The Syndicate

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:58 am Like if it is MightyQ, I’m hoping Paopan can figure it out and turn things around.

Why don't you take a look at Mac's read on Pao?

CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:29 am So MissC, I'm sure there's a wolf in you/Paopan.
If you're the villager, you're going to have to help me see the light so we can end this game preferably today.

I feel MissC is town here.

Having a lynch unsolvable town/low poster strategy, yet having MightyQ has your #1 town...

Makes no sense at all

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:17 am To be honest. Regardless of alignment
I would never kill both players as the interaction of both amuses me since the beginning of this game. I love having both players up the very late stages of the game.
It goes against my principles on killing the interesting players. As I have shown in my day 1 actions.
I would rather lynch AFK/low-poster, unsolvable town player instead of a scumleaning one because of their d1 statements.

That's all for today.
Hope this statement clears me from your scum list (except to MC and Falcon).

You would rather lynch a low poster? Then why are you off MightyQ?

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:13 am I don't listen and require feedbacks from my 99% wolf.
Just turbo MC for today so we can move forward.

So scummy

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:49 am honestly falcon today just feels like bleeding heart town. i know if he's scum in this position he needs to try to be as towny as he possibly can to try and pull this out so i may just be giving him an incorrect townread based on that effort but i'm just not voting him today. there's absolutely no way he deserves to die before pao or mightyQ. if i get to a f3 with falcon i'll cross that bridge then

Pocket accepted.

Given some other reads on my slot, I think if MissC were scum it would be easy to start pressuring me at this point.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:07 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:55 pm And yes, explain the benfit of my killing LC who town cored me, pushing my partner Wilgy, and then killing Mac, who also town cored me.

Yeah. OK.

But tunnel away. I expect no less...Jesus fuck, you tunneled Mac the whole damn time like a badger, but yeah. You've got the right reads.

FFS
Yeah it’s true I was wrong on Mac, I realized that once he voted away from his solve that I found invalid. Still do but Wilgy flipped wolf so eh.

What’s wrong with killing someone who town cores you lol?
You would gain town credit and look better.

Hmm, I’ll play along.
As wolf, who would you have killed?

I would've killed you, because you're not a likely lynch candidate this RD and you've been annoying AF

Oh yeah, so when people town core you and die, it actually becomes easier to get lynched because the people who think you're town are no longer alive to defend your slot.

Just tunnel me to death dude. You're incapable of doing anything different.

OK, that buzzword in school crack was a lil snarky, and I'm sorry. I'm a bit frustrated at other elements in this game and I took it out on you.

For real tho, I'm asking you to join the game. That's a lousy reason to scum read me.

MightyQ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:38 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:18 am
MightyQ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:16 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:11 am MightyQ needs to actually join the game at this stage
The reason is, this game isn't my forte of deducing things. I prefer to have cold hard evidence from roles, but I don't have that and tbh I was kinda thrust into this game. That said, I think it's you as well Falcon, you or Miss Carosel.
Are you able to give 3 reasons why both MissC & I are scum?
1. MC was very aggrrsive in some posts, more than usual.
2. Yer still pushing on me even though I've been derp cleared on several occasions
3. Call it a hunch, every single one of the deductions can be summed up to carefully-placed hunches, and you two are my hunches. I don't like the way suddenly stuff is blowing back, but I am pretty sure it's one of you two by the way yer responding to this.

Derp clears don't mean squat to me, and you bringing them up as a defense is scummy.

I've pretty clearly said you're null, and I want you to get in the game and contribute. You think you can sit on the side lines and not be in the POE? Get real

It's not the first time you've brought up the term deductions. Is that a new buzz word in school?

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:20 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:17 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:09 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:07 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:57 pm Not voting today: Gav, CR, Porscha.

POE: MissC, MightyQ, Pao
Logically speaking, out of my PoV. For everyone. This is how the PoE should be.

MC> Falcon=Paopan

I do believe MC is the correct lynch for today.
As for the next day. You can either lynch me or falcon. But I'll vote falcon.
How do you see Wilgy and I as partners?
That's another day problem. If MC flips mafia today. Game ends.
As for the latter. A 2 wolves game generally plays it via 2 lone wolves. They would never wolfpack in the first 3 days!!
By that logic, Mac should've been his partner also, as Mac was townread by Wilgy and Mac pushed Wilgy.

It's probably a player Wilgy didn't have a lot of contact or strong reads/interactions

I'm a bit torn between you & MissC tbh
Uhh... You forgot that DrWigly is scumreading/voted me?
That's why I deduce that MC should be the L for today

I guess? Not really tho

Wilgy's pushes were a lot more focused on Porscha & Gav IIRC

MightyQ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:16 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:11 am MightyQ needs to actually join the game at this stage
The reason is, this game isn't my forte of deducing things. I prefer to have cold hard evidence from roles, but I don't have that and tbh I was kinda thrust into this game. That said, I think it's you as well Falcon, you or Miss Carosel.

Are you able to give 3 reasons why both MissC & I are scum?

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:09 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:07 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:57 pm Not voting today: Gav, CR, Porscha.

POE: MissC, MightyQ, Pao
Logically speaking, out of my PoV. For everyone. This is how the PoE should be.

MC> Falcon=Paopan

I do believe MC is the correct lynch for today.
As for the next day. You can either lynch me or falcon. But I'll vote falcon.
How do you see Wilgy and I as partners?
That's another day problem. If MC flips mafia today. Game ends.
As for the latter. A 2 wolves game generally plays it via 2 lone wolves. They would never wolfpack in the first 3 days!!

By that logic, Mac should've been his partner also, as Mac was townread by Wilgy and Mac pushed Wilgy.

It's probably a player Wilgy didn't have a lot of contact or strong reads/interactions

I'm a bit torn between you & MissC tbh

MightyQ needs to actually join the game at this stage

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:07 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:57 pm Not voting today: Gav, CR, Porscha.

POE: MissC, MightyQ, Pao
Logically speaking, out of my PoV. For everyone. This is how the PoE should be.

MC> Falcon=Paopan

I do believe MC is the correct lynch for today.
As for the next day. You can either lynch me or falcon. But I'll vote falcon.

How do you see Wilgy and I as partners?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:01 am who would have benefitted the most by killing mac?

In the scenario where me and wilgy are both wolf, mac was one of the only people townreading me so I wouldn't have a good reason to off him if wilgy flipped instead of me - which was is what happened

The two most obvious ones would be Pao & MissC. Mac pushed Pao all game, and after Wilgy's lynch Mac also expressed suspension of MissC, tho that was scaled back right before his death.

Pao is the most obvious one who stood to gain. Tho I don't think that's how we should solve this RD necessarily

Not voting today: Gav, CR, Porscha.

POE: MissC, MightyQ, Pao

And yes, explain the benfit of my killing LC who town cored me, pushing my partner Wilgy, and then killing Mac, who also town cored me.

Yeah. OK.

But tunnel away. I expect no less...Jesus fuck, you tunneled Mac the whole damn time like a badger, but yeah. You've got the right reads.

FFS

Hedging on Wilgy as a ML.

But please! Tell us, oh Gav, how you had the hard scum read on Wilgy, yup it was all you buddy.

I pushed Wilgy. Not you, you hedged the whole damn time.

But whatever you need to tell yourself to feel like you're important

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:16 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:00 pm Falcon voting on Porch would make for an interesting 2 way tie ngl.

Probably both Ml’s but nothing is convincing me Wilgy is town where there is at least something on Por.

I think they both ML because I can’t get over the fact I think your wolf with Falcon.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:43 pm Idk man. I’d say that’s a pretty damn good read I have

You actually were pretty hesitant to join the Wilgy wagon, but sure, believe whatever you want

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:04 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:24 pm Yes they can both still be mafia.

Are they? Probably not.
Could I have a list from you that has most to least likely town?
I read Wilgy's iso and he's made an effort to spew everyone clear to some degree. He solidly kept Falcon in his townlist the entire game in spite of Falcon pushing him. Given how washed he was I would have expected him to try to spew him.

Essentially I have no idea of an order. There's still work to do.
I feel like Wilgy paid very little attention to MissC. A couple blind town reads w/o follow up or push.

Take a look and see if you notice it as well
I kinda just feel like she's town tbh. I've felt Paopan was pretty anti town most of the game.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:39 pm They also town told not to mention Mac literally said they were town telling as well and vibed with them.

Mac literally said that Pao is wolf

Gav's reads are so bad, he must be town.

[VOTE: Pao] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:04 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:24 pm Yes they can both still be mafia.

Are they? Probably not.
Could I have a list from you that has most to least likely town?
I read Wilgy's iso and he's made an effort to spew everyone clear to some degree. He solidly kept Falcon in his townlist the entire game in spite of Falcon pushing him. Given how washed he was I would have expected him to try to spew him.

Essentially I have no idea of an order. There's still work to do.
I feel like Wilgy paid very little attention to MissC. A couple blind town reads w/o follow up or push.

Take a look and see if you notice it as well
I kinda just feel like she's town tbh. I've felt Paopan was pretty anti town most of the game.

Well, Pao is in my solve too. Thoughts on MightyQ?

Their ISO is strange

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:25 pm i would imagine wilgy didn't want to push me because i was pretty universally townread up until eod2 and i was townreading him and the simplest thing to do is just let the universally townread player who is townreading you keep doing so.

i had like 4 people at least that i preferred over wilgy yesterday and was clearly absent from the game for a while so i wasn't really going to reevaluate yesterday. had he stayed alive and we flipped porscha town obviously today is a different case.

OK. I'm not diametrically opposed to you being town.

You must be able to see your partner equity w/ Wilgy tho

According to my Fitbit, I have burned 9K calories today.

Yippi ki ya muthafucka

MightyQ has some...strange posts. The 2nd one...I don't get it.

Yeah there's scum equity there, but they just feel like...confused town

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:19 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:17 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:41 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:38 pm sig is a fucking insane kill here. i'm not voting gavial or mac today because i'm not knocking out the most active players on d1 of a mountainous game. CR almost qualifies for this even though i scumlean him because he is participating in the thread and is helpful for us if town, but i'm still fine killing him today.

killing sig makes no god damn sense. cool, 20% chance we hit a wolf with a completely blind shot. if we hit a town we literally gain the least information possible and we just lose a kill for no reason. it's a complete unforced error. killing sig is a completely -ev play
I see... Well CR pinged me earlier. I'll entertain that.

[VOTE: CR] aubergine
this is a dogshit post if me and wilgy are partnered lol
Interesting that you're upset at the Sig kill, of which Wilgy was a part, but don't push his slot
the way he self pres'd is perfectly acceptable as town. (it was 2/2/2, he was the second wagon, and he was voting the third already.) i didn't and still don't really consider him responsible for sig's death in the same way as gav and pao

See, I agree that his self pres wasn't damming in and if itself, and I said as much.

But you never really revisit his slot at all, and then vote someone not on the Sig wagon.

I find it suspicious. Frankly I feel you both used kid gloves on each other

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:15 pm MissC, Pao

I'll look at other worlds after those two flips. Feels like the solve tho
say some words about MightyQ

I've got nothing really, they're pretty firmly null for me rn

I'll give them an ISO

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:41 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:38 pm sig is a fucking insane kill here. i'm not voting gavial or mac today because i'm not knocking out the most active players on d1 of a mountainous game. CR almost qualifies for this even though i scumlean him because he is participating in the thread and is helpful for us if town, but i'm still fine killing him today.

killing sig makes no god damn sense. cool, 20% chance we hit a wolf with a completely blind shot. if we hit a town we literally gain the least information possible and we just lose a kill for no reason. it's a complete unforced error. killing sig is a completely -ev play
I see... Well CR pinged me earlier. I'll entertain that.

[VOTE: CR] aubergine
this is a dogshit post if me and wilgy are partnered lol

Interesting that you're upset at the Sig kill, of which Wilgy was a part, but don't push his slot

MissC, Pao

I'll look at other worlds after those two flips. Feels like the solve tho

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:04 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:24 pm Yes they can both still be mafia.

Are they? Probably not.
Could I have a list from you that has most to least likely town?
I read Wilgy's iso and he's made an effort to spew everyone clear to some degree. He solidly kept Falcon in his townlist the entire game in spite of Falcon pushing him. Given how washed he was I would have expected him to try to spew him.

Essentially I have no idea of an order. There's still work to do.

I feel like Wilgy paid very little attention to MissC. A couple blind town reads w/o follow up or push.

Take a look and see if you notice it as well

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:33 pm I wanna feel important!

Vanity

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:56 am
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:00 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:02 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote
Odd.

Why would the loss of Dr Wilgy, if town, hurt a lot? By his own admission he's not been very engaged this game
i find that he says a lot of things that line up well with my thinking so i would like to keep him around if town
Can you be more specific? Do you have 3 examples of insights Wilgy has had that line up w/ your thinking?
i can but i’m on mobile so it’ll have to wait
Are you able to give us those 3 examples of Wilgy insights that lined up w/ your thinking?
had similar progression on CR as me, quoted same set of porscha posts that made me scumread them, wanted pao dead.

poe was pao/gav/porscha/MQ all of whom i wouldn't have really shed a tear at dying yesterday.

What's your take on Porscha & Pao now?

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:44 pm Like I’m pretty sure you sheeped his vote twice.

You mean when I voted for you?

For reasons

I've explained

....ad.....fucking.....nauseum

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:44 pm That and I think their might have been 1 other thing as well.

While I admit Miss Caro’s choice of wording looks worse, you give off a worse vibe IMO.

As I said, tunnel away.

Frankly I'll be shocked if you don't

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:37 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:19 pm That’s kinda rude saying I’m “annoying AF” but ok.

You did say though you share allot of the same opinions with Wilgy, I remember that.
Would you prefer it if I lied to you and said I've enjoyed your playstyle this game?
No I’d rather you said “Gavial your going a little over bored aggro this game just try to chill it a bit for the rest of the game ok?”

Something similar to that is fine.

Fair enough

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:39 pm Alrighty, caught up.

Sig vote at last second was absolutely disgusting and Gav has been TMI'ing me for the past 9 pages.

Mac's read is bad but I'm not sure if it's coming from a wolf mindset.

Town:
MC
LC
Falcon

PoE:
Porscha
Pao
MightyQ
Gav/Mac
This list lines up with my own pretty closely.

Why did you vote Sig?

I imagine this is what Gav is talking about re: "you and Wilgy share a lot of the same opinions"

If you think this is the same as MissC's "i find that he says a lot of things that line up well with my thinking so i would like to keep him around if town"

Then tunnel away good sir.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:19 pm That’s kinda rude saying I’m “annoying AF” but ok.

You did say though you share allot of the same opinions with Wilgy, I remember that.

Would you prefer it if I lied to you and said I've enjoyed your playstyle this game?

I feel I have been VERY CLEAR why I have voted you Gav.

You have been a very trying player to work with this game. Straight up annoying AF. I know I'm not the only one who's having this experience with you this game.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:10 pm Lol Falcon you said the exact same thing.
That’s why you voted me with him remember?

What are you talking about? Can you quote?

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:00 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:02 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote
Odd.

Why would the loss of Dr Wilgy, if town, hurt a lot? By his own admission he's not been very engaged this game
i find that he says a lot of things that line up well with my thinking so i would like to keep him around if town
Can you be more specific? Do you have 3 examples of insights Wilgy has had that line up w/ your thinking?
i can but i’m on mobile so it’ll have to wait

Are you able to give us those 3 examples of Wilgy insights that lined up w/ your thinking?

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:00 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:02 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote
Odd.

Why would the loss of Dr Wilgy, if town, hurt a lot? By his own admission he's not been very engaged this game
i find that he says a lot of things that line up well with my thinking so i would like to keep him around if town
Can you be more specific? Do you have 3 examples of insights Wilgy has had that line up w/ your thinking?
i can but i’m on mobile so it’ll have to wait

Extra curious what you have to say now

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:27 pm wilgy two times tried to call gavial and I wolf teammates and he tried to push Gavial a lot d2 so tbh I'd probably vote you over gavial lmao

Haha, fair.

I feel we've got the solve tho

Yeah, I'm of the mind it's MissC as well

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:23 pm best to not think about it

D1 was easy for Pao to join as Maf, and even easier for Wilgy for the self prez

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:19 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:18 pm If it's not MissC Pao, then we're in deep wolf territory and NKs will be a huge factor.
if its not them it's just gavial whomst bussed lol

Given the RNG factor bussing Wilgy's wagon isn't as town cred as it could be.

Still think he's Town tho.

Honestly, if it goes down to F3 and you, Gav & I are alive? Not sure who of you I'd choose right now

If it's not MissC Pao, then we're in deep wolf territory and NKs will be a huge factor.

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