The Syndicate

GG

EOD is approaching, no one is really here. I assume everyone is ok with this lynch.
Looks like the other mafia member is sacking Jiwon then, or we just suck real bad.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:50 pm

cat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:18 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:44 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:42 am Alison might mmbe scum tho.

I spent the whole of D1 pushing someone who wasn't the 8ball when I had a perfect excuse to push the 8ball. I pushed you because I thought you were scum on Jiwon's wagon, when I could just have easily have used that reasoning to push Nata (who was the 8ball). Michelle cast the deciding vote between Nata and you, which means that the vote was super close. If Michelle had not chosen Nata then we would've exed someone who wasn't the 8ball. If I was scum I could have easily voted Nata or even unvoted near EOD to make the Nata exe go over, but I made it as close as possible. Why would I do any of that if I was scum?

Why are you using something we have no control over as a defense? If you are townie you don't know who the 8ball is.

Yes, and if I was scum I would. And I would be pushing the 8ball so I could get a nightkill.

We can't know that you wouldn't jump on the wagon. You were not present at EOD. But ok sure.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:50 pm

cat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:22 pm I skimmed thread again today a second time.
Other than Jiwon, biggest suspects to me right now are Wilgy and Alison, Alison for D2 and Wilgy for D1. I'm busy with IRL right now so i will reread before i place my vote.

Why did you vote Nata over Falcon?

I townread Falcon.

I will say i'm confused why Jiwon got this defensive and just didn't explain what was going through their head though.

Jiwon, while you are at it, why did you choose to pressure an afk player in particular?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:31 am

cat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:24 am Yeah that theory sounds a little too simple. It could simply be a pressure vote on an afk player. The fact they didn't even notice their vote got replaced proves it wasn't super serious or planned.

Good thing Jiwan has you to defend her

Not sure why you added this post on top. I was pushing them pretty hard D1, i disagree with a theory that really isn't super good and now i'm bad.
Yes i've heard of Occam's Razor, and the most simple explanation is them pressuring an afk player.

Yeah that theory sounds a little too simple. It could simply be a pressure vote on an afk player. The fact they didn't even notice their vote got replaced proves it wasn't super serious or planned.

I skimmed thread again today a second time.
Other than Jiwon, biggest suspects to me right now are Wilgy and Alison, Alison for D2 and Wilgy for D1. I'm busy with IRL right now so i will reread before i place my vote.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:44 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:42 am Alison might mmbe scum tho.

I spent the whole of D1 pushing someone who wasn't the 8ball when I had a perfect excuse to push the 8ball. I pushed you because I thought you were scum on Jiwon's wagon, when I could just have easily have used that reasoning to push Nata (who was the 8ball). Michelle cast the deciding vote between Nata and you, which means that the vote was super close. If Michelle had not chosen Nata then we would've exed someone who wasn't the 8ball. If I was scum I could have easily voted Nata or even unvoted near EOD to make the Nata exe go over, but I made it as close as possible. Why would I do any of that if I was scum?

Why are you using something we have no control over as a defense? If you are townie you don't know who the 8ball is.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:26 pm I hope Sod will not be later than one hour from now on, is already 10:30 P.M for me

Same, past midnight already so rip me.

This is my first one.

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:55 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:34 pm

A Failed Meeting

After a day of investigating, the agents couldn't find anything. So they decided to hold another meeting, in the same building.

But as they got to the meeting, only 7 of them arrived there. One of them wasn't in the room. They waited for an hour, but she didn't come.

Then the phone ringed, and one of the agents picked up. It was from the police. Apparently, their friends' body has been found in an alley, with multiple shot in the chest. She had no objects with her. The briefcase was gone.

Was it the right briefcase? Or one of the decoys? They had no way of knowing. They left in silence and went to their respective hideouts, wondering if they would survive for the night.

Natalija was killed. She was

Spoiler: show

Town

Night 1 Begins!

Can you double check plz? Pretty sure Nat was supposed to be Maf

fake

Real

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:20 pm

cat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:19 pm I'm not as confident on Alison, i was disagreeing with her all game but they seem a lot less sketch then they did to me in the Simpson game.

Who were you in Simpson game?

I was Lisa Simpson. I was sus all game and finally lynched D3.

I'm not as confident on Alison, i was disagreeing with her all game but they seem a lot less sketch then they did to me in the Simpson game.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:22 am FTR i think Natalie is LHF

I expect scum!Natalie to be more involved in the game.

Spoiler: show

I have 3 games iirc with her in my homeforum and her homeforum, and I saw her as town in those games.
If I forgot about one game is probably a mash in other site where my presence was lame and I really don't know who played it with few exceptions.

@Natalija please share reads

They seems to have left the game completely though, what are your thoughts if you assume Natalija just joined the game and these are their posts?

I'll move to Natalija, i still think Falcon is townier than either of them.
[VOTE: Natalija] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:07 am

What makes Long Con's attitude towny?


Do you expect mafia to play as if they are respecting themselves?

Relaxed reaction to pressure.
I'd hope so.

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:53 am

cat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:50 am No i change my mind. My theory is Jiwon and Natalija are buddies.
[VOTE: JiwonMeganPark] aubergine

Why?

You voting eachother felt a little random and it fits with my theory.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:01 am

cat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:38 am I disagree, i dont think Jiwon is the called shot, but im biased because i found D0 sus myself. 3 votes immediatly is obvious to begin with, and shows that atleast 2 townies thought they were being sus. It's most likely Wilgy or me as the called shot.
No self-respecting mafia runs up on their target the instant D1 starts. It's more likely Jiwon is a regular townie or mafia and the other mafia is turning a 2 vote to 3 and making it look like they are LHF. But that's a big brain play so i'm not going after it.

First of all, how do you know there's 2 townies on Jiwon? Why can't both mafia be on them?

Second, if Jiwon was legitimately scummy and was being voted by townies, wouldn't those townies give a strong case on them or provide reasoning as to why they're scum? LIke part of the reason I called Jiwon as the 8ball was because the votes that were put on them came completely out of the blue, and were unsupported by a believable progression and sometimes completely naked/unannounced.

There is little reasoning i agree, one person only provided some empty reads and voted after, another voted at the start of the phase and explained as the phase is going, and third didn't even let people know they voted at first, but theres still guaranteed 1 or more townie in there.
Not everyone is gonna provide cases, especially when reasoning is N0.

I'm one of the townies who thinks Jiwon was being sus D0.

Yo, sorry i was here around 2 hours ago but i had to leave for a bit. I'm around for the rest of the phase.

No i change my mind. My theory is Jiwon and Natalija are buddies.
[VOTE: JiwonMeganPark] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:34 pm Michelle is probably town, but I don't care. I ain't got time for her malarkey

That's pretty towny. I think in general the aggression comes from town. A few points for Michelle too.
Would agree Long Con vote is sketchy but the attitude is towny.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:47 pm Thinking better [VOTE: cat] aubergine

Didn't you say i'm town? What changed your mind?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:56 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:44 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:29 am natalija made an undeclared vote on Jiwon. Also no explanation. So them and Falcon are my scum pool right now.

Wilgy is the towniest player so far (never thought I'd say that), Michelle has been fairly townie and would be extremely so if Falcon is scum. I still townread LC. Everyone else is null.

How does your reads look if I'm town? Which is a guarantee btw.

I still think the wagon that ballooned on Jiwon for no apparent reason was incredibly sketchy. Where I'm standing, the vote movements point towards Jiwon being the 8 ball for being run up very fast the moment D1 started. The fact that it quickly dismantled after I pointed that out suggests that mafia realized they were a bit too obvious and are trying to hide.

So if you're town, I'd look elsewhere on the initial Jiwon wagon for mafia.

I disagree, i dont think Jiwon is the called shot, but im biased because i found D0 sus myself. 3 votes immediatly is obvious to begin with, and shows that atleast 2 townies thought they were being sus. It's most likely Wilgy or me as the called shot.
No self-respecting mafia runs up on their target the instant D1 starts. It's more likely Jiwon is a regular townie or mafia and the other mafia is turning a 2 vote to 3 and making it look like they are LHF. But that's a big brain play so i'm not going after it.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:12 am
A read in night 0 with so little content is brave from my pov no matter his AI.
'If' can cover a lot of bad inputs, from a wrong townie to a mafia pushing a narrative so don't tell me what's hapening if Dr W is mafia because i don't care about Dr. Ws alignament when I say he's brave.

If town he's risking few reads and when he will be questioned he will have to answer a lot, and if mafia it will be harder to push to mislim a town read he already gave and he does not know so early in the game who will be the thread consensus to elim at Eod.

I guess i see your point but there is no explanation to the reads either, so there isn't any guidelines that need to be followed. Wilgy could change his list and say ''i changed my mind'' and there wouldn't be much arguing since there wasn't a reason stated to begin with. If an explanation is required there is a lot of freedom too. If he wasn't doing anything with the read he could brush it off as a reaction test. The reads don't hold any value as it stands. But that probably does make it more flashy and risky in a way.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:35 pm The other game has like 64 pages already. WYA ppl. I want to slank again.

The other game is mostly fluff anyway.

Naked read is empty read without any explanation or context. Just writing down a name and allignment next to it.
I can see it's meta from your side but i wouldn't give points to someone because that's very easy to fake.

But Michelle feels sketchy for saying it's brave.
If it comes from mafia there's nothing brave about it. So my gut says it's likely mafia coming from the perspective that Wilgy is town or just pocketing.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Jiwon was completely focused on game 2 so i'll back the wagon even if it does have 3 votes already. But it felt so blatantly scummy that i'll say if it does flip mafia the voter is already on there.
That would be Falcon/Wilgy/Natalija.

If naked votes are suspicious, why aren't naked reads?

Sixth