The Syndicate

Well, if it's gonna be like that, I'll just peace.

Hopefully I find something out from my shrine visit to share, then I'll ghost cuz you're all wasting my fuckin time.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:27 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:26 pm Whoa I missed out!
4 votes?

Man you guys are way off target. If I actually cared I'd read back, but can someone expla4in that in something I'll actually read?
red check outed just before EOD

It's a fake peek.
Who did it?

Whoa I missed out!
4 votes?

Man you guys are way off target. If I actually cared I'd read back, but can someone explain that in something I'll actually read?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:20 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:15 pm Cop check TSP
Vigi Flanders
Obviously any doctors need to rand between Kza and Syn
Which leaves you as a doc dodge target, so now that you can talk...what's your take on Made?
That would depend on Flanders alignment. I think that if Flanders turns out to be town that Made/Marmot have at least one wolf between them. Is it plausibly both?

If Flanders is mafia I think that its not so likely that Made or Marmot are mafia unless I misread the gamestate.
My gamestate read at this time is muddled by the fact that almost all the critical vote movements were by people that are high on my townish scale. I do think that the purest available wagon at EoD though was on Flanders.

Why?

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:22 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:22 pm Well I'm not mafia.
Vig me would be dumb af
compelling

Whoa be nice! We have a date

Especially with all the other very vig worthy players.

MacDougall? More like McDumbass

Well I'm not mafia.
Vig me would be dumb af

Hope not. Nuke power would be a touch OP no?

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:28 pm catch me at Boethiah, Flanders

It's a date!

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:25 pm [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

The "stay quiet" argument is so frustrating and dangerous. The nah nah u just scum and wrong.. As soon as someone suggests you silence your own opinions, you know they are self aware. The benefit if a doubt is removed. They are openingly (openly? Idk how to spell) trying to manipulate you into retractung what you said and never critisizing them again. It's super sus. This is TMI and from a mafia mindset.

I asked for valid reasons where i am wrong here. I ask you to explain how im sus. What you say is not even close to being valid counter-argument.

Even if gavial is conpletly innocent town here, and this is all a huge misunderstanding, it fiesnt negate the fact you got legit activity here in this game of actung sus. You have people here sayung you are sus. U cliamed with almost no pressure. In this game we cant afford a mislynch. Especially when multiple towns could potentially die at nite.

Maybe take a moment to examine yourself and explain yourself clearly or change your behavior or both.

I have reached out to u and all u do is say my line of questioning you is sus. Or u ignore me. I'm trying to figure out your reasons for your reads and you don't give them. Like

You talk about your loss and town loss but you done nothing but critsize. Nothing to prevent it.

If you're town stop pointing fingers and do something.

Show u r town, not some maybe clear later.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine this is mafia

I only read the vote boxes, and I agree. Wanna meet up tonight?

Pick a shrine

Town leans only.

Well, you have to meet me there

Dont think I'll be around for NF, I've got about 10mins before I bolt but i want to make a date.

Tell me which shrine to visit and you will find something out.

Even at 4's
Race is on

[VOTE: made] aubergine

I'm happy to vote Gav, Made and Qwags for sure.
Like this recent push on made, I've brought them up a few times now.

Dont like Tim's brutal read on me, remove head from arse Tim.

Let's go for a wagon race and see who crawls out from the shadows.

I find gavials continued slander luke a giant plate of omgus.

I sussed their bullshit wheel of fortune and weak ass, unnecessary, unprovoked claim. I gave reasons for my suspicion, and this turd dragon has provided no case or reasoning at all, just slander and shade.

Fuck you turd dragon. Name the shrine, I'll meet you there and hopefully slash your throat.

Thats scummy. Gavial has now moved onto Qwags, essentially voting with me despite the fact I'm apparently his top scum read.

Gross

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:13 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:06 pm Cont- I'm also very lazy. Theres too many long winded posts. If I can't read it in 10 seconds, I'm not going to unless tagged in the post.

Now, I could see how some would say ignoring essays is anti-town, but I think writing them is anti town.
Remember the Simpsons game? Those were intense wall posts from Hugh Jass

Yeah that was painful. But as usual, I just tldr.

The responses to essays are helpful, and the conversations they create. But ya. Lazy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:06 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:02 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:57 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:34 pm Alright

@KZA what's Flanders' wolf meta like, and is he in his scumrange here?
he's not comfortable, Falcon can probably give you a more nuanced answer since I don't play on CDC anymore

it's worth noting though that a new environment would probably make it easier to wolf for him since not as many people are familiar with him here

I think he's just town personally
Agreed.

He's not comfortable, but I think that stems from his experience here before. I feel like he enjoyed playing here at first, but was pretty miffed when he & I were NKd N1 in a game.

Flanders is doing what he does as town, his solving feels genuine to me. 'Course, he's fucked me before as Maf, but he's not pocketing me like he does when he's Maf (which only works cuz I love him and would have his babies)
You too bb.

It's not just a level of comfort, or bitterness towards our hosts because of some bullshit bullying, kill the new guys crap.

There's no hot link for gifs. And I can't figure it out.
Go into the preview of a post. At the top you'll see an insert image icon, post the link to the gif inside the parentheses.

I'll try that. But it's one more step than I want to take.

Hot links. I'm fucking lazy

Cont- I'm also very lazy. Theres too many long winded posts. If I can't read it in 10 seconds, I'm not going to unless tagged in the post.

Now, I could see how some would say ignoring essays is anti-town, but I think writing them is anti town.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:57 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:34 pm Alright

@KZA what's Flanders' wolf meta like, and is he in his scumrange here?
he's not comfortable, Falcon can probably give you a more nuanced answer since I don't play on CDC anymore

it's worth noting though that a new environment would probably make it easier to wolf for him since not as many people are familiar with him here

I think he's just town personally
Agreed.

He's not comfortable, but I think that stems from his experience here before. I feel like he enjoyed playing here at first, but was pretty miffed when he & I were NKd N1 in a game.

Flanders is doing what he does as town, his solving feels genuine to me. 'Course, he's fucked me before as Maf, but he's not pocketing me like he does when he's Maf (which only works cuz I love him and would have his babies)

You too bb.

It's not just a level of comfort, or bitterness towards our hosts because of some bullshit bullying, kill the new guys crap.

There's no hot link for gifs. And I can't figure it out.

KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:43 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:38 pm Let me help

I'm town
can you summarize your reads for us

Been a bit of movement since yesterday, but I haven't read like 5 or 6 pages. Probably won't.

Town
KZA
Syn
Tim
Scotty

Town leans
Falc
Mac
TSP
LC

Bunch of null, but I feel like daisy is slightly better than null I guess.

Most scummy

Made
Gavial
BK
Qwags
Nacho

That's where I'm at without having to torture myself with all the tldr's.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:40 pm This game feels like a CDC takeover and I'm enjoying it immensely.

I think our CDC brethren, BlueJay22, has his first Champs game starting today.

Go BJ

Let me help

I'm town

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:29 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:04 pm Like fuck eh. Qwags - always mafia even if he isnt. He sure as hell looks like it now.
This is a problem for me Flanders.

I have people on my home site that "are always mafia even when they aren't." Two different kinds in fact.

There's me. I start every game wrapped in so much tinfoil because of my past behavior that I have to come out the gate fending of a "just in case" chop. You saw the Syn tunnel day one here. That's one kind of "always mafia" to be pushed, but that's obviously not what you are saying about Qwags.

The other kind is the low hanging fruit kind. Always gets chopped early because no matter who the wolf team is they are comfortable that they can. Just...always easy to suss and doesn't have a really strong skillset for "towning it up" to get off the hook. People know that they could just slank that to a win, so they are always inclined to just early chop "just in case" and because "can't have that at end game."

So I get it. But if someone from my home site like that is here I am shielding them, at least partially, because even this early on town can't afford to just throw away a chop. Maybe I'm mad at them for not being able to fend off mischops. Maybe I'm saying "this is just a lhf thing and everyone needs to take a breath here." Maybe a lot of things. But one thing I am NOT doing is saying "looks wolfy, charge!!!" because I would be first in line saying "they always look wolfy though."

You are the one saying that they always look wolfy, but at the same time you seem to be leading the chop with nothing more than "because they look wolfy." That's a not really towny contradiction to me.

Please consider and respond.

I know what im trying to do here.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:41 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 9:43 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 9:41 pm what's the case on qwags?
He hasn't done anything and doesn't seem to be on track to and cant be retained till endgame
This is a valid thought, but Flanders just going along with it still seems super sketchy.

Like, yes, Qwags has nothing going for them and doesn't seem likely to get anything going for them...but heck we may get lucky and some great mafia player just bones up a green check on them and turns them into an unexpected demand on the wolves for a night kill. I mean, that does happen sometimes.

And I think Flanders postion, if he is town, should be more like "Qwags is always like that and sure maybe we need to chop him but just know that "because he isn't looking towny" is not really a wolf indication so this could be wrong." Flanders is really the wrong guy to be leading the charge.

@Stupid Sexy Flanders I get your position on Qwags well enough and I might be willing to forgive it...but I really need you to suggest some possible wolf reads. Like, not just "hasn't done anything particularly towny," but real solid "saw them do this and it seems really sketch to me" stuff. I need to know what qualifies as "looks wolfy" in your world.

There's a wide range in feels and looks wolfy. But again, I know what im looking for here.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:08 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:32 pm Alright then. Let's light a fire under Qwags ass and see if he gets moving.
Again here...

You seem to be saying that on your home forum this "light a fire under his ass" play generally doesn't work, so you leading the push with it here seems waaaaaaay off to me.

On the other hand, you don't strike me as the "okay pack, I'm gonna go out there and dirty wolf it and lead the town to the mischop" type. More a "blend in and let the town make their own bad choices" type.

Tell me Flanders, do you play the dirty wolf when you wolf? Don't lie, because I am very experienced in the world of the dirty wolf and I will catch you out.

Ask my homes about my wolf meta.

But you keep misrepresenting whats happening as me leading a charge. Im the last to jump on the qwags wagon, but the vote sits there for now.

EOD at 7 EDT?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:55 pm [VOTE: Stupid Sexy Flanders] aubergine

seems like he doesn't believe what he says.

Which of what don't I believe? I'm pretty certain of a few things.
But I don't pretend to know I'm right everything

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:52 pm I wanna know why Flanders keeps saying that one line about qwags. how he is always mafia, even if he isn't.

Because it's a thing on our home site. I'm almost certain Qwags actually coined the phase himself.

Qwags wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:11 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:09 pm
Qwags wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:06 pm This thread is being brutal rn.
Sit down on the couch and expand on that bro.

The Edler Scrolls are here for ya.
Edler Scrolls have turned on me, I saw your votes. I trust no one, only myself.

See this is why you always get yeeted, right or wrong.

SHARE!

Qwags wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:06 pm This thread is being brutal rn.

Sit down on the couch and expand on that bro.

The Edler Scrolls are here for ya.

Like fuck eh. Qwags - always mafia even if he isnt. He sure as hell looks like it now.

Quite the full list there qwagger.

You're supposed to keep lynch baiting to yourself

Nu uh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:48 pm [VOTE: Flanders] aubergine

You're a dummy

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:44 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:40 pm Oh, I'm supposed to be frozen right now, I shouldn't have responded to that.
Stop Thundercatting
The Khajiit are my favorite Elder Scrolls race.

Are you the wanderer?

KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:36 pm Can we 2 for 1 murder BK and Qwags

How's that?

Spose maybe I have tunnel vision on Gavial and if the claim is fake we'll sort it out soon enough.

I also don't like voting along side made at this point. Wouldn't have any problems voting there

[VOTE: Qwags] aubergine

Alright then. Let's light a fire under Qwags ass and see if he gets moving.

Qwags will need to be resolved at some point and he never contributes enough to clear himself, but I wont vote there tonight.

I'm struggling with Gavial. Did he say he watched a dead guy last night?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 6:31 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 6:07 pm 1. Budweiser- Amazing taste, most alcohol. King of beers
2. PBR - Classic value beer. Decent taste, decent alcohol.
3. Molson Canadian - Alright taste, would have again but not my first choice.
4. Miller Lite - Disappointed, tasted like water I was expecting more tbh
bud light lime

Awful. You should be ashamed of yourself

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 6:32 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 6:18 pm Moving Scotty up the list even though he's entertaining Pat Sajak and would vote for me.
What moved me up in your eyes? Lol
Getting sus of you?

Nope. The tone of your posts toward Kyle. Specifically when asking for reads.
Not unfakeable, but I already had a town lean on you. But the way you seemed hungry and frustrated reads like obv town to me.

Qwags wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 6:17 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 6:06 pm And I just realized Qwags was missed in my thinking.

Qwags is always mafia even when he isnt.
That's Rule 1, Falcon. Seems rather suspicious that you would miss that.

I'm not Falcon, ya numbskull.

Moving Scotty up the list even though he's entertaining Pat Sajak and would vote for me.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 6:07 pm 1. Budweiser- Amazing taste, most alcohol. King of beers
2. PBR - Classic value beer. Decent taste, decent alcohol.
3. Molson Canadian - Alright taste, would have again but not my first choice.
4. Miller Lite - Disappointed, tasted like water I was expecting more tbh

Scummy taste in beers tbh

KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 5:34 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 4:16 pm marmot made a similar argument for my innocence in double elimination mafia where he was mafia and presumably trying to pocket me? after a long verbal deathmatch with moghedian over what i think was probably minutia. i was accused by mog of twisting his words and marmot came in and said that he didn't think i was capable of that?

i guess my question is @Marmot is this a thing you really believe? is there anecdotal evidence for it?
This feels like an "oh shit caught one" moment lol

Made. In the one game I played with him he was supatown. Does he have a wide town range, or scum?

And I just realized Qwags was missed in my thinking.

Qwags is always mafia even when he isnt.

My list seems to be causing an excessive amount of confusion.
FWIW if I dont write my thoughts out, no matter how conflicted, I have no ground and just confuse myself / get lost.

That's not a list I'm about to turn into a hill to die on, but that is basically where I'm at still, but feeling slightly better on the daisy and Kyle slots not being w/w, but there could be a wolf there.

Qustion to the syndicats about Gavial - I'm curious if early unnecessary claims are part of his meta with either faction.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 12:23 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 12:03 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:38 am So we've got Kza, Syn and TSP essentially cleared.

I think it's possible Mac could be mafia and falsifying a restriction because he visited a shrine and saw a bunch of townies there. But thats some tinfoil so I'm gonna keep him in the town pile.
He line strikes BK, so, guess BK is tp.

Kza
Syn
TSP
Mac
BK

Tim could just be fooling me, but he feels towny. Same kinda goes for quin and Scotty. Both feel towny.

Falc is a bit of a puzzle rn. Maybe it's just I havent played with him for a while, but his style does feel different. Still gotta town side him for now.

Enrique
Long Con
Marmot
Occupy that awkward, uneasy null space

Jack and nachomamma scum leaning.

PoE

Kyle
Daisy
Monkey
Made
Gavial

Thats where I'm at.
This is a scummy post

You start by admitting the possibility of Mac being bad, but then directly contradict it by saying it’s tinfoily, and putting him in your town pile, even though you have an awkward null space.

What does “line strike” mean? And when did Mac do that to BK?
It actually reads like towny LL to me.
What is towny LL?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:09 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 9:26 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:07 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:54 am Why perform well when you can rand some overly towny power and clear someone

Congress of Vienna type KZA
Well played!!!

I am actually extremely jealous here but trying to hide it.

You got a check, at random. That is more powerful than anything I saw on any other card. What do you make of Gavail's claim that he has access to a tracker shrine AND a watcher shrine? Does that seem plausible?
well you can potentially buy stuff if what you say is true. I'm thinking artifacts and such? ifk how that would work but you would buy actions? roles? abilities? if im understanding your role correctly it seems op too.

if you look at Sloonei's opening post. he explained that there is a cool down to visit a shrine. so players can visit multiple shrines. also some artifacts do different things depending 9n which faction has it.

I'm sorry if anything I said is stuff you already know.

idk if what Gavial is saying is true. what I don't like is he. made a claim but with only a little pressure. iirc he softed early day 2. I don't get why he did that. if he was/is town and does have these nite actions, then why not clear himself in other ways? was the sus from you and the teeny handful of others thst intimidating?

if he is a wolf it was good play done in a bad way.

I don't see him getting resolved. if he isn't lynched then going forward if he is wolf he can hedge by hemming and hawing thst he was rbed in some way or "forced to visit a different shrine" etc. if he isn't lynched and he is town, wolves will provide nk him or rb him or whatever. if he isn't nk he be potentially up for chopping block again.
If I collect enough I can buy a health potion that will protect me from a night kill. At the current rate I will be able to buy that for night ten. I will have to decide between that and an "ebony paralysis dart" that is a one time role block...but that decision is very far away so I am not giving it much thought. If I had gone to the Sheogorath shrine and made four sales lat night instead of one maybe I would be feeling a little OP...but as it stands I am feeling pretty vanilla.
Do you wanna try and set something up?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:51 pmSo you too are in the "no info on what shrines do what" category. There seem to be a whole lot of varieties in this role business. Post game gonna be really interesting.
I went to Hircine, thinking I might get a track or something, but instead I got ghosted.

I go by luckylager, or LL on our home site.
Changed my name to escape my meta but outed myself anyways.
Derp

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:31 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 11:27 am On Gavials claim - why then? Way to early for a townie to claim and expose his power to the maf. He wasn't even being pressured that hard and it kinda seems more like a wolf desperate for everyone to just fuck off.

And then spend the rest of the day on the defensive and firing oddball sus everywhere.

@Gavial
Who do you town read? You've made no mention.
was gavial in danger enough to need to hail mary like that?

Pretty sure they only had two or three votes, and it was super early D2.
Claiming in that situation makes little sense for town.

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