. This post might be helpful if you want to look at the votes in the last 20 minutes of the day:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:35 pm Reconstructing the votes from last night:

Starting from post 719 because I think I remember the VC then. It was something like:

Flanders 3: DaughterOfOmega, Creature, Seanzie
Falcon 2: Stupid Sexy Flanders, RondoDimBuckle
Marmot 2: LinearPoint, Porscha
Porscha 1: Falcon45ca
unsure: Marmot, Martin
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Martin votes Falcon and Rondo votes me, then Martin almost immediately unvotes Falcon.
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Flanders 3: DaughterOfOmega, Creature, Seanzie
Marmot 2: LinearPoint, Porscha
Falcon 1: Stupid Sexy Flanders
Porscha 1: Falcon45ca
Seanzie 1: RondoDimBuckle
Unvote: Martin
unsure: Marmot
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I vote Falcon. A little while later Martin votes Falcon, then Marmot. I think somewhere around here LP also switched to me, but I can't find a vote in thread.
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Falcon 4: Stupid Sexy Flanders, Seanzie, Martin, Marmot
Flanders 2: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Seanzie 2: RondoDimBuckle, LinearPoint
Marmot 1: Porscha
Porscha 1: Falcon45ca
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LP votes Marmot again last minute.
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Final:
Falcon 4: MartinGG99, Seanzie, Stupid Sexy Flanders, Marmot
Flanders 2: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Marmot 2: LinearPoint, Porscha
Seanzie 1: RondoDimBuckle
Porscha 1: Falcon45ca
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Looking at this, I don't see how to interpret wagon movements as any sort of obvious saves or anything. In particular, no one (aside from me) seemed to be trying to save Marmot by spreading votes onto Flanders, which makes me think Marmot is either just town, or minimally anti-teamed with everyone who was active at the end. Looking at this, I am a little curious to hear from LP about what changed with regards to me/Marmot coming in to today. Yesterday you seemed pretty sure one of us was mafia, but then today you said we're likely 3p. What changed?

GTH I'mma say that EoD scramble was town-led, which makes me think we need to seriously consider resolving in Creature/Cobalt.

D3 I'm still kind of waiting to hear from Rondo about his vote on me yesterday, and with two revives, it seems like one of you/Flanders could have had an alignment change, but I think the consensus is that we should elim in the 8 people who haven't died yet since we know for sure there are 2 mafia and a 3p in that group.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:28 pm Anyone I should take out of the list and why?

How about you tell us. Aside from Cobalt, you've given the least content this game, so I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Wait, actually don't ignore it. 3p and mafia both would have incentive to self-pres there (and actually town would as well), so how does us not self-presing make 3p make sense?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:11 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:59 pm Honestly it's quite simple. If you were both Mafia it'd be silly to allow a 50/50 lynch between a Mafia and Town when both you and Marmot had the power to untie it.
Why couldn't one of us be mafia still?

Also, to be completely honest, I woulda moved to Flanders as self-pres when I was tied but apparently I kinda suck at phone mafia.

Sorry I misread your post, ignore my first question.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:59 pm Honestly it's quite simple. If you were both Mafia it'd be silly to allow a 50/50 lynch between a Mafia and Town when both you and Marmot had the power to untie it.

Why couldn't one of us be mafia still?

Also, to be completely honest, I woulda moved to Flanders as self-pres when I was tied but apparently I kinda suck at phone mafia.

Reconstructing the votes from last night:

Starting from post 719 because I think I remember the VC then. It was something like:

Flanders 3: DaughterOfOmega, Creature, Seanzie
Falcon 2: Stupid Sexy Flanders, RondoDimBuckle
Marmot 2: LinearPoint, Porscha
Porscha 1: Falcon45ca
unsure: Marmot, Martin
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Martin votes Falcon and Rondo votes me, then Martin almost immediately unvotes Falcon.
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Flanders 3: DaughterOfOmega, Creature, Seanzie
Marmot 2: LinearPoint, Porscha
Falcon 1: Stupid Sexy Flanders
Porscha 1: Falcon45ca
Seanzie 1: RondoDimBuckle
Unvote: Martin
unsure: Marmot
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I vote Falcon. A little while later Martin votes Falcon, then Marmot. I think somewhere around here LP also switched to me, but I can't find a vote in thread.
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Falcon 4: Stupid Sexy Flanders, Seanzie, Martin, Marmot
Flanders 2: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Seanzie 2: RondoDimBuckle, LinearPoint
Marmot 1: Porscha
Porscha 1: Falcon45ca
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LP votes Marmot again last minute.
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Final:
Falcon 4: MartinGG99, Seanzie, Stupid Sexy Flanders, Marmot
Flanders 2: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Marmot 2: LinearPoint, Porscha
Seanzie 1: RondoDimBuckle
Porscha 1: Falcon45ca
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Looking at this, I don't see how to interpret wagon movements as any sort of obvious saves or anything. In particular, no one (aside from me) seemed to be trying to save Marmot by spreading votes onto Flanders, which makes me think Marmot is either just town, or minimally anti-teamed with everyone who was active at the end. Looking at this, I am a little curious to hear from LP about what changed with regards to me/Marmot coming in to today. Yesterday you seemed pretty sure one of us was mafia, but then today you said we're likely 3p. What changed?

GTH I'mma say that EoD scramble was town-led, which makes me think we need to seriously consider resolving in Creature/Cobalt.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:54 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:37 am I'm going to be away all day today, but I'll be around tomorrow
*Insert gif with bald eagles and freedom and lack of healthcare for the poor and stuff*
I'm a bit curious as to why. Something change your mind about me?

I'mma go ahead and guess you are quoting the wrong post here.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:01 am [vimeo][/vimeo]
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:48 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:48 am Porscha, Mac

Marmot

Sean, LP, Martin

Rondo
Creature
Cobalt -> 3p
This is mostly where I am at with Martin and LP a little higher, and Porscha and Marmot a little lower.
Porscha's D2 fact finding mission when Doom had the EOD chain of events all mixed up was town work. There'd be no reason for wolves to essentially stick their neck out in an exercise to expose truths.

I agree that her defending you when she didn't have to looks good, especially after your town flip, but she was pushing for a flashwagon on me that almost happened without actually joining it herself, which doesn't sit well with me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:37 am I'm going to be away all day today, but I'll be around tomorrow

*Insert gif with bald eagles and freedom and lack of healthcare for the poor and stuff*

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:48 am Porscha, Mac

Marmot

Sean, LP, Martin

Rondo
Creature
Cobalt -> 3p

This is mostly where I am at with Martin and LP a little higher, and Porscha and Marmot a little lower.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:35 am One of the revives could have altered alignment, but I'm going to assume for now they weren't.

I'm also kinda worried about this, but we know for sure there are 2 wolves and a 3p in the group of 8 who haven't died, so we should elim in there and just be cautious/watchful for how Flanders and Mac act moving forward.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:16 am I think Marmot is likely town. Not impossibly mafia, but unlikely.

So I'm at:

Seanzie
Flanders
Porscha
Marmot

as all likely or very probably town

I suspect something like

rondo -> creature -> one of cobalt/lp, probably cobalt as I dont want to ever lose to an afk slot -> one of lp/marmot

Creature is quite low simply because I don't have any confidence in reading them, and also I kinda feel like they're the sort to not care about a double-yeet all that much even if scum.

Why is Flanders but not Mac on that list?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:46 pm [VOTE: seanzie ] aubergine You say I am misreading the game state of you vs flanders and now you are voting him

Can you explain this vote?

Yes, were were just flat out wrong when you said Flanders scumread me. Flanders didn't though as far as I can tell.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:52 pm why bother shielding marmot tho. talk to me sean

I've already explained this, lemme try to find the posts.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:49 pm Honestly I think Seanzie is trying to shield of Marmot here. I don't see how you go form unwilling to untie a 3-way to explicitly tying a 3-way.

I am trying to shield Marmot. The only time I tied a 3-way was after you made this post, in order to increase the chance of Falcon/Flanders getting chopped.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Who is here right now?

[VOTE: Flanders] aubergine

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:38 pm Well Falcon is being top lynch and I think Marmot is probably more likely than Flanders.

Sell me on Marmot

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:31 pm [VOTE: Falcon ] aubergine sheeping seanzie since I cant get cobalt going

Ugh, now I actually have to think.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:25 pm Seanzie, would you be willing to vote one of the other two wagons to not have the vote randomed?

If not, what's so compelling that you think Falcon is scummier than Marmot and Flanders?

I'm not willing to move at this time, no.

I could see myself moving to Flanders, but I feel okay about Marmot and I think at least one, if not both of Flanders/Falcon are scum of some kind.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:52 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:37 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:36 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:27 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:17 pm

I had a similar thought earlier (not necessarily removing focus since I don't think they've gotten that much attention, but dealing with a slot we can't take to FX), but I'd also like to hear who you'd vote for if you weren't voting to deal with a troublesome slot.
LP/Martin/Flanders, I didnt like martins explosion eaerlier, It could have been a wolf exhasperated about his slot being tunneled so early in the day and his pop in after the votes had dissipated looked wolfy to me but I will be honest and say I didnt put much time in to reading them fully.

LP I didnt like for the double freeze

Flanders because he keeps sussing my spot and I know I am town and I have been the most solvy day 1

GTH I think Flanders might be town but I also dont like how he has treated your slot. it could have been T/T but I also tinfoil For W/W because we could be in a terrible spot being lead by Seanzie/Fladers into oblivion because of holidays and low wim.
I don't know what you mean by "double freeze".

How has Flanders treated my slot?
In the last 100 posts he was fairly agressive towards calling you scum then doesnt really push it fully

And in my ISO I got LP to freeze and bail from chat for a bit at one point. I saw it as scum indicative. However I could be wrong so I didnt push it too hard because I tunnel sometimes. So Cobalt is the obvious choice for me so I have more info for tomorrow
I feel like something is off. I just checked Flander's ISO and I don't think he's called me scum once this game, and he has a stated townread on me from earlier today. Are you reading the same game I am?
And actually, what info are you hoping to get from a Cobalt flip?
removal of cobalt from the game

I don't really see how that is info. How would your reads change if you suddenly learned Cobalt's alignment?

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:42 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:38 pm I'm slightly concerned about lynching falcon because I feel like players frequently read him wrong and I don't feel like he is doing the work he did as wolf in the Baseball game.
Seanzie, what's your view on falcon45ca?

His treatment of DoOm yesterday I think was wolfy, and the towniest thing he has done has been to acknowledge that some of the stuff he has done is suspect. He has been kinda dodgy about giving reasons for his thoughts, and I think there is something going on with Flanders/Falcon, but maybe that's just because they know each other well and are pushing eachother a lot.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:23 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:01 pm Also where are you all at Stupid Sexy Flanders?
Where are you at on Flanders? I'd like to hear some of your thoughts.
He seemed underwhelming D1, but I haven't followed much lately so hence I'm asking about them.

Are you caught up? If not, how much have you read?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:36 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:27 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:17 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:59 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:56 pm

cobalt is who you want to resolve more than anyone? am I reading that right
Yes

They are on everyones mind, everyone wants them to post. They have been a 1 post day 1 and 0 post day 2. I just want them out so we can stop talking about them. I dont care if they are town or wolf. It would be great if they are wolf. Sure its low hanging fruit but its removing focus from the game.
I had a similar thought earlier (not necessarily removing focus since I don't think they've gotten that much attention, but dealing with a slot we can't take to FX), but I'd also like to hear who you'd vote for if you weren't voting to deal with a troublesome slot.
LP/Martin/Flanders, I didnt like martins explosion eaerlier, It could have been a wolf exhasperated about his slot being tunneled so early in the day and his pop in after the votes had dissipated looked wolfy to me but I will be honest and say I didnt put much time in to reading them fully.

LP I didnt like for the double freeze

Flanders because he keeps sussing my spot and I know I am town and I have been the most solvy day 1

GTH I think Flanders might be town but I also dont like how he has treated your slot. it could have been T/T but I also tinfoil For W/W because we could be in a terrible spot being lead by Seanzie/Fladers into oblivion because of holidays and low wim.
I don't know what you mean by "double freeze".

How has Flanders treated my slot?
In the last 100 posts he was fairly agressive towards calling you scum then doesnt really push it fully

And in my ISO I got LP to freeze and bail from chat for a bit at one point. I saw it as scum indicative. However I could be wrong so I didnt push it too hard because I tunnel sometimes. So Cobalt is the obvious choice for me so I have more info for tomorrow
I feel like something is off. I just checked Flander's ISO and I don't think he's called me scum once this game, and he has a stated townread on me from earlier today. Are you reading the same game I am?

And actually, what info are you hoping to get from a Cobalt flip?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:27 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:17 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:59 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:56 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:51 pm

I dont know Falcon well enough to say if its a hit or not. I am leaning town and Marmot I am ok with but I want to set up a possible third wagon and someone who I just want to resolve more than anyone else in the game
cobalt is who you want to resolve more than anyone? am I reading that right
Yes

They are on everyones mind, everyone wants them to post. They have been a 1 post day 1 and 0 post day 2. I just want them out so we can stop talking about them. I dont care if they are town or wolf. It would be great if they are wolf. Sure its low hanging fruit but its removing focus from the game.
I had a similar thought earlier (not necessarily removing focus since I don't think they've gotten that much attention, but dealing with a slot we can't take to FX), but I'd also like to hear who you'd vote for if you weren't voting to deal with a troublesome slot.
LP/Martin/Flanders, I didnt like martins explosion eaerlier, It could have been a wolf exhasperated about his slot being tunneled so early in the day and his pop in after the votes had dissipated looked wolfy to me but I will be honest and say I didnt put much time in to reading them fully.

LP I didnt like for the double freeze

Flanders because he keeps sussing my spot and I know I am town and I have been the most solvy day 1

GTH I think Flanders might be town but I also dont like how he has treated your slot. it could have been T/T but I also tinfoil For W/W because we could be in a terrible spot being lead by Seanzie/Fladers into oblivion because of holidays and low wim.
I don't know what you mean by "double freeze".

How has Flanders treated my slot?
In the last 100 posts he was fairly agressive towards calling you scum then doesnt really push it fully

And in my ISO I got LP to freeze and bail from chat for a bit at one point. I saw it as scum indicative. However I could be wrong so I didnt push it too hard because I tunnel sometimes. So Cobalt is the obvious choice for me so I have more info for tomorrow

I feel like something is off. I just checked Flander's ISO and I don't think he's called me scum once this game, and he has a stated townread on me from earlier today. Are you reading the same game I am?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:17 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:59 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:56 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:51 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:44 pm [VOTE: cobalt ] aubergine
what you think about the other wagons
I dont know Falcon well enough to say if its a hit or not. I am leaning town and Marmot I am ok with but I want to set up a possible third wagon and someone who I just want to resolve more than anyone else in the game
cobalt is who you want to resolve more than anyone? am I reading that right
Yes

They are on everyones mind, everyone wants them to post. They have been a 1 post day 1 and 0 post day 2. I just want them out so we can stop talking about them. I dont care if they are town or wolf. It would be great if they are wolf. Sure its low hanging fruit but its removing focus from the game.
I had a similar thought earlier (not necessarily removing focus since I don't think they've gotten that much attention, but dealing with a slot we can't take to FX), but I'd also like to hear who you'd vote for if you weren't voting to deal with a troublesome slot.
LP/Martin/Flanders, I didnt like martins explosion eaerlier, It could have been a wolf exhasperated about his slot being tunneled so early in the day and his pop in after the votes had dissipated looked wolfy to me but I will be honest and say I didnt put much time in to reading them fully.

LP I didnt like for the double freeze

Flanders because he keeps sussing my spot and I know I am town and I have been the most solvy day 1

GTH I think Flanders might be town but I also dont like how he has treated your slot. it could have been T/T but I also tinfoil For W/W because we could be in a terrible spot being lead by Seanzie/Fladers into oblivion because of holidays and low wim.

I don't know what you mean by "double freeze".

How has Flanders treated my slot?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:01 pm Also where are you all at Stupid Sexy Flanders?

Where are you at on Flanders? I'd like to hear some of your thoughts.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:59 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:56 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:51 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:44 pm [VOTE: cobalt ] aubergine
what you think about the other wagons
I dont know Falcon well enough to say if its a hit or not. I am leaning town and Marmot I am ok with but I want to set up a possible third wagon and someone who I just want to resolve more than anyone else in the game
cobalt is who you want to resolve more than anyone? am I reading that right
Yes

They are on everyones mind, everyone wants them to post. They have been a 1 post day 1 and 0 post day 2. I just want them out so we can stop talking about them. I dont care if they are town or wolf. It would be great if they are wolf. Sure its low hanging fruit but its removing focus from the game.

I had a similar thought earlier (not necessarily removing focus since I don't think they've gotten that much attention, but dealing with a slot we can't take to FX), but I'd also like to hear who you'd vote for if you weren't voting to deal with a troublesome slot.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:41 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:34 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:47 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:19 pm So this is a pretty bad situation by the looks of it. We only have 4 people voting and 10 hours left for a double elimination.
Agreed.

@RondoDimBuckle @MartinGG99 @Porscha @Creature @DaughterOfOmega @Marmot @Cobalt

Please get in here and vote, or at least explain why you're not voting.

Why tf do I have to @ so many people for this?
I figured I could actually just pop-in around EoD and place a vote, and maybe make the wolves nervous in the mean-time that way by removing myself from the equation (so that the elimination would be less decided). That way, there would be more incentive for posts regardless of alignment.

Though considering there have been a fair amount of posts since then I guess I might share that I am tempted to join the Marmot wagon. I don't track how much he jokes as town or mafia, but I do recall a game where he posted a funny picture of a wolf chasing a marmot in reaction to a question @ him, while he was mafia. Makes me wonder if he's more inclined to joke as mafia, as twice now I've asked him about things and his response was "it was a joke" and I suspect p#418 was spun to look silly and/or joke-y as well. Only thing that mildly bothers me about it is that I never really did count and also marmot hasn't voted nor really posted yet, in a day-phase where there would be arguably even more incentive for mafia to vote and post.

So I'll probably do the Falcon wagon. I don't quite trust Flanders being on it, but I do think resolving one of Falcon/Flanders is a good idea given that they both know each other probably more than they know anybody else here (iirc). Also something something wolfy reasoning from Martin.

@Porscha if you're town, which judging by your interactions with me you are, I should apologize to you. I shouldn't have brought such negativity into the thread, and I made that post while I was sleepy (probably not a good idea lol) I was frustrated with the game in general, and being slightly more frustrated by our past convo, I made the poor choice of taking part of it out on you to an unfair degree.
I think Marmot jokes around a lot as both town and scum, so I don't know if that is a good way to read him. I felt good about town!Marmot D1, but then today he hasn't looked good, so I'm starting to wonder if most of my initial good feelings about him were more because he was on my side re: you reacting to my initial pressure, rather than because of his play. Someone made a good point though that today is a pretty bad day for scum to sit out and Marmot hasn't really done anything or tried to push in any direction, which again supports town!Marmot.
I would argue that today is a bad day for anybody to sit out and that slanking might almost be better for wolves
I mean, it is true that slanking is pretty bad, but clearly with the number of people doing it, at least some townies are. Slanking wolves would make sense if they felt okay about the gamestate coming in to today and with how things have developed, which would suggest we're on the wrong track, but idk if I'm ready to go down that rabbit hole yet. Also possible that Cobalt is a wolf and their partner is demoralized by being alone due to a nearly no-show.
I'd die laughing if wolves were cobalt and creature

We're in here, throwing suspicion around and begging for more townies to show up and actually participate, and Creature is just sitting in scum chat like "fu**, fu**, where are you Cobalt!? Fu**!" and they just sweep us.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:31 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:17 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:52 pm Also I think Seanzie is solidly town.

If he isn't then I blame this game.
I still fear seanzie tbh I just think he's a good player and a lot of times I can peg him as solid town but rn I don't really know if i can and it's making me nervous
If he were wolf he would've drive the thread more (maybe more interactions) and do not much else

He didnt have to do those ISO posts and I feel like maifa Seanzie only does what he thinks is necessary

For the record, I don't always play path-of-least resistance wolf. If I did that all the time, I'd become polarized. Sometimes I tryhard, so me doing ISOs or being helpful really shouldn't be enough to warrant a lock!town read on me.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:34 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:47 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:19 pm So this is a pretty bad situation by the looks of it. We only have 4 people voting and 10 hours left for a double elimination.
Agreed.

@RondoDimBuckle @MartinGG99 @Porscha @Creature @DaughterOfOmega @Marmot @Cobalt

Please get in here and vote, or at least explain why you're not voting.

Why tf do I have to @ so many people for this?
I figured I could actually just pop-in around EoD and place a vote, and maybe make the wolves nervous in the mean-time that way by removing myself from the equation (so that the elimination would be less decided). That way, there would be more incentive for posts regardless of alignment.

Though considering there have been a fair amount of posts since then I guess I might share that I am tempted to join the Marmot wagon. I don't track how much he jokes as town or mafia, but I do recall a game where he posted a funny picture of a wolf chasing a marmot in reaction to a question @ him, while he was mafia. Makes me wonder if he's more inclined to joke as mafia, as twice now I've asked him about things and his response was "it was a joke" and I suspect p#418 was spun to look silly and/or joke-y as well. Only thing that mildly bothers me about it is that I never really did count and also marmot hasn't voted nor really posted yet, in a day-phase where there would be arguably even more incentive for mafia to vote and post.

So I'll probably do the Falcon wagon. I don't quite trust Flanders being on it, but I do think resolving one of Falcon/Flanders is a good idea given that they both know each other probably more than they know anybody else here (iirc). Also something something wolfy reasoning from Martin.

@Porscha if you're town, which judging by your interactions with me you are, I should apologize to you. I shouldn't have brought such negativity into the thread, and I made that post while I was sleepy (probably not a good idea lol) I was frustrated with the game in general, and being slightly more frustrated by our past convo, I made the poor choice of taking part of it out on you to an unfair degree.
I think Marmot jokes around a lot as both town and scum, so I don't know if that is a good way to read him. I felt good about town!Marmot D1, but then today he hasn't looked good, so I'm starting to wonder if most of my initial good feelings about him were more because he was on my side re: you reacting to my initial pressure, rather than because of his play. Someone made a good point though that today is a pretty bad day for scum to sit out and Marmot hasn't really done anything or tried to push in any direction, which again supports town!Marmot.
I would argue that today is a bad day for anybody to sit out and that slanking might almost be better for wolves

I mean, it is true that slanking is pretty bad, but clearly with the number of people doing it, at least some townies are. Slanking wolves would make sense if they felt okay about the gamestate coming in to today and with how things have developed, which would suggest we're on the wrong track, but idk if I'm ready to go down that rabbit hole yet. Also possible that Cobalt is a wolf and their partner is demoralized by being alone due to a nearly no-show.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:47 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:19 pm So this is a pretty bad situation by the looks of it. We only have 4 people voting and 10 hours left for a double elimination.
Agreed.

@RondoDimBuckle @MartinGG99 @Porscha @Creature @DaughterOfOmega @Marmot @Cobalt

Please get in here and vote, or at least explain why you're not voting.

Why tf do I have to @ so many people for this?
please save mentions for things of relevance I work for a living and im very tired

Sorry, kinda thought having only 5 votes a few hours before EoD on a double-elim was pretty relevant. Either way, thanks for casting a vote. If you have the time and energy, I'd love to hear why Flanders and if you have thoughts on any of the other current wagons (or anyone else for that matter).

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:47 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:19 pm So this is a pretty bad situation by the looks of it. We only have 4 people voting and 10 hours left for a double elimination.
Agreed.

@RondoDimBuckle @MartinGG99 @Porscha @Creature @DaughterOfOmega @Marmot @Cobalt

Please get in here and vote, or at least explain why you're not voting.

Why tf do I have to @ so many people for this?
I figured I could actually just pop-in around EoD and place a vote, and maybe make the wolves nervous in the mean-time that way by removing myself from the equation (so that the elimination would be less decided). That way, there would be more incentive for posts regardless of alignment.

Though considering there have been a fair amount of posts since then I guess I might share that I am tempted to join the Marmot wagon. I don't track how much he jokes as town or mafia, but I do recall a game where he posted a funny picture of a wolf chasing a marmot in reaction to a question @ him, while he was mafia. Makes me wonder if he's more inclined to joke as mafia, as twice now I've asked him about things and his response was "it was a joke" and I suspect p#418 was spun to look silly and/or joke-y as well. Only thing that mildly bothers me about it is that I never really did count and also marmot hasn't voted nor really posted yet, in a day-phase where there would be arguably even more incentive for mafia to vote and post.

So I'll probably do the Falcon wagon. I don't quite trust Flanders being on it, but I do think resolving one of Falcon/Flanders is a good idea given that they both know each other probably more than they know anybody else here (iirc). Also something something wolfy reasoning from Martin.

@Porscha if you're town, which judging by your interactions with me you are, I should apologize to you. I shouldn't have brought such negativity into the thread, and I made that post while I was sleepy (probably not a good idea lol) I was frustrated with the game in general, and being slightly more frustrated by our past convo, I made the poor choice of taking part of it out on you to an unfair degree.

I think Marmot jokes around a lot as both town and scum, so I don't know if that is a good way to read him. I felt good about town!Marmot D1, but then today he hasn't looked good, so I'm starting to wonder if most of my initial good feelings about him were more because he was on my side re: you reacting to my initial pressure, rather than because of his play. Someone made a good point though that today is a pretty bad day for scum to sit out and Marmot hasn't really done anything or tried to push in any direction, which again supports town!Marmot.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:19 pm So this is a pretty bad situation by the looks of it. We only have 4 people voting and 10 hours left for a double elimination.

Agreed.

@RondoDimBuckle @MartinGG99 @Porscha @Creature @DaughterOfOmega @Marmot @Cobalt

Please get in here and vote, or at least explain why you're not voting.

Why tf do I have to @ so many people for this?

yay double-posts.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:58 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:18 am I am A-OK voting for Sexy, Porscha, or Marmot this RD.

@Cobalt Where are you?
I'd like you explain your wolf read on me. Makes me feel like you're using your position as the only player with actual meta knowledge on me to push a mis-lynch.
I don't think you're bold enough as wolf to do this, but you're a reckless 3p, and I'm seeing that.

So explain my wolf meta and how my play so far, EOD in particular, meshes with that.
Because it doesn't doesn't, and you know it.
I am reckless, regardless of alignment.

Seatbelts off kids, and make sure ya stick your head out the window. We're in bat country

I kinda think Flanders/Falcon might just have each other pegged here. Like I almost thought their exchange felt performative, but the more I look at it, idk if I'd call it teamed, but maybe it is still performative in the sense that they're both pretending to be town, and a wolf!Flanders and 3p!Falcon have each other's numbers.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:58 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:18 am I am A-OK voting for Sexy, Porscha, or Marmot this RD.

@Cobalt Where are you?
I'd like you explain your wolf read on me. Makes me feel like you're using your position as the only player with actual meta knowledge on me to push a mis-lynch.
I don't think you're bold enough as wolf to do this, but you're a reckless 3p, and I'm seeing that.

So explain my wolf meta and how my play so far, EOD in particular, meshes with that.
Because it doesn't doesn't, and you know it.
I am reckless, regardless of alignment.

Seatbelts off kids, and make sure ya stick your head out the window. We're in bat country

I kinda think Flanders/Falcon might just have each other pegged here. Like I almost thought their exchange felt performative, but the more I look at it, idk if I'd call it teamed, but maybe it is still performative in the sense that they're both pretending to be town, and a wolf!Flanders and 3p!Falcon have each other's numbers.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:53 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:44 am Okay, I read through Flander's ISO. They definitely seem to focus on certain things in ways I don't like, e.g. Rondo's early reads list, and DoOm's post being a slip (I really don't see someone accidentally posting on the forum when they were meaning to post in the discord, so this seems like a pretty big stretch). Also, their push on Rondo isn't great; Rondo is all over their ISO, but yesterday when push came to shove, they didn't seem to want to actually commit to a scumread of Rondo. Their takes on Rondo have been: "All signs point to town, but bad feelz", to "I'm voting Rondo to try something" to "rondo is mafia, but after I'm questioned about it, this is just a reaction bait". I don't get what he is trying, and it feels more like he just doesn't really know where to push organically.
Your wolf chats are on discord?

Things I didn't know.

So, what was omega doing with that post of hers, in your opinion?

Have you not wolfed or read any wolfchats on TS?

If it were anyone else, I'd say her post looks like a RT, but IME DoOm operates on her own wavelength, so honestly idk. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just at truly honest thought that she felt like she wasn't getting heat, but if she talked about her reads she'd get heat (granted, the post got her heat, so uhh.. mission not accompished, but still).

Okay, I read through Porscha. Porscha's D1 was not very good IMO. Rondo listed out what he thought was her reads and it had a lot of wolf-leans, and honestly I kinda agreed with most of Rondo's assessment based on Porscha's pushes (not saying she specifically said they were wolf-leans, but the way she interacted with them suggested she was suspecting them), but Porscha said pretty much all of those were null, and had only Martin as suspicious when she corrected Rondo. So, I kinda feel like she did a lot more throwing shade than actual solving.

However, today she has been one of the only people that I feel is actually trying to push the game forward. Still a little more mudslingy than I remember her in the past, but honestly, I don't really see why wolf!Porscha would be pushing the thread forward when we're kinda in a bad gamestate leading up to a very important double-elim. So, I'mma say that look pretty good for her. Plus, I heard through the grapevine that I am required by the rules to townread her by EoD2, so that kinda locks my hand.

Okay, I read through Flander's ISO. They definitely seem to focus on certain things in ways I don't like, e.g. Rondo's early reads list, and DoOm's post being a slip (I really don't see someone accidentally posting on the forum when they were meaning to post in the discord, so this seems like a pretty big stretch). Also, their push on Rondo isn't great; Rondo is all over their ISO, but yesterday when push came to shove, they didn't seem to want to actually commit to a scumread of Rondo. Their takes on Rondo have been: "All signs point to town, but bad feelz", to "I'm voting Rondo to try something" to "rondo is mafia, but after I'm questioned about it, this is just a reaction bait". I don't get what he is trying, and it feels more like he just doesn't really know where to push organically.

I feel like I need to read Flander's ISO. I don't have strong thoughts there either way, but a lot of people seem to be suspecting them.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:18 am I am A-OK voting for Sexy, Porscha, or Marmot this RD.

@Cobalt Where are you?

ninja'd

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:17 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:10 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:27 am falcon and flanders are out for canada day and the rest of the weekend. rondo is baby for the weekend. creature and doom are low posting. gonna be a rough weekend for town I guess
[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Sounds like Porscha is TRing a lot of players she shouldn't be.

Me, for instance
So you agree with my vote on you?
I don't agree that I am scum, but I agree that it's normal to suspect I might be

Hmm... okay. We have a double-elim today. Aside from Porscha, who would you elim if you had total control over both kills?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:10 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:27 am falcon and flanders are out for canada day and the rest of the weekend. rondo is baby for the weekend. creature and doom are low posting. gonna be a rough weekend for town I guess
[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Sounds like Porscha is TRing a lot of players she shouldn't be.

Me, for instance

So you agree with my vote on you?

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Well that was a pleasure to read:/

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