The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:23 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:17 pm I would suggest in the future for post count stuff dont let people go over it ended up kind off defeating the purpose imo.

^^^^^

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:51 pm Suggestion for sitewide standard definition of what's angleshooting, OGI, punishment, compensation, etc

Open-ended community discussion. I propose a sitewide standard set of rules that should be applied to all games by default. These rules ought to be linked by every host in their game, both in the sign-up thread and in the OP of the thread. Hosts should have the right to remove/add/change any of these rules, but they need to be explicit and specific.

Please, give your thoughts, suggestions, concerns, etc:

Here are my suggestions:

"Angleshooting" is the act of doing something unsportsmanlike. An angleshot/dirty/OGI read or speculation is something that you have acquired outside from the in-game mafia thread from all the players, in the way the game is supposed to be played, but in another way, outside from the game thread and/or from the host.

-You should not mention that you have angleshooty/OGI reads. You should never mention the word "angleshoot" in a post period. If you attain one, make up another reason to justify the read or speculation, something that's tied to in-game stuff that other people can engage with. If you claim that "I have a dirty read on X and I can't say why" - nobody can engage with this, and I don't believe it's fair. Or rather, it's inconvenient for scum players to have to start saying they have dirty reads from time to time in their repertoaire in order to balance things out. It takes away from the Mafia experience imo if a balanced metagame would be when both factions end up saying they have inexplainable dirty reads from tiem to time. And the mafia can't naturally attain dirty angleshoot reads since they already have TMI. So I think the better variant of balanced metagame is if nobody can talk about it.

-Do not respond to other people mentioning anything regarding angleshooting, because things can have a domino effect. Just alert the mod and pretend the post doesn't exist

-Hosts should not respond to people's posts in the thread. Some hosts can be unintentionally biased to respond to setup related questions to members of the town who genuinely dont understand the setup, but if a member of the mafia tries to fake a derp clear or something, or feign ignorance about setup related thing, the host might be biased because they know that person is feigning the ignorance and forget to respond to it. The host, if they wish to interact with the players in their game, needs to constantly remind themselves that they shouldn't have TMI. I think slip-ups can happen as a result of this, so I don't believe hosts should ever directly respond to posts. If they wish to answer or say anything they should publicly say, without quoting any posts:

"Question: bla bla bla"
"Answer: bla bla bla"

And remind people not to interact with the post.

-The players should not interact with the host ITT in any way. They should not ping them with questions, they should ask privately. The reasoning is that discord is widely used for mafia chats, and a lot of people, i think, find it more convenient to type out a quick question there in wolf chat where they might be spending a lot of time regardless, than to get on the forum and ping the host there. From the way host and player talk ITT it is also possible to generate angleshooty reads. So I believe player/host public communication should be banned.

-Do not refer to mod communication. That's obvious, but:

-When having to refer to mod communication because you have no other choice (for instance, you need to ask the host on clarification on your role): Do not say "I asked tutuu and she told me this and this and that". If you repeatedly casually mention the host and the way you talked to them and what you asked them your tone/your sentence structure can generate OGI reads. Do not say that you asked the host anything. But the biggest part is the timing of you saying this itt. Let's say a scum player dies, and their role PM flips something unexpected. If a player were to say "I just asked tutuu and she told me this and this and that about this scum flip" - then that player is angleshooting themselves as town imo, because mafia are likely to already know the information about this scum flip, and they wouldn't ask the host right now. So that player is town who is angleshooting themselves town, or if they're mafia, they're consciously trying to get themselves townread based off of people thinking that - oh hey, this person asked the host, it means they are town. This whole thing devolves from the Mafia experience, this isn't Mafia.
So instead, you should say "I was told that blah blah blah" - hosts giving clarifications themselves, regardless of whether or not prompted by a question seem more safe to me / I think there is less danger of dirty reads being generated.

-Do not mention ongoing games, do not interact with them in any way shape or form. Even if you're dead in one, if that game is not completed, pretend that it does not exist.

- i got tired of writing, i have more to say about compensation, modkills, etc. just this for now

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:53 am so prob gonna be my last post on syndicate for a while

feeling pretty sad that I can kind of corroborate esooa's feelings on a lot of stuff.

tunneling is fine, but when you start acting like the person you're pushing is outed scum (i think the worse point is saying it too), it starts being obnoxious, to the point where omgus becomes a thing and for the right reasons too.

as a bystander, it also saps any will for me to play the game too. I hate arrogance that is translated into pushes. it can be very anti-villa, especially when you're wrong.

i just feel like everything would be simpler if we didn't have to flex our every reads. i get memeing about it, but having to talk to somebody (that's a villa too) when they keep saying you're outed scum can be frustrating as hell. it saps them of any motivation to play the game. it's like you'd be on league and you start getting flamed. pretty much the same effect, any game applies for the most part.

but the break is more because i find myself not try harding as much as I used to before and prefer mashes over normals a lot more. i just read posts without any intent to sort anything, I read it for the sake of reading and catching up although I don't infer much from posts. probably a me fault at times too, must be burnout.

thanks for the ride frands, i enjoyed it. been fun. i'm working on "transferring" only to mashes and turbos because those are the most fun for me and rarely tilting.

please stay humble and don't be arrogant with pushes, because if you're wrong about it and also a villager, things like these can happen. be willing to reason it out and talk to everyone. state your cases and let your scum read breathe for a bit. acknowledge that there's a 75% chance you're wrong. be open to having your mind changed.

that's all <3

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:36 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:59 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:59 am Ok. I agree with you that no one in this game has been particularly townie. That's one reason I feel pretty scum vibes from syn. Idk how accurate I am in any of my reads, forum is harder to read in general imo, but I don't like how he comes to the thread to echo the opinions of Alison, who has been doing next to all of the work this game. I feel similarly about nanook but if he's rly just gonna be like that then what ever. But I feel like there's a good possibility wolves are fine just going along with Alison and not adding much. That's why I never really thought you were scummy too, because you did agree with Alison but you put your own thoughts into it.

me: I haven't said much because I don't want to echo people
esooa right after: syn is scummy because all he's doing is echoing people

smh

like posting a naked reads list that is the exact mood of the thread.. And you don't have anything to say that isn't just echoing people?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:59 am Ok. I agree with you that no one in this game has been particularly townie. That's one reason I feel pretty scum vibes from syn. Idk how accurate I am in any of my reads, forum is harder to read in general imo, but I don't like how he comes to the thread to echo the opinions of Alison, who has been doing next to all of the work this game. I feel similarly about nanook but if he's rly just gonna be like that then what ever. But I feel like there's a good possibility wolves are fine just going along with Alison and not adding much. That's why I never really thought you were scummy too, because you did agree with Alison but you put your own thoughts into it.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:51 am @Syn @Marmot sup bois where u at

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:35 pm I think its a general towntell for people who are in a new turf / not comfortable

Can u imagine a mafia player going in a brand new community, randing mafia, and claiming mafia as a joke?

I ust think most ppl would find it tok stressful unless theyre maybe a bit evil like me but esooa isnt evil like me shes an angel!!!

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:27 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:06 amHey all.

No weird posting style???

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tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:50 pm i just had this dream where we were playing some dnd/roleplaying game. nanook was the host and there were 4 players. alison (i subbed in for her), macdougall, syn, and 1 more person i forgot. mac kept complaining that im euro and new and i got increasingly frustrated at him, and as soon as we had started i wrote "tutuu anxiously started tapping her foot, looking around her" and before i hit enter nanook said "inb4 tutuu names her character after herself, that would be silly :P" and my frustration grew tenfold so i didnt wanna post anymore. syn was the only one who was nice to me. but then i woke up and i got worried if we're still playing and i felt bad cuz i didnt wanna just ditch the group so i kept thinking if i should open discord and ask ppl but i ~think~ it was a dream right. i wonder what it means. if its a prophecy for this game somehow

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:35 am @Syn come hug <3

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:53 am
Serious answer, technically yes but probably gonna end up hard scumsiding

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:21 pm i am glad too <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

you will have lots of opportunity to learn how to play mafia with me!!!

basically, observe what i'm doing, and do the complete opposite!!!!!

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:50 pm i just had this dream where we were playing some dnd/roleplaying game. nanook was the host and there were 4 players. alison (i subbed in for her), macdougall, syn, and 1 more person i forgot. mac kept complaining that im euro and new and i got increasingly frustrated at him, and as soon as we had started i wrote "tutuu anxiously started tapping her foot, looking around her" and before i hit enter nanook said "inb4 tutuu names her character after herself, that would be silly :P" and my frustration grew tenfold so i didnt wanna post anymore. syn was the only one who was nice to me. but then i woke up and i got worried if we're still playing and i felt bad cuz i didnt wanna just ditch the group so i kept thinking if i should open discord and ask ppl but i ~think~ it was a dream right. i wonder what it means. if its a prophecy for this game somehow

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:15 pm Hard claim mafia (I will not be rescinding) don't exe me.

Also hi @tutuu

Also I rescind my mafia claim