The Syndicate

BTW, just for the record voting out red checks seems kinda prejudiced

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:01 pm yeah the 2 lowest posters being traitors sort of took the sting out of this

Falcon was certainly trying some shit but got redchecked lmao

Wait, was I town or traitor this game?

Did I win?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:59 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:15 pm Falcon's whole case on Mac is just a pile of NAI shit

and he's immediately trying to connect me to Mac on a preflip to chain elim 2 of the loudest thread voices
Finally someone else says it.

Yeah, you guys are Traitor buds. Cool you were able to find each other, makes it easier for us to flip you. Flip you f'real

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:01 pm I don't like cops.

Even if KZA is a wolf here they're posting really well and I know this is a bad thing to say but it's sad to see them be the obligatory elimination.

Dafuq?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:58 am Yay! [VOTE: KZA] aubergine

If only this would lead to connections to other traitors.

Mac.

[VOTE: VOTE KAZ] aubergine Cool beans.

KZA wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:15 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:57 pm This is what Mac listens to as he pulls the town's strings

I think the thing to remember here is that even if Mac is a lost wolf he doesn't actually know who his teammates are.

So if he's powerwolfing then he has to be actively making reads he knows are incorrect (or at least, ensuring a decent enough number of his team are skipped over).

Obviously you disagree with his read on you but how do you feel about the other players Mac is pushing? I think they're wolfy (Poison in particular). Do you think that there are any players who Mac is defending who are likely to be traitors? If so, who and why?
He has to do no such thing. All he needs to do is play the game with Mac's fervor, and if his reads are wrong (he's already lynched a townie), then how is he to blame given how little info the town has to go on? He's making his reads without TMI, this game setup is a huge benefit as Lost Wolf for a player of Mac's ability.
what moves the needle from wrongtown Mac to wolf Mac for you?

considering Cat and I were the top wagons and we are both town, most of the playerlist had wrong reads on D1

It's the way he's pushing his reads, and the reasoning (or lack thereof) for his scum & town leans.

His "keep the thread BS free" isn't exactly cutting edge strategy, yet he seems to believe it lock town proof of his mayorship.

Also, you might be a traitor, so I don't know that most of the playerlist was wrong on D1.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:20 pm I confess I'd feel a bit disappointed if the red check was on Auwt or Poison as both are a bit obvious traitor here, but anyone else feels like a good hit. Imagine if it is someone like MacDougall or Long Con.

Mac makes sense in light of Marmot not wanting to reveal so as not to kill thread participation.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:13 pm Would we feel more motivated if Marmot outed the guilty? I know some players get in a surge of WIM when they obtain info on someone's alignment.

My motivation would remain unchanged, but perhaps others would feel more incentivized?

Again, I don't see why town can't feel motivated regardless of the red check

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:08 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:06 pm the posting of sparkles has become increasingly offputting
How so?
whenever she speaks to someone it's like she's putting her hand on their leg. her sidling up to you in your argument with mac is gross, got the same buddying vibes earlier in the game, don't like the way she's attacking kza

I don't care about her attacks w/ Kaz, but I agree with you on her buddying up to me re: Mac

KZA wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:08 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:04 pm i don't see the point of withholding the red check, because you're not gonna get spew
I guess to encourage everyone to keep looking for stuff for most of the day

I don't see why town would stop looking for stuff, but ce la vie

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:06 pm the posting of sparkles has become increasingly offputting

How so?

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:04 pm i don't see the point of withholding the red check, because you're not gonna get spew

I tend to agree

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:15 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:57 pm This is what Mac listens to as he pulls the town's strings

I think the thing to remember here is that even if Mac is a lost wolf he doesn't actually know who his teammates are.

So if he's powerwolfing then he has to be actively making reads he knows are incorrect (or at least, ensuring a decent enough number of his team are skipped over).

Obviously you disagree with his read on you but how do you feel about the other players Mac is pushing? I think they're wolfy (Poison in particular). Do you think that there are any players who Mac is defending who are likely to be traitors? If so, who and why?
He has to do no such thing. All he needs to do is play the game with Mac's fervor, and if his reads are wrong (he's already lynched a townie), then how is he to blame given how little info the town has to go on? He's making his reads without TMI, this game setup is a huge benefit as Lost Wolf for a player of Mac's ability.
I've already lynched a townie? I was like the last person to vote for cat.

Did they die? Where they town? Then yes, you lynched a townie.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:15 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:57 pm This is what Mac listens to as he pulls the town's strings

I think the thing to remember here is that even if Mac is a lost wolf he doesn't actually know who his teammates are.

So if he's powerwolfing then he has to be actively making reads he knows are incorrect (or at least, ensuring a decent enough number of his team are skipped over).

Obviously you disagree with his read on you but how do you feel about the other players Mac is pushing? I think they're wolfy (Poison in particular). Do you think that there are any players who Mac is defending who are likely to be traitors? If so, who and why?
He has to do no such thing. All he needs to do is play the game with Mac's fervor, and if his reads are wrong (he's already lynched a townie), then how is he to blame given how little info the town has to go on? He's making his reads without TMI, this game setup is a huge benefit as Lost Wolf for a player of Mac's ability.
Ok but... I don't think any player can just win this solo even before we factor in cop checks, especially not one with a reputation like Mac.

Why is he powerwolfing here and not just powertowning? What is he getting out of this? What direction is Mac pushing the thread in currently that you disagree with besides scumreading you, obviously?

All you're telling me so far is that Mac is being loud and pushing his reads but I don't get the conclusion of that being wolfy.

Well for starters his towncore used to include both myself & Poison. He's flipped those reads, and I can say his read on me changed with no real thought fleshed out ITT, he said it was all the Page 6 Epiphany.

He outright lied about not knowing I was in the game. His read on Kaz also flipped with no real rhyme or reason, just more Page 6 which he has not explained at all, at least not that I've seen.

Had 112 previously as top town, but lists them in the mid range, and then pushes KG who has a whopping 13 posts cuz they're here for the memes? Go thru KG's ISO, see if that's the tone you get. Voted Cat, tho he says there's no reason to do so, kinda here by default as he put it.

Sorry, what has he done that's towny? Said we should keep a thread state that doesn't tolerate BS? Earth shattering revelation right there

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:57 pm This is what Mac listens to as he pulls the town's strings

I think the thing to remember here is that even if Mac is a lost wolf he doesn't actually know who his teammates are.

So if he's powerwolfing then he has to be actively making reads he knows are incorrect (or at least, ensuring a decent enough number of his team are skipped over).

Obviously you disagree with his read on you but how do you feel about the other players Mac is pushing? I think they're wolfy (Poison in particular). Do you think that there are any players who Mac is defending who are likely to be traitors? If so, who and why?

He has to do no such thing. All he needs to do is play the game with Mac's fervor, and if his reads are wrong (he's already lynched a townie), then how is he to blame given how little info the town has to go on? He's making his reads without TMI, this game setup is a huge benefit as Lost Wolf for a player of Mac's ability.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:56 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:53 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:47 pm Falcon or Poison.
Yeah, guess I don't townread Falcon enough.

So I have Auwt/Falcon/Poison in my traitor pool. Need one more.
Are you gonna sheep reads all game, or do you have any of your own? This coming up with a POE by committee reeks of a Traitor who's afraid to engage themselves and leaves it to others
Even sheeping sometimes requires knowing who exactly you are sheeping.

This post almost says something, but then takes a sudden swerve into sometimes exactly

This is what Mac listens to as he pulls the town's strings

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:47 pm Falcon or Poison.

You spelt Mac wrong

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:47 pm Falcon or Poison.

You spelt Mac wrong

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:47 pm Falcon or Poison.
Yeah, guess I don't townread Falcon enough.

So I have Auwt/Falcon/Poison in my traitor pool. Need one more.

Are you gonna sheep reads all game, or do you have any of your own? This coming up with a POE by committee reeks of a Traitor who's afraid to engage themselves and leaves it to others

OK, so I learned where Captain Falcon came from, and yeah the Falcon Punch is pretty badass.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:08 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:31 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:53 am Not sure I understand Mac’s exile vote given he wants to take a no bullshit approach.

Murphy’s posts have mostly been the exactly that.
He's a Traitor. Mac is attempting to grab control of the town and Mayor it into oblivion. I've seen him do it before
I can see that.

Falcon punch!?

I don't know what a falcon punch is, but it sounds pretty cool.

Imma Ask Jeeves right meow

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:57 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:30 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:17 am Would traitors out themselves to get themselves exiled?
Out themselves as traitors? Then why would we exile them instead of lynching them? I'm not sure what you mean
I mean doing something deliberately outing like selfvoting in exile phase as an attempt to get themselves exiled at the cost of being outed.

I don't agree with that, but I see what you mean

[VOTE: VOTE MAC] aubergine

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:53 am Not sure I understand Mac’s exile vote given he wants to take a no bullshit approach.

Murphy’s posts have mostly been the exactly that.

He's a Traitor. Mac is attempting to grab control of the town and Mayor it into oblivion. I've seen him do it before

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:17 am Would traitors out themselves to get themselves exiled?

Out themselves as traitors? Then why would we exile them instead of lynching them? I'm not sure what you mean

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:03 pm Falcon remains prime for being traitor here.

That's funny, cuz' I think the same thing about you.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:30 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:48 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:43 pm Do you think LC is a fine exile?
Not at all tbh.

If you want to exile somebody who is a relatively low poster, 112 and Gira are much more likely to be town.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:49 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:43 pm Do you think LC is a fine exile?
No, and the fact he volunteered himself is total garbage
Suit yourselves.

Now you're trying to use reverse psychology on us, it won't work

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:42 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:28 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:18 pm I was saying if we exile traitor tonight and we get a green peek we can always exile the green peek and it won't further traitor's wincon as they'll always be stuck at 1/3 on their exile wincon. Obviously it would be the most optimal to not exile traitor tonight, but even if we do that won't hurt us much because of the reason above.
I still think we should go out of our way to avoid it, it's a loss condition at the end of the day and there isn't really a downside to just exiling somebody we think is very likely town over somebody we aren't sure on?
I'm hesitant to exile someone like Mac because he's a fairly important voice and, even if we can just autovote the guilty tomorrow, it'd be useful to have Mac around.

We shouldn't exile Mac. If he's town, as you say he's an important voice, and if he's a Traitor, well obvs we shouldn't be exiling Traitors.

112, Poison, Wiml IMO

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:43 pm Do you think LC is a fine exile?

No, and the fact he volunteered himself is total garbage

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:11 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:40 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:36 pm Who are we exiling?
do we want to exile town or wolves?
Preferably town, but that we wouldn't mind silenced
I can volunteer.

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:46 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:39 pm What an irritating game
How you feeling about Mac's turn around on you?
I have no idea what he's doing but I'm gonna let him do it

Who do you want to exile?

How's work? I'm at work too, and it's totes lame right meow

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:39 pm What an irritating game

How you feeling about Mac's turn around on you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:50 pm im a flop lol
You're capable of better shit posting than this
Sure I am.

Yeah, Mac knew

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:58 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:54 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:47 am I mean it was pretty obvious to me falcon was Captain Falcon amd i’m new here LOL
I hadn't seen him post to my memory though.
Fair.

He's lying, he and I had engaged each other last night

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:50 pm im a flop lol
You're capable of better shit posting than this

Yup, you already knew I was in the game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:42 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:36 am @falcon45ca are you in this game?

@Gavial can you put real usernames in the poll plz.
Yes, and you already know this. Quit faking
I didn't actually. I was trying to tag this new guy I didn't know named captain falcon but couldn't find the post tag so I tagged you and asked you this question after I figure you were captain falcon.

How is that possible, since prior to that tag you and I had engaged each other?

I can see you not knowing if Captain Falcon was in the game, but you knew I was in the game

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:15 am
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:44 am Wolves are definitely gonna give a fuck so they get exiled and/or survive the lynches.
Which is why I’d rather send 112 to exile then Wiml, well one of the reasons besides 112 being clear town after the meta case on the EGG aka Humpty Dumpty aka FAKE GENGAR

How do you feel about being Exiled yourself?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:36 am @falcon45ca are you in this game?

@Gavial can you put real usernames in the poll plz.

Yes, and you already know this. Quit faking

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:42 am Wiml will be getting my exile vote anyway.
Thinking about exiling Captain Falcon to own the libs

The libs?

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:19 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:16 pm There is no night kill Falcon

This is TMI btw
Why can't I find that in the rules?
the part where there's an exile phase instead of a night phase?

like who's gonna be making a factional kill when traitors have no communication lol

I dunno, I figured they'd have a way.

I didn't take exile phase to mean there'd be no NK

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:16 pm There is no night kill Falcon

This is TMI btw

Why can't I find that in the rules?

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:52 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:59 pm The reason I was focusing on exiles so early: if we work out a consistent winning strategy to avoid losing to exile (3-4 good options to consider already suggested) then I think we should almost completely lock this game with the cop and hopefully early clears.
basically yeah

the strat is the cop sends their check for today then claims. if they get a clear, they out it and we bet the game on that person being town by exiling them every time (probability is 4/14 for checking a traitor * 1/15 for checking the anti-day cop's target (assuming the anti-day cop can self-target), which is a less than 2% chance). if we lose to that oh well

then after that we just follow the cop, the cop does not out their checks, they do not telegraph who they are checking in any way, no one tries to direct the cop in any way

from there we just yeet through people, the cop + 4 clears wins the game, although clears become less reliable on later days having a traitor slip in your group of 5 isn't the biggest problem as long as we kill some traitors on the way. if we get down to that group of 5 and the game isn't over yet, the cop and the perma-exile are full clears and we can vote everyone that isn't them.

like i've said, boring but almost guaranteed effective and I'm not going to pass up a breaking strat as town

Sorry, why are you expecting the cop not to get NKd after they claim?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:50 pm im a flop lol

You're capable of better shit posting than this

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:05 pm What the fuck is DADV?
dead air dead villager

Cool.

You crazy kids and your acronyms. So wacky

What the fuck is DADV?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:22 pm I also feel the weird vibes from the thread state (usually I'd be calling it dadv) but it's important to remember that the wolves don't know who each other are either. We are probably going to get very little opposition to pushing on LHF / fairly inactive players regardless of their rand.

I'm don't know what you mean about "weird vibes", elaborate plz

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:16 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:15 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:44 pmI'm spewed not cop
What does this have to do with the price of eggs in China?
kit kat milkshake

That actually sounds fuckin delish right about now

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