The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:24 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:20 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:14 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:08 pm Dubz has been straddling turning for a while- if Michelle had been yeeted instead, Dubz would have turned mafia and win with them.
I thought Michelle was the virtue, but I knew I couldn't push her. I'm curious what Wilgy and Falcon's roles did.
Of course I was, and I was the one with the post restriction as well. The limit was 10 posts and it put 2 votes on you when exceeding it and i targeted you N1 because i misread it and I thought i give you the power of 2 votes.
Svs was a SR but she succeed to talk me out of that suspicion.

Scotty, can you share all the actions?
That's pretty funny. Were you the one that picked me to post a lot too?
Read Matahari's role

You're right, I didn't do that lol.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:17 pm Good game y'all. Twas fun!

Thanks Scotty for the host! and thank you Mods!

Town, I'm sorry I failed you. I take the blame for this one entirely.

You ended up being impossible to mislim and you had good reads. You definitely didn't fail town.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:20 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:14 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:08 pm Dubz has been straddling turning for a while- if Michelle had been yeeted instead, Dubz would have turned mafia and win with them.
I thought Michelle was the virtue, but I knew I couldn't push her. I'm curious what Wilgy and Falcon's roles did.
Of course I was, and I was the one with the post restriction as well. The limit was 10 posts and it put 2 votes on you when exceeding it and i targeted you N1 because i misread it and I thought i give you the power of 2 votes.
Svs was a SR but she succeed to talk me out of that suspicion.

Scotty, can you share all the actions?

That's pretty funny. Were you the one that picked me to post a lot too?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:08 pm Dubz has been straddling turning for a while- if Michelle had been yeeted instead, Dubz would have turned mafia and win with them.

I thought Michelle was the virtue, but I knew I couldn't push her. I'm curious what Wilgy and Falcon's roles did.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:10 pm I knew Thunal is bad but I had no allies to push for her chop.

Who killed Sean?

No idea, it wasn't even us. You played great btw, and I enjoyed the power wolfing compliment!

I can't wait to see all the mech reveals.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:06 pm Very fun setup Scotty. Well done.

Tough for me. I was trying to align with somebody, ANYBODY, because I know damn well I would never make it LMS.

How many of you guys were LMS? I wasn't, I would be removed from the game if I met my 3p wincon.

GG everyone! Thanks @Scotty for a great game! @S~V~S you were an amazing teammate! Civs played really well, we wanted to kill Wilgy or Michelle but you guys made yourselves unpushable.

I really hope town can win this.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:53 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:46 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:43 pm I slept too little time

I mean, it's a lot of dedication to wake up for a 4 am EoD at all.
I got used to it, that's one reason I should stop playing here and at MU.
I came here on this game to play with the players I like so much, I couldn’t resist

Aw, that's really nice.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:43 pm I slept too little time

I mean, it's a lot of dedication to wake up for a 4 am EoD at all.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:42 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:26 pm I feel that Dubz is like, the correct choice only if Thunal is a teammate.

SVS not being here for the past 24 hours gives me the heejobeejos
I do wonder why she isn't breaking her postcap.
Could JD afford to potentially be blocked?

Maybe not. But I think a town with a night action or a 3p sin wouldn't want to be blocked either.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:40 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:37 pm I think it makes the most sense to stay on Mata. I'm fairly confident she isn't town at this point and I don't have the same level of confidence with anyone else.
I only hope she is mafia and not a sin, fingers crossed

Me too. I don't like waiting for flips.

I think it makes the most sense to stay on Mata. I'm fairly confident she isn't town at this point and I don't have the same level of confidence with anyone else.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:26 pm I feel that Dubz is like, the correct choice only if Thunal is a teammate.

SVS not being here for the past 24 hours gives me the heejobeejos

I do wonder why she isn't breaking her postcap.

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:10 pm @Dubz why did you target a low poster with a curse that asks him to low post? And, did you steal his vote? Or did you block him? Or both? Just curious.

Is there anything else you want to say?

I'm looking at Dubz's posts rn and I think on a social level she was acting like a 3p with a real claim instead of a fakeclaiming mafia. Like this reads honest to me.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:44 pm I don't know how much I am legally allowed to say without breaking the rules about revealing so I will just say I have been trying really hard to hunt for Sins/JD and just been bad at it

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:57 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:02 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:16 pm Am I dumb or something? Why is Dubz incorrect to yeet rn?
Right now there's either 3 civ 2 sin 2 mafia or 3 civ 3 sin 1 mafia. If we eliminate Dubz, there's either 3 civ 1 sin 2 mafia or 3 civ 2 sin 1 mafia. If Falcon dies from being in critical condition and is civ, it's 2 civ 1 sin 2 mafia (loss) or 2 civ 2 sin 1 mafia. If mafia NKs a civ in addition then the 1 mafia situation is also a loss since it would be 1 civ 2 sin 1 mafia.

So if we did eliminate Dubz we'd basically be betting on some civ deaths not happening. It's possible town could win if say, there's 1 mafia and Falcon doesn't die or if there's 1 mafia and Falcon or the NK isn't civ. But I don't want to risk it.
Ok, See I get that, but how do we know Dubz is a sin and not just JD?
We don't for sure. I think she is because it seems like the role in the setup is an every night thing just like Dubz claimed to have. Nobody else claimed the post restrictions or Nanook's block either.
Why would there be a need to cc that if you are Sloth and are expecting to swap teams?

That's actually a good point on the post restrictions that were public. For the block, if Dubz didn't block Nanook someone else did and I don't think she would know if sloth would be that person.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:02 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:16 pm Am I dumb or something? Why is Dubz incorrect to yeet rn?
Right now there's either 3 civ 2 sin 2 mafia or 3 civ 3 sin 1 mafia. If we eliminate Dubz, there's either 3 civ 1 sin 2 mafia or 3 civ 2 sin 1 mafia. If Falcon dies from being in critical condition and is civ, it's 2 civ 1 sin 2 mafia (loss) or 2 civ 2 sin 1 mafia. If mafia NKs a civ in addition then the 1 mafia situation is also a loss since it would be 1 civ 2 sin 1 mafia.

So if we did eliminate Dubz we'd basically be betting on some civ deaths not happening. It's possible town could win if say, there's 1 mafia and Falcon doesn't die or if there's 1 mafia and Falcon or the NK isn't civ. But I don't want to risk it.
Ok, See I get that, but how do we know Dubz is a sin and not just JD?

We don't for sure. I think she is because it seems like the role in the setup is an every night thing just like Dubz claimed to have. Nobody else claimed the post restrictions or Nanook's block either.

I had to double check that in my head since I got confused and I'm a math nerd.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:16 pm Am I dumb or something? Why is Dubz incorrect to yeet rn?

Right now there's either 3 civ 2 sin 2 mafia or 3 civ 3 sin 1 mafia. If we eliminate Dubz, there's either 3 civ 1 sin 2 mafia or 3 civ 2 sin 1 mafia. If Falcon dies from being in critical condition and is civ, it's 2 civ 1 sin 2 mafia (loss) or 2 civ 2 sin 1 mafia. If mafia NKs a civ in addition then the 1 mafia situation is also a loss since it would be 1 civ 2 sin 1 mafia.

So if we did eliminate Dubz we'd basically be betting on some civ deaths not happening. It's possible town could win if say, there's 1 mafia and Falcon doesn't die or if there's 1 mafia and Falcon or the NK isn't civ. But I don't want to risk it.

I've even tinfoiled that Falcon could be a sin targeted by mafia or a mafia targeted by a sin but I think it's unlikely enough that I'm not going to consider Falcon.

I feel similarly with Michelle. I think Michelle's solving is in her town meta too and I don't think she'd do something like ask Rondo if he cares town is going to lose if she knows Rondo isn't mafia so I think she's at least uninformed.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:30 pm Game is hard. Everyone talk to me about SVS. I'm doubting that read now.

Right now I don't really feel confident calling anyone town including her and it's frustrating me. I do believe Kate genuinely read her as town and when I checked her ISO against her wolf game that I spectated her solving felt better here. Like her thoughts on Kate feel like she had actually tried to solve Kate. I'd guess she's uninformed at least.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:52 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:15 pm...

Eod 1 wagons

DaughterOfOmega 1 Epignosis
falcon45ca 1 Seanzie
jackofhearts2005 1 pyxxy
Porscha 10 tutuu, MacDougall, RondoDimBuckle, Roxy, Zenon, Jackofhearts2005, Thunal33, Dennis, Kate, falcon45ca
Seanzie 1 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
tutuu 7 Matahari, Porscha, DrWilgy, DaughterOfOmega, Dubz, S~V~S, Michelle

...
None of the red names was red at Eod 1, they were converted N1 and N2 and their spew doesn't show anything because they couldn't know who JD is

Wait, N1 and N2? Why would you think they were converted different nights? They could have been converted at the same time.

After some thought I think I'd rather go here.

[VOTE: Matahari] aubergine

I think Mata has a better chance to hit maf than Wilgy and has JD equity.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:02 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:44 am Further if there was any risk of Seanzie figuring out I was wolf by being in BTSC with them, why wouldn't have I just pulled the trigger asap?

Nothing makes sense if you think I was the one who shot Seanzie.
Atp I’m pretty confident you didn’t shoot Seanzie. My paranoia was that you were bad and didn’t shoot Seanzie because of the difference in how you reacted to the idea that you did.
I mean, this argument could be also applied to a town who didn't shoot Seanzie in equal measure.

The weight of the argument would have to be 'look at how opportunistic' Wilgy was otherwise the argument just as easily is 'T or W wilgy didn't shoot Seanzie', and I didn't feel that from what you were saying.

If I'm wolf, was I being opportunistic to claim a clear that I had no Idea I was going to get? Do you really think I fooled Seanzie into outright saying that I was clear?

If you had full role exchanged with Seanzie then why weren't you expecting to be cleared in his eyes?

Also, how long did you have BTSC with Sean for?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:57 am Well, if I have to trust Wilgy as town, which is very hard at this moment, that means Falcon is the other one by logic of him being in critical condition (caveat a gambit from scum to present him as almost dying without it to be the case, but that's not a tinfoil I am willing to entertain today).

So everyone else would be scum, so
Maybe that's not really the case?

We never chop Dubz btw, if there's a small chance for town victory it comes from the wolves killing her if we chop a sin today because I understood in that case she becomes town and she is confirmed.

Please correct me if i am wrong that's from the top of my head.

Now. I see an effort from everyone to solve and all but I waited something more substantial, more lively, more concrete than what I read in the last posts.

Sigh

Responding to the bold, there are 3 sins left and we know at least 2 of them are unconverted. If we chop a sin we don't know if she becomes town or not since we don't know about the second sin.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:25 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:19 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:15 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:12 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:02 pm -
all other Deadly Sins die or change alignment before all Virtues are dead, you will become town-aligned
-If all Virtues die before all other Sins die, you will become mafia, gaining BTSC with all other members a full phase after becoming mafia
.

Any other sin dying would be fine ig, except there's one more sin with the same ability to become town or one who only keep 3rd party rand and can't become mafia.

If we are at 2 baddies rn, there's still hope anyway.

@Falcon45ca i need you buddy

Hey ho, I'm here
Sup dood?

Not much, you?

I hear you're looking for just 1 other town...who's yout best guess?
I'm honestly not sure. Hard to sort between lost 3p, lost w, and lost t. If everyone is just independent here it's a matter of hunting for the sk and that's VERY much out of my skill set.

Also need to hope that the nk hits a lost sin.

This game is honestly frustrating and I fear we've already lost. Even if we hit mafia town still might lose and it's really hard for me to distinguish uninformed baddies from town.

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:56 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:41 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:38 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:56 pm Mata is never town, btw

My honest read and no one is pushing her either.
Mean while Falcon is voting me and is not even here to talk to me.
I don’t know what you mean here. I’ve only played in 3 or 4 games since anniversary game, and I was only wolf in one of them - LG+M, and I got called out the first day I was under difficult circumstances in that game, but if doesn’t change the fact that I suck worse at being bad than I do at being town. Once upon a time in the classic years, I did ok, but not the way ppl play now

Please tell me if I’m getting this right. If we get a sin today, and John Doe gets a sin tonight, then that is hopeful for town, correct? But if we miselim a virtue today, or JD gets a virtue tonight, then it’s at Lylo?
If Falcon's wounds remove him from the game somehow then this is lylo.
Thank you. If we eliminate a sin today, would that keep us out of Lylo, or maybe give us another day?

Right now unless a sin converted to town we're at 3 civ 2 sin 2 maf or 3 civ 3 sin 1 maf. Sin dies, at night we're in 3 civ 1 sin 2 maf or 3 civ 2 sin 1 maf. If Falcon dies and flips civ and mafia NKs a civ it's 1 civ 1 sin 2 maf or 1 civ 2 sin 1 maf and town loses in both of those cases. So we have to kill mafia today.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:39 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:15 pm I’ll be gone for a little bit but when I get back I’m reevaluating my PoE. If the game is easy I don’t think Michelle and Wilgy suddenly turn to “omg maybe Thunal is fooling us all!” unless they’re the exact team which I highly doubt. I’m getting tinfoiled because the game isn’t easy. I think I might be misclearing mafia.
So we've hit Lust, Pride, Greed, Wrath and still need to deal with JD, Envy, Sloth and Gluttony.

lol, I just realized I only need to solve 1 other town since there's 3 of us. and then I know where to yeet. Just a matter of shooting the correct sins/jd.

So tell me everyone, why are you the last town lmao?

I already made a bunch of defense posts and I'm not going to make more unless I need to. I think the other towns will be better able to find me through my solving process.

I wonder if JD is working alone and that's why the game feels hard. We know there's at least 1 non-Dubz sin that's still 3p and there's no reason there can't be 2.

I’ll be gone for a little bit but when I get back I’m reevaluating my PoE. If the game is easy I don’t think Michelle and Wilgy suddenly turn to “omg maybe Thunal is fooling us all!” unless they’re the exact team which I highly doubt. I’m getting tinfoiled because the game isn’t easy. I think I might be misclearing mafia.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:01 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:53 pm I’m definitely not posting the minimum possible either. I’ve posted a whole lot this game including little out of the box observations I’d have a really hard time faking.
Do you say you are out of your scum range?

Yes, I think my solving is clearly my town solving and I took more care in actually trying to figure out my pushes alignments than I pretended to in solar system.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:57 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:53 pm I’m definitely not posting the minimum possible either. I’ve posted a whole lot this game including little out of the box observations I’d have a really hard time faking.
I know you can power wolf, do you have anything this game that you think sets you apart from how you played in Solar System Mafia specifically? That's what I thought to be the most recent reference to you being a scummuffin.

For one thing I don’t push Mac and I also don’t express the strong belief he can find me as town. That would be very risky. There are a lot of small reads that show my town solving process that I wouldn’t think of faking if I were scum, probably not even uninformed scum because it shows the effort I put in to making sure I’m right. Getting excited about the pyxxy maf flip and immediately looking at spew is also towny for me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:44 am Further if there was any risk of Seanzie figuring out I was wolf by being in BTSC with them, why wouldn't have I just pulled the trigger asap?

Nothing makes sense if you think I was the one who shot Seanzie.

Atp I’m pretty confident you didn’t shoot Seanzie. My paranoia was that you were bad and didn’t shoot Seanzie because of the difference in how you reacted to the idea that you did.

I’m definitely not posting the minimum possible either. I’ve posted a whole lot this game including little out of the box observations I’d have a really hard time faking.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:45 pm About the quote from Thunal, the read she made for Porscha and for me are meta reads and are not hard to make by a skilled wolf.
Dizzy is always doing it when he is wolfing, describing my play in a way i can accept to be a real thought.

What I dislike about Thunal is the post about being in good shape (at Sod after Epi flipped with 3 townies - how on Earth losing 3 townies at once meant good shape?) and the impression I have from this Sod that she is a robot playing, applying an algorithm instead searching for truth.

I tried to check if anyone is tinfoiling her, I waited to see if her solve is towning up, but she posts exactly the minimum possible to keep solving appareances without making waves.

This is not how a townie plays imo.
I admire her (like usual) regardless alignament, and I am aware mafia and the sins will never vote for her if I am right.

Back to townies being in short supply, I can't play alone, come here folks!!!

That was actually the wrong phase. I felt good when pyxxy died in the night and Kate flipped sin the previous day with Dennis being outed since I thought 3 baddies dead/outed was good for d3.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:20 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:05 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:44 pm
Spoiler: show
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:22 am Ah, a 22 day game 1 and it's not champs...

Can either a 3p or a townie give me a tldr? Wolves stay quiet, I want no misinformation from you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:32 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:24 pm @DrWilgy srsly curious. How can anyone on D 1 of *this* game have tmi?
Is this something to do specifically with THIS game? Because jokes on you if you think I've read the setup outside of the rules.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:45 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:25 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Rn this is my best guess.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:19 pm
While I agree. This is a TMI pocket attempt.
I looked at this post a lot and in addition to the possibilities of Wilgy being scum with TMI or it being a fake derp, Wilgy could also be 3p who didn't know that there was only one wolf in the game and thought wolves would have TMI.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:20 am

Does Pyxxy legitimately think that voting me would suddenly turn a post that should be NAI to a post that should be NAI? How does your voting me ACTUALLY make a difference here?

I wasn't giving you anything AI in the first place.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:05 am

Thank you. Can you express the gist of Mac as well?
These quotes are here as examples of how Wilgy sort of has these disconnected thoughts and doesn't follow up on anything. So far his posts feel like trying to look busy rather than solving.
If this is busy work, then you don't know what busy work is my friend.

I'm just chillin till the thread slows down.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:58 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:56 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:00 am Slay the outed one!

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
do you have any reads to share with the class?
Nope. I'm just sheeping people that sound correct to sheep.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:47 pm
Dubz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:58 am

Nope. I'm just sheeping people that sound correct to sheep.
Wouldn't that by definition mean you're reading the people you're sheeping
I suppose so, but I wouldn't be able to tell you why.

I'm sad Seanzie is gone, as they were who I sheeped last cycle and today.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:30 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:20 am This is for myself, a kind of reads list, but in the poll order

Dennis - outed scum

DrWilgy - low impact, maybe a sin, if not please play @DrWilgy

Dubz - busy IRL, relaxed tone, idk

Epignosis - i liked the analysis of the setup but that's not really AI.

falcon45ca - good tone, low impact, in the upper part of the null

jackofhearts2005 - time will tell, maybe town, not on the chopping block but he should show his towny soul if that’s his alignment

Macdougall - tinfoilable unfortunately. Not today.

Matahari - not very towny, not really scummy. I didn't notice agenda, so I will put her also above null.

Michelle -

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - suspicious

RondoDimBuckle - self confidemt, making a reactionary play, RTs, meh. Idk, hopefully town

Roxy - towny

S~V~S - looked like she is solving but i don't get the Poe except Nook, please explain @S~V~S

Thunal33 - my top town previous days, gives me paranoia for her fear of dying yday, but still town.
I'm not a sin silly, and I am playing. Just not in a way that's constructive at all.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:38 pm Hoenstly, if it helps to just clear me and remove me from PoE:
I was BTSC with Seanzie before they were killed. Seanzie was helping me get into the game while at the same time I shared all my info with them.

Between BTSC Seanzie's PoE went from including me here:
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:02 pm

Nook, Thun, Jack, Wilgy, Falcon all deserve more scrutiny IMO. You might as well, but this is the first post I think I've seen of you, so I'm not actually qualified to say anything about you at this point.
If I had to order the list it would probably be

Nook
Falcon
Wilgy
Jack
Thun

In order of most likely baddie to least likely baddie.
To not after sharing data:
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:09 am
Dubz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:04 am Is there a sort of...thread consensus POE so I can prioritize ISOs? I've only really looked at flips and where I was mentioned (will get to that shortly), and I skimmed end of D2 last night.
Dennis is outed. We are looking for more baddies. My eyes are on Nook. I am wary of Falcon and Roxy. People like Jack and Epi deserve more scrutiny IMO, but idk if this is consensus, but I am town KING, so what I say, goes.
I share this as I don't think anyone would counter claim me on being in BTSC with Seanzie and Seanzie wouldn't remove me from the PoE without good reason. If less energy is wasted assessing me, I'd say this is a net positive for the town.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:02 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:06 pm @S~V~S yah I do. falcon, Epi and Jack. Tinfoil- Thunal.

New tinfoil is that Wigly had BTSC with Seanzie was going to outed and killed him in the middle of it. Except that Seanzie said he had outed 2 (Kate/Dennis) and cleared 1 (was it Wigly or was he saying that to get reactions idk bc he never outright said who he had cleared)

Also in one of my previous posts to you you said "I don't really see any questions except for inre: Dennis" but I was just responding to you and giving you my thoughts no questions you are correct.
Considering Seanzie had posted that I was removed from the PoE at the exact same time they were shot, this doesn't make sense.

If my strategy as W was to convince Seanzie I was town and to pull myself out of PoE, I would've waited to ensure I was pulled out before shooting him. There's no way that happened as the death and Seanzie's post were simultaneous.

So if my claim is false
1. Why did I wait to shoot him?
2. Was it luck that I was pulled from PoE upon doing so?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:21 pm Does someone care to iterate out the mechanical information we have before I start doing ISOs?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:29 pm Suppose it's ISO time if that's all the mech we have.

Seanzie's remaining 'let's get hereamajig' contains Falcon and Nook still. Everyone else is dead, so I guess I'll start there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:40 am Someone talk to me about Matahari

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:41 am DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: Epignosis
falcon45ca 1
Voters: Seanzie
Jackofhearts2005 1
Voters: Pyxxy
Porscha 10
Voters: Tutuu, Macdougall, RondoDimBuckle, Roxy, Zenon, Jackofhearts2005, Thunal33, Dennis, Kate, falcon45ca
Seanzie 1
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Tutuu 7
Voters: Matahari, Porscha, DrWilgy, DaughterOfOmega, Dubz, S~V~S, Michelle

Dennis 2
Voters: Zenon, RondoDimBuckle
Kate 9
Voters: Macdougall, Pyxxy, Jackofhearts2005, Michelle, Thunal33, Seanzie, S~V~S, Tutuu, DrWilgy
Macdougall 1
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Matahari 1
Voters: falcon45ca
Seanzie 1
Voters: Dennis
S~V~S 1
Voters: Epignosis
Tutuu 1
Voters: Kate
Zenon 1
Voters: Matahari
Unvote 1
Voters: Roxy

Dennis 9
Voters: DrWilgy, S~V~S, Jackofhearts2005, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Thunal33, Epignosis, Matahari, Roxy, RondoDimBuckle
Macdougall 1
Voters: Seanzie
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2
Voters: Dubz, Michelle
RondoDimBuckle 1
Voters: falcon45ca
S~V~S 1
Voters: Macdougall

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:49 am Falcon skim done. Don't think Falcon has a team, but I don't know if this is snormal stownrange Sfalcon.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:21 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:49 am Falcon skim done. Don't think Falcon has a team, but I don't know if this is snormal stownrange Sfalcon.
Actually thought about this more. Falcon didn't seemed teamed D1 and then dropped off the face of the planet day 2 and beyond. Was Falcon recruited during this time?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:56 pm I have decided to make the wagons closer

[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine

Reading Wilgy's Iso I don't find much solving intent. He said he will do Isos but there's no proof he actually did it.
Also I thought the same, that the BTSC can't clear him because it's just a neighborhood

Agree with what Thunal said above.

I don't know if that puts Wilgy as JD or as a sin for me.
He called me silly for saying he's a sin. That's interesting in a way and gives him JD equity.
I believe I've been somewhat blatant about not solving this game.

I don't get it honestly. Too many variables. Too many things change. Plus the pace of the game left be behind early. The best I can do is trust the players that have left the game who seemed to understand it more than I who have flipped town.

Seanzie's BTSC I don't think could be any more clear cut in proving that they used it to find both Kate, Dennis, and my alignment. Also Seanzie I think was very specific in how they worded things and alignments. Removing me from the PoE was not a mistake when Seanzie went out of the way to iterate the percent chances of hitting sins in Dennis/Kate.
I know the BTSC existed. But why Wilgy from Vocaroo mafia and was town could make himself so clearly town and Wilfy in this game can't articulate few words?

You know town is in vey bad condition, not just Falcon, all three townies are, and all you do is sheeping and voting Dubz?

We chopped nook because he didn't care about the game and didn't care about being chopped, we lost Rondo who could clear someone and what is left is the possibility to read in mafia-esque way.

Please post your thoughts about everyone, you promised to be active once the game slows down
idk what explanation besides for 'this game has been difficult for me' is needed here. I've skimmed like 3 ISOs and plan on continuing that today, but not until I look to the guidance of my ancestors for data.

Dubz - Sin
Falcon - Green Town, unlikely convertable
Mata - Unknown, I've read only afew posts and haven't felt a presence here.
Michelle - I do not think to be a deep wolf, but I am questioning why alive
SVS - Tonal TR
Thunal - Somewhat the same

Simply put, today I need to figure out if Dubz has been recruited (idk if possible) and then sort my thoughts on you, Thunal and Mata. You and Thunal being the most difficult because of the iso quantity.

I think Dubz wasn't recruited to mafia unless there's a recruitment mechanic I don't know about. In her role it said she would be mafia if all the virtues died and there's still one virtue left.

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:03 pm I am really confused about Dubz’ ability. What I’m understanding is that she can limit someone’s posting, and if they exceed the limit, they will be blocked the next night? I saw a role on page one that can also limit someone’s posts, but I need to go back and find it. Also need to reread Dubz’ recent posts. I’ll be back.

Looking back this post pings me. She knew that the role was on the first page and I think town would go "wait, that's a sin role!" and realize that Dubz was revealed as sin or immediately check it rather than just mentioning they saw a role on page one.

Rn where I'm at is that Falcon is one town and SVS/Michelle contains the other one.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:44 pm
Spoiler: show
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:22 am Ah, a 22 day game 1 and it's not champs...

Can either a 3p or a townie give me a tldr? Wolves stay quiet, I want no misinformation from you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:32 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:24 pm @DrWilgy srsly curious. How can anyone on D 1 of *this* game have tmi?
Is this something to do specifically with THIS game? Because jokes on you if you think I've read the setup outside of the rules.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:45 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:25 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Rn this is my best guess.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:19 pm
While I agree. This is a TMI pocket attempt.
I looked at this post a lot and in addition to the possibilities of Wilgy being scum with TMI or it being a fake derp, Wilgy could also be 3p who didn't know that there was only one wolf in the game and thought wolves would have TMI.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:20 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:54 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:49 am Wolfy 4th vote on Tutuu.

Have a nice day.
ah okay here, let me help you make this kind of post NAI for you

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
Does Pyxxy legitimately think that voting me would suddenly turn a post that should be NAI to a post that should be NAI? How does your voting me ACTUALLY make a difference here?

I wasn't giving you anything AI in the first place.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:05 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:26 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:22 am Ah, a 22 day game 1 and it's not champs...

Can either a 3p or a townie give me a tldr? Wolves stay quiet, I want no misinformation from you.
Tutuu is sus, Dennis is stiff as a board, Epi seems towny, Dubz seems towny, Kate seems towny, Thunal seems towny
Thank you. Can you express the gist of Mac as well?
These quotes are here as examples of how Wilgy sort of has these disconnected thoughts and doesn't follow up on anything. So far his posts feel like trying to look busy rather than solving.
If this is busy work, then you don't know what busy work is my friend.

I'm just chillin till the thread slows down.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:58 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:56 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:00 am Slay the outed one!

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
do you have any reads to share with the class?
Nope. I'm just sheeping people that sound correct to sheep.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:47 pm
Dubz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:58 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:56 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:00 am Slay the outed one!

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
do you have any reads to share with the class?
Nope. I'm just sheeping people that sound correct to sheep.
Wouldn't that by definition mean you're reading the people you're sheeping
I suppose so, but I wouldn't be able to tell you why.

I'm sad Seanzie is gone, as they were who I sheeped last cycle and today.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:30 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:20 am This is for myself, a kind of reads list, but in the poll order

Dennis - outed scum

DrWilgy - low impact, maybe a sin, if not please play @DrWilgy

Dubz - busy IRL, relaxed tone, idk

Epignosis - i liked the analysis of the setup but that's not really AI.

falcon45ca - good tone, low impact, in the upper part of the null

jackofhearts2005 - time will tell, maybe town, not on the chopping block but he should show his towny soul if that’s his alignment

Macdougall - tinfoilable unfortunately. Not today.

Matahari - not very towny, not really scummy. I didn't notice agenda, so I will put her also above null.

Michelle -

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - suspicious

RondoDimBuckle - self confidemt, making a reactionary play, RTs, meh. Idk, hopefully town

Roxy - towny

S~V~S - looked like she is solving but i don't get the Poe except Nook, please explain @S~V~S

Thunal33 - my top town previous days, gives me paranoia for her fear of dying yday, but still town.
I'm not a sin silly, and I am playing. Just not in a way that's constructive at all.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:38 pm Hoenstly, if it helps to just clear me and remove me from PoE:
I was BTSC with Seanzie before they were killed. Seanzie was helping me get into the game while at the same time I shared all my info with them.

Between BTSC Seanzie's PoE went from including me here:
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:02 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:29 pm So who do people think John Doe is?
Nook, Thun, Jack, Wilgy, Falcon all deserve more scrutiny IMO. You might as well, but this is the first post I think I've seen of you, so I'm not actually qualified to say anything about you at this point.
If I had to order the list it would probably be

Nook
Falcon
Wilgy
Jack
Thun

In order of most likely baddie to least likely baddie.
To not after sharing data:
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:09 am
Dubz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:04 am Is there a sort of...thread consensus POE so I can prioritize ISOs? I've only really looked at flips and where I was mentioned (will get to that shortly), and I skimmed end of D2 last night.
Dennis is outed. We are looking for more baddies. My eyes are on Nook. I am wary of Falcon and Roxy. People like Jack and Epi deserve more scrutiny IMO, but idk if this is consensus, but I am town KING, so what I say, goes.
I share this as I don't think anyone would counter claim me on being in BTSC with Seanzie and Seanzie wouldn't remove me from the PoE without good reason. If less energy is wasted assessing me, I'd say this is a net positive for the town.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:02 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:06 pm @S~V~S yah I do. falcon, Epi and Jack. Tinfoil- Thunal.

New tinfoil is that Wigly had BTSC with Seanzie was going to outed and killed him in the middle of it. Except that Seanzie said he had outed 2 (Kate/Dennis) and cleared 1 (was it Wigly or was he saying that to get reactions idk bc he never outright said who he had cleared)

Also in one of my previous posts to you you said "I don't really see any questions except for inre: Dennis" but I was just responding to you and giving you my thoughts no questions you are correct.
Considering Seanzie had posted that I was removed from the PoE at the exact same time they were shot, this doesn't make sense.

If my strategy as W was to convince Seanzie I was town and to pull myself out of PoE, I would've waited to ensure I was pulled out before shooting him. There's no way that happened as the death and Seanzie's post were simultaneous.

So if my claim is false
1. Why did I wait to shoot him?
2. Was it luck that I was pulled from PoE upon doing so?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:21 pm Does someone care to iterate out the mechanical information we have before I start doing ISOs?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:29 pm Suppose it's ISO time if that's all the mech we have.

Seanzie's remaining 'let's get hereamajig' contains Falcon and Nook still. Everyone else is dead, so I guess I'll start there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:40 am Someone talk to me about Matahari

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:41 am DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: Epignosis
falcon45ca 1
Voters: Seanzie
Jackofhearts2005 1
Voters: Pyxxy
Porscha 10
Voters: Tutuu, Macdougall, RondoDimBuckle, Roxy, Zenon, Jackofhearts2005, Thunal33, Dennis, Kate, falcon45ca
Seanzie 1
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Tutuu 7
Voters: Matahari, Porscha, DrWilgy, DaughterOfOmega, Dubz, S~V~S, Michelle

Dennis 2
Voters: Zenon, RondoDimBuckle
Kate 9
Voters: Macdougall, Pyxxy, Jackofhearts2005, Michelle, Thunal33, Seanzie, S~V~S, Tutuu, DrWilgy
Macdougall 1
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Matahari 1
Voters: falcon45ca
Seanzie 1
Voters: Dennis
S~V~S 1
Voters: Epignosis
Tutuu 1
Voters: Kate
Zenon 1
Voters: Matahari
Unvote 1
Voters: Roxy

Dennis 9
Voters: DrWilgy, S~V~S, Jackofhearts2005, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Thunal33, Epignosis, Matahari, Roxy, RondoDimBuckle
Macdougall 1
Voters: Seanzie
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2
Voters: Dubz, Michelle
RondoDimBuckle 1
Voters: falcon45ca
S~V~S 1
Voters: Macdougall

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:49 am Falcon skim done. Don't think Falcon has a team, but I don't know if this is snormal stownrange Sfalcon.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:21 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:49 am Falcon skim done. Don't think Falcon has a team, but I don't know if this is snormal stownrange Sfalcon.
Actually thought about this more. Falcon didn't seemed teamed D1 and then dropped off the face of the planet day 2 and beyond. Was Falcon recruited during this time?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:56 pm I have decided to make the wagons closer

[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine

Reading Wilgy's Iso I don't find much solving intent. He said he will do Isos but there's no proof he actually did it.
Also I thought the same, that the BTSC can't clear him because it's just a neighborhood

Agree with what Thunal said above.

I don't know if that puts Wilgy as JD or as a sin for me.
He called me silly for saying he's a sin. That's interesting in a way and gives him JD equity.
I believe I've been somewhat blatant about not solving this game.

I don't get it honestly. Too many variables. Too many things change. Plus the pace of the game left be behind early. The best I can do is trust the players that have left the game who seemed to understand it more than I who have flipped town.

Seanzie's BTSC I don't think could be any more clear cut in proving that they used it to find both Kate, Dennis, and my alignment. Also Seanzie I think was very specific in how they worded things and alignments. Removing me from the PoE was not a mistake when Seanzie went out of the way to iterate the percent chances of hitting sins in Dennis/Kate.

Sean removed me from the PoE as well and as far as I know he didn't use an action on me. His "I am a super cop" thing and how he reacted to having a clear felt not entirely serious so I don't think it was a mechanical clear. I actually have a tinfoil that the clear was a reaction test since he made such a big deal about it. If you are town solving the game is the best way for me to find you.

Mata is someone I've had a hard time figuring out partly because I don't have any experience with her or spectating her. By PoE she probably isn't town since there are only 2 towns I need to find. I think the two other towns are in Falcon, Michelle, and SVS.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:39 pm @S~V~S I am being honest, I just hadn't said what happens if you post fewer than 7 times.

I'll steal your vote if you post fewer than 7 times. I'd rather not do that tbh - I don't want that kind of responsibility. But that's what will happen.

Interesting, and I do think you're being honest.

I had some paranoia on Michelle but I come back to that she would have to be faking a pretty high depth of solving and out of the box mech theories if she were informed and I think her push on Nanook was genuine.

Just finished reading Wilgy's ISO and I agree, there isn't any real curiosity or town pings I got from there. He did read ISOs but came to conclusions that amounted to being unsure for both Falcon and Nanook. I also looked at Mata a bit and I could more easily see her as town than Wilgy since she did have a few decent moments.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Btw to make sure others know, based on Dubz' role and her presumably being 3p (if she were converted town, I think her reaction would be very different) there are max 2 mafia. At least one sin that isn't Dubz has to still be 3p or Dubz would have changed to town.

The difficulty with this game is that there's JD, 0-1 other mafia, and 2-3 unconverted sins and I don't know how distinguishable JD is from the rest on play.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:45 pm

If this is busy work, then you don't know what busy work is my friend.

I'm just chillin till the thread slows down.

Wilgy responded to my pressure on him in a nonchalant way and he responded to Seanzie putting him in his PoE by saying he was chilling too.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:02 pm
Considering Seanzie had posted that I was removed from the PoE at the exact same time they were shot, this doesn't make sense.

If my strategy as W was to convince Seanzie I was town and to pull myself out of PoE, I would've waited to ensure I was pulled out before shooting him. There's no way that happened as the death and Seanzie's post were simultaneous.

So if my claim is false
1. Why did I wait to shoot him?
2. Was it luck that I was pulled from PoE upon doing so?

When he’s accused of killing Seanzie, he has a few paragraphs about why it wouldn’t make sense for him to do it. Wilgy has more care and more conviction saying why he didn’t kill Sean than he did responding to other pressure on him. I think Wilgy might be a baddie that didn't kill Seanzie.

About the Wilgy BTSC, I looked back at it and it's not as strong as I had thought. Wilgy didn't claim Sean had any sort of mechanical clear on him and I don't think Seanzie was serious about being a cop. I think Sean and Wilgy did have BTSC together and Sean felt good about Wilgy from their BTSC but I don't think it was a real clear. I've been completely fooled by someone I had BTSC with in another game and I've seen it happen quite a few times.

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