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Why?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 3:25 pm Wasn't expecting a modkill today, but alright. She probably wasn't getting healed anyways since Neeko highly doubts there is a day doctor.
Honestly Creature is still probably a better kill than Paopan.
Yeah, I saw that too. Def strange. Is there any indication that ilario was starting to TR alexa before they died w/ no flip?
But if Sabie is scum, then it makes no sense for them to not shoot T! Pao. It would draw negative attention to them, like it is.Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:50 pmNo, because sabie is not truthful, so Sabie is the one i should vote for then. And sabie has killing power. Scum with killing power.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:49 pm Honestly, if Belzy feels this way about Sabie re: Pao, then they should vote Pao
Who's "you all"? I'm not advocating for sabies flipCreature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:16 pmIf we mislynch today, I guess there's still a chance town may survive to see tomorrow. However, if you all decide to lynch the town vig then you all better find a way to resolve me because I suspect two mislynches in a row almost always results in a wolf win here.
If Sabie is Maf, what's her play here? Obvs she'd be aware that she didn't VK Pao as she told you, so why admit to holstering?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:11 pmIf that's the case, she did not speak up about it at all, so I'm not sure why she's lying now. In the group chat, we all talked about how we scumread Mac and Pao, but were more confident on Mac and our shot couldn't be blocked so we went with it. Sabie seemed equally (or even more-so) confident on Paopan scum as well. I confirmed that she had a vig shot left and she confirmed she'd be firing it at PaopanSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pmSabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pmOk, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pmBut see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
You're not gonna like it, but I think sabie doesn't enter the POE just yet. There's others ahead of her IMO
This is pretty much where my head is at right nowSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:42 pm This game has started to go off the rails. Let's regroup.
ALEXA IS POISONED. Arguing about her alignment today is pointless. Unless there is a healer who opts to save her, she is flipping at the end of this phase whether she is town or mafia.
Targeting Ilario today is pointless. He has claimed 3P, and takes responsibility for poisoning Alexa. He has presented arguments for suspecting alexa to be mafia. We can agree or disagree with this arguments. But, again, she is going to flip no matter what. We can discuss her alignment, but only insofar as it helps us to identify other POE possibilities around her.
There are three mafia remaining. It is a safe bet that Ilario is not one of them in any world. Belzy, Porscha, and falcon are also almost definitely not among them. LinearPoint is only mafia if Alexa is also mafia. The more civilians we can identify in the remaining groups of players, the easier it becomes to solve this game.
I believe that DrWilgy and JPIC are town based on interactions with dead mafia members and, in JPIC's case, posts during this day phase.
That leaves me with Creature, Sabie, paopan, and the possibility of Alexa and LinearPoint. If Alexa flips town, then I feel the game may be solved. If Alexa flips mafia then the game may be solved as well. I would pick Creature and LinearPoint as her most likely partners.
Absolutely none of those POE reads are set in stone (including the JPIC and WIlgy townreads). But healthy discussion is essential if we want to win this game. We must be open to reconsideration of reads, and pursue things with clear and honest minds. I am saying these words as much for myself and everyone else.
I'll always listen to other ideas & assess them on their own merit.Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:23 pmSo either someone who I feel could be telling the truth about being protective or someone I am sure is townfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:20 pm TBH, I'm fine w/ Pao or Creature this RD
If players feel strongly over one than the other, let me know why plz
I've hit Maf w/ 2 of 3 actions.
BoomJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:20 pmI assumed he doesn't have one because he shot mac
Ahh, I see. Didn't realize who'd poisoned Alexa.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:39 pmilario poisoned Alexafalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:37 pmYeah, I just read a bit of their wall post.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:32 pmilario claimed 3pfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:32 pmOh, who's the 3P trust me?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:29 pm I really hate that I am in another GoC where there is a known 3p playing the "trust me bro" card
why does god hate me
Lynch em' dead I say
Why not vote alexa then?
if we are to believe ilario, he needs to kill two mafia directly to achieve his wincon. He's already killed dizzy. Yeeting Alexa won't achieve it.
Personally, I think I am of the mind to leave both alexa and ilario and yeet outside of them two.
Yeah, I just read a bit of their wall post.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:32 pmilario claimed 3pfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:32 pmOh, who's the 3P trust me?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:29 pm I really hate that I am in another GoC where there is a known 3p playing the "trust me bro" card
why does god hate me
Lynch em' dead I say
Who's idea was it first?Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:24 pmAlexa wanted to vig shot Mac just as much as me. So why should a mafiaAlexa do that?ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:08 am I’m 3p, I’m hks partner. We have two wincons. First wincon is kill two wolves. If we kill two wolves, we achieve our wincon, get removed from the game and game continues as it normally would. Second wincon: we survive all the way to the end (just one of us is fine) and we win with whoever is alive. So yeah, we can win by winning with town and eliminating all the wolves. So there’s heavy incentive for us to townside which is why we have. I used hks day vig on dizzy so we already got 1 of our kills. If Alexa is mafia then I get my second and I leave the game if she flips mafia.
As for my abilities, everything lp outed today is….correct. So correct that I wonder if it’s coming from tmi. They perfectly guessed my characters name and some of their abilities. Which are: twice a game I can make myself untargetable to any night actions. I think the night alexa claimed her vest to be popped was the night wolves tried to kill me. That day before eod, I made a post saying tsp was probably a wolf and mac even noticed it and commented on it. I killed dizzy that day. I was pushing mac. And fossed alexa. I’ve been n1d 3 of my last games in a row (excluding didney world). Im a hot commodity for wolves to nk, so yes I do strongly believe wolves had a lot of reason to want me dead.
Start of today Alexa has a sudden epiphany that 3p isn’t eliminated. My guess is she didn’t discuss this in the chat with belzy and pao? Wanna know why? Probably because she didn’t know until sod because she used her rc on me. Why would town alexa rc me if she’s convinced I’m town? Or belzy on d2? It’s because she’s wolf and is trying to rc people mafia can’t push to get misyeeted.
And yeah I know what y’all are gonna say 3p is bad and shouldn’t be trusted, but if I was an evil aligned 3p I have no reason to play this way. I wasn’t being sussed by anyone, I can just keep living off the towncred from dizzy and achieve my wincon if it was an evil one. I wouldn’t invest this much into solving when I’m already in a good spot. So why would I as 3p care so much about townsiding? Because I’m a petty ass bitch and I think wolves chose players so I wanna bury the entire team for not choosing me lol, that’s pmuch it.
Oh, who's the 3P trust me?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:29 pm I really hate that I am in another GoC where there is a known 3p playing the "trust me bro" card
why does god hate me
Was Sabie sketchy in the chat? What was she like?alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:39 pmIDK. Sabie honestly was being extremely sketchy in this regard and it makes me nervous about her alignment. Like a huge convo in the neighborhood was "OK we are killing Mac/Paopan, let's shoot one then Sabie kills the other"Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:21 pmWhy would a roleblock deter you from attempting to shoot?sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:07 pmI was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.
and she agrees etc etc etc
so her suddenly backtracking on that/holstering feels sketchy as fuck to me
His body looks like swiss cheese right nowLinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:55 pm So 5 people are claiming to have shot Mac and not retracting?
Def possible.
I mentioned at one point that he was feeling towny to me, for sure, shortly after my red check claim on TSP & P&G's reaction to that. My reads change & move tho, and by EOD I was pretty sus of the slot
Read my last few interactions w/ P&G, as well as my POE.alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:48 pmwhy did you choose to shoot mac? iirc you were saying he was more likely town by EODfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:47 pmNah, I think it was awesome.
We are ever closer to town victory. Chin up, we've got a solvable POE
