The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:25 pm MR seems pretty wolfy to me though

I really doubt he's wolf.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:23 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:21 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:19 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:16 pm Not really, there were some loud defenders, but def not like out of contention
No what i meant was if Dizzy was PoE in the majority of people's reads to make Dizzy predict he might get shot and get in anti-spew mode? Because this list look like all of them have either history of slanking or lhf material.
i don't think he was POE enough to be in anti-spew. dizzy will bus though, in anni 2021 he shot a scum partner
Damn… he did say in the game before this one that he has bussed in the past.

I will need to do the hard work and cross analyze those names with Dizzy.

It's not that Dizzy will never ever bus, it's that he does not do it often & does not like doing it. Especially early game. Obvs things are a bit different in that he had to put out 8 votes, so I think it's likely that there's some teammates getting his vote.

I would be shocked if he voted for more than 2 of his teammates

[VOTE: unvote nut, vote 112] aubergine

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:46 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:27 am Yeah, of the top wagons Imma say Sabie is Dizzy's partner.

Why is Porscha getting no attention?
Because I declared Porscha as garanteed town.

Meta? Or sumfin' else?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:28 am i just doubt it's as simple as the captain picking the strongest scum players

Who's doing that?

Yeah, of the top wagons Imma say Sabie is Dizzy's partner.

Why is Porscha getting no attention?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:19 am today's a good day to kill mac and nutella and alexa and sloonei and flip four wolves if wolves chose people and not roles

Mac needs far more attention IMO

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:18 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:16 am
sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:15 am So

Wilgy
Papopa
Sig
Sabie

Maybe TSP

Shouldn’t be chopped/moved to next round.
I have a nagging feeling that Dizzy had 1 teammate in the top wagons. He would want some town cred for a Maf flip
Numerically I guess could see one, since again if only one mafia moves into a round of 8 with 4 dead they can still save them.

It just kinda seems like with my limited reading that people are being very like disengaged almost when it comes to the fact we could loose four civs soon

I don't disagree. Imma take a closer look at the top wagons and see what I can see

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:17 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:12 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:09 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm

Actually, you're probably fine.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm

This is wolfy
hmmmmmmmmmmm
I don't know if MR does all that as mafia, it's like icky fake comforting? But actually, it's probably nothing or not really AI.
I think it's an easy wolf post if Alexa is town.
Also the Dizzy Woogy cross post on MR.

Nice. [VOTE: MR] aubergine
Highly doubt MR is Maf. Meta claim on MR being town
Hmm...

Aye, but I think I've seen MR play like this as both town and wolf. So at least there's nothing discernable to me.

What is the key difference that I haven't seen yet.

It's his tone and earnestness. It's hard to describe exactly, but I'll be shocked if he's Maf

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:15 am So

Wilgy
Papopa
Sig
Sabie

Maybe TSP

Shouldn’t be chopped/moved to next round.

I have a nagging feeling that Dizzy had 1 teammate in the top wagons. He would want some town cred for a Maf flip

[VOTE: UNVOTe wilgy, vote c4] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:09 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:12 pm I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show
Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show
Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

Actually, you're probably fine.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:12 pm I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show
Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show
Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

This is wolfy
hmmmmmmmmmmm
I don't know if MR does all that as mafia, it's like icky fake comforting? But actually, it's probably nothing or not really AI.
I think it's an easy wolf post if Alexa is town.
Also the Dizzy Woogy cross post on MR.

Nice. [VOTE: MR] aubergine

Highly doubt MR is Maf. Meta claim on MR being town

[VOTE: P&G] aubergine

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:03 am
sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:58 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:12 am On page 16 or something

Town:
Alexa
Guillo
Sean
Marmot
Belzy
Ilario

This list could probably be longer, but these are the people I care more about.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:20 am We should not chop Marmot D1. He's probably town and in any case his alignment will show, and I'd rather have him around if he's town.
I know marmot is dead, but this shows some heavy team defense going on I could see that being a agreed mafia strategy and definitely think who dizzy pushed to save should be eyed
From the list Dizzy posted, I think only guillo would be under the maybe scum category.

Ilario is incredibly unlikely because he shot dizzy
Alexa is towny and I townread their reaction for the alison shot.
sean is confirmed.
and belzy was heavily scumreading dizzy

Oh, Ilario shot Dizzy?

[VOTE: UNVOTE ILARIO] aubergine

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:03 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:08 pm For the record, I'm not really up for the Nut paranoia. I also should not make decision based on wants. But I really do believe she has been quite towny, also meta wise. I usually read Nut pretty well. Only thing that gives me pause is the info that her role is a good scum pick.
I think we should go for Nutella

Agreed

[VOTE: HK, sabie, wilgy, sloon, creature, ilario, belzy, nutella] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:53 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:51 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:49 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:48 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:47 pm [VOTE: 112 Wilgy Paopan TSP Sabie Sig] aubergine

Suddenly I have votes to spare but that's ok
There's prolly at max 2 teammates in this list
Why do you say that. Explain please.
Dizzy does not like to bus. Especially if the team has no reason to do so, and w/ only 1 Maf down at this stage, it's not likely that Dizzy would bus outside of necessity
Then why would Dizzy include any wolf in that list? I thought you had reads on any of them names.

He may not have, I'm of the opinion that there's 1-2 teammates in the list, likely just 1.

My pick would be sabie

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:49 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:48 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:47 pm [VOTE: 112 Wilgy Paopan TSP Sabie Sig] aubergine

Suddenly I have votes to spare but that's ok
There's prolly at max 2 teammates in this list
Why do you say that. Explain please.

Dizzy does not like to bus. Especially if the team has no reason to do so, and w/ only 1 Maf down at this stage, it's not likely that Dizzy would bus outside of necessity

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:07 pm I don't like the thought of Wilgy being town, but that's not a good way to solve. So I think we should give him the floor a bit today and solve.

Anyway, I should've been sleeping, so I'll attempt to do that and definitely not think of something game related in 10 minutes and start posting again

Wilgy has good teammate potential

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:47 pm [VOTE: 112 Wilgy Paopan TSP Sabie Sig] aubergine

Suddenly I have votes to spare but that's ok

There's prolly at max 2 teammates in this list

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:20 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pm Pao, Ender

1 or both is Maf
Can someone whose good at reading falcon gimme a read on him? I feel like he’s always out of the loop regardless of alignment and it’s hard for me to relay when it’s genuine or not until he gets more involved

I am excellent at reading falcon. He's lock town, never rescind

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:02 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:13 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:45 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:30 pm why are people considering dizzy scummy? i'm still in process of rring but i do not see this at all and historically i have a very good read on them, if that matters
I'm thinking because they were defending marmot who flipped mafia. I don't know if that's a norm for them though to defend a teammate like that.
I know Dizzy doesn't like bussing teammates, especially early on
This was the one notable thing from falcon about dizzy stating that he doesn't like to bus teammates early on.

You do realize your defense of Dizzy makes you 2 look partnered?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:52 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:51 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:50 pm MR is single this is my moment
Back off, I've been trying to date him for years
But but but im gayer

Prolly, but I'm a quick study

I made it!

Falcon 1, Blizzard 0

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:04 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:30 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm If someone asks me one more time 'are you actually a wolf/wolfing' I'm gonna do something drastic like eat a whole sandwich.
Eating an entire sandwich isn’t that hard.
Yeah, but MR has no teeth and a gluten sensitivity
but is he town?

I believe so

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:49 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:46 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:44 pm I was trying to do my work but you idiots keep distracting me.

Falcon it's not me who can't eat gluten, it's my wife.
I just assumed you were single, and she's a figment of your imagination
okay but where are we at?
Imma 'bout to drive in a blizzard, and you are safely snuggled in the eternal ether of awesome

Wish me luck
it's probably best that i don't lest you rely on it too much and forget the aspect of paying attention

Good call.

Besides, I am guided by a force much greater than luck.

Skill

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:50 pm MR is single this is my moment

Back off, I've been trying to date him for years

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:46 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:44 pm I was trying to do my work but you idiots keep distracting me.

Falcon it's not me who can't eat gluten, it's my wife.
I just assumed you were single, and she's a figment of your imagination
okay but where are we at?

Imma 'bout to drive in a blizzard, and you are safely snuggled in the eternal ether of awesome

Wish me luck

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:44 pm I was trying to do my work but you idiots keep distracting me.

Falcon it's not me who can't eat gluten, it's my wife.

I just assumed you were single, and she's a figment of your imagination

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:24 pm [VOTE: Pao] aubergine

Can't tell if Falcon diff check or memes.

I don't have a check on Pao

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:30 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm If someone asks me one more time 'are you actually a wolf/wolfing' I'm gonna do something drastic like eat a whole sandwich.
Eating an entire sandwich isn’t that hard.

Yeah, but MR has no teeth and a gluten sensitivity

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:30 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:28 pm Creature has mostly stood to the side shaking their head at us and commenting on how bad things are going.

In a vacuum that's scummy, but it seems lots of people have meta and I do not.
I've been one of the players throwing reads the most

That's exactly what a wolf would say to justify their towniness

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:28 pm Creature has mostly stood to the side shaking their head at us and commenting on how bad things are going.

In a vacuum that's scummy, but it seems lots of people have meta and I do not.

I concur, Creature def making me sus right meow

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:26 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:25 pm I don't think it's possible that the entire seanzie wagon was town so there must be at least some mafia there. There are 3 people who didn't vote or voted a dead player sig creature and porsha. I recognize people think my vote is scummy but I scum read wilgy and I wasn't able to be here til right before EOD for irl reasons. I came back to pure chaos and a seanzie wagon that didn't feel good at all.

yep

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:25 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:24 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pm Pao, Ender

1 or both is Maf
ender is dead town
Sweet, Pao lock Maf then
Why Pao lock mafia?
Pao didn't seem that bad yesterday aside from the Sean wagon.

It's tongue in cheek

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pm Pao, Ender

1 or both is Maf
Bruh

Yo

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pm Pao, Ender

1 or both is Maf
ender is dead town

Sweet, Pao lock Maf then

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pm Yesterday's EOD wagons were NAA, Ender, Wilgy and Seanzie

It's very possible they were all town

This guy could be Maf too

Pao, Ender

1 or both is Maf

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm If someone asks me one more time 'are you actually a wolf/wolfing' I'm gonna do something drastic like eat a whole sandwich.

Oh snap, your gluten allergy will flair up!

Nah, MR is town. I can feel it...calling in the air tonight.

Hold on

We could all vote Ender

112 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:54 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:53 pm This is not a productive CFD session tbh.
that's because i'm the only one on falc

But he's town.

And self resolving

Oh shit, we pod racing???

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:33 pm All scum are lurking is my guess and have not had takes on this nonsense

I've been wondering that myself

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:29 pm Can we remove all discussion of NAA simply trolling until we’ve seen NAA’s role flip? Just for thread health?

Agreed

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:21 pm Why, we are so divided.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:07 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:03 pm I still believe NAA might just flip town and we're going tonight with 5 town dead and only one wolf dead. Would much rather we try to lynch wolf today to make up for the losses.
And who is a more garanteed wolf than Axe?

Wofly

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:11 pm Makes more sense that NAA is 3P than mafia

Agreed

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:00 pm If NAAs role forces him to fake red checks, I'd wager he's 3P/Not Town Aligned

I'd like him to clear up if he did it for the lulz or had no choice.

Perhaps he has and I missed it
I'm using my role. I have no obligation to do anything. My judgment call on Alison / the shot was wrong. It was a fair use of my role, not a deliberate attempt to throw people off.

True, you have no obligation.

Sometimes it helps tho if town, ya know...works together?

I'm not gonna lose sleep over Alison getting shot, I was fine w/ lynching her. Likewise, I won't lose sleep if you get VKd either for what happened.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:03 pm I still believe NAA might just flip town and we're going tonight with 5 town dead and only one wolf dead. Would much rather we try to lynch wolf today to make up for the losses.

I mean, I dunno...

I try to lynch Maf every RD, regardless of Town losses.

Just a strange thing to say IMO

Like, are there days when you'd rather we not try and lynch scum?

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