The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 1:00 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:51 am Why did we play this day if mafia reached parity with town last night?

While unlikely, there was still the possibilities of
A. Mafia screwing up (I've seen this shit before).
B. Cobalt returning and turning the game into coinflips.

Town threats reaching Majority as the wincon was intended to allow at least a chance for town to respond if Mafia were to remove 3-4 players based on killing the 3p. In the scenario where there was still a REZ, this would've made more sense.

As that was in the rules, I felt that it wouldn't have been proper to intervene this far in, BUT I think I've taken away that if town's only REAAAAAL chance is a coinflip, just to call it or just make the win condition parity unless there's something specific in the set up that'd affect said parity.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:42 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:15 pm Sound about right @Seanzie ?

No. See below.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:45 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:16 am Brutal
Apologies to town for being an idiot. Falc, LP, double sorry's.

Obvious assumption is Mac is maf of cult, as verified by our TOWN REGEN GODTHING LP, that I'm a stupid for not not believing.

If we let that bastard slanking punk Cobalt win this game by doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, I will quit playing mafia forever.

I may be an idiot, but fuck that dude.

Vote slank ass pussy no posting coward Cobalt. Don't even care if he's town.

Ok I was hammered and this was an awful post.
Apologies for the language, was drunk and frustrated at how poorly I've played this game.

- Mac is indy / cult or this game would've ended last night. Also, LP said she didnt rez Mac, so that's that.

3 town
2 maf
1 indy

Need to chop maf to keep er going. I'm not taking my vote off cobalt, and if cobalt is actually town.. sad.

I do recognize I've lived up to my first name this game.

I don't think Mac can be 3p here. Both Marmot and Rondo died last night and no one claimed one of the kills, so unless mafia had 2 shots last night for some reason, it seems pretty likely that Marmot was some sort of cult leader, and all his recruits die with him. Since Mac didn't die, it stands to reason that Mac is not 3p.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:56 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:52 pm Pretty sure maf have to kill me tonight, then town absolutely has to vote NO LYNCH in F4 and let mafia kill mac.

If cobalt is mafia then that works....if there aren't 3 mafia as well

Otherwise if there's 2 or 3 mafia at F4 no yeet wouldn't work easily if not be impossible. At least, when I host, no yeet needs more votes than any other wagon at minimum (and I generally take the unusual step and say it has to be bigger than all the votes combined that vote for something other than no yeet)

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:16 am Brutal
Apologies to town for being an idiot. Falc, LP, double sorry's.

Obvious assumption is Mac is maf of cult, as verified by our TOWN REGEN GODTHING LP, that I'm a stupid for not not believing.

If we let that bastard slanking punk Cobalt win this game by doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, I will quit playing mafia forever.

I may be an idiot, but fuck that dude.

Vote slank ass pussy no posting coward Cobalt. Don't even care if he's town.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:14 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:12 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:45 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:14 pm I just hope Mafia kill Seanzie because he is just an open wolfing Indy and it’s painfully obvious. He’s practically claiming Cultist with how Rondo is open wolfing with him. Granted he’s probably night immune, but whatevs. I just hope he doesn’t win for how obvious he is playing.

I can open wolf with anybody isnt that right @Stupid Sexy Flanders ?

Yeah sure, you can open wolf with me any day bb

oh my goodness my wolf is so open

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:45 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:14 pm I just hope Mafia kill Seanzie because he is just an open wolfing Indy and it’s painfully obvious. He’s practically claiming Cultist with how Rondo is open wolfing with him. Granted he’s probably night immune, but whatevs. I just hope he doesn’t win for how obvious he is playing.

I can open wolf with anybody isnt that right @Stupid Sexy Flanders ?

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:49 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:37 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:21 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:08 pm Like I said I don't real care if I die or not. Hopefully it's obvious that Seanzie and Martin are just scum. They are trying their hardest to reach for some stupid ass reason that I'm a 3rd Party jus tbecause they want to remove a reanimator from the game.

I assume they just don't believe I only have 2 revives. And like I said with me getting attacked N2, I'm pretty sure they are 3rd who think I'm night immune.

I'm ok to vote Marty.

Wanna vote Marty?

I could switch but why? LP is good to go

I was baiting LP. Partner hunting y'no

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:37 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:21 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:08 pm Like I said I don't real care if I die or not. Hopefully it's obvious that Seanzie and Martin are just scum. They are trying their hardest to reach for some stupid ass reason that I'm a 3rd Party jus tbecause they want to remove a reanimator from the game.

I assume they just don't believe I only have 2 revives. And like I said with me getting attacked N2, I'm pretty sure they are 3rd who think I'm night immune.

I'm ok to vote Marty.

Wanna vote Marty?

I could switch but why? LP is good to go

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:01 pm Just a reminder that discussions about role PMs are not allowed as it creates opportunities for angleshooting. Let's leave all that at the door now as you continue the game.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 7:24 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:43 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:32 pm Yeah I don't know. I'm just going to go play minecraft for a day. I'm just frustrated we've lynched 4 town with supposedly 4 Town revives and not a single scum kill.

So I have two big problems with your claim:
1) stating no wincon in your DM
2) not breadcrumbing your role.

Maybe I'm just too used to breadcrumbs from home, but it is super important to leave a trail that won't be noticeable until you have to prove your role. That way if a wolf tries to CC, you can show your "work" (so to speak).

Eh... not everyone breadcrumbs. In fact, on the site I'm originally from, I'd see breadcrumbing come more often from scum trying to setup a fakeclaim than town breadcrumbing their real role. That being said, LP's D3 play around Mac makes little sense, in a gamestate where she should have been convinced he was scum, she didn't really mention anything about Mac.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:18 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:15 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:05 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:24 pm I definitely kill the resurrected civilian N2 no matter how they approached the thread. Absolutely no way I allow someone who's essentially town cleared by EVERYONE, to see another day. Maf needs a wide open PoE, leaving a town cleared player alive is a terrible play.

how come they don't kill you last night then

The only real way to accomplish placing doubt on mine or Mac's alignment would be to allow us to live.
Can't kill us both in the same night, however it did occur to me that there is a possibility Mac had an alignment switch. He's a highly regarded player here, so it is odd he didn't get MK'd, however there's nothing saying mafia don't have a role cop and got a hit on Porscha (if she is/was a special)

But I kinda get the feeling you might have an idea why. Why do you think Mac wasn't killed?

My previously-mentioned theory that Porcha was quite possibly the town reanimator.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:05 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:24 pm I definitely kill the resurrected civilian N2 no matter how they approached the thread. Absolutely no way I allow someone who's essentially town cleared by EVERYONE, to see another day. Maf needs a wide open PoE, leaving a town cleared player alive is a terrible play.

how come they don't kill you last night then

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:32 pm Yeah I don't know. I'm just going to go play minecraft for a day. I'm just frustrated we've lynched 4 town with supposedly 4 Town revives and not a single scum kill.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:08 pm Like I said I don't real care if I die or not. Hopefully it's obvious that Seanzie and Martin are just scum. They are trying their hardest to reach for some stupid ass reason that I'm a 3rd Party jus tbecause they want to remove a reanimator from the game.

I assume they just don't believe I only have 2 revives. And like I said with me getting attacked N2, I'm pretty sure they are 3rd who think I'm night immune.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:14 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:04 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:52 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.

I'd like to hear those questions then.

And who supposedly would have been the reanimator which (apparently) is not CC'ing LP.

If LP were mafia here then I think its highly likely that the peseudoBP explanation they have is legitimately what happened when they tried attacking either a 3p reanimator or the civ reanimator (the latter being more likely imo). Especially when the DOOM kill still does not make much or any sense --- especially with players like Rondo being town.

I'm civilian, my wincon is eliminate all threats to town.
I find it extremely hard to believe a Town aligned power role would not be given a wincon in their dm.

I also find it hard to believe LP would know if they were shot at and the attempted hit was redirected.

The Mafia choice for MK on Doom is more likely to do with the thread state accepting her as town, and no conversation of potential alignment switching occurred until after the double rez of Mac and myself.

Imo it's more likely LP is mafia or 3p than town.

I'm not sure they claimed to know it. They said it was obvious after having explained that they thought there was no 2nd reanimator and had a 1-shot pseudoBP vest.

Personally, if I were them, I would've heavily suspected it because I don't think anyone kills DOOM there, and so in the case that LP is town then this conclusion is not odd at all.

As for the wincon thing.....now that you mention it, I guess you're right about that. I hadn't even realized TBH. Seems like suicide to not mention a wincon though....

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:09 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:02 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:59 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:45 pm I think the only way LP is mafia here is if:

Porscha was the Civ Reanimator

Otherwise I don't see how would they explain the Doom kill. Doom had just helped got Flanders ML'ed, and so there's not a whole lot of incentive to kill DOOM there especially when there could be much more concerning players who are scum. Such as rondo, who was confirmed to be town at one point, or myself.

I see the point about reviving Mac, but I think the mafia killings (and the fact that no one is CC'ing LinearPoint) speaks louder to me.

How does Porscha being reanimator explain the DoOm kill? I assumed DoOm was killed to keep the collection of live players (the basket that contains two mafia and a 3p) as large as possible for as long as possible, granted that doesn't fit perfectly with the Porscha kill, but that could be explained if one/both of Flanders and Mac are evil, in particular Mac (as a Flanders kill would more-or-less put a huge spotlight on Mac)

LP not being CC'd is giving me some pause, but Porscha or even possibly Rondo could have been reanimator (Rondo not CC'ing either because he hasn't been around or because his alignment changed), or people could be reanimated via some other method rather than from direct ability use, so idk how much stock to put into this. LP's play with regards to her claimed role though doesn't make sense to me.

Step 1:

Attack Porscha, get redirected to DOOM

Step 2:

Attack Porscha again because they're obviously some sort of PR and could easily explain the DOOM kill

That's only assuming that LP is telling the truth about the redirect thing, but that only happens in a world where Porscha isn't the reanimator. I find it kind of unlikely that someone who has the ability to more-or-less increase town's numbers by two, and give hard clears on those two, would also have built in protection (even though redirection/BG is less powerful than say BP vest). The whole thing reeks more like 3p tbh.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:04 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.

I think these sorts of lines of inquiry might be against the rules, as specific details of a rolecard I think usually counts as angleshooting, and angleshooting is not allowed. I'm not modding this game, but I'd recommend not pursuing this (or possibly ask our host if this sort of thing is allowed before continuing) because minimally this is on the borderline of what it allowed, if not over it.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:52 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.

I'd like to hear those questions then.

And who supposedly would have been the reanimator which (apparently) is not CC'ing LP.

If LP were mafia here then I think its highly likely that the peseudoBP explanation they have is legitimately what happened when they tried attacking either a 3p reanimator or the civ reanimator (the latter being more likely imo). Especially when the DOOM kill still does not make much or any sense --- especially with players like Rondo being town.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:40 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:38 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:03 pm It's also hard to believe there is a second Civ reanimator considering the role gets a 1-shot pseudoBP., night kills are redirected to a player you revived instead. Obviously that's what happened to Doom N2.

okay that does explain things a bit

but if there is a 3p reanimator I suspect you're not removed from that possibility

I breifly wondered if I missed in my rolecard a wincon or something since one was never given, but I assume Civ means Town and if I were Indy I would have been given a goal of any kind.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:22 pm Only that they had to be town obviously. And yes 2.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:16 pm you and Doom.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:50 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:55 am But the Mafia don't appear to be working together at all since no players have really any connections. Which leads me to think my original theory of the indy being Town who self revives as Mafia being true.

In which case it would mean Mac is Mafia with Seanzie and probably Cobalt.

And that I think is my only real plausible read. Otherwise this game is weird and I clearly do not understand the setup.

If you believe the 3p is someone who flips town and then revives to mafia, why would that mean it is Mac, rather than Flanders or Rondo?

Well Mac was very much not revived by Town which makes it hard to believe he is Town.

I suppose I don't really need to hide my role anymore, but I'm the one reviving Town and I'm out of revives so that's the end of that.

Furthermore my role being Civ Reanimator implies that there is probably a Mafia or Indy Reanimator which seeing Mac was revived yeah that is probably the case. The way people have been talking also seems like there is only the 2 reanimators in the game and no more which one being scum and one being town makes sense.

It's also hard to believe there is a second Civ reanimator considering the role gets a 1-shot pseudoBP., night kills are redirected to a player you revived instead. Obviously that's what happened to Doom N2.

I'm past the point of caring if I die or not, I just want it to be clear when I die and flip Town that the other reanimator is scum and that both Mac and Rondo are not to be trusted since they were revived by scum who probably changed their alignments.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:11 am Honestly 2 people on Martin died last night

36%
Voters: MacDougall, Porscha, RondoDimBuckle, Seanzie
MartinGG99

Possible reason to go here. What do people think of Martin + LP?

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:33 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:31 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:20 am I was a little suspicious of Sean pointing me to look Flanders the way he did (and more specifically kind of sidestepping my point about Mac), but I do think it's a little townie that Sean reread what he saw on Flanders and backpedalled on it.

But could you still explain what you saw there Sean?

What I saw was that there was a period close to where you and Rondo were tied. I was on Rondo and Flanders was on you. After a while, I decided to break the tie to see what happens, so I unvoted. Flanders then moved off you to somewhere else, and then eventually moved onto Rondo with the explanation that he was always going to end up on Rondo or something.

That initial tie didn't last as long as I originally thought though, at least according to Flanders' vote tags (or lack thereof).

I haven't used any tags to vote when playing on my phone. I find the editor really clumsy and frustrating as hell on mobile.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:32 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:24 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:21 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:10 am I looked back, and at least according to posts, Flanders wasn't on Marmot as long as I thought during the original Marmot v Rondo tie that I broke. This gives me some pause because my tiebreak means a lot less if the VC wasn't as stagnant at the time.

I was in rondo most of the day, already told you that.

Sheesh

And fwiw, I can actually express my thoughts and type proper sentences. I just choose not to because I'm a lazy ass stoner, and I actually have to write "properly" at work.

So quit bugging me, my first name is Stupid.

I'm thinking about your other post, but before I get lost, I'd like to say that it wasn't me that said something about sentences.

AMA

AMA?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:31 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:20 am I was a little suspicious of Sean pointing me to look Flanders the way he did (and more specifically kind of sidestepping my point about Mac), but I do think it's a little townie that Sean reread what he saw on Flanders and backpedalled on it.

But could you still explain what you saw there Sean?

What I saw was that there was a period close to where you and Rondo were tied. I was on Rondo and Flanders was on you. After a while, I decided to break the tie to see what happens, so I unvoted. Flanders then moved off you to somewhere else, and then eventually moved onto Rondo with the explanation that he was always going to end up on Rondo or something.

That initial tie didn't last as long as I originally thought though, at least according to Flanders' vote tags (or lack thereof).

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:26 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:22 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:16 am I'm an arborist, work outside, and speak in 3 word phrases. I find it nice to write complete sentences for a change lol.

Thats cool. I have 6 fruit trees on my property, and do all the pruning on my own with some advice from friend, who's an arborist. I also grow a wide variety of veggies, Cannabis, and care for a smallish collection of bonsai.

But I work in the purchasing and logistics coordination side of the supply chain world, and as such, get the honour of writing tons of shit no one reads.

Oooh what kind? We have a couple cherries at my house (I rent though). I want to convince my landlord to plant one or two more at some point.

Speaking of which, i need to go to bed. Will be around tomorrow.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:21 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:10 am I looked back, and at least according to posts, Flanders wasn't on Marmot as long as I thought during the original Marmot v Rondo tie that I broke. This gives me some pause because my tiebreak means a lot less if the VC wasn't as stagnant at the time.

I was in rondo most of the day, already told you that.

Sheesh

And fwiw, I can actually express my thoughts and type proper sentences. I just choose not to because I'm a lazy ass stoner, and I actually have to write "properly" at work.

So quit bugging me, my first name is Stupid.

I'm thinking about your other post, but before I get lost, I'd like to say that it wasn't me that said something about sentences.

That was me.

I don't mean to call you stupid Flanders (even if it's in your name), I was just commenting on your choice of expression is all.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:21 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:10 am I looked back, and at least according to posts, Flanders wasn't on Marmot as long as I thought during the original Marmot v Rondo tie that I broke. This gives me some pause because my tiebreak means a lot less if the VC wasn't as stagnant at the time.

I was in rondo most of the day, already told you that.

Sheesh

And fwiw, I can actually express my thoughts and type proper sentences. I just choose not to because I'm a lazy ass stoner, and I actually have to write "properly" at work.

So quit bugging me, my first name is Stupid.

I'm thinking about your other post, but before I get lost, I'd like to say that it wasn't me that said something about sentences.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:16 am I'm an arborist, work outside, and speak in 3 word phrases. I find it nice to write complete sentences for a change lol.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:15 am I agree with Flanders' case tbh.

I was confused why he was voting for Porscha when he was, but I don't really see how it was specifically evil. Porscha recognized it better than anyone else did.

The fact that LP chose to sus Porscha there instead of Flanders (who made the vote), isn't good.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:10 am I looked back, and at least according to posts, Flanders wasn't on Marmot as long as I thought during the original Marmot v Rondo tie that I broke. This gives me some pause because my tiebreak means a lot less if the VC wasn't as stagnant at the time.