The Syndicate

I might not be here for EoD. In the instance I'm CFD'd to for whatever reason (which is whatever. i get it) my legacy is:

town:
amy
nut (99.9% - just about willing to die on this hill)
vul
marl (not just for the derp. i think a v!marl mindset has really started to shine lately)
spf

weaker town:
arete
sunbae
dya

i have no strong reads below this point
iso me for explanations or smthn

bye
sorry i've been pretty manic lately, i know its hard to work with
my head is a jumbled mess

will bring my A game tomorrow

Arete wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:45 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:23 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:55 pm c4's play this phase is just weird imo, he'll occasionally pop in to state these super confident reads like "X is town, Y is a wolf, you're all bad and dumb" then peaces out again

it's like he is expressing a ton of confidence but is not making much of an impact pushing those confident reads?

i also dont get his alison read even if she is villa

@staypositivefriend is outed if she says any of this is AI for me.

@Alison get in here, you're in the lead again.

anyways besides the fact that c4 has spent all day hardshielding Alison I think this post is indicative of him genuinely believing that she was a PR, like, if you read the post as 'get in here Alison, you need to claim' it fits ~perfectly

yeah

people should be mindful of how they engage in this discussion considering its easy to spew yourself as VT (hi)

c4 can you expand on why you think she's JK and show some receipts
because this feels super BS

why would she not have claimed 24+ hours ago like she did in CoV - she knows shes in contention

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:32 pm I think she's acting like this because she's the JK.

dude shes basically a claimed VT lol

she came in yesterday to self-pres and said she thought it was EoD

no claim

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:31 pm how is it that all you guys think I'm a wolf, but then follow my POE almost exactly

i dont think you're a wolf

im making an ass out of myself jesus christ

w not v

bruh im not hard-townreading c4 im just saying CoV *gives me pause* even tho i wanna look his way if alison is v

tempted to self-meta the fuck out of things right now but holding off

im not a wolf i just dont know where the hell my head is at and i've never been in this position before (except maybe late shortnight 2 is similar) which has me like.. super anxious?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:22 pm i...

weh

sorry chloe

but

in case i die i want to make it clear im not at shield-levels of town on chloe and zack might be onto something

no you're fine idk what the hell im doing right now im like a chicken with its head cut off

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:20 pm so wait
like
now what?
are wolves just hard bussing alison or?
i'm really having a hard time building a world around this
like
say alison flips red
who is a wolf

idfk

the fact that her wagon has been primarily pushed by dya, and i dont read them as being w/w - and dya's sheer insistence is rather villagery - leads me to believe she wasnt a planned bus
i dont think anyone other than dya is really getting credit for this wagon so whats the point

wolves either took the approach of trying to shuttle votes elsewhere or beginning to bus when it became clear alison is going over no matter what

idk maybe c4? but hes nothing like CoV which is giving me pause

idk what the solve is regardless of her alignment rn
im just lost

i think wagons could be v/v but dya is a bigger asset to town than a 0-posting alison

im legit annoyed at this point that she isnt posting - regardless of her alignment. its just super frustrating
i want to be right but im probably not if shes not going to bother to do anything to defend herself in the slightest

fuck it

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

no more joy_wowee

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:12 pm honestly dya has such conviction in alison flipping red that they're either just v or it's the stupid fucking bus thing and i dont think it's the stupid fucking bus thing

yeah
dya never taking their foot off the gas and the sheer insistence feels like a villagery tunnel

i heavily heavily doubt this is a bus here - it'd have started early d1 and continued even after they lost a buddy - which is entirely unnecessary

and the fact that dya is *still* townreading my slot even though im incredibly manic right now and even voting them is making me do brain somersaults

i might just give in and and drop my ego

idk what the fuck alison is doing but dya is doing at least 100x more

if im pulling another joy_wowee i might implode

im becoming marl

im doubling down out of ego

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:54 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:49 am

Chloe wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:41 amdizzy's treatment of seth is a big ol' whatze fuck but so incredibly unnecessary and against the grain as a wolf that i feel it's villagery

For the last time. My treatment of Gavial was that I thought it was likely he was mafia, and I wanted him to spew the fuck out of his teammates. I have just finished a game where us two were the mafia team, and he death tunnelled me for no reason from the get go, and it looked very janky, so if he was mafia I wanted to give him ample opportunity to get messy in the thread and create more stuff around him.

I've explained this a few times now. I don't really see what's so crazy about it.

@Chloe I just realised you probably haven't read my explanations for this, so fair comment on your end. I just got annoyed because I feel like I've explained this a lot. And it's like people are asking "Why would scum do this" and come up with "No compute", but they don't ask "Why would town do this" and then take into account the actual reason why. (Or at least one of the reasons, other being I just wanted to create [stuff])

Okay, thank you! And apologies
your annoyance feels villagery dont mind me

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:59 am

Chloe wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:26 am wait what the fuck do my remaining posts carry over to tomorrow?

i've never played with something like that

this is amazing

they dont you get 100 each day which is why my cap for today is like 180 something

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
okay gotcha im an idiot who read something wrong ty

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 5:16 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:08 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:03 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:02 pm I'm not sure why amy and dya have to be aligned with each other at all

because alison is omgusing

I am yes.

I did not put Amy and you into a team together, I just said you two were my suspects.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:09 pm I think in this specific state my OMGUSes are a lot more likely to be correct than usual so I would appreciate if people didn't brush it off as "oh she's just OMGUSing".

this is a v strange string of posts
it just doesnt feel genuine?

I actually got the opposite impression of these? I agreed with arete earlier that the whole "yeah im OMGUSing, but my OMGUSing is RIGHT" is kinda villagery

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 5:23 am i think alison and dya do have some potential as partners just because of the way they've been treating each other
it feels like dya and soah in reflections a bit

i disagree - i dont think the two have much partner equity
also wasnt dya like.. hard defending soah in reflections? i thought they were doing the opposite of what theyre doing here lol

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:21 am
Chloe, what do you find villagery from alison? that she seemingly has no agenda? And while I bus as a wolf, I never bus like this

Some very base-level things, like the fact that I don't understand what the hell she's doing here if she's a wolf. I don't get why she would put herself in such a weirdass position with her Gavial defense, why it feels like there's zero indication of agenda from her, and theres no direction at all. Like.. she's not doing jack shit to try to get other people to go over before she does. I agree with c4's assessment at SoD (and i find it kinda odd that its not really being brought up). I honestly believe that she wouldn't have acted how she did and faked not knowing when EoD is - and even if she *did* she would either do a last-second PR claim to shuttle votes elsewhere, or actually attempt to get someone else wagoned with more than a 'voting here for self pres. bye'

I don't hard townread her by any means, but I do think shes >rand V

And admittedly the fact that people are now tying me in with her for ??? reasons makes my brain do a big middle finger and i want to be right for the sweet 'i told you so'

Like
What the fuck ever, she probably dies no matter what because shes contributing legit nothing and not defending herself
But I don't think shes a hit

bronana wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 12:36 pm I don't think dya is a wolf. it's possible I'm wrong of course, I'll deservedly eat shit if I am, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I think they're just town and they have also been on Alison's case all game who is also the person I want to kill. I have not seen any compelling reason to think Alison is a villa, she is putting surprisingly little effort in to solve the game.

it's odd, I would have expected the votes to shift to Alison after Amy's claim, but dya is now in the lead by 3 votes, and one of the alison voters is visor who has been one of the hardest dya pushers this game. dark forces etc

I kinda think Chloe is just a wolf regardless of whether there are 0, 1, or 2 wolves in alison/dya. this one's harder to explain and I'll need to go look back at stuff to flesh it out more / check myself. tangy has been an obvious villager for me every game I've played with her, and this time she just wasn't and the progression on kza also looks bad. I agree to some extent with visor's take on Chloe's posts, a lot of repetition and catch up walls that seem like busy work I'm sure she is capable of posting as mafia. I can't put my finger quite on it but their reads are developing in this weird way that seems more like a hyper aware reaction to the game state than a natural development .

in any case most everyone wants to see Alison/dya resolved before they'll entertain Chloe, and I think I also want to see that resolved first too but I wanted to put this out there. not sure who the third wolf is (for some reason I want to say Sunbae? meh) need some time to figure out that one and it's putting the cart before the horse regardless.

Are we reading the same game?
I honestly am getting to the point where it feels like you're doing whatever you can to make sure people don't lock me in as a villager. Your treatment of me doesn't feel like you're truly trying to figure me out.
I'm not doing 'busywork.' I'm providing what thoughts I have with what information I have and trying to get a better understanding of what the hell is happening in this game. I'm finally caught up with all the Day 1 events so i feel more comfortable giving thoughts without them being backed-up by my interpretation of things that happened - based on what other people have been saying.

Alison *continuing* to do nothing is a huge Whatze Fuck moment and im starting to wonder if shes just in antispew

I dont get it

---

I'll respond to pings and catch up fully in a bit when im free but
yeah

Idk what the heck shes doing regardless of alignment anymore

Expected to wake up to *something* lol

actually

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

still plan on the ISO in the mornin' but yeah this is where my head is at with these 2 wagons

goodnight!

continuing through d1:

multiple people have brought up c4's shortened readslists and asked him to please stop using that formatting. it actually kinda rubs me the wrong way that hes pretty much ignoring requests to cooperate. maybe hes smug town that wont change his playstyle to appeal to the masses but i feel like he'd state that somewhere?

just had a really dumb chloe moment
thought someone tmi'd their buddy but then realized i just suck at reading
lol

dizzy's treatment of seth is a big ol' whatze fuck but so incredibly unnecessary and against the grain as a wolf that i feel it's villagery

spf actually bothering to interact with seth and trying to dig into his brain is a good look as it seems the consensus is to just brush him off as wolfy and accept that he's the chop. no dunk-fest or painting him in a bad light. this doesnt feel like the spf i saw in CoV either. no indication of hardbussing for the c r e d, and her posts dont feel overly padded? also a distinct lack of lampshading which is good
(i'll also add on that her progression on me doesnt give me any bad vibes)
tossing out the How To Find SPF As Town guide pretty early on initially felt premature to me and very out of place. didnt like it. im usually not a fan of that type of thing. though upon re-read im actually leaning in the opposite direction now. its ever-so-slightly townie to break the flow of the thread willingly.. and at the same time doing something blatantly gross (self-meta! woo!) yet her post doesn't feel like shes using it as a crutch or gaslighting (for lack of a better word) the thread into thinking shes been villagery af bro! (either of which i'd expect from a wolf more than just a 'hi heres a little thing on how to figure me out. do with it what you will i guess' and leaving it at that)
reading the whole sunbae/spf interaction with a clearer mind makes me realize i was pretty damn conf-biased my first time around just because of how icky i found the guide in general, and i kinda.. wanted her to be a wolf a little bit? still think sunbae DIVING in and going ham, as well as the follow-up discussion with spf, is fairly villagery

this isnt really the type of associative-read i'd expect from a woofer? this is a read i think applies *much* more to anyone newer to wolfing, or fm in general, but it goes a level deeper than what i'm used to seeing from wolves so ye its a good vibe

pretty much every new nut posts just solidifies my read there
on a related note i didnt mention this earlier i dont think (?) but i think the fact that dya hasnt found nut when im like.. really confident there, is concerning? im see-saw between it being wolfy and it being villagery but i dont really understand it at this point - and from what i saw it was mostly based on the fact that shes not as.. bouncy as they're used to? @dyachei i can you expand on your nut read for me please? i could be getting snowed, but i really dont think i am. i'd appreciate a more fleshed out post or two that i can dig into please (will check and make sure i didnt miss anything from you wrt nut after im done with this)

im reading through alison's take regarding seth and i can see an argument for it being tmi - but i dont get why she would do that and what she thinks she gets from his flip? she'd have to know she'd look bad? like, if shes a wolf i cant help but get the feeling shes positioning herself to be bussed and put the other wolves in a better position, but also.. we're down a wolf and thats super risky and not optimal. im preflipping a bit but if alison flips wolf PR i think dya is just lickity lock. if she flips goon i think theres a chance she could be being bussed *i guess* (heavily heavily doubt tbqh) but i dont fully feel like fully entertaining either of these worlds without a flip. i personally think shes flippin v.

lol @ nut just assuming seth is a wolf lmao - then in the next post remembering wolf prs exist. like cmonn the girl is a villager

feel like arete would just be contributing to the dunk-fest on seth and moreso trying to stop people from finding him, rather than bringing up actual legitimate points in his favor. not a very strong read of mine since i didnt see a lot of action to back up their words and this is mostly based on What I Expect From Wolfrete but yeah its a better look than not tbh. and their fear that they'll be paired with seth if he flips w is kinda pure yeah

this post from hally has good thoughts wrt marl - i vibe with them
the series of posts here has some of the upbeat chaotic energy i expect from villamorl

i'm a HUGE sucker for emotions and seeing dya get upset at how people are treating them is hard for me to not assign some townpoints. otherwise i dont have many thoughts on them wrt d1 (but ugh this feels TMI-y considering their read on nut :/)
if wagons stay like this i'll probably be going dya just because of a few things i find as somewhat townie from alison
dya is my first iso to look into in the morning


ohmygod im finally caught up on everything
i finally understand what the hell is happening in this game lmao
i can see clearly now, the rain is gone

bye

wait what the fuck do my remaining posts carry over to tomorrow?

i've never played with something like that

this is amazing

alison/dya isnt a world unless the plan is to send exactly dya deep
but like why the hell
they'd be down a partner *already* and its extremely suboptimal
and dya would have to explain being freakin alive in lylo after dunking on alison

its not really a world in my mind

oh god i have things to say but they're probably -EV aadiakjdnjkwadjwdjkw

i'll hold off but my brain is mega niarbing rn over something
weh

okay well now my world has been rocked a bit

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

not cc'ing

also yeah faking not knowing when eod is is a possibility but that doesnt change the fact that shes locked in as a VT claim now

Basic Reads That I'm Oddly Confident in Episode IX

im just a gamer, vul

it runs in the chlebze bloodline

people who have experience playing with alison:

would wolf!alison fake being unaware of when EoD is and self-pres without a PR claim? shes locked into a VT claim now pretty much
isnt she one of the people who thinks fakeclaiming PR for the cc or potential to live another day is almost always optimal or am i mixing her up with someone else

i keep clicking hally's signature spoiler thinking theres a spicy read in there then being disappointed

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:09 am like that sunbae post i just quoted when catching up that felt super wolfy and self aware nobody even commented on

i agree it sounded overly self-aware but i wasnt sure if it was me being dumb and missing a joke so i didnt comment

just saw your post about it my b

if shes a wolf im gunna feel like a big ol nerd but like

whatze fuck ever

expanding my horizons or some shit

i just dont feel it

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:06 am wolfing with them in deck mafia, their wim was probably already super low after the loss
idk if this is their direct next game or not but if they did rand wolf back to back with that game it could explain why their wim is demonstrably low this game

im ngl i didnt think alison was someone who gets hit with wimdrops
i dont know her super well but from my few convos with her shes pretty level-headed and 'gg go next'

i dont think her disconnect is super duper AI, really

okay im ngl ive had this thought going through my head for a while but its bit me in the ass before so ive been not really wanting to share

but like
what the hell is alison's gameplan as a wolf? i dont understand. is she being set up to push the other wolves deeper via bus? does she legitimately have zero gameplan and shes super disconnected from the thread?

to be fair i dont know what shes doing if shes a villager either but the fact that i cant pinpoint any true direction or agenda from her gives me a lot of doubts about the wagon being a hit

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:57 am yeah like

what is the meat tho

there is none

but it feels like he thinks there actually is some somehow

'its fol gang vs the rest'

yet doesnt expand on things about us when asked

can we at least try to bridge the gap and not give us shit for not expanding our boundaries

i have secondhand annoyance

also i cant really do jack shit about people scumreading me based off of tangy so im mostly ignoring posts that focus on tangy/kza or whatever

if people want to talk about *me* im more than willing to chat a bit

its a really skewed way to view the game but i cant help but get bad feelings when people bring up tangy stuff
idk what im supposed to do with it
im chloe not tangy
but i get that im still in tangy's slot and she shouldnt go ignored
its just really frustrating i wish i was here from the start

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:14 am the derpclear is irrelevant
i think my posting this game has been good and i've been doing a good job of evaluating people
also you know i've been trying to cut back on tunneling people, it's the main thing i can do to improve
i'm proud of my play so far and it's a little insulting that the only reason you have to townread me is because of the derpclear

also i AM trying to read you off of non-derpclear things
and ive said as much
i dont like your posts really, and ive been saying that for 10,000 years
i've been tossing around the idea that it might be a playerlist/site thing and im okay with giving you the benefit of the doubt for a bit
and i've only really started seeing villa-marl since around the time when you came into the thread before the derpclear

i really do want more from you even tho im more confident in you being a villabro lately
i dont mean to offend you, and im sorry if i have - and i realize its hypocritical of me to say your iso feels skeletal but its my real thoughts

also im in a better mental state now than i was earlier thank fuck

tryina expand my horizons currently

if anyone wants me to do an iso hmu
otherwise im continuing my d1 read

kinda v-read marl being legitimately peeved that hes being townread for something so low-level and people not commenting on the actual meat of his posts
im starting to feel the ego i expected
or maybe ego isnt the word
idk
self-centeredness?
marlness

i also kinda share the feeling wrt how hes talking to visor rn
since visor (or it mighta been zack? think it was visor) brought up a concern with my slot and when i asked them to pull up receipts i got left on read

ye adios

am useless rn

back laterbye

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:55 pm

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:54 pm i guess im at like

nut / vul / marl
sunbae / spf / arete / c4

for strong townreads and weaker townreads
no specific order

everyone else is a big fat 'lol idfk'

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmrrrrrrrr

i am getting real tired of you saying this

this is about the 20th post where you're like IDK LOL FRIENDOS

you keep talking about the SAME DAMN NAMES in these lists. why do we need to see the 200th reiteration of the same names and the same orders and the same lists

what r u doin pal.

throwin shit in the thread in the hopes i'll have an epiphany, mostly

i guess im at like

nut / vul / marl
sunbae / spf / arete / c4

for strong townreads and weaker townreads
no specific order

everyone else is a big fat 'lol idfk'

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmrrrrrrrr

please dont read this as AtE or anything i just feel a moral obligation to apologize for not being very helpful while ive been around

just hard for me to get into the meat of this game for a multitude of reasons weh

promise to do as much as humanly possible when my brain isn't fried

this might be me being dumb but the fact that c4's entire schtick is that progression cases are bad
makes me feel like trying to read him off of progression isnt the way to go

lmfao

ye dya was in cov

i think c4 is town yeah

this is like
absolutely nothing at all like his CoV game
like the contrast is giant

as the self-proclaimed Person Who Brought Attention to c4 in CoV i declare him villagery

bronana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:02 pm not really

it was words, i read it, seemed okay but did not make much of an impression on me. i agree with the people who've talked about the thread being so dense that sometimes i feel like i just read shit and don't really process it fully and am like yeah whatever

i just thought it was weird you spent a paragraph talking about nutella's d1 acting like you were unsure (and then coming to a townread anyway) when it seemed like that you'd talked a lot about why they're lock v already

i'm a poor, innocent villager maam please be nice to mister bronana

okay danke

yeah i still heavily believe nutto to be a villager but i wanna express all the thoughts i had either overNight or any new things that come up as i read in greater depth

nobody is free of my scrutiny >:)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:55 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:52 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:43 pm @Amy Should I bus you?

um

is scumchat on the Syndicate usually on Discord or on the forum itself?

lmao arete really is just town huh

For real though. Couldn't even tell if joke or serious from Aroot. o.o

its a real thought from arete tbh

they dont have a great sarcasm detector but i still love them