The Syndicate

gg everyone!

Ugh, I really thought I had that. Good game, you were right.

The silencing soulstamp almost clears me too. It's possible to be faked but I win wolf games by posting a lot and I believe that it gives me a big advantage to look towny. Look at se7en for example. In fact, in Sesame Street I was mad that I was busy because I believed that I wouldn't have been wagoned d1 if I had posted more. I really wouldn't voluntarily give myself a post restriction when I could give it to a townie instead.

I suspected Nutella d1 for all the right reasons and then turned it around. I really hope I don't lose this for town because of a misclear.

I thought her spending so much effort on explaining why she wasn't teamed with Marmot was wolfy. I thought her suspecting LC for being odd was wolfy.

Also, yeah I'm awkward. If I had a nickel for the number of times I've been wrongly scumread for my early tone I'd be rich. Nutella's played enough with me to know that too.

One big thing is I would only bus Epi as a last resort as w, not vote him halfway through the day. In my two wolfgames since I returned I really tried to win with my team. I posted in se7en wolf chat that I wanted to get rid of the bussing meta I had in 2021. SVS and Scotty would know that, but they're both dead.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

At least I was getting there but now I really wish I hadn't miscleared her. I'll explain in detail why I'm town.

Nutella's side of nut/Epi interactions:

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:52 pm Well okay. Shit. I am a moron.

Ahahahahahaha

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:06 pm
Thunal is my partner.

I believe this

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:40 pm Ah yes epi thunal falcon and marmot are the two mafia. Amazing what you can do in a fantasy setting

I’m a bit paranoid that Nutella felt like she had to respond to Epi’s vote lock and him calling me his partner, and calling all of epi/me/falcon/marmot mafia feels like a response she thought about.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:00 am Falcon is by default low, and thunal and epi are a bit lower than the rest, but I still wouldn't consider them scumreads. Everyone else has been pretty solid so far.

Calls me/Epi lower than the rest.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:52 pm Would not vote:
Syn
Seanzie
Scotty
Marmot

Somewhere in between / no firm stance:
Thunal
Dyslexicon
SVS
Epignosis

Would vote:
Lime Coke
Falcon
Rico

Then has 3 other people below Epi.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:11 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:11 am Just kidding. I have posts to burn.

It was this post:

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:56 pm Town brad is loud about his reads and makes it clear that they have reasons even if they're silly reasons. Lime's approach to me here was to simply ignore the request for any actual reasoning after I pointed out that his reasoning was nonsensical. People other than me might just not notice what he was doing as so egregious, but from where I'm sitting it sure felt like he made up justifications for his readlist and had no vested interest in backing them up when prompted. He was flippant, and flippancy does not always necessarily equal wolfiness, but I cannot locate a town motivation for his behavior.

There's so much "BURY THIS GUY (but but but)."

I think nutella is looking for an easy mark (no offense, Lime Coke)

I have a read. It may be wrong. I am pursuing it.

Slight good look imo, trying to tell off Epi.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:18 am Lol lame. Next time just be towny instead of outing.

I wouldn't mind Epi getting some heat since he's just chosen to be annoying as well.

Not a good look. It reminds me of how Belzy distanced from Wilgy in Sesame Street by calling him annoying.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:21 am Nope, done with that. You could have done that all differently, it was your choice.

Move on. There's probably a hit in Epi vs Dizzy?

Not really liking nutella floating two names instead of just Epi.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:47 pm Y'all should have voted Epi. Perhaps we should do that today in honor of Dizzy.

“Perhaps”, not providing a case.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:11 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

I'm once again feeling like everyone else is crazy for not tunneling Scotty right now. And this time I can't be proven wrong with a pr claim.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:19 am Also he just sat on the sidelines when nutella and Lime Coke were going at it.

This is still the thing about Epi that most makes me want to vote him. He was being snarky at me in a way I think could easily have come from TMI on Lime being town.

He's also compatible with Scotty.

Epi is the second suspect again. Slightly bad look.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:55 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:51 pm it feels like you're just ignoring the things that make Nutella towny and it's not a good look

Yeah, this is a significant problem I have with Epi along with his attitude during my fight with Lime. He's cherry picking. While I'm tunneling Scotty a bit rn, I'm still trying to consider all sides, and have been examining other candidates. Epi has maintained a very unilateral and narrow focus just hopping into the thread now and then without really engaging in any meaningful depth.

This is a fine look.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:33 pm I can still be convinced to vote Epi. Because I guess he could fit with either you or Thunal and I take issue with him independently. But I'm really having a hard time seeing your pov on the pr/thunal/dizzy stuff as pure rn.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:42 pm Syn

Falcon
SVS
Marmot

Thunal
Rico
Scotty
Epi

Epi below Scotty, slightly good.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:02 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:59 pm
Scotty/Epi partners? He pays some lip service to a me/Epi team but as soon as Marmot votes Epi, he immediately votes me. I very easily could see this as trying to save Epi.

A bit on the nose, but yes I think they could easily be partners.


I'm leaning back to wanting to vote Epi a little more.

Wants to vote Epi now.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:28 pm Prediction: Epi will simply point and laugh at my quick flip-flop on Scotty and berate me for hedging again.

I’m a little paranoid about this because it’s kind of unnecessary attention on Epi. I can’t fully put it into words.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:11 pm I'm 99% voting for epi

This in itself is a good look.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:34 pm

Spoiler: show

Don't tell anyone but I'm actually considering Thunal as a somewhat more likely hit at the moment. I will let Epi finish and see what he does but I'm not as locked into him as I was.

This was after Epi came back.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:30 pm Zzzzzzz

Nope

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Sorry not sorry, I'm feeling this

And here’s the vote. There’s not much reason on why she’s actually feeling this other than that me and SVS are teamed. I think her turnaround on me was bad. The vote was telegraphed but I’m not sold on her believing it.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:45 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:43 pm
I have been town-reading SVS but this EOD and now Thunal's response makes a lot of sense with this world

I've been thinking it for a while now. SVS has been gradually-subtly-but-now-not-so-subtly steering away from a Thunal yeet while putting on a feigned nonchalance. Idk how else to explain it but I think that most of her posts from today fit with this agenda.

SVS hard defended me the whole game. I don’t think this representation is accurate.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:18 pm I don't like this reaction from either of you. I can only be convinced by a flip at this point. Sorry.

Now Nut’s very confident on me/SVS. Nut would be playing in a risky way as w by turning around the read so completely.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:25 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:21 pm
Did you actually read and think about the points I made?

Yes. I can still easily see it either way. It's confbias speaking but I have a hard time taking that type of self town case in this circumstance seriously and instead it feels like you had it a little too prepared. If it's genuine and just a skill issue at reading your personal tone, I'm sorry, but my vote is locked in and the associations between you and SVS have that puzzle pieces fitting feeling for me rn.

Softens her confidence a bit after my town case.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:27 pm I will say I didn't understand that Epi comment either lol.

Perhaps my lone regret in voting you is letting him be in the game another day (and obv I'll feel dumb if my change of heart was wrong)

Ehhh there wasn’t a lot of suspecting Epi she did right before this, it was all me/SVS. This feels out of place and stronger than the suspicion she actually had.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:35 pm Epi is certainly dead weight if town and yes I will feel silly if it was him after all, and I still won't complain if he ends up going over. It just also feels like the easy option and while yes sometimes it is the easy option it has not felt to me today like it is and I had to follow the hunch that has been building up.

She still suspects me now.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:39 pm Syn - Purple

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:56 pm i for one won't be making her answer for anything uwu

okay epi/syn is possible lol fuck

Here’s where she started changing her mind, and it was in response to my stuff. I think going back and checking then thinking it’s possible is plausible for town Nut.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:52 pm Vote epi because I've been wrong on everything except when I've been right and changed my mind.

Then she more fully changes her mind. I think it's a slightly bad look that there's no real case on Epi after her switch.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:53 pm Also I'll probably feel less bad on an Epi town flip than on a Thunal town flip. I just....would prefer a mafia flip of either one

Slightly good thought.



I feel annoyed that I hadn't reevaluated on Nut until today. There are a few interactions that make me think it might be her. The post about her thinking her only regret voting me is that it lets Epi live feels like a cred grab before Epi even flips when she hadn't suspected Epi recently. The d1 stuff calling Epi annoying and her response to Epi calling me his partner that just feels like she spent time thinking of that are not a great look.

I also need to think about who silenced me after Epi died. The end of that phase I was suspecting Syn the most, had Falcon in my PoE, and townread Nutella. Falcon would have more reason to fear my reads and would be a more straightforward silence, but Nutella could do it because I suspected her d1 and have some rep as a good townie.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 10:29 pm also it's likely relevant that scotty heavily pushed thunal earlier in the game and if i died and he was in f3 with her he'd be the most inclined to get there

w!me would very likely not kill Scotty after he said this:

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 7:28 pm Anyway, would like everyone to check in. I feel like nothing has changed since yesterday in my reads, except that I am VERY confident mafia voted for Syn. Which rules out thunal

I have a similar worry with you. Scotty called Falcon towny near EoD so I'm wondering if you'd be more likely to make that kill than Falcon.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:00 am Falcon is by default low, and thunal and epi are a bit lower than the rest, but I still wouldn't consider them scumreads. Everyone else has been pretty solid so far.

Why is Falcon by default low?

Going through Nut/Epi interactions now.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:08 pm @Thunal33 I've expressed before that Epi going after Nut looks like partner distancing, can you look at their interactions and see what you think?

I’ll be gone for at least a few hours, but when I get back I will.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:20 pm

Definitely kinda.

It feels more like a throwaway remark, like “I am town!”, than a serious attempt to actually appear towny.

It just seems somewhat (perhaps … kinda?) excess to needs. Not sure what, if anything it means. Performative.

Kinda. Maybe.

Awe, now you appear to be deflecting from your take, and minimizing my criticism by making this a half joke post.



Kinda...but, no actually

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:07 pm I'm fine voting LC, Dizzy, SVS

Was there progression from not really thinking SVS was deflecting to being fine voting her?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:39 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:16 pm [VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:07 pm
No you're just smoking some really funky shit.

You said LC pinged you right away. Was it for similar reasons as Nutella (that he had strange reads) or was it something else?

It was the way he handled the criticism, felt very defensive & performative

Okay. Imo that's slightly better than suspecting him for having odd reads.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:16 pm [VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:07 pm
No you're just smoking some really funky shit.

You said LC pinged you right away. Was it for similar reasons as Nutella (that he had strange reads) or was it something else?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:15 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:12 pm Nutella - Is getting reads, specifically scumreads, in a way that I'm used to seeing her get where it basically snowballs.

...Where are you seeing this??

My first ever-so-slight pressure was on Marmot whom I now lean town. I haven't really had scumreads aside from defaulting to the 0-1 posters and shrugging a bit on Epi/Thunal for a couple pages (Thunal has moved up a little but subject to return). I just now put you on the bottom of my list and I don't think I had indicated that inclination much prior to responding to your post above.

My reads have not been following a particularly snowbally pattern at all. They've been in flux. Explain this read.

What did you specifically find good about Marmot d1 after your exchange with him?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:11 pm Hmmmmm...



Epi knows I've had sus on them...does she leave me alive for F3, knowing I've been a snap voter?

The alternative would be a Nut/me/Scotty f3, which I think would be worse for Nut since Scotty was convinced mafia voted Syn.

I want to reevaluate everything and make sure I don't make a wrong choice.

The annoying thing is that I could see Falcon or Nutella making that kill. Although Scotty wasn't suspecting nutella, he called Falcon "town buds" near EoD yesterday and if nutella killed me she could stick out for being alive. I could also see Falcon keeping me alive since I changed my read on Rico, so w!Falcon could see me doing the same for Nut.

I really hoped I wouldn't be in f3. I didn't expect that kill and I'm wondering both why I'm alive and why Nutella is alive.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:30 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:00 pm Normally a townie believes that they are generally playing the game in a townie way. Rico's defense being that he voted Epi over me is fine in a vacuum, but it pings me that that's consistently the only thing he cites as towny for him.

To be fair, that is probably the main thing that brings him into the towny discussion. He didn’t do much until then.

That's true, and it is possible t!Rico just thinks it's the only thing clearing for him.

Normally a townie believes that they are generally playing the game in a townie way. Rico's defense being that he voted Epi over me is fine in a vacuum, but it pings me that that's consistently the only thing he cites as towny for him.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:48 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:41 pm falcon, PoE candidate, will spin me wolf and vote me - check

Scotty, PoE candidate, will spin me wolf and vote me - check

We can't both be Maf, and in fact from your perspective (if town) we very well both might be town.





This take is not a town mindset

I think it's a slightly good look that me and Falcon had similar thoughts at the same time to Rico's post.

I'm leaning voting Rico now, but I'm not going to hammer yet. Now that Rico is in the PoE if he were town he'd need to find the wolf not a PoE of 2 and I feel like there's a lack of interest in that. Like "Scotty is the manipulative" feels like he's putting a lot of effort to discredit Scotty without outright calling him a wolf, and there's not the sort of impressions I would expect from a townie. Like I'd expect a townie to have real-time thoughts and impressions of how people are treating him and that's almost absent.

I still think Rico bussing Epi wouldn’t be good strategy, but it might not matter as much as I thought it did. What matters more is if Rico would think it was good strategy and I don’t have much of an idea whether he would. One thing that is imo a slightly good point for Rico around Epi is that he didn’t do more to bury Epi and maximize cred. He just said Epi looked worse and left it at that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:00 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:50 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:20 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:51 am >snip>
3. The math solve is falcon/scotty, in f5/f3 respectively, I realise it's not pleasant for them to face such PoE logic, but that's the best thing to roll with, unless better alternatives can be argued.

4. Speaking of things argued, both falcon and Scotty show intent to push a lynch on me, and I don't think either has clarified (or proved willing to clarify) their wolf!me perspectives i.e. how I had Thunal's lynch at a push of a button and decided to hard kill my teammate instead. Word/tone-wise, falcon seems very unwilling to formulate proper arguments, whilst Scotty does so, but also mixes them up with "it's gotta be"es.

Anyway, one of them is town, so clearly misguided, the other could very well be wolf and resort to this as his lifeline. Tempted to believe the wolf would also come in thread and push the "why isn't Rico nightkilled that's so SuuuuS" narrative. In this f5, it's likely both of them could vote me, so it takes one more voter to change mind. In f3, I expect the same - keep me alive, bring it down to a vote swing to misselim me. Stay strong town.

>snip<

Methinks you just made a slip

What did you think the slip was?

For some reason I was miscontruing ‘one of them as town’ as tmi when he said we were both in the poe.

I got excited but also my logic was completely wrong. So he didn’t slip there

Okay. I was asking that question from the POV of reading you as well, and I think that thought progression looks somewhat good.

Yeah, I'm feeling worse about Rico than I am about Scotty. I've done some partly finished ISO work on both and Scotty's solving feels good for lack of a more precise term. Even when he was tunneling me there were these sort of "gotcha" undertones in his posts that look towny in hindsight.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:20 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:51 am >snip>
3. The math solve is falcon/scotty, in f5/f3 respectively, I realise it's not pleasant for them to face such PoE logic, but that's the best thing to roll with, unless better alternatives can be argued.

4. Speaking of things argued, both falcon and Scotty show intent to push a lynch on me, and I don't think either has clarified (or proved willing to clarify) their wolf!me perspectives i.e. how I had Thunal's lynch at a push of a button and decided to hard kill my teammate instead. Word/tone-wise, falcon seems very unwilling to formulate proper arguments, whilst Scotty does so, but also mixes them up with "it's gotta be"es.

Anyway, one of them is town, so clearly misguided, the other could very well be wolf and resort to this as his lifeline. Tempted to believe the wolf would also come in thread and push the "why isn't Rico nightkilled that's so SuuuuS" narrative. In this f5, it's likely both of them could vote me, so it takes one more voter to change mind. In f3, I expect the same - keep me alive, bring it down to a vote swing to misselim me. Stay strong town.

>snip<

Methinks you just made a slip

What did you think the slip was?

I think Scotty has a good point. Yes, we need to find a winning PoE of 2, but it also doesn't make a lot of sense to treat both PoE candidates equally when you know only one of them can be the wolf.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:41 pm falcon, PoE candidate, will spin me wolf and vote me - check

Scotty, PoE candidate, will spin me wolf and vote me - check

What about the difference in how they did it? Did one vote attempt read more genuine than another? Because at least one of them is town.

I'd rather finish my reads of Rico and Scotty than vote now.

I don't really see how town!Falcon thought it didn't make sense for town!Rico to be alive.

To anyone: how common is an LHF getting cleared multiple day phases based on a bus here? I'm realizing there may be some culture difference because I'm drawing from my MU experience when LHF could have higher survivability here.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:13 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:05 pm I have considered that Rico bussed multiple times in my head and I do understand the strategy behind it, I just don't think it's the most likely option. It's possible that it's different on this site but usually inactive scum don't survive that long to win even if they do bus. If I were in w!Rico's position I would almost certainly have voted me instead of Epi. In Sesame Street the wolves wanted me killed d1 while they could to the point where Belzy went on my wagon as a "misclick" despite defending me in the thread.

This makes no sense, Rico literally has 17 posts and isn't being voted cuz' of his Epi vote. You have no idea if he's actually town or not, I do not understand how you can truly believe that sentence.

I can believe that sentence from experience. There's a person on MU a bit after my time there who hard bussed while staying LHF and I haven't seen it work with this person. Ultimately active players will get more and more evidence clearing each other while the inactives get left behind.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:51 am hello

few preliminaries:

1. I've stated EoD3 that I am on holiday now, I'm not gonna cut on short beach time and drunk strip poker evenings to play mafia dot com sorry.

2. Why would my D3 hammer be controversial? We were to reach consensus and, of that PoE, Syn reached the votes. It was also the proper timing (10 or something p.m. my local) to make the vote, I was from travel, I was tired, I could have just as well fallen asleep, so at three votes for Syn, I found it reasonable to proceed.

I left the thread and came back just when Syn got hammered. I didn't have anything specific to discuss in mind but I was expecting to have some more time in the thread and I was surprised by the hammer.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:51 am 4. Speaking of things argued, both falcon and Scotty show intent to push a lynch on me, and I don't think either has clarified (or proved willing to clarify) their wolf!me perspectives i.e. how I had Thunal's lynch at a push of a button and decided to hard kill my teammate instead. Word/tone-wise, falcon seems very unwilling to formulate proper arguments, whilst Scotty does so, but also mixes them up with "it's gotta be"es.

Anyway, one of them is town, so clearly misguided, the other could very well be wolf and resort to this as his lifeline. Tempted to believe the wolf would also come in thread and push the "why isn't Rico nightkilled that's so SuuuuS" narrative. In this f5, it's likely both of them could vote me, so it takes one more voter to change mind. In f3, I expect the same - keep me alive, bring it down to a vote swing to misselim me. Stay strong town.


LATER EDIT: I started writing this before falcon's post. He has exhibited every predictable cue:
-- why is Rico alive rhetoric?
-- why wouldn't slank Maf kill his own teammate? (no further understanding of the actual EoD2 dynamic shown)
-- pushes wagon on me
(+ votes before all the arguing posts, which is extra nice)

I feel like Scotty's POV about you is more believable than Falcon's. He has more nuanced takes and he takes you bussing as a possibility to consider rather than as something that had to happen. Falcon's feels like he's assuming it's true while at the same time thinking you're confirmed town if you're town which I don't quite understand.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:07 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:48 am I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?

Why would the Maf leave Rico alive after that?





It basically confirms him town...if they actually are town

I don't see Rico as basically confirmed. My strongest townread is Nut and every alive player has had some tinfoil on Rico including me. SVS and myself were more townread than Rico.

I have considered that Rico bussed multiple times in my head and I do understand the strategy behind it, I just don't think it's the most likely option. It's possible that it's different on this site but usually inactive scum don't survive that long to win even if they do bus. If I were in w!Rico's position I would almost certainly have voted me instead of Epi. In Sesame Street the wolves wanted me killed d1 while they could to the point where Belzy went on my wagon as a "misclick" despite defending me in the thread.

I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:18 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:23 pm though I also want to win with just 16 posts lol

Rico is at 14 posts.



Gonna be honest, this ploy is not helpful if Rico is town. Since it seems like he’s committed to this, he’s got 1 post left today, to vote. Based on his iso, it’ll be falcon. And if it’s not falcon, he’ll vote me tomorrow.

I don’t like the way this is going. But at least my mind is made up.

Falcon and I were the only ones even remotely tinfoiling rico yesterday, and if we yeet falcon today and he’s NOT mafia, I think the peripherals point to both of us being more right than not.

I wonder why Rico wants to win with exactly 16 posts instead of another number. I hope he's not committed to this.

I feel like I should have trusted my early townreads. I don't think it's Nutella for a lot of reasons, and I probably don't think it's Scotty either. I think Scotty's EoD posts looked decent and I reread some d1 stuff where Scotty pressured Epi on his vote for me. I feel like it's a decent look for him since jumping on an entrance like that would give Epi a hard time getting into the game.

I have some paranoia on Rico after that hammer but it's kinda bad strategy if he's a wolf. Syn would have likely been eliminated anyway and Rico wasn't in danger so he'd be risking his towncred by hammering.

I hoped I'd die tbh. I'm leaning Falcon but I'll look over everyone's ISOs tomorrow when I'm not exhausted.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:43 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:27 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:01 pm @falcon45ca how are you feeling about Rico atm?

I suspect they're Maf, nothing's changed.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:01 pm I'm fine with Syn or Nut this RD

You’re like the only person suspecting nutella atm, so why didn’t you also include Rico in this?

I mean, I'd already voiced my suspicion?

Who's currently your top suspect and who was your top suspect when you voted Syn?

I don't have a top suspect, like baddie numero uno. Nut, Syn, Rico. That's my legacy

How about a legacy of two?

At first I thought Falcon voting Syn while suspecting Nutella and Rico looked bad for him, but after some thought I'm not so sure. If he were a wolf, either he thinks he can get mislims in Syn, Nutella, and Rico or he is throwing out suspicion to see what sticks. If it's the second, then I feel like he would have committed to a scumread by now to get them killed over him. I've also seen Falcon propose some odd distancing teams as town, like when he thought it was Zenon/Splints in Solar System and I think there was another moment in se7en.

I feel like Syn has actually cared more about how the thread sees him than Falcon has. Falcon does spend time saying he's town but his actual reads are so far out there that if he's wolf they're not doing him any favors.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:01 pm @falcon45ca how are you feeling about Rico atm?

I suspect they're Maf, nothing's changed.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:01 pm I'm fine with Syn or Nut this RD

You’re like the only person suspecting nutella atm, so why didn’t you also include Rico in this?

I mean, I'd already voiced my suspicion?

Who's currently your top suspect and who was your top suspect when you voted Syn?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:40 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:37 pm I still think Syn looks the worst looking back.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:25 pm [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:54 pm It's Thunal and SVS guys lol.

I have been town-reading SVS but this EOD and now Thunal's response makes a lot of sense with this world

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:56 pm it's more gradual 45ing. she breadcrumbed the switch for a while

i for one won't be making her answer for anything uwu

Voting me right after Nutella, floating SVS after Nutella thought it was me/SVS despite townreading her earlier, and then sticking by that looks quite bad.

Falcon doesn't really push anything mainstream. He pushed a Syn scumread at a time when it was unlikely to get traction and didn't voice any take on me d2. There's nothing really stopping an Epi/Falcon team from being very disconnected from each other but there's also not much pointing towards it other than PoE.

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imo discussion about the elim is productive regardless of Syn's alignment since it's another day of AI info. I think I do want to vote Syn today.

I think everyone, including Syn, think Syn looks objectively the worst. It just seems too easy and obvious

Is there such a thing?

I do have a lot of paranoia and second-guessing, but sometimes the game is easy and obvious. I think often it's more productive to explore the obvious paths first and then explore the complex worlds if the obvious is wrong.
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:35 pm
@Scotty this was my first post this AM, and I still kinda vibe with it.

Honestly, I can vote either. But I won’t vote Rico.

We need a group PoE. Not a bunch of individual PoEs.

Mine is Syn/Falcon/Scotty. Syn/Falcon are pretty agreed on.

I still think Syn looks the worst looking back.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:25 pm [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:54 pm It's Thunal and SVS guys lol.

I have been town-reading SVS but this EOD and now Thunal's response makes a lot of sense with this world

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:56 pm it's more gradual 45ing. she breadcrumbed the switch for a while

i for one won't be making her answer for anything uwu

Voting me right after Nutella, floating SVS after Nutella thought it was me/SVS despite townreading her earlier, and then sticking by that looks quite bad.

Falcon doesn't really push anything mainstream. He pushed a Syn scumread at a time when it was unlikely to get traction and didn't voice any take on me d2. There's nothing really stopping an Epi/Falcon team from being very disconnected from each other but there's also not much pointing towards it other than PoE.

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imo discussion about the elim is productive regardless of Syn's alignment since it's another day of AI info. I think I do want to vote Syn today.

I don't think Epi bussed or substantially distanced from his teammate. His main suspicion was Nutella, and the fact he seemed to be trying to convince Nutella here and appease her as well as push her makes me comfortable with Nutella as town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:47 pm Y'all should have voted Epi. Perhaps we should do that today in honor of Dizzy.

I'm not mafia and I think you know that. But knock yourself out.

If it were Epi/Scotty Epi would have defended Scotty, while Scotty would have distanced with Epi. That in itself is a plausible dynamic, but Epi knew he was getting sus and might flip and hard defended Scotty anyway. If it is WIFOM it's suboptimal WIFOM because most people are more likely to suspect people that hard defend each other than to call it a good look. I think it looks slightly good for Scotty.

Anyone in the old school Syndicate crowd, might Epi/Scotty have a special dynamic with each other? Because I know I was burned making a similar read in the Art Upick game when all the SDNers randed wolf and hard defended each other, but I don't think there's the same dynamic here.

If Epi disconnected from his teammate then his teammate would be Syn, Falcon, or Rico. There's some pointless banter between Epi and Syn, like this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:03 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:01 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:58 pm nutella is my top pick to go today. Discuss.

why

I said discuss. Not ask questions.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:38 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:37 pmunderwhelming tbh

I don't think it's a good look for Syn because it felt like Epi needed to interact with him and I think that's more frequent with a partner. Putting Syn as "purple" in his readslist I thought looked good at first glance, but I can see it as part of this need to banter with Syn.

Falcon is an almost pure disconnection. Epi said Falcon and Scotty weren't mafia once, and then put Falcon as good in his readslist. There's not the same need for banter as with Syn, the post almost felt like "oh I have to mention Falcon" which could go either way.

Epi/Rico would also have a disconnecting strategy, but this post gave me a vibe of "look, Rico only has 3 posts, don't elim me"

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:27 pm Ricochet has three fucking posts and I have two votes. Amazing.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:42 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:37 pm How do you currently feel on Rico, Scotty? Because I have a concern that you're trying to expand the PoE by including him.

The thing about a POE is that it’s a process of elimination. In my reread I started feeling like something was off about Rico’s play.

My current POE I think is between Rico and falcon, and then Syn.

Is that too expansive of a POE?

No, a 3 person PoE is winning but the consensus PoE also includes you. If you're town and have a correct PoE of 2, you can afford to be in that PoE. However if you were a wolf and got Rico, Falcon, and Syn eliminated you would win.