The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:56 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:54 pm updated reads

alexa - Town who needs to chill out and maybe step away

ender - still firmly poe

esooa - Town or this is her best wolf game yet

ilario - i wanna say town but maybe im underestimating a bit... need more info. Significantly more likely town if Nanook wolf and vice versa.

lime coke - extremely scummy

nanook - feels a little more town than usual. He has a bit of a frustrated and authoritative tone which I feel is towny for him in this gamestate.

tsp - who knows

wiml - still think he's wolf
and what particularly made you change your read on me
not telling

that makes me sad

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:55 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:53 pm like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on
why are you obsessing so much over this?

LC can read me how he wants. he's right now but he could be wrong in the future. none of that matters atm

because he does it every single game and it makes thread health worse every single game. I'm telling him to stop

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:54 pm updated reads

alexa - Town who needs to chill out and maybe step away

ender - still firmly poe

esooa - Town or this is her best wolf game yet

ilario - i wanna say town but maybe im underestimating a bit... need more info. Significantly more likely town if Nanook wolf and vice versa.

lime coke - extremely scummy

nanook - feels a little more town than usual. He has a bit of a frustrated and authoritative tone which I feel is towny for him in this gamestate.

tsp - who knows

wiml - still think he's wolf

and what particularly made you change your read on me

like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:50 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:44 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:40 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:38 pm LC I'm just going to say you lock clearing Alexa when you've not even played with her as a wolf or particularly seen her wolf game, then basing your entire games view on it, and being super pushy with it, is unhealthy for the game even if correct

to a pretty decent degree imo
maybe he just recognizes that i'm an obvious villager and people are fosing me for bad reasons?

like alison was defending me too
I don't really even care if he's right. It's annoying
I'm sorry, I'm pushing my townread because it's the thing I'm the most confident about. Again, if it gets on your nerves I'm sorry, but this is like, something that you can trust me on.

Like there's not that many I have that good of a grip on in terms of reading them.

This is likely the most I'll be helpful with the town. Literally trying to force a townread on people on a player that's going to be super active and work her ass off to try to solve the game that I feel is correct.

Even if I push other reads that are wrong, at least THAT read is going to be right. I call them god reads for a reason.

okay, well your read is based on a psuedo trust tell that Alexa wouldn't "manipulate" you were she a wolf or whatever and that's

1: ridiculous and really bad to push on other people
2: not even a fully accurate read

fwiw because I'm saying a lot of different things

wiml is still my strongest wolf read but I find use in considering things outside that regardless

I agree that wiml post is wolfy

I don't think what Mac is doing is useful either lol

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:40 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:38 pm LC I'm just going to say you lock clearing Alexa when you've not even played with her as a wolf or particularly seen her wolf game, then basing your entire games view on it, and being super pushy with it, is unhealthy for the game even if correct

to a pretty decent degree imo
maybe he just recognizes that i'm an obvious villager and people are fosing me for bad reasons?

like alison was defending me too

I don't really even care if he's right. It's annoying

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:38 pm Look at me the outed wolf getting pushed by the entire game whose trying to solve deepwolves.

I must be in antispew I guess.

one of my bigger concerns with you this game is that I would have expected more, idk, just reads and movement from you

I mentioned day 1 that at the time a lot of your "townyness" was isolated (you made towny posts but your reads were pretty much non existent or nai I suppose)

today you wanted to die SoD

yesterday you said a lot of stuff and then left the thread saying something to the degree of "I don't actually have any real reads except (two random reads I forgot)"

so what's up with that? You got a town rand; how do you feel about it etc, do you think it's justified I'd expect more actual reads from you day 1 and how come that didn't happen

another thing to mention here is I felt the "will reveal three hours before EoD" to be another way of.. trying to be towny without actually giving reads. What was that about

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:37 pm Wiml/Mac could both be wolves tbh.

they could be

LC I'm just going to say you lock clearing Alexa when you've not even played with her as a wolf or particularly seen her wolf game, then basing your entire games view on it, and being super pushy with it, is unhealthy for the game even if correct

to a pretty decent degree imo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:32 pm What happened was that I thought Transcend got towny at eod but he was about to die like a lame duck when I thought there was a chance he can live. I voted Wiml. Nobody went there. So I went back to Transcend because Alison's voice echoed in my ear that cfds suck ass and I agree with the idea that we needed Transcend to flip because him still being here d2 would have been a clusterfuck except for if we exactly hit a wolf over him which was very unlikely.

But sure go off and tell me how I'm a wolf for literally everything I do. Everyone else is.

fwiw I had the same thought. I was considering voting transcend myself if wiml became top wagon. I don't know if I would have but I considered it because if we hit not-transcend and they were town this day phase would be very bad

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:28 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:27 pm lmao at you calling me good when you've never even seen me
I've played with you several times.

But more to the point you called yourself good you nerd.
i called myself a good wolf

i would never call myself a good villager? i'm been fucking shit lately

I think you're a good villager

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:25 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:21 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:20 pm fwiw if I were to say the wolfiest thing about Alexa it's that she changed her transcend read to town only once it was late enough she can claim credit for changing it without it actually doing much of anything

especially considering imo her reasons for town reading him were much worse than previously given reasons that weren't agreed on
to me the wolfiest thing about her has been her dropping her "I've never read wiml wrong ever" level townread on day 1 to sheep you even though you are far from clear.
I'm lack Claire, bitch
maybe

let me indulge in the self meta and say my day 1 was too focused on improving towns view of the game state rather than either not doing it or getting in the way of it to be a wolf

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:24 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:22 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:20 pm fwiw if I were to say the wolfiest thing about Alexa it's that she changed her transcend read to town only once it was late enough she can claim credit for changing it without it actually doing much of anything

especially considering imo her reasons for town reading him were much worse than previously given reasons that weren't agreed on
what's my wolf motivation to do this?

i think you're aware i'm a very good wolf and considering the amount of times i've been called having "TMI" as village for getting reads correct i know very well when i'm wolf that doing stuff like this does not benefit me

this is the only kind of post that makes me doubt my read on you just because like.. you've seen me village enough to know that being right on my reads is important to me

but like yeah i know you're not as good at reading me as hally so it's still probably village-indicative
suddenly lime coke having a locktown read on you looks a thousand times worse

not really. LC pretty much shields Alexa every game, sometimes for really really bad reasons. He just does

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:22 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:19 pm You have been exceedingly scummy today. What's that about?
do you really think he can be a wolf though? What do you think of him all caps @ing transcend to self pres? I'd be surprised if he were to fake that much care as a wolf

I could be wrong though
I dunno I wanna see what happens if I vote him anyway and I wasn't feeling comfortable with wiml at l-2.

this is ofc from one game, but a way I caught him before is he showed up to an EoD and only cared about reads on him, not the wagons, also he had very few reads that game. I intend to reread people when I get home and I can give more though but tbh I also remembered how much people spammed day 1 and I'm not sure how much I'll be able to do

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:22 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:20 pm fwiw if I were to say the wolfiest thing about Alexa it's that she changed her transcend read to town only once it was late enough she can claim credit for changing it without it actually doing much of anything

especially considering imo her reasons for town reading him were much worse than previously given reasons that weren't agreed on
what's my wolf motivation to do this?

i think you're aware i'm a very good wolf and considering the amount of times i've been called having "TMI" as village for getting reads correct i know very well when i'm wolf that doing stuff like this does not benefit me

this is the only kind of post that makes me doubt my read on you just because like.. you've seen me village enough to know that being right on my reads is important to me

but like yeah i know you're not as good at reading me as hally so it's still probably village-indicative

I honestly have zero interest in any self meta you give

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:22 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:59 pm Wiml i'm a bit baffled by how easily you've come to me being town this game ngl
And making posts like this when he is at l-2 feels like she is preparing to contribute to his mischop.

Her progression feels very wrong and sus.

that post is indeed why I asked you if they could be partners, lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:21 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:20 pm fwiw if I were to say the wolfiest thing about Alexa it's that she changed her transcend read to town only once it was late enough she can claim credit for changing it without it actually doing much of anything

especially considering imo her reasons for town reading him were much worse than previously given reasons that weren't agreed on
to me the wolfiest thing about her has been her dropping her "I've never read wiml wrong ever" level townread on day 1 to sheep you even though you are far from clear.

I'm lack Claire, bitch

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:19 pm You have been exceedingly scummy today. What's that about?

do you really think he can be a wolf though? What do you think of him all caps @ing transcend to self pres? I'd be surprised if he were to fake that much care as a wolf

I could be wrong though

fwiw if I were to say the wolfiest thing about Alexa it's that she changed her transcend read to town only once it was late enough she can claim credit for changing it without it actually doing much of anything

especially considering imo her reasons for town reading him were much worse than previously given reasons that weren't agreed on

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:15 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:49 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:44 pm Going in here are some disassociations I have.

Alexa - Esooa, Lime Coke, Wiml, Ilario
Ender - nobody?
Esooa - Alexa
ilario - Alexa, Nanook
Lime Coke - Alexa
Nanook - Wiml, Ilario
TSP - Nobody
Wiml - Nanook, Alexa
I'm an idiot, what is this pointing out?
Players that are not teamed from my perspective
I'm mean I'm pretty sure you can add Wiml to Esooa's list because she's literally been pushing him since Day 1.
Nah its in their teammate range. Especially given Esooa was a little bit hedgey about it d1 and Wiml was never at actual risk.

mac "esooa hasn't left her wolf range and probably never will" dougall

it's cool though

I'm not really having second thoughts on anything, I'm just talking about the game

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:12 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:10 pm mentioning things like that are part of why you could be a wolf

I don't believe the kill matters at all. Who exactly wolf read you that you would need to kill?
you

especially considering you lightly wolfread me but it wouldn't be incriminating because you didn't rly push it (and it'd lead ppl to wiml unless the world is exactly me/wiml w/w)

I mean I didn't even wolf read you day 1 I just said you could be a wolf once

maybe that is town indicative though but it's definitely not even close to clearing, especially when you would have a partner anyways

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:10 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:07 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:06 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:04 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:58 pm I'm still not actually sure wiml is a wolf anyways but hopefully it'll be more clear before EoD
I can just tell you why you're wrong tomorrow anyway.
do you think she's a wrong town then?

why do you think v!esooa would read you this poorly?

like the biggest reason i have to wolfread you is something off in that dynamic
Really? How is it off
..i've never seen you push him like this as v/v?

you've said yourself people can be wrong

you even said you apparently can read him better tbh lol

why does that mean there's "something off" inherently

you did the same thing with transcend and LC fwiw

mentioning things like that are part of why you could be a wolf

I don't believe the kill matters at all. Who exactly wolf read you that you would need to kill?

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:07 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:06 pm honestly I still think Alexa could be a wolf and btw I'm not interested in hearing any meta about her at all
why

just because

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:06 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:04 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:58 pm I'm still not actually sure wiml is a wolf anyways but hopefully it'll be more clear before EoD
I can just tell you why you're wrong tomorrow anyway.
do you think she's a wrong town then?

why do you think v!esooa would read you this poorly?

like the biggest reason i have to wolfread you is something off in that dynamic

Really? How is it off

honestly I still think Alexa could be a wolf and btw I'm not interested in hearing any meta about her at all

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:04 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:03 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:59 pm Wiml i'm a bit baffled by how easily you've come to me being town this game ngl
You're forgetting that it took me something like 12 hours of posts from you to actually get there. I thought you were GTH a wolf the first few hours into the game and only came round after catching up in the morning.
ok but after mindmelding with esooa about me possibly being a wolf in the beginning of the game you then proceeded to fos her for shading me?

those were separate situations. The thing he was mentioning was when I said you're not cleared and could still be a wolf and mentioned a few things, a bit past half way through the day

the players alive so I could look at it

@MacDougall why is Alexa not with wiml

I'm still not actually sure wiml is a wolf anyways but hopefully it'll be more clear before EoD

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:52 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI
I literally explained it lol
you're not the one id suspect of TMI

macdougalls vote is "I agree with esooa" for the most part and nanook never explains reads so

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

I literally explained it lol

well imo if the team is nanook/wiml right now is the perfect time to distance

so that they're doing it isn't unpartnered

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:46 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:39 pm Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?
Alexa
illario
LC
nanook
ender
wiml
tsp

ender had an interesting interaction with wiml. He says he could see my original elaboration on "wiml feels cautious around me" but didn't comment on my longer explanation. No one did but I noted it. There's also no reason wiml can't be with nanook. That's what I'm primarily looking at right now

I'm taking LC to be town and think you can agree with that

I don't really have any unassociatives but I can read later
Nanook has wiml as his primary target today though

it's only SoD. Is it really that important? Especially when you've said you're "always dying today"

I usually take a bit more to say people aren't partnered personally

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:39 pm Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

Alexa
illario
LC
nanook
ender
wiml
tsp

ender had an interesting interaction with wiml. He says he could see my original elaboration on "wiml feels cautious around me" but didn't comment on my longer explanation. No one did but I noted it. There's also no reason wiml can't be with nanook. That's what I'm primarily looking at right now

I'm taking LC to be town and think you can agree with that

I don't really have any unassociatives but I can read later

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:24 pm I still think the mafia is wiml/enderwiggin and my d1 poe was good tbh.
it'd be nice if you read what I said about him earlier and responded

I think you should understand it more than anyone so your opinion on it is whose is the most valuable to me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:24 pm I still think the mafia is wiml/enderwiggin and my d1 poe was good tbh.

it'd be nice if you read what I said about him earlier and responded

I think you should understand it more than anyone so your opinion on it is who's the most valuable to me

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31413

like when wiml responded to me town reading transcend

I immediately felt he was a wolf who know transcend was town

it also had to do with transcend being town

thing is, I outed a town read on transcend

wiml probably would be more inquisitive about this or care about my read

he responded with a shitty reason to wolf read transcend like he's trying to keep the transcend lynch on tracks

I explain more in depth, with the transcend progression on LC early game

wiml.. didn't seem that interested in the read. And says even after reading a game from transcend he still thinks transcend is a wolf

but around this time I also say wiml not agreeing with me is cause for concern

he later reads a second transcend game, and then flipped his read. It didn't sound believable at all and it was entirely like he's appeasing me

also, he was super self conscious about my unoutted read on him

I also didn't explain it yesterday because it's like, not as if wiml is obviously wolfy

and I'm not sure how much I think he is, though he is (was) my top wolf read

if I'm going to explain it right now it's pretty much he's "cautious around me"

no one's going to listen to that while transcend was alive yesterday

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:44 pm like when im wolf i kill the people who are village read who seem the most suspicious of my alignment

it's always +ev as wolf to do so because people outright ignore dead villager reads constantly

you said you would revaluate wiml if I died

everyone knows I'm not the top priority kill for wolves in this game even if town read

nanook sheep's dead towny reads often

Alison would

mac would consider it

ender would

everyone here knows me, pays attention to night kills, knows I know wiml the best out of everyone, and knows that I'm, again, not the priority kill, making killing me for reads is even more blatant

like, I dunno. Don't think my wiml wolf read is nearly ever catalyst for my death

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:41 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:38 pm look

if my two most controversial reads are that alison is cleared and transcend is town

then they both flip town

and then I'm told I'm the wolf

off nothing to do with my posts, and immediately relating to one nights worth of NKA

you're completely wrong

reading the game incorrectly

and will die
You being right on two townreads that flip on d1 doesn't make you town. Your belief in Transcend town obviously only extended as far as stating it for credit. You made no effort to create viable alternatives or really defend him at all during that EOD.

I am also reading this as you OR Nanook and you are just ignoring that I may be right about Nanook entirely in favour of histrionics.

Also TMI is a thing.

Also I know I am dying today. I have to die.

I did explain it and 5 people said to disregard it. Not my job to brute force people into making good reads if they're not gonna accept my explanation

it's kinda ridiculous to assume my wolf read on wiml I didn't bother to explain was such a threat that me living means he can't a wolf

like I'm probably too annoyed here but come on

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:39 pm i think you're obviously not a wolf esooa

I'm saying that about Mac

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:37 pm @Esooa why don't you think Wiml kills you here? we literally discussed how in Wiml's scum game he immediately killed you

tf are you talking about? He killed me night 2 instead of night 1 when he knew I was a PR day 1 because, literally, as said, he wanted to play with me

and I already

explained

why he doesn't!!!

look

if my two most controversial reads are that alison is cleared and transcend is town

then they both flip town

and then I'm told I'm the wolf

off nothing to do with my posts, and immediately relating to one nights worth of NKA

you're completely wrong

reading the game incorrectly

and will die

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