The Syndicate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:24 pm Ugh, I really thought I had that. Good game, you were right.

Alright, I've gone thru both ISO's, read a bunch of other's posts, and I've come to the conclusion that utimately... I don't fuckin' know

[VOTE: thunal] aubergine

@DrWilgy

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:58 am I think Epi probably didn't know votes were locked. If Epi is mafia that faked not knowing votes were locked, what's his plan? To vote me, making his vote unavailable for anyone else later, and to risk it being seen as performative? I don't think it's a very good plan. I do have some paranoia after Belzy's snipe on me in Sesame Street, but I don't really think it's like that because he could easily have just voted me later.

Hmmmm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 10:53 am Thunal had tmi on me in the midgame and tried to pocket me by locking me more town than other people were. Now she is turning a case on me because she has to. Falcon, I recognize you've had some concerns about me but this is clearly my town game and i hope my perspectives come through to you

I'm not rushing into this, I've fucked up enough votes. I'm going to go thru each of your ISO's looking for what I find towny, and go from there.

I'm here for discussion whenever, gotta couple things going on today, but I'll be around

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:23 pm I think it's rand townie that nutella has so many townleans right off the bat, but why are Rico and I not in that camp?
How can you as a math person say rand when you mean >rand?

Nutella and Scotty can have my first townleans.

So, going thru your ISO, this strikes me as your first 'solvey' post.

Your early stuff felt light & natural, getting to know you chit chat, and this feels like town who've got their eye out for sus

I don't need to solve which of you is Maf...I just need to find the one that's town

OK. That's the approach I'll be taking with your ISOs

@nutella Where you at?

@Thunal33 I've expressed before that Epi going after Nut looks like partner distancing, can you look at their interactions and see what you think?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:02 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:20 pm

Definitely kinda.

It feels more like a throwaway remark, like “I am town!”, than a serious attempt to actually appear towny.

It just seems somewhat (perhaps … kinda?) excess to needs. Not sure what, if anything it means. Performative.

Kinda. Maybe.

Awe, now you appear to be deflecting from your take, and minimizing my criticism by making this a half joke post.

Kinda...but, no actually

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:07 pm I'm fine voting LC, Dizzy, SVS
Was there progression from not really thinking SVS was deflecting to being fine voting her?

Well, what I was doing was calling SVS out for deflecting, the kinda but no actually was sarcastic, based off her kinda back n' forth we'd had.

To clarify, I did think she was deflecting, which is why I was fine voting for her

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:16 pm [VOTE: lime coke] aubergine
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:07 pm
No you're just smoking some really funky shit.

You said LC pinged you right away. Was it for similar reasons as Nutella (that he had strange reads) or was it something else?

It was the way he handled the criticism, felt very defensive & performative

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:12 pm I want to reevaluate everything and make sure I don't make a wrong choice.

I won't snap vote this RD, tho I am tempted.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:11 pm Hmmmmm...

Nut knows I've had sus on them...does she leave me alive for F3, knowing I've been a snap voter?

Fixed

Hmmmmm...

Epi knows I've had sus on them...does she leave me alive for F3, knowing I've been a snap voter?

So one of you two let us hang all day last RD?

Lame

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:11 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:44 pm It's F5 & Rico has 2 votes.

If Thunal is Maf, she could easily hammer. Ditto Nut

Perhaps they're being patient, but I think as Maf they'd still have every excuse to just hammer and go to F3
I wouldn’t blame them to just hammer away in any alignment, though that does help.

I also think you voting first and early makes you look towny

Wanna be town buds with me?

Oh heck, why not

It's F5 & Rico has 2 votes.

If Thunal is Maf, she could easily hammer. Ditto Nut

Perhaps they're being patient, but I think as Maf they'd still have every excuse to just hammer and go to F3

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:04 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:00 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:57 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:45 pm I still think Rico bussing Epi wouldn’t be good strategy, but it might not matter as much as I thought it did. What matters more is if Rico would think it was good strategy and I don’t have much of an idea whether he would. One thing that is imo a slightly good point for Rico around Epi is that he didn’t do more to bury Epi and maximize cred. He just said Epi looked worse and left it at that.
I'll be the first to say that is within range for a bus.

My virtue call of not being wolf is not that I killed Epig in the tiebkreak.

My virtue call of not being wolf is that I did not sink you, given that the timing and tally I arrived had that on a plate. Press the button, cook up a sentence, or just vote etc.

This is TMI

IMO
I offered this rewind before and your answer was "just vote me then bro what you waiting". Are you that unable to repeatedly explain the reasoning for a wolf verdict on that instead of just framing it as such?

It seems to me you're saying you should be TR by virtue of the fact you did not vote off Thunal...which implies that you know her alignment.

Cuz while it's true, you may TR her slot, you don't KNOW she's town. Especially since, if you had been TR her slot the whole time, it's not even a big decision on who to vote for, Thun or Epi

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:57 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:45 pm I still think Rico bussing Epi wouldn’t be good strategy, but it might not matter as much as I thought it did. What matters more is if Rico would think it was good strategy and I don’t have much of an idea whether he would. One thing that is imo a slightly good point for Rico around Epi is that he didn’t do more to bury Epi and maximize cred. He just said Epi looked worse and left it at that.
I'll be the first to say that is within range for a bus.

My virtue call of not being wolf is not that I killed Epig in the tiebkreak.

My virtue call of not being wolf is that I did not sink you, given that the timing and tally I arrived had that on a plate. Press the button, cook up a sentence, or just vote etc.

This is TMI

IMO

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:41 pm falcon, PoE candidate, will spin me wolf and vote me - check

Scotty, PoE candidate, will spin me wolf and vote me - check

We can't both be Maf, and in fact from your perspective (if town) we very well both might be town.

This take is not a town mindset

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:04 pm So let’s see.

Falcon has already voted rico, because that is basically his only option. Here is his progression today:
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:02 am My solve stays in Rico/Nut

If Scotty or Thunal is Maf, well I don't think we're ever getting there this RD, if at all

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:05 am [VOTE: rico] aubergine
his vote of rico after this post basically says ‘I am committed to my solve of rico and tomorrow if rico is town, nut’
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:12 am I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.

I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal
now it’s a sprinkle of thunal and a pinch of salt if not rico.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:23 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:17 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:12 am I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.

I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal
But what is the end goal of a W!Thunal going through the trouble of removing Rico from the POE?

She’s already been rather adamant while SVS was alive. It sounds like she’s come to the conclusion today that it’s just you

That's a fair point, and then my solve is still Rico/Epi

I don't see you as Maf. If you are, this is such a well deserved win, I don't even care (well...a little bit)

I have some mild sus of Thunal, largely cuz' of what I just mentioned, and my Nut sus has to do w/ the fact she's still alive, seems to be hunting, and her back n' forth on my slot v Syn last RD

Ultimately, I think it's just Rico. If he was town, I don't even know why he'd enter the game and play when he did. I think he'd just stay AFK. What he did w/ Epi is literally the only play he had as Maf to go deep
ok this is the one that makes me turn my head at a 25* angle.

Here he now thinks it’s just Rico, but still suspects both nut and thunal. A whole lot of options open and ready for f3. If falcon is mafia and we misyeet rico today, f3 is falcon, thunal and…probably nut? If he can stir up enough doubt in those 2, he can point to that in f3 in case he needs to switch it up.

Okokok but
His nut suspicion here is the one that tilts me. “My nut sus has to do w/ the fact she’s still alive”
That’s the same reason he suspects rico. What was SVS? Chop liver? Mafia can’t kill everyone every night, so this is a bit of a soggypapertowel suspicion to use for multiple people. Like, you can’t keep people in your POE just because you think they should have been NKd by now

Then vote me and get this RD over with. All of this is just blahblahblah, cuz' you're wrong. I'm town

I'm not going round and round with this stuff for the next 24hrs, and this is tedious.

He's telling town to stay strong and saying that F3 is gonna be the same as F5

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:20 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:51 am >snip>
3. The math solve is falcon/scotty, in f5/f3 respectively, I realise it's not pleasant for them to face such PoE logic, but that's the best thing to roll with, unless better alternatives can be argued.

4. Speaking of things argued, both falcon and Scotty show intent to push a lynch on me, and I don't think either has clarified (or proved willing to clarify) their wolf!me perspectives i.e. how I had Thunal's lynch at a push of a button and decided to hard kill my teammate instead. Word/tone-wise, falcon seems very unwilling to formulate proper arguments, whilst Scotty does so, but also mixes them up with "it's gotta be"es.

Anyway, one of them is town, so clearly misguided, the other could very well be wolf and resort to this as his lifeline. Tempted to believe the wolf would also come in thread and push the "why isn't Rico nightkilled that's so SuuuuS" narrative. In this f5, it's likely both of them could vote me, so it takes one more voter to change mind. In f3, I expect the same - keep me alive, bring it down to a vote swing to misselim me. Stay strong town.

>snip<

Methinks you just made a slip

No, but he is holding the town hostage for F3, and pretty much told everyone he's gonna be here next RD

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:36 pm Thunal up 3 to 2 vs Epignosis, with SVS, Epignosis and myself still to vote

Enter thread

Flake another 20mins (I was undecided and unread), instead of making it a decisive 4-2

“It’s the only explanation, guys, only Maf would play like this”

Then vote me. You're just sitting there, hanging back

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:49 pm To anyone: how common is an LHF getting cleared multiple day phases based on a bus here? I'm realizing there may be some culture difference because I'm drawing from my MU experience when LHF could have higher survivability here.

It's happening right now for pete's sake

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:07 pm I don't really see how town!Falcon thought it didn't make sense for town!Rico to be alive.

Then vote me, you're just tunneling yourself into your bias.

Perhaps I'm doing that a bit as well, but I'm paranoid about all of you. You seem to just think it's me, with an outside chance of Scotty

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:05 pm I have considered that Rico bussed multiple times in my head and I do understand the strategy behind it, I just don't think it's the most likely option. It's possible that it's different on this site but usually inactive scum don't survive that long to win even if they do bus. If I were in w!Rico's position I would almost certainly have voted me instead of Epi. In Sesame Street the wolves wanted me killed d1 while they could to the point where Belzy went on my wagon as a "misclick" despite defending me in the thread.

This makes no sense, Rico literally has 17 posts and isn't being voted cuz' of his Epi vote. You have no idea if he's actually town or not, I do not understand how you can truly believe that sentence.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:20 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:18 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:14 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:48 am I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?
I’ve explained the strategy multiple times, and it is a good strategy if he’s actually wolf, especially if falcon and I don’t call him on it. The confusion of such a legitimate bus in a 2-mafia game solidifies his town status.

I think falcon’s point of ‘why is rico not dying’ is actually even EASIER to explain away: he’s not a strong town voice. Let’s say rico IS town. It’s not like he’s changing the world being around as town. Sounds like a pretty benign person to keep around even to Fx

He doesn't have to be a strong town voice, if he's actually town, he's confirmed town w/ that vote IMO
‘Confirmed town’ is an opinion of course

Yes, I am aware of that

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:20 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:12 am I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.

I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal
Also wait, really? Solve in rico/thunal?

What about your tinfoil of nut?

I'm town dude, I'm paranoid of all you fuckers.

I mean fuckers in the nicest way possible btw

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:22 am lol if it’s just falcon and rico is straight up just chillin with a cigar in his mcmansion with his 14 posts ready to win with the rest of us plebs

Dude, it's not

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:17 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:12 am I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.

I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal
But what is the end goal of a W!Thunal going through the trouble of removing Rico from the POE?

She’s already been rather adamant while SVS was alive. It sounds like she’s come to the conclusion today that it’s just you

That's a fair point, and then my solve is still Rico/Epi

I don't see you as Maf. If you are, this is such a well deserved win, I don't even care (well...a little bit)

I have some mild sus of Thunal, largely cuz' of what I just mentioned, and my Nut sus has to do w/ the fact she's still alive, seems to be hunting, and her back n' forth on my slot v Syn last RD

Ultimately, I think it's just Rico. If he was town, I don't even know why he'd enter the game and play when he did. I think he'd just stay AFK. What he did w/ Epi is literally the only play he had as Maf to go deep

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:14 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:48 am I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?
I’ve explained the strategy multiple times, and it is a good strategy if he’s actually wolf, especially if falcon and I don’t call him on it. The confusion of such a legitimate bus in a 2-mafia game solidifies his town status.

I think falcon’s point of ‘why is rico not dying’ is actually even EASIER to explain away: he’s not a strong town voice. Let’s say rico IS town. It’s not like he’s changing the world being around as town. Sounds like a pretty benign person to keep around even to Fx

He doesn't have to be a strong town voice, if he's actually town, he's confirmed town w/ that vote IMO

I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.

I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal

Honestly, @Thunal33 , how can you not see that as inactive Maf, the only chance Rico had was to bus his teammate?

If Rico hadn't bussed Epi, would he even be around anymore? It's quite literally the only thing that's getting him a TR, and he's still alive despite being the deciding vote on a Maf

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:48 am I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?

Why would the Maf leave Rico alive after that?

It basically confirms him town...if they actually are town

[VOTE: rico] aubergine

If Rico is TOWN, and he was the deciding vote on a Maf wagon?

How is he still alive? It makes no sense

My solve stays in Rico/Nut

If Scotty or Thunal is Maf, well I don't think we're ever getting there this RD, if at all

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:18 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:23 pm though I also want to win with just 16 posts lol
Rico is at 14 posts.

Gonna be honest, this ploy is not helpful if Rico is town. Since it seems like he’s committed to this, he’s got 1 post left today, to vote. Based on his iso, it’ll be falcon. And if it’s not falcon, he’ll vote me tomorrow.

I don’t like the way this is going. But at least my mind is made up.

Falcon and I were the only ones even remotely tinfoiling rico yesterday, and if we yeet falcon today and he’s NOT mafia, I think the peripherals point to both of us being more right than not.

I am NOT Maf

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:01 pm @falcon45ca how are you feeling about Rico atm?

I suspect they're Maf, nothing's changed.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:01 pm I'm fine with Syn or Nut this RD
You’re like the only person suspecting nutella atm, so why didn’t you also include Rico in this?

I mean, I'd already voiced my suspicion?
Who's currently your top suspect and who was your top suspect when you voted Syn?

I don't have a top suspect, like baddie numero uno. Nut, Syn, Rico. That's my legacy

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:01 pm @falcon45ca how are you feeling about Rico atm?

I suspect they're Maf, nothing's changed.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:01 pm I'm fine with Syn or Nut this RD
You’re like the only person suspecting nutella atm, so why didn’t you also include Rico in this?

I mean, I'd already voiced my suspicion?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:01 pm @falcon45ca how are you feeling about Rico atm?

I suspect they're Maf, nothing's changed.

viewtopic.php?t=2351&start=3900

I did what Epi did w/ Nut to my partner, DDL, except I went at DDL harder.

It's a legit tactic, it works

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:35 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:30 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:27 am I just reread falcon’s iso. He never interacted with Epi once.
He did, however, talk about Epi by suggesting that this wasn’t bad Epi on account of an ‘activity litmus’.

His D2 was composed of focusing on Syn, avoiding the Epi suspicion that was forming, and making a vanity vote that remained a vanity vote on Syn

I think he’s just the wolf here

If I flip, the game is going to D4

Bank on it
Maybe. Talk to more me about nutella, since you basically cherry picked her name out of Epi’s anti spew list (which I’m not reading into because he was on his way out when he made that), then asked the thread at large about his treatment of her. Like, did you actually read his iso more before coming back with ‘im fine with syn or nut’?

I think on a 2 Maf team I'd distance my partner hard, especially if they haven't really been getting heat from the thread in general.

I know this, cuz' I've done it several times. Take a look at Duck Tales

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:27 am I just reread falcon’s iso. He never interacted with Epi once.
He did, however, talk about Epi by suggesting that this wasn’t bad Epi on account of an ‘activity litmus’.

His D2 was composed of focusing on Syn, avoiding the Epi suspicion that was forming, and making a vanity vote that remained a vanity vote on Syn

I think he’s just the wolf here

If I flip, the game is going to D4

Bank on it

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:15 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:10 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:09 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:06 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:04 am [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

He's town ya nugget.

Oh well, I s'pose you'll find out soon enough.

I recommend solving the game now w/ a green flip in mind tho

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:11 am Syn
SVS
Scotty
nutella
Thunal
Rico
falcon
Epi

I feel pretty solid about the upper half of this list. Nutella I could still see being wrong on, but I'm very content with a townread there for now.

Solve is prolly in Rico, Thunal & I

Or is that too obvious?
im just going by your solve

That's funny, cuz I have myself as town.

Liar
But in all honesty, if you’re in the POE, especially one that you yourself have proposed, it makes sense to be fine with dying. I mean obviously if you’re town, the order of the poe is probably more preferable but I haven’t seen you so much as offer to be deaded

It never makes sense for town to be OK dying, that's absurd.

You pinning your vote for me on my POE from one post, which I also say is too obvious, is pretty damn wolfy. Especially given you have Syn & I recently as your vote for this RD, but Syn isn't even in that POE of mine you seem to be hanging your hat on

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:09 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:06 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:04 am [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

He's town ya nugget.

Oh well, I s'pose you'll find out soon enough.

I recommend solving the game now w/ a green flip in mind tho

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:11 am Syn
SVS
Scotty
nutella
Thunal
Rico
falcon
Epi

I feel pretty solid about the upper half of this list. Nutella I could still see being wrong on, but I'm very content with a townread there for now.

Solve is prolly in Rico, Thunal & I

Or is that too obvious?
im just going by your solve

That's funny, cuz I have myself as town.

Liar

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:04 am [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

He's town ya nugget.

Oh well, I s'pose you'll find out soon enough.

I recommend solving the game now w/ a green flip in mind tho

[VOTE: syn] aubergine

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