The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:50 pm yes deli, i, a wolf, publicly in thread, said esooa is a liar because i tried to NK someone else and i couldn't let a lie stand

big brain time

this would make as much sense as whatever else your supposedly doing to be fair

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:40 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:37 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:19 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:15 pm enough people have showed up

being confirmed town is fun

I'm the doctor and I protected wiml. I can self target/consecutive target so I have no real qualms with claiming rn
this is a lie
Esooa claims doctor, protected wiml. Given there was no death, this obviously has to be true. Why would it be a lie unless syn knows wiml wasn’t the target of the NK??

Wtf is going on
[VOTE: deli] aubergine

the fuck is this vote

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:45 pm He could also be ccing you lol

he'd literally be killing himself doing that so I kinda doubted it

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:44 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:39 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:37 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:36 pm syns basically claiming parity cop
How do you get to this
because there's no other reasons to believe my claim is a lie than a red on wiml + that tracks with his attitude today, opening with who is his town core
He couldn't have a red on wiml, op says only n1-3 for town prs

He could be a JK or a tracker but I guess not fypov

oh lmao then he's just being dumb

I was trying to think what the fuck syn is doing cause saying my claim as mafia is a lie is just awful and that made sense enough to me

I suppose I'll just ignore him then

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:37 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:36 pm syns basically claiming parity cop
How do you get to this

because there's no other reasons to believe my claim is a lie than a red on wiml + that tracks with his attitude today, opening with who is his town core

syns basically claiming parity cop

there's a chance there's a jailkeeper who protected someone that's not-wiml

though I kinda doubt it

I also am aware of mafias n1/2 etc. Part of why I'm claiming now is I just don't want to deal with cc bullshit later

enough people have showed up

being confirmed town is fun

I'm the doctor and I protected wiml. I can self target/consecutive target so I have no real qualms with claiming rn

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:52 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:49 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:49 pm I think Marmot's vote is the most justified here, although I'm not sure where to lean on Marmot. I voted igno mostly because of what Marmot pointed about igno and falcon. Esooa is probably my strongest townread rn. So if there's wolf in there, I'd look at Gavial and Wiml.
why me
I have wolfed with you and this game doesn't resemble your wolf game.

wiml is basically playing the exact same game as me. What do you think of that?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:49 pm I think Marmot's vote is the most justified here, although I'm not sure where to lean on Marmot. I voted igno mostly because of what Marmot pointed about igno and falcon. Esooa is probably my strongest townread rn. So if there's wolf in there, I'd look at Gavial and Wiml.

why me

MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
hollowkatt-town
Gavial-town
Creature-towny
Wiml-town
Kami
Syn
Marmot-he's oki. Town, even
falcon45ca-scummy but hopefully he can actually post useful things today. Probably dies tbh
Deli-town

if I didn't put anything with their name I'm fine with them being voted

5 person PoE? I'm happy with that rn

@MacDougall come choose sides buddy

[VOTE: syn ] aubergine

HKs read is bad but he's handling it in a towny way. Syns read is just awful

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:21 pm esooa is wiml's partner tbh

do you actually believe this read?

I just looked at your iso and you objected to the scum reads on igno not at all. You said:

you'd need some results to get a good shot at igno (null read)
igno/falcon seems to easy (apprehensive agreement)

so stop acting like you knew better

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:11 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:09 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:07 pm the turtle doth protest too much methinks
You obviously haven't seen me deal with this bull before.

Your case on me sucks and you obviously havent even read the context of what you're casing me on
ok, so explain then how it looks like you're the person who nailed down the igno wagon on what was clearly a very bad read (the question is: is it so bad it has to be from town or is it just "bad" which implies wolf) and how you were preassociating igno/falcon as a team

it was a fine read lol

what's up

[VOTE: igno] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:55 am If igno is a wolf, then falcon is probably town. Falcon looks like igno's top scumread, and imo, it doesn't look like distancing.

igno contested this, I've not seen the game they're talking about, but from my experience over ~3 scum games with them, they extremely commonly vote and wolf read their partners

I'm not sure if doing it constantly might be towny. In his two previous scum games he wasn't actually around EoD/didn't fight his chop at that time at least. I'm not sure if that's just not being in thread or he didn't want to. I think it's interesting this game where he's playing even less energetically than from his other games is when he's here EoD trying to not die. It's making me consider going igno at least

I don't understand quite how falcon thinks both that Marmot "carrying my flag" ie getting very involved in his chop is scummy at the same time as HK avoiding involvement is scummy

I'm still fine going igno because I think they're just as likely mafia and falcons resignation is weird, though it's entirely possible he's just burnt out of playing woof since he recently was in Elder scrolls and wolfing in bigger games like that can suck.

either one is good and I'm probably never voting anyone that's not them this day phase

I think Kami is fine but people thought I was town reading her rather. It was very light, so no not really

creatures towny still. I think his posts are good and I actually think it's funny he says it would be easy to wolf in a post cap game because imo it's hard, which he'd know if he was wolfing? maybe. Probably a useless read

I think gavial is pretty towny. I think the things he's posting show pretty easily he's thinking about the game

I don't think syn is town at all. I'd probably vote him after falcon/igno unless he does something

I care about him claiming town specifically because wiml called his opening towny when it's >rand scum. His opening isn't towny

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 106&t=2074

this is a scum game I had with him. Notice his opening is claiming town

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... a&start=50

this is 1984 where he was town. His opening isn't claiming town. It's finding mafia. He says creature is mafia immediately, votes him in his second post, then calls crichard scum in his third.

he doesn't care about finding mafia this game. He is trying to look town.

Also note that in Elder scrolls, where falcon was mafia, his first post was claiming town, like this game

falcons last post was 17 hours ago. It was nothing but "you're reading me wrong" directed at me. He doesn't care about solving the game. He cares about solving the game when he's town. He is one of the players I know who can most reliably be read on tone. He is extremely scummy this game on that basis. Excuses don't matter. Wolf Falcon would obviously also give an excuse like that, "I just lost my zest." That's not a thing. No one cared in 1984 and I town read Falcon immediately.

pretty sure Wiml was saying Falcon's entrance was towny which just isn't true

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:17 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:09 am I'm actually considering going Igno today because they made a weird comment about not always bussing
I'm probably more willing to go igno than falcon today. Falcon I need to look at again but I thought their entrance was towny. Although I'm going to look at both again later.

I also think that Mac misreading me like this is wolfy. He wolfread me for semantics reasons the only other time I played with Mac-wolf. He's only seen me play very passively and in that game treated me as an easy target he could push on without putting much attention on him (which worked for him that game).

I also want to add that I have never played at all well in a game with Mac so his sudden high reputation of my wolf game is completely from nowhere. From the games we have played, he should be severely underestimating me as a player, not the opposite.

his entrance was definitely not towny

I'm actually considering going Igno today because they made a weird comment about not always bussing

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:54 am Let me ask each player something here.

What is the main thing that makes you read Syn as Town?
Because I don’t really see anything from them that stands out to me as town at all.

tbh questions like this are probably out of Seths wolf range

or Igno

we're still killing Flacon today btw

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:27 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:24 pm mac what're my wolf tells
I dunno your game progresses rapidly and I haven't seen you wolf in like 6 months. You don't have all that many because you have openwolfing in your townrange. At the time your wolf game was characterised by things such as outing yourself trying to save drowning teammates, and/or pushing really obvious towny players for bad reasons. Nothing in your posting style particularly, but yeah that's mostly because you have being unabashedly anti-town in your townrange.

lmfao I've been a good little towny recently shut up

mac what're my wolf tells

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:19 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:16 am Observations thus far on players from reading their ISOs

Deli - Some of their posts are nuanced enough that I believe they come from town, specifically their esooa read. Additionally, it seems a number of people scumread Deli for defending Wiml early on, but that looks NAI to me. No issues there.

Kami - Short posts, but they seem very unafraid in tossing reads out there. It's a townlean for now, one I'll likely reconsider later or on future days.

Esooa - I like esooa's more recent posts more than her earlier ones. I think her agreement with Mac is very lacking, mainly because Mac provided 0 context for his reads, so agreeing with them is a big meh. But she seems to be making her own reads, including calling falcon mafia (which is actually not what Mac called him lol)

hollowbutt - I was torn on this one. On one hand, his posts look like ones he could believe in (I'm looking particularly at his argument with Deli about Deli's defense of Wiml). But this suspicion seems a little silly to me. Meta read on HK (yes I'm using a meta read, take that), in his last two wolf games, HK has created a heavy distancing with a partner on Day 1 (Invictus in Bluey Mafia, and Seanzie in Beelzebub). Wiml's reaction makes them look not paired based on HK's recent scum strategies, so I believe they are not W/W, but they could be any other combo. I'm going to give HK a slight townlean for now, mainly because I'm not ready to yeet him.

Wiml - I'm in agreement with a lot of others on this slot. His entrance into the game isn't very good, particular his comments about Gavial. That said, Wiml has a redeeming factor in that he's continued playing the game in a manner that seems unperturbed by the pressure, which I think is a mildly good look.

Syn - I don't recall a game where I was town and Syn was also playing (and he didn't sub in after I died), thus I can't recall a time where I've had to make an uninformed read on Syn. I'm not seeing anything yet that makes me townread him. GTH, mafia, but that's more to lack of readable content than to anything specifically scummy.

Nanook - Not out of his townrange or scumrange right now. Will reconsider on a future day.

ignoramus - Most of their ISO is fine, with the exception of this post. @ignoramus is there a reason you feel the need to force a scum read due to having a lack of them?

MacDougall - 0 scumreads so far. 2 3 townreads. Mac having 0 stated scumreads 24 hours into the day is a concern. He has made a vote, but it was a naked vote. Not a townread right now (but he could just be lazy).

Creature - One thing I really dislike about Creature thus far is their post saying ""I think I townread..." and two posts later saying "I currently feel fairly good". I have 2 issues here. 1) Creature uses two adverbs to describe the second opinion. 2) Nothing really happened to support such a confidence change. I don't mind a bunch of townreads early, but I see this a means of doubling down when being questioned about it since the reads began as soft ones.

I unfortunately have to run, so I'll get to Gavial and falcon later, but I'm going to drop a vote on Creature for now.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Everything about this makes me gag.

yeah kinda

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:15 pm
ignoramus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:35 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:33 am igno, would you be able to talk me through your falcon read please? Particularly how you went from GTH mafia originally but you seem to strongly SR them / are making associatives with them now? Are there any other reasons for this that you haven't mentioned yet?
I'll try my best
I pretty much forgot about my read but if I read again I should be able to explain more

~~~~~

So I read through the thread again and currently these are my only reasons for wolf-reading them

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:23 pm No silent voting and no way to quickly get an accurate vote count in a hammer game, rip
MVP mindset right here folks.

C'mon Nook, look at the brightside...I'm town!

That's 1 down, help me find more
So in this post, they're* already trying to pocket Nanook. I don't know them well enough to know whether or not this is NAI for them, but given my limited experience of mafia, unless these two are close a mafia would definitely prefer to pocket a town so that they got an honorary extra member.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:29 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:25 pm Jesus Christ max 1 post per hour. Hopefully I don't run out of posts and patience before.

Probably means we gotta be quite efficient in our posts and try to settle quick somewhere.
Settle quick? Interesting approach w/ majority lynch, bit reckless don't ya think?
For this post, it's more like them trying to make Creature slow down/become more calm which makes me go :sus:. If Falcon is mafia and knows Creature and how he solves a lot, they would most likely try to make him slow down/lose WIM. This post (if and only if Wiml was the leading wagon) also tells me you're TMI town if Falcon flips red.

ignoramus wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:16 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:21 pm 3rd.

Do I get a prize better than Bronze?

I'm Vanilla btw, it says so on my rolecard
Already claiming stuff like this first thing is Not Good
Like
I dunno if they do this a lot irregardless of alignment but gun to head this is a mafia making a claim they can fall back on when they need to
I've seen some mafia do this before and so when I see it I tend to go :sus:
I don't know how much more I can explain this ngl

ignoramus wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:16 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:23 pm No silent voting and no way to quickly get an accurate vote count in a hammer game, rip
MVP mindset right here folks.

C'mon Nook, look at the brightside...I'm town!

That's 1 down, help me find more
If Falcon flips red, which I think they will, Nanook top town
Lmao double-post
So TLDR: I don't have much reasons to SR Falcon but I SR them so strongly because of the fact I only have two SRs: Gavial and them.
I saw this post before that other one and thought it was a bit of a weird post for Wiml. Mostly the detail in which he articulated feels performative. Having arrived at an Igno wolfread after that I can see why it feels off to me because it feels like Wiml is trying to temper the obviousness of "here Igno let me give you something to chew on to make yourself look townier."

I think this post just as likely comes from Wiml as either alignment

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:13 pm
ignoramus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:50 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:47 am Wall Post
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Syn’s Favourite

Syn @Syn
So I know you had Deli in your scum list (and Falcon) but you haven’t really built on that much. It wasn’t until Esooa VETO’ed them that inspired you to vote Deli. Why is that?

Also, your response with “Wall Posts Bad” I was referring to Ignoramus not myself.

Wiml @Wiml
When you Re-entered the thread.
You never once mentioned me the person you are voting for.
No response, no case build, no reconsideration.
No nothing.
So is there anything else you’d like to say regarding my slot?

Ignoramus @ignoramus
Considering the fact you admit to WamL you lack reason to strongly SR Falcon and your only real strong scum read is me, a Willager.
Think you may want to re-eval your reads?

Nanook @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hello mister Nanook!
It would appear you have no prior mention of WamL before you voted them. Did you perhaps do that because Syn changed their vote to Deli? Do you Town Read Deli or perhaps just SR WamL more?

Creature @Creature
Other then my pop out, is there any other reason you have your vote on me?
What I mean to say is: I only have TWO SRs, you and Falcon. That is why I SR both of you so strongly.
And no I will not re-evaluate, not unless I get other info from flips (mostly red, unless NK then I'll read all)
Anyway, goodnight! I should check how many hours till EOD before I can sleep peacefully
The downside of mafia
I think Igno is wolfing.

I'd agree

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:11 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:07 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:48 am Esooa focusing on meta reads is towny for her (regardless of the accuracy of the read) and probably not partnered with falcon. Doubt she comes in this way as a wolf.

Generally she's also pushing the game in a good direction and that's town-indicative of her. Agree with her takes on Deli (and also that she pointed out Deli as being somebody likely to get mistakenly misread is accurate and I +1 that).
This statement has no basis of fact unless you have TMI.
it's a weird read but atm I'm pretty much just seeing wiml town reading town and wolf reading scummy people, plus I think it's not necessarily wolfy for him to be forcing reads atm
Wiml is a quality player and based on a small sample size, I think we see the game similarly so when Wiml looks at posts and arrives at different outcomes to me over and over again I think it's an indication that we are not aligned. This isn't meta proven, but based on what I've seen in games I've played with them so far I would say it holds true.

They are also reminding me of my own mafia posts. Particularly the mix of overexplaining things to feign solving mindset mixed in with snap reads that are designed to keep people off balance.

If he is a mafia like you he isn't the mafia we vote day 1. That's just not really how it works imo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:07 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:48 am Esooa focusing on meta reads is towny for her (regardless of the accuracy of the read) and probably not partnered with falcon. Doubt she comes in this way as a wolf.

Generally she's also pushing the game in a good direction and that's town-indicative of her. Agree with her takes on Deli (and also that she pointed out Deli as being somebody likely to get mistakenly misread is accurate and I +1 that).
This statement has no basis of fact unless you have TMI.

it's a weird read but atm I'm pretty much just seeing wiml town reading town and wolf reading scummy people, plus I think it's not necessarily wolfy for him to be forcing reads atm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:06 pm If my reads are good then esooa is >rand mafia also.

good thing they're not ig

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:04 pm I think Falcon is >rand town here.

lol

lmfao I love the "one time"

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:04 pm Maybe you should reread your role pm then, idk

I'm good

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:59 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:57 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:14 pm @Wiml talk to me about @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME.
Nook just talk to me about your thoughts on this game so far.
Esooa is probably town

Wiml is too

Creature is a maybe
why do you think I'm town
Presumably I dont have to convince you my read is correct

you presumed wrong I guess

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:06 pm @Esooa is Kami mafia?

RN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:14 pm @Wiml talk to me about @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME.
Nook just talk to me about your thoughts on this game so far.
Esooa is probably town

Wiml is too

Creature is a maybe

why do you think I'm town

[.vote][/vote]

no period

@Marmot why of everyone in the game did you not ISO Gavial and Falcon who are probably the 2 most important people to ISO

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:58 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:29 pm falcon is still mafia. I have nothing else to say

oh well, I also am here to say igno is bussing him
At least you'll get to learn what crow tastes like

I don't really give a fuck if we miss day 1. So this means nothing to me at all

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:40 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:29 pm falcon is still mafia. I have nothing else to say

oh well, I also am here to say igno is bussing him
Lol, you thought so too?

I was put off by igno making post-flip town clears from it though.

igno is a compulsive busser

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:58 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:44 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:38 pm falcon is so mafia
What does the game look like to you if I'm town?

Oh and I am btw. Lock. It. In.
it looks literally exactly the same except you'd be town
That's pretty weak.

I'm not sure if you're scum or just bad at reading me. I'll let ya know when I figure it out
I'm neither. You haven't called a single person mafia. In 1984 you were so eager to call people mafia you called two people mafia and together immediately in a game with at most 1 mafia. You point out things you don't like but you don't say they're mafia for it. You're reserved to the point you're sheeping HK. Your focus is primarily on my read on you

here. I had less confidence after a couple things but at this point lots of people are being towny so I think falcon is by far the most likely hit

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