The Syndicate

it's not zack

you can trust me, I was right about my last confident read

all my takes are cool and hip

*shakes tin can* votes on c4 for the poor? votes on c4 for the poor?

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:01 pm [VOTE: syn] aubergine

zack stop this is too much wifom when I get chopped and flip red

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:55 pm it's wacky that you described a POE containing three names, two of which you believe are 100% villagers, as "addressing" the rest of your POE, when the only person it addresses is me, a name that you have only vaguely alluded suspicion to prior to this point

but alright

if people chop you and you flip red, I somewhat doubt I'd be up next, which means the immediate POE becomes c4 and [blank]

dizzy is fine now

poe is just you, c4, and visor, with arete on the fringe

visor's "oh shit oh fuck the POE is all town!!!" thing is scummy as fuck btw

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:49 pm it's not fake. your "POE" is outed wolf, c4, dizzy, and myself. the POE that you say will "address" the rest of your POE is dyachei, yourself, and myself

if i'm so obviously wrong, then it should be easy to correct me, right?

ok sure I'll waste my time doing this

Marluxion says if dya is a wolf, chop syn. if dya is town, chop SPF.

dya is the main wagon

I believe dya is town and will flip town

so I am supporting a world where the next chop is you

please let me know if this is challenging to follow along with

because your main point is fake and I don't play chess vs pigeons

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:42 pm how does syn look at a POE that includes a total of 3 names (syn, dyachei, SPF) 2 of which he thinks are town, and one of which he has vaguely alluded to being suspicious of, and conclude that it "takes care" of the rest of his POE?

nothing makes sense

why are you pretending to quote me when the thing you're quoting is something I didn't say

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:19 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:09 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:08 am
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:39 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:37 am idk
it seems like everyone's wim is low, so my motivation to put in a lot of work is lacking too
not even a whole page in the 10 hours since i slept

prob go syn after dyachei if they are wolf
probably spf if dya is town unless dya has any specific direction they want us to go

isnt outed wolf ur top wolfread? why do u agree w/this post when it doesn't mention killing your number one wolfread at any point in the near future?
through the power of POE and likelihood of town doing anything

there is like one other person who vaguely kinda thinks Visor maybe might not be town, sorta

obviously I will be interested in an approach that at least sees the rest of my POE addressed
huh? the only person that gets addressed in this POE besides you and dyachei is exactly me. am i the sole name on your POE?

for someone who is quick to jump on others to demand specificity and detailed analysis, you demonstrate a shocking lack of recall when it is most convenient

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:24 am @Syn you have anything resembling a scumread yet? i'll take anything

I offered a POE and got laughed at

although now everyone else's POE "if dya and syn are town" is now the POE I gave, so guess it's not that funny anymore

Arete wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:11 am
Arete wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:23 am
Outed Wolf is never a wolf with Vulgard
Spoiler: show

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:40 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:37 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:32 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:29 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:31 pm
much like his extensive history of games with seth eh?
I'm sort of mrrr about how Outed Wolf is trying to discredit townreads on me/reasons to townread me without actually pushing for me to get killed (or even really expressing more than a slight scumread on me)
it kind of feels like he's trying to make sure that I'm a viable push for the future but doesn't want to get his hands dirty pushing me now
LOL
hilarious post - i said i thought you were a villager yesterday, the post is making light of vulgard not you
alright, what was your motivation behind discrediting Vul's reads?
... because he was wrong? he spent like 80 posts yesterday saying how much of a gavial god reader he was and that we couldnt let gavial slip away and we had to kill gavial
with his EXTENSIVE history of catching gavial and hes NEVER BEEN WRONG BEFORE
and he was wrong.
W R O N G
R
O
N
G
INCORRECT
NOT RIGHT
so i gave him a bit of shit for it

This post ~never comes from a partner in my opinion, there's no need to try to rub your partner's face in how they were WRONG and BAD and MISREAD SOMEONE IN A GAME OF MAFIA when you in fact have TMI that they they didn't do that. It's relevant to me that he wasn't (in this post) trying to shade him off of it, which is what I would expect from distancing, but rather to make fun of him, which doesn't make sense from the PoV of a wolf talking about another wolf.

@Syn

can you glance at this paragraph and tell me what you think

IMO the Outed Wolf/Vul associations are very unlikely to be W/W (for this and other reasons, but I think this one is way less likely to be distancing)

(I also don't think Outed Wolf would repeatedly go out of his way to say that I suck at the game as W but this is a weaker point)

visor would absolutely tell people they suck at the game, partnered or not

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:08 am
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:39 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:37 am idk
it seems like everyone's wim is low, so my motivation to put in a lot of work is lacking too
not even a whole page in the 10 hours since i slept

prob go syn after dyachei if they are wolf
probably spf if dya is town unless dya has any specific direction they want us to go

isnt outed wolf ur top wolfread? why do u agree w/this post when it doesn't mention killing your number one wolfread at any point in the near future?

through the power of POE and likelihood of town doing anything

there is like one other person who vaguely kinda thinks Visor maybe might not be town, sorta

obviously I will be interested in an approach that at least sees the rest of my POE addressed

also I have TMI :zany-face:

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:08 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:38 am if syn is town PROBABLY Arete but idfk
i think bronana is a wolf if both chloe and dyachei are town actually

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:39 amzack is town
why? to both of you

because of the way you are

zack is town

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:37 am idk
it seems like everyone's wim is low, so my motivation to put in a lot of work is lacking too
not even a whole page in the 10 hours since i slept

prob go syn after dyachei if they are wolf
probably spf if dya is town unless dya has any specific direction they want us to go

what in the good god hell is that post

Amy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:16 am
bronana wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:42 am i hardclaim tracker
so you saw me visit your mom last night, then?

lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:46 pm something feels a little off to me rn - it might be because syn's indignation about dya being town is difficult for me to wrap my head around, but it also makes me feel doubtful that the solve is as easy as exactly dya/syn

amazing

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:38 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:35 pm I mean if syn and dya are both green it's c4/spf probably but lol that world
interesting that this is the world you come up because this is one of the worlds I posted in neighbour chat that SPF conveniently neglected to include
you did not mention a single thing about thinking that me/c4 could be partnered in our chat, do you wanna take that back?

I definitely said that my suspect list was the people going under the radar with vulgard caught because they have incentive to not rock the boat

that list included three names

c4
dizzy
you

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:35 pm I mean if syn and dya are both green it's c4/spf probably but lol that world

interesting that this is the world you come up because this is one of the worlds I posted in neighbour chat that SPF conveniently neglected to include

bronana wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:33 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:26 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:20 pm If Syn and I both flipped green Dizzy TMI'd us by thinking he was under any threat here
Have fun
I will flip green.

But working with this "town" is pointless, and I have no interest in it. Dya is town. Don't flip them. That's my legacy.

My other legacy is that your (general your) consensus POE is reliant on believing that the remainder of the wolf team is not only terrible at the game, but actively game-throwing. If you believe dya and me are the last two wolves, then that's simply stupid. Why would I come out the gates trying to save dya when the consensus opinion is that that's hella scummy to do? There is no hope in that venture. The safe thing is to bus. I get no cred for rallying to their defense if they flip red. All this does is put suspicion on me without resolving any suspicion on Dya. Why wouldn't Dya and I just concede if we're doing such a shitty job of this and throwing the game?

If your case is reliant on the idea that the remaining wolves are drooling simpletons, then you have found yourself in a world where you have been hosed by wolves.

Flip me first. Do it. Then you can navel gaze for a while and say, "Well, this doesn't clear Dya..." and then mischop them too. Remaining town can have fun figuring it out afterward.
your reads are that dya is town because they posted lolcats and visor is mafia because he's funny and you are indignant people don't find that compelling?

Nowhere did I say that I was indignant that people weren't listening to me. I'm indignant that your reads are dumb.

I am not answering a question that's already been answered

in fact, you switched your vote to me after my previous answer

so no

pass

that's cool, you can be one of the ones saying "Well, this doesn't clear Dya..."

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:20 pm If Syn and I both flipped green Dizzy TMI'd us by thinking he was under any threat here
Have fun

I will flip green.

But working with this "town" is pointless, and I have no interest in it. Dya is town. Don't flip them. That's my legacy.

My other legacy is that your (general your) consensus POE is reliant on believing that the remainder of the wolf team is not only terrible at the game, but actively game-throwing. If you believe dya and me are the last two wolves, then that's simply stupid. Why would I come out the gates trying to save dya when the consensus opinion is that that's hella scummy to do? There is no hope in that venture. The safe thing is to bus. I get no cred for rallying to their defense if they flip red. All this does is put suspicion on me without resolving any suspicion on Dya. Why wouldn't Dya and I just concede if we're doing such a shitty job of this and throwing the game?

If your case is reliant on the idea that the remaining wolves are drooling simpletons, then you have found yourself in a world where you have been hosed by wolves.

Flip me first. Do it. Then you can navel gaze for a while and say, "Well, this doesn't clear Dya..." and then mischop them too. Remaining town can have fun figuring it out afterward.

well, that about does it for my WIM. enjoy

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:06 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:04 pm and to prove my point, several people have made SOD posts specifically saying I'm at the top of the POE after dya

this is not exactly brain surgery
you are pretty clearly TMIing dya wolf rn

yeah you're right you should chop me

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:05 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:04 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
fwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AI

which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative
what I said to SPF is that in every game I've spec'd or played with dya, they get killed early as an SPK, so there is absolutely no reason for them to give up and lolcat just because a partner got outed and they had a bad read
...what?
what
what does them being SPKed as town have to do with how theyd react as wolf

also doesnt it occur to you that theres a reason their play here is miles removed from the games they were SPKed

i just dont understand your line of thinking at all

i guess i just like to think someone who is killed early due to wolf fear is perhaps someone who might be okay at wolfing too and doesn't do what constitutes as game-throwing

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:05 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:03 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thought that he would be the chop today (and he specifically mentioned that he would be the chop because a lot of players think he's associated with vulgard/dya, even though syn personally townreads dya, and i wondered if that was a bit of a perspective slip - it felt like syn was unconsciously referring to dyachei as a wolf even though he didn't wolfread them
@Syn helo explianerino this
what is there to explain

arete, sunbae, visor, zack, and spf have all said I am associated with vulgard and a pre-flipped dya

seems to parse that I would be on the docket of eliminations
......even if we flip dya first and theyre somehow green like you purport to believe?

your perspective is off friendo

ok

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:04 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
fwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AI

which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative
what I said to SPF is that in every game I've spec'd or played with dya, they get killed early as an SPK, so there is absolutely no reason for them to give up and lolcat just because a partner got outed and they had a bad read
...what?

what

and to prove my point, several people have made SOD posts specifically saying I'm at the top of the POE after dya

this is not exactly brain surgery

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thought that he would be the chop today (and he specifically mentioned that he would be the chop because a lot of players think he's associated with vulgard/dya, even though syn personally townreads dya, and i wondered if that was a bit of a perspective slip - it felt like syn was unconsciously referring to dyachei as a wolf even though he didn't wolfread them
@Syn helo explianerino this

what is there to explain

arete, sunbae, visor, zack, and spf have all said I am associated with vulgard and a pre-flipped dya

seems to parse that I would be on the docket of eliminations

Arete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
fwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AI

which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative

what I said to SPF is that in every game I've spec'd or played with dya, they get killed early as an SPK, so there is absolutely no reason for them to give up and lolcat just because a partner got outed and they had a bad read

[VOTE: outed wolf] aubergine

bronana wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:04 pm Arete is probably not w/w with syn because of the d1 wall case on tangy, fwiw.

nobody is w/w with syn

i didn't get my role card until just now, is red a good colour guys

Arete wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:36 pm

just because I've played badly in every game I've played with any of you doesn't mean I'm a bad player I swear

i won my last wolf game because of a townie doing this

in the wise words of inawordyes, thread state doesn't lie

free me from this mortal coil

visor and zack combining forces to push me over instead of vulgard and dya, feels bad man

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:56 am And just for information. I’m fully booked with work/travel next few days. Sorry about, but it be like that.

For interest - who here town reads me?

this is the second post I've seen of yours and they have been townie af babes

bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:15 am
sunbae wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:12 am I do wonder why I spent so much time this game day stressing about/reading the game. I had already done a fine job, day 3 + a kill stopped, dropped in relevant info, could just kick back and chill and feel ok

instead i reread everything and am more annoyed with myself for not having a hard solve than i was previously lol

i need to learn to like, be more chill with myself

^ me when people make detailed walls and talk about how they've re-read the entire thread and combed extensively through isos while i mostly just post in real-time and occasionally glance back at something

same

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:35 am i think c4 and dya are wolves regardless of any other pairing

if you told me syn was a wolf id believe you

that's becuz ur a gullible little goblin >: (

i read half of Vulgard's first ISO page and have encountered excessive levels of anti-spew

specifically he's established WIFOM regarding my slot, Visor, and dya

not good for me I think

i have been betrayed

told to iso and backread

you seem reliable, sheepable

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:58 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:55 pm i can't tell if we're on the verge of winning or getting buried
the former imo

regardless of being right or wrong on vulgard i'm becoming more and more convinced that my townreads are just town

so if nothing else the PoE should be fine

hello I am interested in knowing what this POE is

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