The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:53 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:52 pm "MacDougall ignored her and walked away"

lolwot

"
MacDougall walked outside, and peered up at the sky. A couple stars winked back through the slighly overcast canopy of clouds.

"Which vehicle's yours?" asked the valet person. "Hi, I'm Esooa, I'm new here, but I hear the food's good."

MacDougall ignored her and walked away. "

"MacDougall ignored her and walked away"

oh the games over

I'm going to put effort in this game to town case gnome to fuck over Mac

later

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:08 pm @Esooa I’m completely certain that if Mac is mafia he intends to weaponize you. Don’t let him. Make him kill you.

sounds good to me

my strongest reasons for town reading allcrab atm is that his ISO pre-day 5 from my skim was very weak/meager and this picked up as he was heading into being the last mafia alive--day 5 with made being a runaway wagon. I don't think this comes from what would otherwise be an at-the-time dejected/uninterested wolf

hey yo tony where'd you get that fresh pepperoni


[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:28 pm My only problem with trying Alison first is if that's wrong and we have sit through another day of just sitting on mac all day and seeing what happens I will actually just eat my own hands out of boredom.

that's literally the same thing with Mac

the night before that he did tell guillo Mac was town. His read was not the same last night though. I don't know how it is reflected in thread

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:27 pm Really though Tony is the poisoner until he claims. He's probably the poisoner after he claims.

what if we just kill him for not claiming. That would be fun

nanook told me over night that allcrab and Mac would be a decent Poe for today.

I like how I'm just here to be the bitch who tells everyone no we can't just yeet Mac, as soon as he accepts death I will bring him back to life and make sure he suffers through all 48 hours

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:19 pm I mean if Mac is mafia he can still legitimately tinfoil Alison or anyone as poisoner.

yes. I don't think those posts in themselves are town indicative but, shrug

I still like his response to me/Alison and dislike a lot of alisons posts recently

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:35 pm Alison being 3p and having a godread on Martin can easily just be her actually realising he was mafia d1 and pocketing mafia intentionally to avoid nk also. That is entirely within her range.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:25 pm Mafia prospects: Mac, Martin, Alison, Allcrab

Poisoner prospects: Tony, Mac, Martin

Someone yell at me if I am missing a player. It's hard to keep the two sides straight. I'll try to order them...

Maf - Mac = Alison > Martin > Allcrab

Poison - Mac > Tony > Martin

Humour Alison as a poisoner prospect. You will thank me.

These posts were both early in Day 6.

ah, I misremembered and thought he was saying Alison/Martin were wolf/poisoner originally

I guess it's a weird thought. I don't think it's not possible to be real though

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:11 pm My trouble with Mac is that he has felt the need to dig into the absolute bottom of the conspiracy barrel for cases in a situation where that does not seem necessary (not even for someone getting POEd). Sloonei mafia? Alison self-targeting poisoner? Are these real thoughts?

To muse over possibilities is fine, but he actually pushed these to some degree.

these are basically after a point in the day he was set for dying based on treatment of him. I don't see this as necessarily wolfy. I think that Mac opened the day completely not in this direction is a good look for him and that he started this once his death was expected so he wants to cover what he can before dying is unimportant/possibly towny

there's also been comments today from Alison I REALLY didn't like BTW

such as her saying Mac is trying to expand the PoE which is wolfy

at this time Mac actually had 2 people he wanted to kill... one mafia one poisoner

I actually called him out for not talking about people outside those two soon before Alison somehow said he's expanding the PoE

I think Macs response to both my and Allison's comments here was good. He said "maybe I am expanding the PoE but I don't care" -- I'd expect Mac here to get more combative with Alison but it kinda felt to me like he recognized what I was saying about having a closed focus and looked outside those two and thusly accepted Allison's criticism/his place in the PoE

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:56 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:53 pm what if we said fuck it and all voted Alison right now

What would you say is the best reason to do so?

I haven’t voted yet so I am open.

spice

actually though idk. I think slooneis points about Mac not having been solving well today are kinda bad and exist as a cause of the focus on Mac. For example Alisons answer to your question of who is mafia if not Mac was just really flat and in general I haven't seen her do anything this day phase. She still can be mafia imo though I'm not sure who of her/Mac are more likely but yeah

I think this day phase I haven't seen a lot I've liked from mac (the stuff about not town reading who ever for asking to be shot seems kinda facetious at best and mostly like he's pushing it to try and get a town read rather then believing it) but I'm not like sold on him

and while Alison has done... nothing? I cared about since subbing in considering such I just feel like voting her right now

I'll get more from her ISO later once I'm home I suppose

what if we said fuck it and all voted Alison right now

Mac dongul dead lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:20 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:17 pm gnome has been described as "the most polarized player I know" by hally

hally having known gnome for years

this is gnomes town game

What does mafia Gnome look like, d’ya think?

in a word, uncomfortable

gnome has been described as "the most polarized player I know" by hally

hally having known gnome for years

this is gnomes town game

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:18 pm Mac has been exclusively trying to widen the POE at all costs today and is thus scummy

huh

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:19 pm The fact that I am not poisoned speaks well for Allcrab. Being investigative doesn't preclude being mafia.

Why would mafia have a watcher?

because then people make posts like this. Which is why mech sux

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:24 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:03 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:00 pm Mac why are your posts today scummy

How are they? I am just stating the situation. I am also laying in bed phone posting so I am probably not as articulate as usual.

your read on Alison/Martin not being explained save trying to explain how it's possible, not likely (we're disrespecting Martin cause he could apparently wolf like this, no reasons as to why he is a wolf, etc) and having no thoughts on sloonei/jjj/lost monkey/allcrab. Seems you're more interested in putting someone below you in the PoE than anything else

Martin can be wolf i don't need to invent any reason for it. He's just the only candidate that's really left fmpov.

Jay and Sloonei are confirmed town imo. Allcrab is confirmed to be his role and so is LoMo imo.

I will worry about other worlds if need be. I think between Martin and Alison it makes more sense for Martin to be wolf and Alison to be poisoner.

why does role confirmed mean it's good?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:03 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:00 pm Mac why are your posts today scummy

How are they? I am just stating the situation. I am also laying in bed phone posting so I am probably not as articulate as usual.

your read on Alison/Martin not being explained save trying to explain how it's possible, not likely (we're disrespecting Martin cause he could apparently wolf like this, no reasons as to why he is a wolf, etc) and having no thoughts on sloonei/jjj/lost monkey/allcrab. Seems you're more interested in putting someone below you in the PoE than anything else

Mac why are your posts today scummy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:19 pm I am a muse. I target someone every night and it guarantees they get to use their ability (roleblock prevention).

N1 Idled.
N2 I targeted Tangrowth.
N3 Idled.
N4 I targeted Jay.
N5 I intentionally holstered.

Why does this "sound bad"?

Why idle?

I forgot to use my role twice.

I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.

just based on the premise "one of alison/Mac is a mafia who bussed hard," Alison is the much more likely mafia

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:25 pm Mafia prospects: Mac, Martin, Alison, Allcrab

Poisoner prospects: Tony, Mac, Martin

Someone yell at me if I am missing a player. It's hard to keep the two sides straight. I'll try to order them...

Maf - Mac = Alison > Martin > Allcrab

Poison - Mac > Tony > Martin

big doubt on Martin being mafia

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:16 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:13 pm I think all crabs posts yesterday were okay. There's a chance Martin is the poisoner/mafia has knowledge indicating he is which would be why made pushed him like that (and would mean allcrab is much more likely mafia) but yeah

Do you have a reason for tunneling me besides one post?

do you have a reason to have not read my post before replying to it

I think all crabs posts yesterday were okay. There's a chance Martin is the poisoner/mafia has knowledge indicating he is which would be why made pushed him like that (and would mean allcrab is much more likely mafia) but yeah

tbh by enemy I just mean you say I tunnel you and shit always

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:49 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:04 am Mac I already know what you're saying and I did after like 2 hours. See I am not your enemy I stick up for you when you need it

When have I ever implied you were my enemy?

I see you as my enemy tbh

Mac I already know what you're saying and I did after like 2 hours. See I am not your enemy I stick up for you when you need it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:04 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:58 am did JJJ kill mafia or protect them for the most part?

Nobody answered you so I will.

I shrugged at nutella and ended up okay with her being chopped. I voted for the Made counterwagon because I was also okay with him being chopped. I would have been okay with the Owner wagon going over too. That set of three wagons was agreeable to me by the time the day ended.

I was a vocal contributor to and perhaps a leader within the thread motion against Owner and Sonnycrush leading to both of their deaths. Also Owner used her mafia role on Gavial and I in an effort to kill one of or both of us.

ok

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:48 am Eh I guess I see what you mean, they were watching for the poisoner and not the mafia carrying the nightkill

not only that but

1: the read he gives, he does not care to pursue. This is the read he cares most about. He does nothing with it

2: It's his only read

3: uhhhh it sound scummy

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:47 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:42 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:14 pm Nobody targeted mac last night.

Figured poisoner MO was to go after people on the fringe of the PoE which was kinda right they were a bit more direct than I expected and I guessed wrong, sorry.

And yeah I am trying to get poisoner identity over wolves cuz that's gonna be WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY harder to get if we gotta do it the old fashioned way.

I wanna vote martin today but out of respect for Alison's read I'll try made first.

@Alison this is a mafia post. What do you think

I don't see it. I think Made has very very high scum equity at this point so consciously abandoning a Martin push and going on Made is a good look, since I think Martin is town.

why do you think Made is mafia

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:42 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:35 am N1 Mac
N2 Sloonei
N3 Holster
N4 Jay

I think scumreading me for townreading Sonny and nutella is ridiculous since that very day I buried nutella and then pushed incredibly hard for the Sonny slot to be shot a few days later. I have in fact buried every single one of the mafia members that have died. I think my Dana read was pretty well justified for an early read and it was correct so just because you can't get there on her being town based on 4 posts doesn't mean I have the same limitation.

Why did you holster?

Because I overslept the deadline.

I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.

lost monkey is town tbh

Allcrab wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:14 pm Nobody targeted mac last night.

Figured poisoner MO was to go after people on the fringe of the PoE which was kinda right they were a bit more direct than I expected and I guessed wrong, sorry.

And yeah I am trying to get poisoner identity over wolves cuz that's gonna be WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY harder to get if we gotta do it the old fashioned way.

I wanna vote martin today but out of respect for Alison's read I'll try made first.

@Alison this is a mafia post. What do you think

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:37 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:36 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:35 am N1 Mac
N2 Sloonei
N3 Holster
N4 Jay

I think scumreading me for townreading Sonny and nutella is ridiculous since that very day I buried nutella and then pushed incredibly hard for the Sonny slot to be shot a few days later. I have in fact buried every single one of the mafia members that have died. I think my Dana read was pretty well justified for an early read and it was correct so just because you can't get there on her being town based on 4 posts doesn't mean I have the same limitation.

tbh I don't care about anyone bussing or voting any mafia at all and also I'm not gonna read more so dab.

Okay good luck getting the thread to exe me then.

it wouldn't be that hard lol

made/allcrab can die. Alison after. Maybe I'll change my mind by the time we get to you. Maybe not. Those are my current opinions

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:35 am N1 Mac
N2 Sloonei
N3 Holster
N4 Jay

I think scumreading me for townreading Sonny and nutella is ridiculous since that very day I buried nutella and then pushed incredibly hard for the Sonny slot to be shot a few days later. I have in fact buried every single one of the mafia members that have died. I think my Dana read was pretty well justified for an early read and it was correct so just because you can't get there on her being town based on 4 posts doesn't mean I have the same limitation.

tbh I don't care about anyone bussing or voting any mafia at all and also I'm not gonna read more so dab.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:04 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:59 am [VOTE: lost monkey] aubergine

you seem to be in neutral commentary mode, let's see some reads

You scum lean, jay town lean. Sonny might be town. Null on the rest unless something catches my eye. You might ask why i haven't voted you, need to see more, the read is not concrete.

good post

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:53 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:29 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:16 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:14 am It was years ago, but some people know of it. I just assumed I must have told you about it or brought it up in another game.

Nope. On the rare occasion I encounter that (that is, Glorfindel) I prefer to respect a player's wishes anyway.

How about this instead: any initial impressions?

Tangy is talkative. That's normal for her from what I remember.

Nutella's first post pinged me a little...not sure if I have really heard upgaymers? in a sentence before..it could be nai, it's just a bit out there for me which...on this first date I expect there is more not less of it to come (almost spelled that wrong) I think I need to get out more

Mac could be town if I remember his meta right. If memory serves, he's like more gunho as town...idk, I think that's right

You (JJJ) could be anything..light town for now

I need to read more posts though from the others.

I need to see more of Sonny's posts.

My vote on Sloonei is an old PerC tell where when scum don't know what to say on day 1 they make a questionnaire. I think the context of it was how it was determined whether it was scummy or nai, but it has been awhile.

proof that mac is town

also, what's upgaymers?

and by the way, me saying this is proof Mac is town isn't a joke. Owner here is a scum who will keep partners at an arms length. This is shown alreadfy by his read on Nutella. He says the post pinged him but the reason given is ridiculous. It's a TMI read of "this post is scummy because this person is mafia"

With Mac however, Owner town reads him.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:09 am I see no way calling Dana obvious town after she posted 4 times isn't a pocket. It simply isn't possible sorry

and when I collect these reads JUST day 1 from Alison we have:

Town reading mafia

Town reading mafia

Pocketing towny

I believe all of these to not just be coincidences but actively scummy because her town reads on these players weren't warranted

I see no way calling Dana obvious town after she posted 4 times isn't a pocket. It simply isn't possible sorry

I don't think any of Alisons reads day 1 make sense. I also don't think they are reads she would have. I also think her reads are scum indicative outside of the validity of them

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:30 am I think Sonny is town.

At this point in the thread Sonny really hadn't done anything. He's kinda just asking questions. This makes no sense

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:23 am Let's see.

nutella... (is) widely townread for being textbook townie.

This isn't really true and while Nutella was fine she was not really doing anything towny. Nutella is also mafia. Like Sonny

Alison wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:50 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:48 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:04 pm can I ask what a scum agenda would look like in the first 30 min of a game? not saying you're wrong or anything but I feel like even if there were wolves around its might be so early to be able to tell anything

LAMIST is probably the most common scum agenda in the first 30 minutes of a game. Sometimes a partner has a strong entrance and you try to force a clear on them.

Can you two tell me what you think of each other so far?

@Dana
@Alison

Obvious town.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:59 pm Very pure emotionally. No agenda. No bad reads. Good mix of inquisitiveness and relaxation.

The Dana read here doesn't make any sense either. The only agenda Alison has described a scum could have this early on is "being LAMIST and clearing partners" and such. Dana would doubtfully do that. The emotional thing is pretty meaningless. The no bad reads thing makes no sense because Alison herself says Dana only has like 2 reads later on.



I don't believe anything Alison is saying. At all

Allcrab wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:14 pm Nobody targeted mac last night.

Figured poisoner MO was to go after people on the fringe of the PoE which was kinda right they were a bit more direct than I expected and I guessed wrong, sorry.

And yeah I am trying to get poisoner identity over wolves cuz that's gonna be WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY harder to get if we gotta do it the old fashioned way.

I wanna vote martin today but out of respect for Alison's read I'll try made first.

oh I meant allcrab not lostmonkey I forgot who I was thinking about

But yeah this post is death-worthy if you ask me [VOTE: allcrab] aubergine

@MacDougall look at this post. What do you think