The Syndicate

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:58 am I think the Wiml stuff isn't too scummy, he drops it once it's explained. The worst part about it is just that he kinda jumps the gun on scum reading you for it. I'm overall kinda eh at the interactions though I can see what you mean

re what ender quoted

I think the Wiml stuff isn't too scummy, he drops it once it's explained. The worst part about it is just that he kinda jumps the gun on scum reading you for it. I'm overall kinda eh at the interactions though I can see what you mean

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:31 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:07 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:03 am Ngl those are some pretty nice points.

And makes me feel a lot better about my bad gut reaction to him nitpicking on my "Towntell" posts on him.
Does what I'm trying to say make sense?
yes

but i had to read it a couple times

that's why I didn't want to explain it all day 1 lol

give me a bit

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:10 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:07 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:03 am Ngl those are some pretty nice points.

And makes me feel a lot better about my bad gut reaction to him nitpicking on my "Towntell" posts on him.
Does what I'm trying to say make sense?
To me, yes.

Did you read his interactions with me where he accuses of me lying about the "Towntell"?

not really

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:03 am Ngl those are some pretty nice points.

And makes me feel a lot better about my bad gut reaction to him nitpicking on my "Towntell" posts on him.

Does what I'm trying to say make sense?

Wiml still has towny stuff and I'll need to re-read his SoD/his day 2 once he's up but those are my thoughts on him

anyways

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:55 pm Wimls making solvy sounding posts

but the solving isn't from a towny perspective

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:30 pm I don't actually think Transcend is an outed wolf BTW.

I do think that he flips today in almost every world now and I'm mostly just trying to solve him for vanity reasons but still.

I think this is a really weird thing to say right after he agreed with my Transcend read

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:15 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:14 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:12 pm alexa sorry for keeping bothering you lol is that game a good representation of Transcend's wolf range?
i'm pretty sure he was in anti-spew from the start because he was caught early so the entire day was basically antispew (so no, his best wolf games were on EM by a landslide)

but he's arguably been partially in anti-spew here if he's wolf because of how early we pushed on him soooooo i dunno
I think that wolf game is actually a fair bit worse than his ISO here tbh.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:20 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:16 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:15 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:14 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:12 pm alexa sorry for keeping bothering you lol is that game a good representation of Transcend's wolf range?
i'm pretty sure he was in anti-spew from the start because he was caught early so the entire day was basically antispew (so no, his best wolf games were on EM by a landslide)

but he's arguably been partially in anti-spew here if he's wolf because of how early we pushed on him soooooo i dunno
I think that wolf game is actually a fair bit worse than his ISO here tbh.
i agree from looking at it, tbqh, but most of his ISO there was him anti-spewing
I'm not far enough in to say for sure but do any of his reads actually have any sort of progression?

They all seem very anchored up until the point where I'm at, whereas in this game I don't think his hedginess on the LC read is inherently towny but he at least is putting effort into a read that he's already made instead of just ignoring or pushing it.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:46 pm I think Esooa's Transcend meta makes more sense now there's a wolf game to compare it to where he actually did something.

Probably enough here for me now to say Trans might actually be town?

Anyways I feel like this was all done because Wiml was worried about me lmao

I dunno maybe not, but the fact he read a second game and randomly agrees with what I said in that game but not from the other (when honestly I think they're comparable, or the one he read is even worse maybe)

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:35 am Basically the way Wiml pushed against me felt like he's more so trying to navigate around me correctly town reading a town who he knows he is incorrectly town wolf reading, much more so than him actually having belief in his read, and I think almost everything he posted around this time, is strongly indicative of that

Basically the way Wiml pushed against me felt like he's more so trying to navigate around me correctly town reading a town who he knows he is incorrectly town reading, much more so than him actually having belief in his read, and I think almost everything he posted around this time, is strongly indicative of that

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So this is kinda the stuff I'm talking about

He has more of it than I remembered in thread but I typically expect Wiml to ask me about stuff like he does above

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I actually asked Wiml his read on me here because I wanted him to commit to calling me town before I counter one of his reads to see how he responds once I do

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More questions here which is alright. I don't really agree with the conclusion though

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And this post pinged me a ton when I read it. Maybe cause I was looking to see if Wiml went along with me or not but it felt weird that he randomly calls something I did wolfy at this point

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I think this stuff is pretty obvious personally. Even if Wiml didn't get it at first I'm surprised that with what I said here he doesn't see it too

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 am wiml not agreeing with me is slightly cause for concern I feel like

Which is why I posted this

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Forgot why I quoted this lol

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Honestly this read isn't the kind of read people agree with much and it's something I realized only recently but I think it's extremely >>>>rand to follow up reads/ideas/etc with engagement fitting to your in-thread world view. I don't know how to explain. I still think this was a very valid read though. Just pointing out what was happening irt to Transcend here

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Wiml calls my meta bad but honestly this explanation feels like when I meta read people as a wolf

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This post is just weird. It feels so out of place. Like when I talk about Wiml trying to change my reads, this is what I mean. In the post I quoted before this Wiml tells me a pretty meh reason to wolf read Transcend based on meta. And Wiml is aware that I say him not agreeing with me isn't good. He feels super self conscious, and like this is here to sort of mitigate when I said I dislike him disagreeing with me

Like his disagreement feels artificial, and this feels like he's trying to cover that up. If that makes sense.

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Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:56 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:02 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:42 pm I actually don't have a single read yet.
eh bad post

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:05 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.
bad

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:06 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:38 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.
Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)
Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.
ok this is kinda towny

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:13 pm ok i'm caught up

idk who a good vote is

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm ilario
3
38%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, alexa, Lime Coke

meh?

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm brad why are you voting ilario

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:19 pm i think ilario/alexa might be tvt and someone on the scum team (ender, lime, nanook) is poking at them

couldn't tell u which

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:23 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:20 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol

i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
I've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.

She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.

There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
while this is probably valid have u ever been tricked by wolf!alexa?

i feel like her games would be v difficult to distinguish because she has extremely high wim as either align

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pm [VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:25 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm brad why are you voting ilario
Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.
dis post is yucky

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:28 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:20 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol

i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
I've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.

She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.

There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
this was a rlly quick transition it almost feels unnatural
like just read over this

it's not bad it's towny

there's only one post relating to his LC read that I disagree with the read

I think LC is town but most the points here are valid

the process of having mixed reads on LC leaning wolf after catch-up>saying he doesn't know who to vote>exploring the wagon on his town read (illario) and disliking LCs play around it into voting him is good>actually going back to find posts to pull what he doesn't like feels like conviction/belief in the read I like

So here I explain the Transcend read a lot more. I think this is pretty obviously towny. Like if you read this, you know I have good reasons to town read Transcend and you know I'm going to push that, if you're Wiml. So, Wiml, as a wolf, realizes here for sure, that he's going to be pushing hard against my read. (This didn't actually end up happening cause I was shot down constantly and just didn't want to shout over everyone, but this is Wiml's mindset)

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:02 pm[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:02 pm Honestly I'm fine with a Nook wagon as well.

He naked votes someone else and says this. This is Wiml looking for somewhere else to go because he knows I just blocked off his Transcend push

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This is where I hard hard wolf read Wiml. He says, "My issue was that there was no cohesive progression.," but I just outlined very cohesive progression that he SAW. Saying, "He was switching between saying that he thought LC was towntelling and then still tunneling him regardless?" also is just... not important. It just doesn't feel like he's actually reading what I'm saying and taking it in. "Poor handling of TMI" is also just... so typical for wolves talking about this stuff imo.

Like:

Wiml, as town, sees me post what I did about Transcend, and considers it, but I dunno, I feel like the quote above feels... Like I explained. He feels forced to move off Transcend, and is still here trying to like, fish a Transcend mislynch out of me but knows he can't push against me on it.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:09 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:05 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:02 pm Honestly I'm fine with a Nook wagon as well.
nothing to say about my explanation of transcends LC read fmpov?
Yes but it was long lol.

I asked this because I was very specifically waiting to see how Wiml would react to my post. He did answer, but I think it's weird he says "yes but it was long," when.. well it wasn't. It seems pretty simple. I think the reason it took him a while is he was thinking about how to deal with my read.

I also believe Wiml carrying the wolf mindset I described above is fitting as to why his EoD was so awkward irt Transcend. Like he wanted the Transcend lynch, and was trying to push that way when Transcend did weird things I.E. self vote, but he was really conflicted in a way that didn't feel natural

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:09 pm I've never seen him AtE as a wolf to my recollection and he's obviously trying not to be toxic

Earlier he made posts which:

came from a town PoV

is AtE like he hasn't done as a wolf (this could be for a few reasons; demotivated previous wolf games due to not wanting to wolf at all, having less time/investment/rather than being mad at wolf reads on him I think he more felt bad for how he played, etc)

and was handled in a towny was too imo (obviously there but attempted to be curtailed)

First point is... okay

Second has potential holes but if we're going off how likely it is to come from a wolf, probably less likely

Third is possibly from a wolf considering he's trying to be not toxic in thread is general but shrug

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:13 pm Also I think Nanook could have a point re:volume

Not actually that Matt has a lot of content

I find a lot of his reads shallow

But I think his posting/WIM is more towny than not considering I don't think he wants to wolf and the playerlist

Especially when being scum read this much

Like in MCM he posted fewer times and also open wolfed EoD

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:13 pm Not enough to confidently town read him but it's at least a consideration

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:14 pm I'm not sure how I feel about Transcend tbh.

Probably going to sleep on it.

I'm a little less certain looking at them a bit

Anyways here I start town reading Transcend for random reasons, mostly just to try it out tbh

let me explain it

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:50 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:43 pm Ender do you want a town read
That depends on why I'm getting townread.

randomly remember you wolf read Transcend because you got tilted seemed pretty genuine

Like you thought you town read him then you were like ah wait I got tilted and scum read him

If you were a wolf I imagine your thoughts going into your read on him were more artificial, which would be reflected in your remembrance of it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:49 pm i did answer you actually

you said it was a good read

Do you think my explanation was good, or do you, personally, remember it that way too?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:43 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:22 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:19 pm also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them
I will give you props for your game if you are town in post cuz you will have easily been the best player lol.

In reality you're probably having the best game regardless of your alignment.
also I hope you realize every time you make a post like this I have to try really hard to read into the wifom of it

are you trying to pocket me by saying I'm good?

would you try and change my reads by saying I'm bad?

u do that all the time
I tell you that you are bad when you are making reads with conviction for bad reasons and/or just trolling. Your logic in this game has been pretty sound and in this mix you have actually been pretty reasonable.

alr well

Relating to the Wiml read I gave SoD when you read it I didn't get the idea you actually looked at Wiml's posts to see what I meant

Do you think what I said is accurate to how Wiml played, or like, what

Ender do you want a town read

I just spilled water by trying to pour it out of my water bottle into my hand

conceited was what I was thinking of

wait that's not the right word

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:30 pm Esooa your read on Transcend was indeed flawless. You townread him to a degree of being correct that others should look at the read and be like "man, I should really try to play mafia like Esooa."
Your read was indeed GOATED and an example of how great your reads can be in a game of mafia and no one can deny you of that claim.
You deserve to have it known that you were correct on Transcend.

well now I feel facetious

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:22 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:19 pm also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them
I will give you props for your game if you are town in post cuz you will have easily been the best player lol.

In reality you're probably having the best game regardless of your alignment.

also I hope you realize every time you make a post like this I have to try really hard to read into the wifom of it

are you trying to pocket me by saying I'm good?

would you try and change my reads by saying I'm bad?

u do that all the time

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:23 pm Which is weird cuz I'd rely on you by now to have embarrassed yourself with at least one really bad read. Hmmm.

I'm being less flippant. It took me to day 2 to give a real wiml read

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:20 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:19 pm also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them
Can I?

I certainly won't deny it

also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them

I'll reread LC if Mac really wants me to later

maybe

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:42 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:31 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:25 am Alexa - Just gonna yolo townread this slot for dumbfuck reasons
Alison - Is town because if she was a wolf she'd be trying to pocket me not chop me (how much does it suck being this easy to read?)
EnderWiggin - Is town because he asked me if I was a deepwolf or tinfoil town rather than telling me what I was
Esooa - Town unless the person we both decide to chop d1 flips wolf
ilario - Is a wolf
Lime Coke - is a town
Nanook - Is whatever other people say he is go fuck yourselves
TSP - He's in his useless townie meta
Transcend - Is town in any universe in which town are winning this mafia game so there's no point me making an actual read
Wiml - Is lock mafia

the wolves are ilario and wiml

I bid you all farewell.
5
Honestly think you're 1/2 correct here.

Back before you decided I was wolf.

Again.
okay so what I don't get about you is that you keep getting mad about me scumreading you, but you also have been scumreading me almost the entire game? do you commonly get mad at your wolfreads for wolfreading you? cuz that's pretty abnormal behaviour.
I go into my reads on you with the understanding I might be wrong.

Also not really mad about it.

I just like poking at the fact that you wolf-read me every game.
You do realise this is actually something I do to literally everyone right? My entire game is characterised by repping strong scumreads on just about the entire game by EOD 1 so I can read the content back later. It's somewhat of a meme to many people that I do this. Like you really need to stop caring lol.

yeah I kinda do the same tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:13 pm why are you guys mocking me?

I don't know why alexa did. I did it because I'm a monkey who copy pastes things if anyone else copy pastes it

I don't think wimls response was that towny still

dunno why you think it was Mac

Okay so basically here's my game experience and thoughts etc.

I rand town. Enter the game enthusiastic as fuck because I have been getting minimal townrands lately. Immediately make some reads, talk some shit and jet. Come back to some suspicion that I found like >rand nothing and gave zero fucks about. Then while drunk was overcome with the desire to openwolf and shitpost because why not it seemed funny at the time. Suddenly Alison decides I am lock wolf, which like fine she was town, but outside of that I have been nothing but my normal self and I cannot post myself out of the POE. I largely end up mind melding with Alison's gamestate day 1, townreads and scumreads, so deduce she is probably town with a bad read on me but otherwise accurate so end up pretty okay with Transcend getting chopped. Transcend themselves though comes it at EOD and towns it up pretty hard, but it's practically too late because I am committed to just ride or dying with Alison at this point and not in any small part because I felt like if I had have stopped glueing my vote to hers she might have turned and flipped me anyway. Throughout this whole day I am scumreading Ender and Wiml and that never wavers really. Wiml doesn't get any townier, Transcend does. So I dangle the carrot of the Wiml c/w at EOD. It sits for a while with no takers. I decide I'm better off just putting my vote on the Transcend wagon for aforementioned reasons (CFD bad, Alison gud).

Transcend dies, flips town. Oh well. That probably means Alison is actually bad because her two big pushes day 1 are both wolves. When day starts I am going to snap vote her. Oh, she died, fuck. I guess then Esooa is the deepwolf responsible here. Wait, no Esooa is just being really towny how annoying. Hey look Wiml is still scummy. Nanook is mac siding again, god damn this guy. God damn it the wolves killed Alison because she had bad reads and knew that I'd be stuck in the POE for the rest of the game because of it. Is this game better if the town have my flip? Yes probably. Okay let's tell them all that? Oh they aren't listening. Oh dear Alexa is tunneling the fuck out of me. Damn her treatment of Wiml is really weird. Maybe she maf? OMG LC IS SO FUCKING WOLFY LMAO. Oh look now LC is openwolfing by attacking me. Oh dear Wiml just got really towny off the Alexa push. Fuck my life.
Sockys:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:54 pm I think I'm townreading him.

I'm committing to the bus

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:49 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:44 pm @Esooa still reading wiml mafia?
Why do you ask?
I love games where one can't ask a question and get a straight answer. Super fun mafia experience.

I'm gay

the answers yes

I agree with wiml it'd be better to ask after the game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:44 pm @Esooa still reading wiml mafia?

Why do you ask?

@ilario who did you think would get night killed

BTW Mac shielded myself with Hallys read

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:19 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:18 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:15 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield
But I'm very curious
its just basic shit like you are solving well showing depth of thought etc.

my scumread on you was never based on your play anyway.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5103371

fwiw I think her read was a bit overblown that game
were you maf?
Yes. Also, that's Hally
so you want me to scumread you?

also townie.

No. I want you to be scared

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:18 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:13 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:53 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:52 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI
I literally explained it lol
you're not the one id suspect of TMI
macdougalls vote is "I agree with esooa" for the most part and nanook never explains reads so
so this is normal for him?
how do you normally read his alignment then
I policy vote him every game I'm in him with and make close to no attempt to cause I don't enjoy trying to read people who intentionally play into being policy voted for some reason
sigh
so i take that to mean he will do the exact same thing if he rands as maf?

he occasionally will take more thread control as a wolf

not often, or very frequently, though

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:18 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:15 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm @MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town
because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield
But I'm very curious
its just basic shit like you are solving well showing depth of thought etc.

my scumread on you was never based on your play anyway.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5103371

fwiw I think her read was a bit overblown that game
were you maf?

Yes. Also, that's Hally

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:15 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm @MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town
because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield
But I'm very curious
its just basic shit like you are solving well showing depth of thought etc.

my scumread on you was never based on your play anyway.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5103371

fwiw I think her read was a bit overblown that game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm @MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town
because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield

But I'm very curious

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:13 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:53 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:52 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI
I literally explained it lol
you're not the one id suspect of TMI
macdougalls vote is "I agree with esooa" for the most part and nanook never explains reads so
so this is normal for him?
how do you normally read his alignment then

I policy vote him every game I'm in him with and make close to no attempt to cause I don't enjoy trying to read people who intentionally play into being policy voted for some reason

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:10 pm i just went through my iso and i have no idea what i said to lead WIml to saying my D2 is awful and he understands why people hate playing with me and dragging me am i fucking insane?

like he said earlier he's a bit cranky and socially exhausted

and a little drunk tbh

people get like that playing mafia

@MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:05 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:03 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:58 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:57 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:55 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:55 pm alexa I think I've found out why some people get so annoyed in arguments with you tbh.
..you're literally pushing on me and calling my day bad for BS reasons when it's obvious AF i'm not "trying to justify a yeet on you"
You're not worth talking to tbh.
....why wtf
Your reaction to me calling your D2 is so bad that it's genuinely out of your wolf range.

Like no shit, think about what I'm actually saying instead of blindly attacking me if you want an actual conversation.
wtf am i saying

im going to iso myself im sorry..

people just have strong reads right now and are a bit too pushy with disagreement

like I said me too, I was with Mac this SoD

Wimls a bit cranky right now too so yeah. I'm just trying to calm three thread atmosphere down rn

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:01 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:56 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:55 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:53 pm like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on
why are you obsessing so much over this?

LC can read me how he wants. he's right now but he could be wrong in the future. none of that matters atm
because he does it every single game and it makes thread health worse every single game. I'm telling him to stop
I get it's a pain in the ass and I'm trying to fix it. However it's a push that kinda shouldn't happen because Alexa becomes pretty obvious town from her gameplay, annnnd the threadstate gets bad when she's pushed anyways? So best I could do is soften that out by pushing my townread on those that aren't reading her correctly.

Again, I'm trying to figure out a way to defend her without making everyone go batshit insane or piss people off more. Unfortunately I haven't been able to do so.

Again, sorry if it's making you uncomfortable.

it's whatever

I guess it's just mostly about like I said hard shielding her and with caps and stuff

step in the way and tell people they're wrong if you want tbh

but it should be a discussion not just shooting them down imo

I can be like that too so yeah

just saying I think it's much better that way

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:57 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:53 pm like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on
It's not impossible for her to fool me, I guess, but what I see what I have seen multiple times and have been right about every time.

Okay well

having a strong read is fine

but it's also just better for the game if you let people develop their own reads

you will get more out of them like that anyways

if Alexa isn't going to be lynched, you don't need to hard shield her

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:57 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:55 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:55 pm alexa I think I've found out why some people get so annoyed in arguments with you tbh.
..you're literally pushing on me and calling my day bad for BS reasons when it's obvious AF i'm not "trying to justify a yeet on you"
You're not worth talking to tbh.

I think we should all calm down lol

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