The Syndicate

With the way town was reading each other this F5, I say wolves take that 90% of the time

GG Wolves, thanks for the host @Epignosis

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:22 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:52 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:43 am Vote falcon with me, Roxy.
I am voting LC. Is it where my vote is staying? TBH I am not sure bc I am still reading what people are posting and will make a final decision closer to EOD.
I’m not gonna exaggerate and say I feel like my solve is a slam dunk but based on how falcon and LC have handled the day, I feel fine

LC has seemingly given up, which on one hand is how Hal felt in the back half of D2, but the difference here is Lc has been very engaged throughout

It makes absolutely no sense as LC's partner to come at you & Roxy the way I did.

Like, none at all.

You're telegraphing LC's flip, despite the fact that both the previous flips also did not put up a fight to their lynches
Perfect sense, actually:
-come out early with the team being Scotty/Roxy, not LC
-claim it’s not LC bc he ‘seems townier’ than Scotty/Roxy
That way, if you can swing it away from LC, end the game now

And me assuming LC’s flip is me prepping for tomorrow, yes. Especially in case I feel like I’ve done some DD here.
I feel like either Roxy or SVS dies in the night. Ain’t no way I’m not on the table for tomorrow.

I’ve mentioned my thought about the previous lynched not putting up a fight. LC is different because he’s been involved and has put in some capacity of solving. I don’t even classify it as laying down and giving up- I think he’s tried a bunch of things here but sometimes you just get beat

And here we have Scotty prepping a mislynch for a F3

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:22 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:52 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:43 am Vote falcon with me, Roxy.
I am voting LC. Is it where my vote is staying? TBH I am not sure bc I am still reading what people are posting and will make a final decision closer to EOD.
I’m not gonna exaggerate and say I feel like my solve is a slam dunk but based on how falcon and LC have handled the day, I feel fine

LC has seemingly given up, which on one hand is how Hal felt in the back half of D2, but the difference here is Lc has been very engaged throughout

It makes absolutely no sense as LC's partner to come at you & Roxy the way I did.

Like, none at all.

You're telegraphing LC's flip, despite the fact that both the previous flips also did not put up a fight to their lynches

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:30 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:01 pm On a somewhat related note, this song was (and in some ways still is) the hardest song I ever learned to play, took me about a month of working on it. I'd give it a B -

The techniques aren't crazy difficult, but the arrangement is a lil' tricky.

Awesome finger work! I’m not familiar with that song, but does it switch between 4/4 and 6/8 there? That kind of rhythm change is so difficult.

I have to admit, I just started trying to integrate fingerpicking and singing into my auditions this year, and went in with a half-practiced 32-bar rendition of Landslide by Fleetwood Mac and it did NOT go how it went in practice. Just awful. Practice is so important for this in particular. I’m still working on it and feel better now but damn was that brutal. Nothing like a polite smile and ‘Thank you’ to make me just want to throw it all in the river

It has a schwack load of different time sigs, 4/4, 5/4, 5/8, 11/8, 3/4, prolly some others I'm missing

On a somewhat related note, this song was (and in some ways still is) the hardest song I ever learned to play, took me about a month of working on it. I'd give it a B -

The techniques aren't crazy difficult, but the arrangement is a lil' tricky.

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:10 pm @falcon45ca I was v frustrated with you last time we posted at each other. I apologize if I came across as a cunt. I was just flabbergasted by your posts.

Same for everyone playing.

I am sorry.

Nah, Roxy we're always good.

I go hard, my mind set has always been if I don't come home bleeding, I didn't try hard enough

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:07 pm ok sure

I mean, you're the one on the block.

The 3 of us can't all be Maf, but what if the 3 of us are town?

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:33 pm Did you really say you could never be this engaged as a wolf??

I like the extra ??, very performative

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:18 pm The reality seems to be Roxy as the main swing vote, if we want to go with a falcon/S~V~S team. If Roxy is town, and won't budge from me, then the game is already over.

Scotty says I'm your teammate, but seems quite fine with swapping over to an svs/falcon team.

That sits well with you? Why does Scotty have to be town?

It seems like you only really care about solving SVS....you're not alone there, quite a few players only care about one player, but why are you so sure of your town read in Scotty in a game where town is getting absolutely smoked?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:12 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:05 pm I can't find what doesn't exist.

Do I make some TRs? Sure, but it's typically extremely limited. I hunt wolves, I don't find town...this is known, you're acting like I play as JJJ
What are you >unwilling< to do as wolf? Like, when you say 'i don't act like this as wolf', are you saying you just don't make as much an effort? Always?

It's not really a matter of what I'm willing or unwilling to do, it's about what I actually do or do not do.

And I do not engage like this as Maf

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:14 pm Just humor me falcon- are there any worlds where the wolves are SVS/LC, and Roxy and I are town?

Of course there is, and I need those two to engage, because it would be easy for Maf to sit back and allow town to rip each other apart

I can't find what doesn't exist.

Do I make some TRs? Sure, but it's typically extremely limited. I hunt wolves, I don't find town...this is known, you're acting like I play as JJJ

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:11 pm Im mostly asking you falcon to help me in covering all the bases- you not putting effort into towncasing your town reads besides ‘they’re just town’ is lazy and not effortful. THAT is something I associate with your wolf game.

I don't really town-case players, that's not how I play.

Please go find my town games where I make big town cases

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:04 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:38 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:27 pm I feel really good y’all

Prolly cuz as wolf, you're in a pretty good spot.

As town, I don't see how anyone would feel good right now.

Like, my play today makes no sense as wolf...none at all. Yet you seem oh so supremely confident
I’ve laid out why your play makes sense as a wolf, and I feel good about it.

Tell me more about LC- not just that you feel he is stronger town than me and Roxy- why is he stronger town?

I don't really find him towny, I just find the two of you both scummier. I've laid out why, just recently

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine [VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Roxy is town cuz meta VS Falcon is scum despite meta

That's the logic Scotty is asking us to believe that he believes

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:27 pm I feel really good y’all

Prolly cuz as wolf, you're in a pretty good spot.

As town, I don't see how anyone would feel good right now.

Like, my play today makes no sense as wolf...none at all. Yet you seem oh so supremely confident

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:37 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:00 pm The only way I can see Roxy as bad is if she has masterfully copied her town meta and she and SVS are waltzing into the sunset. That she would even be contemplating suspecting SVS at this phase makes me question this theory whatsoever.

I have no idea what falcon sees there. Especially if he thinks it’s me and her. I’m probably the most suspicious-looking one of the two

@falcon45ca talk to me about Long Con. Why is he not wolf?

Her reads have been very static, they haven't moved much at all...it's all been about LC really.

Even when she questions me, she doesn't ever seem to be trying to solve my slot.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:19 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:18 am I'm fine with LC or Hal
what happened to your baddie read of me?

You're not out of the woods, but really I wanted you to engage

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:36 am OK, I have to read it again, but 1st thoughts are Hal is doing the 'hey fellow town chummy chum chums' that Maf are famous for, Roxy discussing voting for an absentee D1 is sus & always anti-town, and I like SVS so far

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:20 pm
hal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:17 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:15 pm
hal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:40 am i am being sussed too much, time to townclear myself

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i am robyn

what is the actual point of pretending to be someone else in a non-sock game?

I do not understand at all.

Your fixation on drugs is another ping.

yeah I'll now vote for you if nothing else happens to make my eyebrow twitch.
isn’t my fixation on drugs nai?

Prolly the least towny thing you could say.

Do you have any reads? Lotta folks tossing you around, surely you have an opinion on some of em'

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:48 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:33 pmHal/Roxy
Talk to me more about Roxy and why she’s strumming a minor chord

That's cute, I like that word play

She messaged me to get into the game, yet she feels quite passive. I don't see much solving, more just...suspecting, if that makes sense

Never expressed a scum read or gave reasons on you my ass. Blatant misrepresentation of what's been happening.

Have I always at times found you towny? Absolutely, my reads change & develop as the game goes on. Ya know why? Cuz' I'm town. Wolves are the ones who are often stuck.
Weren’t you just complaining how I’ve been townreading you all game and suddenly turning on you is bullsuit?

No, that's not what I said....I implied you were being a hypocrite for your reasons to SR me, and you are.

Seriously. Name a game where scum falcon is engaged like this. They don't exist

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:37 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:00 pm The only way I can see Roxy as bad is if she has masterfully copied her town meta and she and SVS are waltzing into the sunset. That she would even be contemplating suspecting SVS at this phase makes me question this theory whatsoever.

I have no idea what falcon sees there. Especially if he thinks it’s me and her. I’m probably the most suspicious-looking one of the two

@falcon45ca talk to me about Long Con. Why is he not wolf?

Her reads have been very static, they haven't moved much at all...it's all been about LC really.

Even when she questions me, she doesn't ever seem to be trying to solve my slot.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:19 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:18 am I'm fine with LC or Hal
what happened to your baddie read of me?

You're not out of the woods, but really I wanted you to engage

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:36 am OK, I have to read it again, but 1st thoughts are Hal is doing the 'hey fellow town chummy chum chums' that Maf are famous for, Roxy discussing voting for an absentee D1 is sus & always anti-town, and I like SVS so far

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:20 pm
hal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:17 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:15 pm
hal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:40 am i am being sussed too much, time to townclear myself

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i am robyn

what is the actual point of pretending to be someone else in a non-sock game?

I do not understand at all.

Your fixation on drugs is another ping.

yeah I'll now vote for you if nothing else happens to make my eyebrow twitch.
isn’t my fixation on drugs nai?

Prolly the least towny thing you could say.

Do you have any reads? Lotta folks tossing you around, surely you have an opinion on some of em'

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:48 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:33 pmHal/Roxy
Talk to me more about Roxy and why she’s strumming a minor chord

That's cute, I like that word play

She messaged me to get into the game, yet she feels quite passive. I don't see much solving, more just...suspecting, if that makes sense

Never expressed a scum read or gave reasons on you my ass. Blatant misrepresentation of what's been happening.

Have I at times found you towny? Absolutely, my reads change & develop as the game goes on. Ya know why? Cuz' I'm town. Wolves are the ones who are often stuck.

Fixed

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:37 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:00 pm The only way I can see Roxy as bad is if she has masterfully copied her town meta and she and SVS are waltzing into the sunset. That she would even be contemplating suspecting SVS at this phase makes me question this theory whatsoever.

I have no idea what falcon sees there. Especially if he thinks it’s me and her. I’m probably the most suspicious-looking one of the two

@falcon45ca talk to me about Long Con. Why is he not wolf?

Her reads have been very static, they haven't moved much at all...it's all been about LC really.

Even when she questions me, she doesn't ever seem to be trying to solve my slot.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:19 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:18 am I'm fine with LC or Hal
what happened to your baddie read of me?

You're not out of the woods, but really I wanted you to engage

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:36 am OK, I have to read it again, but 1st thoughts are Hal is doing the 'hey fellow town chummy chum chums' that Maf are famous for, Roxy discussing voting for an absentee D1 is sus & always anti-town, and I like SVS so far

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:20 pm
hal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:17 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:15 pm
hal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:40 am i am being sussed too much, time to townclear myself

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i am robyn

what is the actual point of pretending to be someone else in a non-sock game?

I do not understand at all.

Your fixation on drugs is another ping.

yeah I'll now vote for you if nothing else happens to make my eyebrow twitch.
isn’t my fixation on drugs nai?

Prolly the least towny thing you could say.

Do you have any reads? Lotta folks tossing you around, surely you have an opinion on some of em'

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:48 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:33 pmHal/Roxy
Talk to me more about Roxy and why she’s strumming a minor chord

That's cute, I like that word play

She messaged me to get into the game, yet she feels quite passive. I don't see much solving, more just...suspecting, if that makes sense

Never expressed a scum read or gave reasons on you my ass. Blatant misrepresentation of what's been happening.

Have I always at times found you towny? Absolutely, my reads change & develop as the game goes on. Ya know why? Cuz' I'm town. Wolves are the ones who are often stuck.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:54 pm Like, there's no credible way you can have me as a SR <<<<snippy snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>
like there is no credible way for you to have a baddie read on me bc you have never given any reason

Untrue

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:03 pm lmao and just like that his vote changes.....I can't even, really I can't I have a meeting.

I quite literally listed you & Scotty as teammates, you finding this incredulous is what's laughable

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:56 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:02 pm Looking at falcon:

No scumflips, so commenting on how he’s leading the thread/who he suspects.

One thing I’ve noticed with falcon which is a big reason I’ve been townreading him, is he votes for players to put pressure on them, and follows up with his suspicions.
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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:36 am OK, I have to read it again, but 1st thoughts are Hal is doing the 'hey fellow town chummy chum chums' that Maf are famous for, Roxy discussing voting for an absentee D1 is sus & always anti-town, and I like SVS so far
He votes Hal right after.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:25 am Ah, so they have, 4 posts...fluffy stuff, and then traveling for 48.

We should not vote this player IMO
He disagrees with the timmer vote on principle.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:28 am [VOTE: LC] aubergine
Votes LC.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:39 pm SVS, Scotty I feel safe to call town at the moment

Roxy I'm less sure of, but more towny than not

Scum reading Hal & LC, and I'd also say timmer is more scummy than not

JPIC, Sean are null
Couple weird things here:
-he had just had a big to-do defending timmer for being away and saying it’s a terrible vote, but here is calling him scummy.
-no real progression on Roxy and why he’s townreading her

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:32 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 3:54 pm from my brief skim of the game i think I have a town read on SVS as I agree with most of their thoughts - specifically vibe with the below post.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:24 pm

Talk to me about the list, what about it bothers you specifically?
This isn't my question, but a few things bother me. First, it feels like he's not so much defending Halyn, as trying to appease them, if that makes sense, with this remark:

I do feel comfortable with this playlist. Now that that Hal guy's gone. Either way, you are the newest player to me on this list. Everyone else is someone I've played with 3 million times.
followed up with not putting a read on Halyn even though he put reads on the no shows.

Then, he put a wolf read on jpic and a town read on Sean, while both of them have the same zero posts. If he found no shows sus, he would sus both of them, right? And if he was in the no shows = BOTD camp, then it would be both of them.
i also have a weird gut read that hal is town as well based on absolutely nothing other than i thought it was interesting they were fine with killing seanzie but didn't mention me

This is all ya got?

[VOTE: jpic] aubergine

To create a an un-tie, tho I know all about EOD
Votes jpic

2 hours later, jumps back to Hal, followed by:
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:56 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:55 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:54 pm [VOTE: hal] aubergine
Spicy but I don’t think that helps.

Why jump off jpic for a completely diff wagon?

I'm not sold on JPIC being Maf
Day 2:
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:03 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:37 pm That's a pretty legit choice. Sorry to Timmer for the misyeet.

Why exactly did you feel timmer was scummy enough to vote?

They had 3 posts. What did town stand to gain via associations/interactions by flipping that slot?
Placing blame on LC for even contemplating a timmer vote, who falcon had last called ‘more scummy than not’.

Where was falcon when timmer was being voted? This is a strange dichotomy

He then votes LC
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:30 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:10 pm I’m also curious why I am not under more scrutiny for being the one to spearhead timmer’s demise (even tho LC seems to proudly be acting the martyr)

If it makes you feel any better, you're in my Top 3 Scum
No progression here.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:33 pmHal/Roxy
Out of nowhere, he’s scum reading Roxy. Last we heard, she was ‘more town than not.’ Has not talked about her between then and now as far as I can tell.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:48 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:33 pmHal/Roxy
Talk to me more about Roxy and why she’s strumming a minor chord

That's cute, I like that word play

She messaged me to get into the game, yet she feels quite passive. I don't see much solving, more just...suspecting, if that makes sense
Explains it more here, ok.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:53 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:30 pm Seanzie's death was probably one of the best ones for town.

If he didn't enter the game this RD, and given that he hadn't shown any signs of playing, he'd be mislynched for sure
Yeah two options I can think of for Seanzie dying-
1) someone is scared of Seanzie should he show up,
2) the mafia is not a low poster and we should be looking at the high posters *checks notes*

Wait no, not the 2nd one

Who are your top scum reads right now, and why?
Moved on to me, then votes me.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:09 pm I find it hard to believe that, with likely 2 Maf, they were both on timmers wagon. That's just bad policy.

Hal is the best chop today IMO. They've done literally no hunting this RD, and I'd argue they did very little last RD. They were around for EOD, but it purely seemed to thread monitor for self pres.

I'd like to hear thoughts on JPIC from @Scotty @Long Con
Moves the discussion back to Hal.
Ok, to summarize my conclusions here: there’s a lot of what seemed like solving at the time, but with reading the receipts it reads more like branding without warming up the poker.
I think falcon has suspected everyone in this game- some more than others- but at the end of the day, there doesn’t seem to be a strong progression of those suspicions. The point where he reprimands LC for going for timmer like he knew the whole time timmer was a bad vote reads as TMI to me.

He has mentioned Roxy a few times as suspicious, but has never really pushed that. Odd.
He has lightly townread SVS I think, but I don’t remember seeing much of her mentioned. Also odd.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:50 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:00 am [VOTE: roxy] aubergine
What is this.
I've voted Roxy, I think more than once possibly? Once before my current vote for sure

And then you seem concerned with my following up on my sus of Roxy...ya know, it's not the 1st time you've been protective of her this game.

You mentioned she's very much in her town meta....tell me, who do you feel is very much outside their town meta this game? I'd say, of the players remaining, none of us...we're all well within our town metas, and therefore to so assuredly TR Roxy for meta? With no wolf flips?

You are not suspicious of her slot, and in fact seem somewhat protective of her
A- you voting her means nothing if you’ve voted most people in the game.
B- yes, I’ve been kinda defensive of her this game because she is a strong town read. That you still aren’t answering or expanding on your position of her is stranger than me protecting someone I town read
C- Roxy’s town meta from my experience has a particular shade to it, as I’ve explained before. I think I’m pretty good at reading it. Could I be wrong? Well, yea. But I feel more confident she is good than I feel confident on all my scum reads this game

You literally brought up my pressuring player's w/ votes as town indicative, and now it's a flaw?

You had me as a strong town read, and now seem to be basing a good chunk of a SR off how I read Roxy....OK

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Look, 2 players left are my teammates, I need input from @Long Con & @S~V~S as well. Maybe my solve is right, but it'd be foolish for us not to discuss as much as possible

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:53 pm and actually @falcon45ca you would know how I feel about Scotty if, ya know. you actually read the thread.

Ya, you just say he's a baddie, and agree with his takes, yet it does nothing to how you read his slot. That's myopic, and you don't pressure him ever with votes. That's wolfy

Like, there's no credible way you can have me as a SR Scotty, name 1 game where I, as Maf, have been around and present from when I entered the game to now, not once

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:52 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:49 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:00 am [VOTE: roxy] aubergine

with out so much as a by your leave

Who else are you suspecting beyond LC? How do you read Scotty right now?
I will not be answering any of your questions bc you have yet to respond to mine.

Which one? Sorry, musta missed it

She just lists you as a baddie, and there's like no real teeth to her pressure on you whatsoever

Yeeah, no she hasn't that I can see.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:37 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:00 pm The only way I can see Roxy as bad is if she has masterfully copied her town meta and she and SVS are waltzing into the sunset. That she would even be contemplating suspecting SVS at this phase makes me question this theory whatsoever.

I have no idea what falcon sees there. Especially if he thinks it’s me and her. I’m probably the most suspicious-looking one of the two

@falcon45ca talk to me about Long Con. Why is he not wolf?

Her reads have been very static, they haven't moved much at all...it's all been about LC really.

Even when she questions me, she doesn't ever seem to be trying to solve my slot.
Is she trying to *solve* other slots? I feel like she has certain feels about people- I don’t think that’s exclusive to you.

Also it hasn’t just been about LC. Based on her reads this game, she could vote me easily and has been breathing down my neck since D1.

So apply that logic to what you've said about myself...is she really pressuring you? How many times has she had a vote on you? Imma check

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:00 am [VOTE: roxy] aubergine

with out so much as a by your leave

Who else are you suspecting beyond LC? How do you read Scotty right now?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:02 pm Looking at falcon:

No scumflips, so commenting on how he’s leading the thread/who he suspects.

One thing I’ve noticed with falcon which is a big reason I’ve been townreading him, is he votes for players to put pressure on them, and follows up with his suspicions.
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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:36 am OK, I have to read it again, but 1st thoughts are Hal is doing the 'hey fellow town chummy chum chums' that Maf are famous for, Roxy discussing voting for an absentee D1 is sus & always anti-town, and I like SVS so far
He votes Hal right after.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:25 am Ah, so they have, 4 posts...fluffy stuff, and then traveling for 48.

We should not vote this player IMO
He disagrees with the timmer vote on principle.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:28 am [VOTE: LC] aubergine
Votes LC.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:39 pm SVS, Scotty I feel safe to call town at the moment

Roxy I'm less sure of, but more towny than not

Scum reading Hal & LC, and I'd also say timmer is more scummy than not

JPIC, Sean are null
Couple weird things here:
-he had just had a big to-do defending timmer for being away and saying it’s a terrible vote, but here is calling him scummy.
-no real progression on Roxy and why he’s townreading her

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:32 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 3:54 pm from my brief skim of the game i think I have a town read on SVS as I agree with most of their thoughts - specifically vibe with the below post.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:24 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:51 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:34 am @Roxy Talk to me about SVS & Scotty if yer able
SVS ok so far I guess

Scotty has given me pause with his line of questioning and I feel like he has and agenda - town or bad I do not know yet

but that LC list is something....I need some answers.

Talk to me about the list, what about it bothers you specifically?
This isn't my question, but a few things bother me. First, it feels like he's not so much defending Halyn, as trying to appease them, if that makes sense, with this remark:

I do feel comfortable with this playlist. Now that that Hal guy's gone. Either way, you are the newest player to me on this list. Everyone else is someone I've played with 3 million times.
followed up with not putting a read on Halyn even though he put reads on the no shows.

Then, he put a wolf read on jpic and a town read on Sean, while both of them have the same zero posts. If he found no shows sus, he would sus both of them, right? And if he was in the no shows = BOTD camp, then it would be both of them.
i also have a weird gut read that hal is town as well based on absolutely nothing other than i thought it was interesting they were fine with killing seanzie but didn't mention me

This is all ya got?

[VOTE: jpic] aubergine

To create a an un-tie, tho I know all about EOD
Votes jpic

2 hours later, jumps back to Hal, followed by:
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:56 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:55 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:54 pm [VOTE: hal] aubergine
Spicy but I don’t think that helps.

Why jump off jpic for a completely diff wagon?

I'm not sold on JPIC being Maf
Day 2:
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:03 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:37 pm That's a pretty legit choice. Sorry to Timmer for the misyeet.

Why exactly did you feel timmer was scummy enough to vote?

They had 3 posts. What did town stand to gain via associations/interactions by flipping that slot?
Placing blame on LC for even contemplating a timmer vote, who falcon had last called ‘more scummy than not’.

Where was falcon when timmer was being voted? This is a strange dichotomy

He then votes LC
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:30 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:10 pm I’m also curious why I am not under more scrutiny for being the one to spearhead timmer’s demise (even tho LC seems to proudly be acting the martyr)

If it makes you feel any better, you're in my Top 3 Scum
No progression here.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:33 pmHal/Roxy
Out of nowhere, he’s scum reading Roxy. Last we heard, she was ‘more town than not.’ Has not talked about her between then and now as far as I can tell.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:48 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:33 pmHal/Roxy
Talk to me more about Roxy and why she’s strumming a minor chord

That's cute, I like that word play

She messaged me to get into the game, yet she feels quite passive. I don't see much solving, more just...suspecting, if that makes sense
Explains it more here, ok.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:53 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:30 pm Seanzie's death was probably one of the best ones for town.

If he didn't enter the game this RD, and given that he hadn't shown any signs of playing, he'd be mislynched for sure
Yeah two options I can think of for Seanzie dying-
1) someone is scared of Seanzie should he show up,
2) the mafia is not a low poster and we should be looking at the high posters *checks notes*

Wait no, not the 2nd one

Who are your top scum reads right now, and why?
Moved on to me, then votes me.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:09 pm I find it hard to believe that, with likely 2 Maf, they were both on timmers wagon. That's just bad policy.

Hal is the best chop today IMO. They've done literally no hunting this RD, and I'd argue they did very little last RD. They were around for EOD, but it purely seemed to thread monitor for self pres.

I'd like to hear thoughts on JPIC from @Scotty @Long Con
Moves the discussion back to Hal.
Ok, to summarize my conclusions here: there’s a lot of what seemed like solving at the time, but with reading the receipts it reads more like branding without warming up the poker.
I think falcon has suspected everyone in this game- some more than others- but at the end of the day, there doesn’t seem to be a strong progression of those suspicions. The point where he reprimands LC for going for timmer like he knew the whole time timmer was a bad vote reads as TMI to me.

He has mentioned Roxy a few times as suspicious, but has never really pushed that. Odd.
He has lightly townread SVS I think, but I don’t remember seeing much of her mentioned. Also odd.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:50 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:00 am [VOTE: roxy] aubergine
What is this.

I've voted Roxy, I think more than once possibly? Once before my current vote for sure

And then you seem concerned with my following up on my sus of Roxy...ya know, it's not the 1st time you've been protective of her this game.

You mentioned she's very much in her town meta....tell me, who do you feel is very much outside their town meta this game? I'd say, of the players remaining, none of us...we're all well within our town metas, and therefore to so assuredly TR Roxy for meta? With no wolf flips?

You are not suspicious of her slot, and in fact seem somewhat protective of her

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:00 pm The only way I can see Roxy as bad is if she has masterfully copied her town meta and she and SVS are waltzing into the sunset. That she would even be contemplating suspecting SVS at this phase makes me question this theory whatsoever.

I have no idea what falcon sees there. Especially if he thinks it’s me and her. I’m probably the most suspicious-looking one of the two

@falcon45ca talk to me about Long Con. Why is he not wolf?

LC very well could be, I don't know.

But I tend to think he's townier of the two of you tbh....you've got a very sly way about you atm, and I don't trust you.

I prefer Roxy tho.

What's your GTH scum team right now?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:00 pm The only way I can see Roxy as bad is if she has masterfully copied her town meta and she and SVS are waltzing into the sunset. That she would even be contemplating suspecting SVS at this phase makes me question this theory whatsoever.

I have no idea what falcon sees there. Especially if he thinks it’s me and her. I’m probably the most suspicious-looking one of the two

@falcon45ca talk to me about Long Con. Why is he not wolf?

Her reads have been very static, they haven't moved much at all...it's all been about LC really.

Even when she questions me, she doesn't ever seem to be trying to solve my slot.

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

Brutal.

OK.

Gut feels says it's Scotty & Roxy

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:58 pm I only posted that because this silence is deafening.

IIRC Roxy doesn't vote jump

Someone with fresh eyes look at Hal at EOD and ask yourself if there's a town motivation to do what they did

[VOTE: hal] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:19 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:05 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:05 am Does mafia!long con label half the team as mafia lol
Here’s another one of those questions into the void without an answerable answer.

Does town!jpic give pep talks to himself in the mirror before a date?

Yes, but who are they pushing? Scummy Hal and a dash of LC

Do you think the timmer wagon was pure?
So if I’m parsing between LC/Hal/jpic on that wagon, I’m still leaning away from LC and some sort of difference check between Hal/jpic. Because I’d like to operate under the assumption wolves split up on that vote.

I also don't think both wolves were on it, but JPIC has done far more than Hal to show they could be town

That necessarily puts it between hal & LC for me, and if I'm being honest, hal being around for EOD and then ghosting this RD is super scummy

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:04 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:09 pm I find it hard to believe that, with likely 2 Maf, they were both on timmers wagon. That's just bad policy.

Hal is the best chop today IMO. They've done literally no hunting this RD, and I'd argue they did very little last RD. They were around for EOD, but it purely seemed to thread monitor for self pres.

I'd like to hear thoughts on JPIC from @Scotty @Long Con
To your first point, I did just check and hal has checked in since this, and:
hal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 3:10 pm unsure i'm not being completely pummeled here, especially because i dropped off the face of the planet this cycle, i did expect to die here but whatever. i've been extremely busy recently and i can't be on for eod. and i will be present d3

apologies for the inactivity
Indubitably.

Hal’s got nothing going and I don’t want to say it’s AI. I mean, timmer also wasn’t here. Inactivity doesn’t mean they fell asleep at the dinner table with the murder weapon in their hand. But it also does nothing to move the needle.

To your second point on jpic: scumlean. He’s adding enough to the table to bring a sleuthing viewpoints, but there’s something…noncommittal about them? That could just be how town jpic hunts, but i don’t feel confident with calling him town atm. Curious on others thoughts.

Well, timmer just didn't have content...Hal has dropped off a cliff, and then they expect to die here but whatever?

If not Maf, that's just anti town
ok but

see

I’m not sure it’s alignment indicative. I’ve seen hijinx from them over games that it could just be playstyle. I don’t know.

It all seems to easy to lay down like this as wolf, right? Tho I’m wondering what the reaction would have been if Hal were actually leading in votes. Hal has never been too wagon this phase, so maybe they don’t think they’re actually on the block.

Not every post is going to be AI. It's anti town. What have they done to show they are town?

Do you want that slot around in a potential F3?

Again, I ask you: Do you think the timmer wagon was pure? I've not seen you answer, apologies if I missed it

That was LCs 2nd or 3rd post btw

[VOTE: lC] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:17 pm 9 players, so whaddawe got? 2 mafia? Roxy and Timmerman. GG

You voted timmer who literally did Jack and Shit, basically a 0 poster

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:11 pm Guys, it's not unusual to have more scum leans on a list on day one than there are scum.

You're ignoring the issue that you had scum leans on players who hadn't posted or really done anything at all

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:11 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:08 pm I was v surprised Scotty has voted SVS. I couldn't really find any reason. Except for - myopic.

Like what?

Wants me to read SVS for him - uh no. Not gonna happen. Get your own read.
???

SVS: “you could be bad because you’re not looking like your civ self”
Me: “that means you’re using a reference of what my bad self looks like.”
SVS: “no, you’re just not good I sense a disturbance in the force”

But of creative license there but I find the suspicion she has of me shallow.

Fair, she hasn't been able to back that up...not sure if that's enough tho, gut feels are real

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:05 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:05 am Does mafia!long con label half the team as mafia lol
Here’s another one of those questions into the void without an answerable answer.

Does town!jpic give pep talks to himself in the mirror before a date?

Yes, but who are they pushing? Scummy Hal and a dash of LC

Do you think the timmer wagon was pure?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:09 pm I find it hard to believe that, with likely 2 Maf, they were both on timmers wagon. That's just bad policy.

Hal is the best chop today IMO. They've done literally no hunting this RD, and I'd argue they did very little last RD. They were around for EOD, but it purely seemed to thread monitor for self pres.

I'd like to hear thoughts on JPIC from @Scotty @Long Con
To your first point, I did just check and hal has checked in since this, and:
hal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 3:10 pm unsure i'm not being completely pummeled here, especially because i dropped off the face of the planet this cycle, i did expect to die here but whatever. i've been extremely busy recently and i can't be on for eod. and i will be present d3

apologies for the inactivity
Indubitably.

Hal’s got nothing going and I don’t want to say it’s AI. I mean, timmer also wasn’t here. Inactivity doesn’t mean they fell asleep at the dinner table with the murder weapon in their hand. But it also does nothing to move the needle.

To your second point on jpic: scumlean. He’s adding enough to the table to bring a sleuthing viewpoints, but there’s something…noncommittal about them? That could just be how town jpic hunts, but i don’t feel confident with calling him town atm. Curious on others thoughts.

Well, timmer just didn't have content...Hal has dropped off a cliff, and then they expect to die here but whatever?

If not Maf, that's just anti town

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