The Syndicate

why marmot

i was expecting svs tbh

postcapping to tell everyone that pie is terrible

thanks kiss kiss bye

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:47 pm If Syn is a wolf, I don't think w!Falcon ever votes him there.

why not

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:39 pm Syn - Purple

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:56 pm i for one won't be making her answer for anything uwu

okay epi/syn is possible lol fuck

it's more gradual 45ing. she breadcrumbed the switch for a while

i for one won't be making her answer for anything uwu

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:47 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:25 pm [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

I know you've been wolfreading me all game, but your vote really rubbed me wrong, more than Nutella's. I told you that your gut feel about me knowing that LC wasn't shielding me was bad because yes, I did know that as a VT. I've had tinfoil on you if Scotty is town because of how you've been sitting back and almost encouraging the fight, but now I really have that. Scotty's vote on me at least feels like he's holding himself accountable and when I flip town he's tunneled me hard enough that he looks terrible from it so I'm not sure he's a wolf. I feel like you're keeping your options open between me/Scotty.

the logic of this does not hold IMO. Scotty would look good and I would look bad based on this hypothetical

genuinely though thunal lol almost all of D2 has been about wolf-reading you or voting you, how is this a sudden pile.

I want to pad my posts so I can get to 140 and not worry about remembering how many posts I have for D3

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:41 pm I love egg salad sandwiches

I just finished all my egg salad

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:54 pm It's Thunal and SVS guys lol.

I have been town-reading SVS but this EOD and now Thunal's response makes a lot of sense with this world

it's an hour from EOD lol

Epi (2) - Marmot, Thunal
Syn (1) - Falcon
Thunal (3) - Scotty, Nutella, Syn

Hasn't voted: Epi, Rico, SVS

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:52 pm I’m aware of that thanks, and why would I even try? it’s not optimum anyhow, it was a desperation thing on my part. I don’t want to yeet low posters, but I do want us to work together.

My main point in trying was that I didn’t really like any of the options other people forced me into.

So I’m rapidly losing interest in caring who goes over since we’re all acting like a bunch of prima donnas rather than even trying to work together.

So sorry, I’m not feeling it either.

are we playing the same game?

I do empathize with being forced down a certain path though

I have entered the stage of indifference

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:41 pm Me neither. But I don’t want to vote Thunal or Syn, and don’t think the case on Epi is strong.

I thought you suspected Epi?

nutella's vote forces you into picking one of the three

even if you convince me, and epi, to stack on rico, rico can just tie his wagon with either epi or thunal

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Epi (2) - Marmot, Thunal
Syn (1) - Falcon
Thunal (2) - Scotty, Nutella

Hasn't voted: Epi, Rico, SVS, Syn

I don't understand you either

I don't understand you

a legitimate wolf case on rico's slot would be that a villager wouldn't do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the game, whereas a wolf would if their partner told them to just drag out the "leave the slot alone until it's handled by the host" approach (which I have the been the leader of, self admittedly) as long as possible

a problem for tomorrow I guess

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:31 pm D1 I thought marmot was mafia but I now feel that I'm wrong as of know I have no suspensions

is this really going to be it

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:35 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:32 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:23 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:44 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:16 am @Syn so even though I’m committed to this thunal tunnel, and I think I’m correct,

When you said earlier that you think there is (more or less) a difference check between us, are you still trying to make up your mind on which of us is bad, or are you recanting that?

Like do you think there is a world in which both of us are town?

I mean, of course there's a world where that could be true

I... feel it's unlikely. the way you two have gone at it does not feel like theatre, and enough holes are being poked into both your approaches to the game by separate people that there is something amiss. during D1 I interpreted this as an awkward team, but during D2 it has seemed more directly oppositional

could be good acting, I guess. but for now I'm content with the simpler read that one of you has the other one pegged

I could explain why I want to flip thunal first but the logic of it is terrible and will make me look silly, so instead I'll just look at you alluringly and hope it does the trick

Have you never seen an aggressive town/town tunnel war? I would have thought we all have. You should have been here back in the day when Dharma Helper and I regularly eviscerated each other as t/t almost every game. It traumatized both of us into quitting Mafia for varying amounts of time lol. He's a great guy, but we just couldn't vibe in thread.

T/T doesn't involve acting. You really really believe it. I 100% think Scotty believes what he's saying about Thunal, it's part of why I think he's town. I can't understand a world where Scotty does this for any reason as a wolf. I also think Thunal believes it, but is prolly more willing to be flexible.

But really, being unwilling to be flexible and work with each other is why town loses all the time. We're all on mini crusades of one.

OK, off soapbox, gotta go make dinner, back to finish catching up shortly.

Linki, lol, and there she goes being all flexible. @Thunal33 , do you think there is any value to the wolves in how Scotty is acting *if he is a wolf*? I really don't see why a savvy wolf with a savvy teammate (and this games roster is all savvy players) would lock himself in so so hard to yeet one person. It's a suicide mission, and the last time he did it, in Don't Starve, he got himself yeeted for it. I don't imagine, if he was bad, he would choose that as a good, winning strategy.

at this point SVS I do not really know how to respond to you. every post you make about/to me can be summarized as "have you considered that you could think something else if things were different?"

if this is leading up to "scotty/thunal are town and syn is a wolf," can we please just skip to that instead of going through this dance?

No, I'm just trying to understand your perspective, and maybe see if you'll understand mine. I do think they are t/t though. But that doesn't have anything to do with you, I'm just trying to get people to maybe see a different perspective.

if they're t/t, who's really left? what's the team? have wolves stepped aside to let town violence transpire or were they instrumental in causing it?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:23 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:44 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:16 am @Syn so even though I’m committed to this thunal tunnel, and I think I’m correct,

When you said earlier that you think there is (more or less) a difference check between us, are you still trying to make up your mind on which of us is bad, or are you recanting that?

Like do you think there is a world in which both of us are town?

I mean, of course there's a world where that could be true

I... feel it's unlikely. the way you two have gone at it does not feel like theatre, and enough holes are being poked into both your approaches to the game by separate people that there is something amiss. during D1 I interpreted this as an awkward team, but during D2 it has seemed more directly oppositional

could be good acting, I guess. but for now I'm content with the simpler read that one of you has the other one pegged

I could explain why I want to flip thunal first but the logic of it is terrible and will make me look silly, so instead I'll just look at you alluringly and hope it does the trick

Have you never seen an aggressive town/town tunnel war? I would have thought we all have. You should have been here back in the day when Dharma Helper and I regularly eviscerated each other as t/t almost every game. It traumatized both of us into quitting Mafia for varying amounts of time lol. He's a great guy, but we just couldn't vibe in thread.

T/T doesn't involve acting. You really really believe it. I 100% think Scotty believes what he's saying about Thunal, it's part of why I think he's town. I can't understand a world where Scotty does this for any reason as a wolf. I also think Thunal believes it, but is prolly more willing to be flexible.

But really, being unwilling to be flexible and work with each other is why town loses all the time. We're all on mini crusades of one.

OK, off soapbox, gotta go make dinner, back to finish catching up shortly.

Linki, lol, and there she goes being all flexible. @Thunal33 , do you think there is any value to the wolves in how Scotty is acting *if he is a wolf*? I really don't see why a savvy wolf with a savvy teammate (and this games roster is all savvy players) would lock himself in so so hard to yeet one person. It's a suicide mission, and the last time he did it, in Don't Starve, he got himself yeeted for it. I don't imagine, if he was bad, he would choose that as a good, winning strategy.

at this point SVS I do not really know how to respond to you. every post you make about/to me can be summarized as "have you considered that you could think something else if things were different?"

if this is leading up to "scotty/thunal are town and syn is a wolf," can we please just skip to that instead of going through this dance?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:55 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

There's nothing I love more than other people deciding what the wagons are gonna be in a game with this set up without discussing it. My favorite freaking thing.

I am not the one that voted for her, nor am I the one who voted for epi

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:43 pm Linki,

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:39 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:31 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:10 pm the more I see thunal and scotty interact, the more I consider the idea that they are different alignments from one another instead of teamed

could not tell you who's which though

This is a very specific thought, and I'm not sure how you would arrive at it.

Why do you think this, since if they are civ, neither would know the others alignment, yet at the time you make this post, you can't say which is which?

Could it be possible they *believe* they are different alignments from each other?

it is a progression from my original thought that they are teamed, to thinking that their interacting is less theatre and more genuine casing/arguing

I don't understand the second question. it seems like something that answers itself?

That was poorly worded on my part.

If they don't seem teamed, why was your first thought "opposite alignments" as opposed to "possibly t/t", if you didn't know which to think was which?

again this seems to answer itself. I independently consider them both wolfy, so t/t would not be my initial conclusion

could they be? sure? I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow but probably not

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:31 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:10 pm the more I see thunal and scotty interact, the more I consider the idea that they are different alignments from one another instead of teamed

could not tell you who's which though

This is a very specific thought, and I'm not sure how you would arrive at it.

Why do you think this, since if they are civ, neither would know the others alignment, yet at the time you make this post, you can't say which is which?

Could it be possible they *believe* they are different alignments from each other?

it is a progression from my original thought that they are teamed, to thinking that their interacting is less theatre and more genuine casing/arguing

I don't understand the second question. it seems like something that answers itself?

I'll give you time. I don't mean to rush you.

(I don't know what the Sesame/Se7en comparison means. Based on context, I'm assuming it means you think she looks like her town self?)

one thing that gives me pause with thunal is that she has been very... conciliatory with me throughout all this

i even flat out said I was ignoring her and the response was nothing

is this because she's focused on solving, because she's town, or because she hopes being a little distant from me will get me to focus more on scotty/elsewhere, and then if she eventually flips red, it'll look like I am spewed her partner? (this is a galaxy brain take admittedly)

but then she also has invested most of her energy into the quasi thunderdome with scotty, which is a lightning rod for attention. is that Solving with a capital S?

I admit to a paranoia that everyone being okay with Epi's chop is potentially problematic, but I also do not town-read him myself, so I am not sure how that paranoia applies, or if it does at all

thunal I have largely suspected from near the beginning of the game, and that has really only grown from there. I do still hold that she and scotty are opposites. I do still hold that I independently scum-read both. The logic of my thunal case for going over first today is also flimsy upon dissection: I strongly felt that dizzy was the other PR after LC outed, and my gut told me that thunal also felt this... because she was the wolf in the veto list. this logic falls apart when you consider that clocking dizzy takes less than 5 minutes of looking at LC's ISO, and that's still true even if the wolf team is largely AFK. so thunal could very well be town, and it required no TMI to pick the right target. but I still can't shake the gut read.

coincidentally, I agree with scotty's case where thunal's posting seems overly choreographed, making the right sounds but not sticking the landing. a part of me vaguely recalls this being a part of thunal's gameplay (if my shaky mafia memory of 1+ year ago is in any way robust), a part of me thinks it's wolfy and inauthentic. yet the inauthenticity argument also applies to scotty, who I also think hasn't been overly sincere in his posting. you see the dilemma. especially with scotty jumping on the thunal push on D1 after I pressured her, and then again here on D2, this time with a vote to ensure that she is likely the wagon over him

thunal and epi can stack on me and we can't expect rico to either a) appear or b) make an informed vote

so uh, hey nutella and SVS

how's it going

I'm going to pretend neither of you would ever consider voting me today and instead ask who you'd prefer between epi and thunal

funny but also we really can't afford another wagon after this point

so I guess the choice is between epi, thunal, and me

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Epi (1) - Marmot
Thunal (1) - Scotty
Syn (1) - Falcon

Hasn't voted: Epi, Nutella, Rico, SVS, Syn, Thunal

lol

I guess I can be patient and wait for him to post more and see what happens

developing a low-level paranoia that epi is a hapless townie being sacrificed

too much consensus

also yes thunal I'm ignoring you asking for my case on you

I'm replying to someone postcapped and in the mountains smh

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:40 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:37 pm Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

Wack.


I'd put it in the exact opposite order. I think it's more likely for me to have misread my PM than for Syn to be a wolf here.

I’m a bit closer to the sun, as it were. He has already said he thinks thunal and I are different alignments. But he’s not committing to a read there. I find that….hedgy and weird.

I actively asked for thunal, not you, to be the counterwagon to epi lol

but yeah I don't know for certain who is which alignment. and I feel like I've been forward about my position on you two as a duo. you can consider it weird but hedgy at least does not seem correct

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:40 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:37 pm Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

Wack.


I'd put it in the exact opposite order. I think it's more likely for me to have misread my PM than for Syn to be a wolf here.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:37 pm Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

look ma I'm #1 (again!)

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:11 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

I'm once again feeling like everyone else is crazy for not tunneling Scotty right now. And this time I can't be proven wrong with a pr claim.

Weren’t you tunneling LC?
I think your reads have just been…bad this game?

And now I have about 30 min to determine if you are actually believing what you’re saying and I just……..don’t. Based on your track record thus far

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:28 pm Good news here is if I survive the day, I’m not dying tonite, so I can have more time to win this for town on d3.
Bad news here is I am becoming an easy vote and if I don’t immediately get voted, I’m going to be a likely end of day wagon where people can cling to as a backup and when I go over my voters can rest on their laurels by going ‘well, he wasn’t acting towny’ and solve nothing.

I think I’m actually doing a great job as town. Even if I’m wrong about thunal- which I fully acknowledge could be the case, since I apparently am the ONLY one that thinks this- I’m clearly ruffling some feathers

yucky posts milord

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:39 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:21 am look ma I'm #1

I have no opposition to the falcon case

Ah, now this is what wolfy posts look like...sheeping Marmot w/o questioning, or even previously expressing SR on my slot previously...have you?




Am I wolf cuz of the reasons Marmot pointed out? Do you have any thoughts of your own you'd like to add?

no thoughts head empty

look ma I'm #1

I have no opposition to the falcon case

Epi (1) - Marmot
Thunal (1) - Scotty

Hasn't voted: Epi, Falcon, Nutella, Rico, SVS, Syn, Thunal

@falcon45ca @S~V~S in case you look at tags before posting/catching up fully

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:30 am Note to self: If there’s a deepwolf in this game, it’s Syn.

I hope you think about me while you're backpacking

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:16 am @Syn so even though I’m committed to this thunal tunnel, and I think I’m correct,

When you said earlier that you think there is (more or less) a difference check between us, are you still trying to make up your mind on which of us is bad, or are you recanting that?

Like do you think there is a world in which both of us are town?

I mean, of course there's a world where that could be true

I... feel it's unlikely. the way you two have gone at it does not feel like theatre, and enough holes are being poked into both your approaches to the game by separate people that there is something amiss. during D1 I interpreted this as an awkward team, but during D2 it has seemed more directly oppositional

could be good acting, I guess. but for now I'm content with the simpler read that one of you has the other one pegged

I could explain why I want to flip thunal first but the logic of it is terrible and will make me look silly, so instead I'll just look at you alluringly and hope it does the trick

poly relationship, got it

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am (Ok but for real I'm leaving for Idaho tomorrow and will be out of service the rest of the day so I have to vote tonight or not at all)

are you and scotty eloping

alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

hold on let me go through the stages of grief real quick

maybe it's not fine

half the game has yet to post today

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I guess it's fine