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You played well. You went from PoE by everyone to being the NK in one phase and I did enjoy looking through your ISOs.
Roxy is someone I feel like I may have not considered enough after she came into today with very similar reads as I did and I thought she looked good from her analysis today. Since I believe the wagons were t/t I don't think her placing a tiebreaker vote on PSV is scummy. I don't think her flippant Epi read made a lot of sense and then I got pinged by her d2 initially not wanting to put Epi into the PoE because she didn't want to be "no u" this game. What do you think of this?Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:04 am Roxy
Day 1
#310 upon catch-up, immediate frustration at Epigvoting her and appealing to past knowledge; also points out to Thunal that meta arguments usually backfire in reading her, implies switching up her meta
#316 multi-quote ideas
-- disagrees with Epig's take on me
-- points out that Epig usually fumbles early meta reads
-- clears Rondo's shtick as typical
-- doesn't like Thunal clearing top posters
#407 defends against Rondo thinking her opening reaction was over the top
#439 multi-read
-- no to vote splints (absent policy)
-- points on falcon "make sense", considers him dipping out
-- concerned of Porscha lacking content
-- Epignosis "flippant"; chooses to vote here
Day 2
#655 the outburst post
#836 reads Splints 75% town
#837 open conversation with falcon about her outburst being AI
#847 uses Zenon's "faux-POE" (that's a mouthful) to create her PoE of Zenon and Epig // rescinded when Zenon clarified it was just the wagon situation
#854 pinged by my snap vote interaction with Zenon
#855 apologises to Thunal for placing her in the PoE
#865 reads Splints town for low-activity, feels she would post even less as mafia
#869 judges Zenon for potential AtE
#870 and considers that Zenon's take on her own AtE was overblown
#xxx more back and forth with Zenon, seems heated
#931 dismisses Porscha's argument on PSV
#1026 picks PSV
Day 3
#1089 critcal of Porscha moving, finds it phony
#1095 rebuttal on suspecting me: meta uncertainty from long period of absence
#1100 agrees that Zenon flip will "blow the game open" (paraphrases Zenon)
#xxxx EODs
-- Porscha messy
-- still on the fence with me
-- seems to trust Epig's adverb sniffing on Porscha
-- falcon most pingy
-- pinged by Zenon but policy town read on her AtE
#1245 new PoE, I suppose? leans falcon/Porscha, maybe Zenon
OKs
-- that she did a multi-read at her EoD1, I didn't recall this and certainly not being so multi-faceted
-- more solving D2 and D3
A bit eeeehhh
-- absolving Splints of D1 activity (for AFK), but not falcon for the same low-to-nothing activity; I can read the nuance, though, that she may have considered falcon to have done minimal work and bailed
-- bit of a double standard in judgemental towards Zenon appearing to AtE, but finding Zenon's take on her own overblown
-- really not sure why she suspected me solely for not finding any bearing and appealing to (lack of) meta
Pings
-- Where did her PoE'ing Zenon come from, all of a sudden, on D2
-- She created PoEs but didn't act on any choices
-- sus on Zenon's AtE D2 turned to benefit of doubt for repeated AtE on D3
wut?
-- How did Thunal feature in her PoE mid-D2 (#855) and why?
Personal angle
I've now revisited that Roxy basically just gambled the D2 tie-break, no other reasoning at that time. Just like with Epig, I see no reason why wolf Roxy wouldn't have picked either of those mislynches opportunities. She had more eyeballs and fence-sitting on me, so there was a tiny bit of reasoning to go by.
In a vacuum, PSV vote is the worse (worst) wagon pick for her, since she dismissed the main take on PSV. Not inclined to think Roxy isn't perceptive not to look that phony in voting a lynch she didn't agree with the case.
w!Roxy perspective
Wolf with a bad start and a really daring gambit of sending FUs and banking on town cred from it. Not the type to manage balance in activity and reads and substantiated votes, but the type to ride the wave, whatever may be
t!Roxy perspective
Pretty much the outburst. And a gradually more engaged and solvey town.
w/w compatible odds
Believe it or not, it's the first pairing with Thunal I could imagine. Just too many instances of weird pokes and distrust, enough to warrant consideration of creating bits of statements, in case she would get the chop (or, however unlikely, Thunal would).
w/w incompatible odds
Probably not wolf with Zenon, too much free poking on D2 and still plays the sus on her toDay, so too much locking into distancing and even potentially bussing the teammate.
I think my OK / Ping split comments are more eloquent than making further closing statements. Policy still tempts me to clear her for the outburst, just like I cannot conceive a w/w pairing between Zenon/Splints. But on activity alone, the acceptable is not bad, the pings are not the worst.
Don't think I will place her in the PoE today.
She later explained that Epi was still in her PoE and her wording in that post was wonky, but I still can see it as part of an unwillingness to pressure Epi d2. The wolf perspective would be her avoiding a more difficult push but if she wanted to avoid more difficult pushes I don't see why she would put me in her PoE.
This is an actual town ping from Porscha that I missed. I think this sort of subverting expectations comes more often from town. Like in the season 8 finale in f3 someone asked how people reacted to Katze's wolf flip, Boquise (who had defended Katze and voted me incorrectly) responded that he couldn't stop laughing. After the game he said that made him town since it was too absurd a reaction for a wolf to have.
When I meant strongest voice I didn't mean loudest. I was the most townread person in the thread and probably would have the most influence over wagons. I don't think you used me for the Roxy push anymore btw. It was something I thought was off especially after you disputing my defense of PSV, but your defense reads to me that it wasn't your intention.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:23 pmLike I would have not said you were the loudest voice in the room, but you think you were / are, you think I used you for a push when I had already been making the push without you all day, that kind of perspective diffPorscha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:21 pmI mean I dont think what you're saying is what actually happened but I think it's just from perspective differencesThunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:11 amI think Roxy was a push you made but then backed off when you realized you misremembered, but we might have different definitions of pushes. Wdym logical in conclusion?Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:45 pmwell i'm most certainly not trying to get anyone to do my pushes for me, since roxy wasn't a push I made and I was the only one pushing psv until I changed my mind on her lol. I think you're taking the pings and forgetting to ensure if they are logical in conclusionThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:10 pmI know you ended up backing off Roxy because you misunderstood. I just got pinged by the way you went about asking me at EoD yesterday and today, like you were trying to get the strongest voice to push your pushes.Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:03 pmNo, I wanted us to find common ground after you came into the day already viewing my eod at level 1. And I already stated that my read of Roxy's eod was incorrect since most of it rode on the idea that roxy was the one who jumped on my psv tmi idea, when it was actually falconThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:08 pm
This is a slight ping from Porscha. I felt I needed to reeval on Roxy at the time so this didn't ping me, however now that I find Roxy's reentrance somewhat towny because of how similar her thoughts are to mine it seems similar to Porscha trying to talk me off defending PSV. For context I made a list with Roxy in my townreads. It feels like Porscha wants to get me onto her pushes to lend them credibility or make them more likely to go through.
Oh, I misunderstood. It put the wagons to 3/3/2 PSV/Rico/Zenon so if someone else switched Zenon could have gone over.Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:38 amthats my point lolThunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:32 amI mean, I can since the timestamp was 8:58 lol.Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:31 amIdk that you could say the last elim she only voted for Zenon with just a couple of minutes left before the EoD.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:48 pmPorscha wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:15 pm Ye I'll try to be here for close of eod but no garauntees
I feel bad cuz I have a penchant for SR'ing neon when she is town a lot but I just dont get her this game at all (I guess I have this issue when she is town sometimes too) but after wolfing with her recently I was surprised she was allowed to play the way she did and get away with it for so long and idk i just know if i dont flip her i will confbias her for rest of the game at this point
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine
Dont feel better about voting anyone else either, especially fs and falcon who didnt really get a chance to play yetPorscha/Zenon is another unpairing since I don't think Porscha flash wagon votes Zenon twice.
I am leaning falcon/Porscha with a side eye full of Zenon.
timkestamp 8;58. Not a flashwagon per se just a vote jump. No way it was gonna turn into a flashwagon in 2 minutes.
So the second deffo was -not- a flashwagon imo
I mean, I can since the timestamp was 8:58 lol.Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:31 amIdk that you could say the last elim she only voted for Zenon with just a couple of minutes left before the EoD.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:48 pmPorscha wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:15 pm Ye I'll try to be here for close of eod but no garauntees
I feel bad cuz I have a penchant for SR'ing neon when she is town a lot but I just dont get her this game at all (I guess I have this issue when she is town sometimes too) but after wolfing with her recently I was surprised she was allowed to play the way she did and get away with it for so long and idk i just know if i dont flip her i will confbias her for rest of the game at this point
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine
Dont feel better about voting anyone else either, especially fs and falcon who didnt really get a chance to play yetPorscha/Zenon is another unpairing since I don't think Porscha flash wagon votes Zenon twice.
I am leaning falcon/Porscha with a side eye full of Zenon.
I mostly agree on your analysis. Falcon/Porscha actually didn't seem like w/w because if Falcon's wolf MO is to sheep people and not take accountability for his votes, I feel like he'd be less likely to do it on a partner. I agree w/ Falcon/Zenon not paired but I think Falcon/Splints is w/w compatible odds because of how much Falcon focused on Splints. Calling Zenon/Splints w/w felt really out there to me and it might be too out there for t!Falcon to actually think.Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:38 am Updating falcon
Day 1
#89 vote on Thunal with non-committed or meme reasoning
#105 Rondo weighs in on scumodds between Epig and Zenon, falcon curious why Zenon (but not why Epig)
#170 blind agreement with Epig on Rondo and Thunal being civ
#247 sheep vote on Lemon off Thunal
Day 2
#811 appeal to real-life-stuff in reply to Porscha' joke post on his activity
#812 reads Roxy AtE "exasperate town" (but also no knowledge of meta)
#813 interrogates Splints on her read on me being actual wolfread / #814 follows up with vote on Splints for not pushing inactive-pushers more
#823 interrogates PSV on wolfread and vote on me
#970 answers Porscha that PSV seems towny or "at least not scummy"
#975 reads me townier than PSV
#976 parks a Zenon vote cuz reasons?
#985 180s on PSV based of Porscha's "good catch"
Day 3
#1136 rebuttal to Roxy that town reads change a lot and that there's a progression in his votes that she ignored
#1178 votes Splints with acknowledgement of no bearing / reads Splints-Zenon w/w in follow up
This is hectic as hell. All his votes are sheeped or unreasoned. Minimal contributions and each time it's confusing ideas. So far on D3, chooses the most psych-move angle possible (that splints and zenon infighting is massive distancing).
w!Falcon perspective
Wolf with low activity / coasting mood and low energy to build proper reads and which won't recuperate, so just doubles down.
t!Falcon perspective
Town with very low optimal play and questionable tactics and ideas every step of the way. Or perhaps a 1% genius who sees through the toughest w/w scenarios imaginable.
w/w compatible odds
Falcon - Porscha with that D2 PSV wagoning, after which Porscha bailed to not reveal that both wolves' votes were sketchy. Though...A bit on the nose and suboptimal wolf play, if so.
Falcon - Roxy. Roxy's push feels kinda light and not all the way through, and Falcon responded with a(n) (untrue) "you're not seeing the full picture maan".
w/w incompatible odds
Falcon - Zenon, for that D2 blank vote that pushed Zenon even with other wagons. It would have to be very derpy wolf play to risk sinking your teammate.
Falcon - Splints interaction could be read either way. First impression was w/w, cuz of potential Falcon D2 and D3 distancing w. votes. But it could also be wolf Falcon's most consistent vote pattern, on a town Splints, a comfy sideline wagon town might not even follow ever. Or, lastly, town Falcon is vibe master and is on the money with wolf Splints.
Also of note that PSV was the only town Falcon is confirmed to have hounded. I still note that he has vibed with (or, at worst, sheeped) several townies in D1 (Rondo, Epig).
No interaction with Thunal other than a meme D1 vote and discussing other worlds in the open. Possible blindspot, very advantageous for wolf Falcon in case Thunal is the deepest wolf known to mankind or just not risking too much conversation to get strong town player look into him. (Mental note to check how Thunal approached falcon.)
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tldr: PoE. "Scummy", if I were to describe how I feel about all his play and moves. Pending review of others on whether to lynch toDay.
Here they are:Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:53 pmcan you quote the falcon posts where you feel he went into more depth with fs?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:33 pm Falcon ISO:Still reads as slightly wolfy to me because it’s not taking accountability for the mislim.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:08 amI am sheeping Thunal.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:07 am Any particular reason Falcon or just your wolf buddy being pretty obv wolf?
I think that Falcon giving an original take on Splints at a time when she’d caught up and wasn’t as LHF as d1 was slightly towny.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 am Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.
[VOTE: fingers] auberginefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV'sI don’t like this at all. The implied TMI thing was pretty weak and there’s a lack of reasoning on anyone other than Splints and a pattern of sheeping. I’ll go out on a limb and say Falcon/Porscha aren’t w/w for this. If Falcon is a wolf, I think he tried to pin responsibility for the PSV ML on Porscha.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:31 pm
Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!
[VOTE: PSV] aubergine
Fmpov this just doesn’t make sense and I think it could either be a wolf painting a t/t or t/w pair as w/w or a townie with an out there tinfoil. I’m entertaining the idea of a Falcon/Splints team. Falcon seemed to have significantly better reasoning on Splints than he did on anyone else.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:19 pm I've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really
I think Roxy was a push you made but then backed off when you realized you misremembered, but we might have different definitions of pushes. Wdym logical in conclusion?Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:45 pmwell i'm most certainly not trying to get anyone to do my pushes for me, since roxy wasn't a push I made and I was the only one pushing psv until I changed my mind on her lol. I think you're taking the pings and forgetting to ensure if they are logical in conclusionThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:10 pmI know you ended up backing off Roxy because you misunderstood. I just got pinged by the way you went about asking me at EoD yesterday and today, like you were trying to get the strongest voice to push your pushes.Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:03 pmNo, I wanted us to find common ground after you came into the day already viewing my eod at level 1. And I already stated that my read of Roxy's eod was incorrect since most of it rode on the idea that roxy was the one who jumped on my psv tmi idea, when it was actually falconThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:08 pmThis is a slight ping from Porscha. I felt I needed to reeval on Roxy at the time so this didn't ping me, however now that I find Roxy's reentrance somewhat towny because of how similar her thoughts are to mine it seems similar to Porscha trying to talk me off defending PSV. For context I made a list with Roxy in my townreads. It feels like Porscha wants to get me onto her pushes to lend them credibility or make them more likely to go through.
Still reads as slightly wolfy to me because it’s not taking accountability for the mislim.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:08 amI am sheeping Thunal.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:07 am Any particular reason Falcon or just your wolf buddy being pretty obv wolf?
I think that Falcon giving an original take on Splints at a time when she’d caught up and wasn’t as LHF as d1 was slightly towny.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 am Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.
[VOTE: fingers] aubergine
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's
I don’t like this at all. The implied TMI thing was pretty weak and there’s a lack of reasoning on anyone other than Splints and a pattern of sheeping. I’ll go out on a limb and say Falcon/Porscha aren’t w/w for this. If Falcon is a wolf, I think he tried to pin responsibility for the PSV ML on Porscha.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:31 pm
Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!
[VOTE: PSV] aubergine
Fmpov this just doesn’t make sense and I think it could either be a wolf painting a t/t or t/w pair as w/w or a townie with an out there tinfoil. I’m entertaining the idea of a Falcon/Splints team. Falcon seemed to have significantly better reasoning on Splints than he did on anyone else.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:19 pm I've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really
Also how are my reads backwards when I was also suspecting splints and falcon, and am now less sure about Zenon's alignment?Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:10 pm My problem is that if zenon is actually town then it means I'm left with a poe of like, fs and falcon and to a much lesser degree Roxy. I dont see why it cant be fs and falcon for example but there so much less content from them to scrutinize. @Zenon when you come back pls let me know what you think of Falcons posts today
Okay. I don't personally agree with that statement and I'm used to townspewed meaning everyone reads someone town.Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:05 pmThe idea is that if she was wolf, someone (wolf partner) would be defending herThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:59 pmHow are you thread spewed town if everyone doubts you?Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:19 pmWoofs are defs using me as a lightning rod of sorts. When my heart is in a game I get sussed just by the way I play generally so when my heart isn't fully in the game imagine how easy I am to push.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:29 pm What pinged me when I took a look at Splints was what Ricochet brought up earlier - that there's a lack of concrete reasoning that Zenon is a wolf. It's more about saying Zenon is misrepresenting her past play than any points Splints explicitly found wolfy from Zenon.
I'm a valuable pocket when I'm invested but as a wolf in this game I'd push the fuck out of myself instead because of how easy it would be to kill myself
Everyone has sus on me. Every player including the ones who town read me at times have expressed some doubt. I'm basically thread spewed town but with the whole thread in doubt I will be pushed relentlessly
I don't think my read on you is level 1 - in fact the Zenon vote pinging me is because it could plausibly be a level 2 play. I'm having a hard time finding a solve and I'm not coming into today with a lock on you or anyone. I'm open to engaging with you.Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:07 pmLike additionally I have not pushed Roxy today lol so idk why you're being so level 1 not gracious with specifically meThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:08 pmThis is a slight ping from Porscha. I felt I needed to reeval on Roxy at the time so this didn't ping me, however now that I find Roxy's reentrance somewhat towny because of how similar her thoughts are to mine it seems similar to Porscha trying to talk me off defending PSV. For context I made a list with Roxy in my townreads. It feels like Porscha wants to get me onto her pushes to lend them credibility or make them more likely to go through.
I do fear repeatedly epi died cuz your reads have been backwards
I know you ended up backing off Roxy because you misunderstood. I just got pinged by the way you went about asking me at EoD yesterday and today, like you were trying to get the strongest voice to push your pushes.Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:03 pmNo, I wanted us to find common ground after you came into the day already viewing my eod at level 1. And I already stated that my read of Roxy's eod was incorrect since most of it rode on the idea that roxy was the one who jumped on my psv tmi idea, when it was actually falconThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:08 pmThis is a slight ping from Porscha. I felt I needed to reeval on Roxy at the time so this didn't ping me, however now that I find Roxy's reentrance somewhat towny because of how similar her thoughts are to mine it seems similar to Porscha trying to talk me off defending PSV. For context I made a list with Roxy in my townreads. It feels like Porscha wants to get me onto her pushes to lend them credibility or make them more likely to go through.
How are you thread spewed town if everyone doubts you?Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:19 pmWoofs are defs using me as a lightning rod of sorts. When my heart is in a game I get sussed just by the way I play generally so when my heart isn't fully in the game imagine how easy I am to push.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:29 pm What pinged me when I took a look at Splints was what Ricochet brought up earlier - that there's a lack of concrete reasoning that Zenon is a wolf. It's more about saying Zenon is misrepresenting her past play than any points Splints explicitly found wolfy from Zenon.
I'm a valuable pocket when I'm invested but as a wolf in this game I'd push the fuck out of myself instead because of how easy it would be to kill myself
Everyone has sus on me. Every player including the ones who town read me at times have expressed some doubt. I'm basically thread spewed town but with the whole thread in doubt I will be pushed relentlessly
This is a slight ping from Porscha. I felt I needed to reeval on Roxy at the time so this didn't ping me, however now that I find Roxy's reentrance somewhat towny because of how similar her thoughts are to mine it seems similar to Porscha trying to talk me off defending PSV. For context I made a list with Roxy in my townreads. It feels like Porscha wants to get me onto her pushes to lend them credibility or make them more likely to go through.
I took a look at Splints' ISO and I still think this post is towny. I did have a couple pings on Splints' play but I feel like she was genuine in this and in the fight with Zenon.fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:09 pmI say a lot in mafia chatThunal33 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:58 pmCan you tell me what you said in the past mafia chat?fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:42 pmI think they are misconstruing things said in a past mafia chat to make me look worse when it was advantageous. (The whole I’m scared to post because of friends when I wasn’t around)falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:09 pmCan you flesh out your read on Neon plz? I'm not seeing much in your ISO as to why you sus themfingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:01 pmI am concerned with some of the people pushing it. I dislike it every game I play. Not everyone who is pushing it will be bad though, so it’s figuring out who is pushing it because they always do, or if they are pushing it for an easy elim.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 am Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.
[VOTE: fingers] aubergine
I think because I was just on a team with them, I can see some of the similarities from this game and that one.I think I probably said something about not posting as in that game their were situations where I purposefully went quiet as I thought it would be worse for Dennis (another teammate) and Zenon has the wrong idea. Zenon kind of just did whatever they wanted that game and aggressively went after Dennis, whereas I chose to work as a team. And that game we killed Kate early as she is a friend, and Dennis’s mother, and just really good. The point still being, If I didn’t talk in mafia because of a friend in the game, I couldn’t play. I’m a friendly person. And again if they believe I post less when I have a friend in the game, what can be made of my posting now other than this is clearly my town game.I’m not afraid. I’m not hiding. I’m answering everything and being completely forthcoming
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:15 pm Ye I'll try to be here for close of eod but no garauntees
I feel bad cuz I have a penchant for SR'ing neon when she is town a lot but I just dont get her this game at all (I guess I have this issue when she is town sometimes too) but after wolfing with her recently I was surprised she was allowed to play the way she did and get away with it for so long and idk i just know if i dont flip her i will confbias her for rest of the game at this point
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine
Dont feel better about voting anyone else either, especially fs and falcon who didnt really get a chance to play yet
Porscha/Zenon is another unpairing since I don't think Porscha flash wagon votes Zenon twice.
There's few enough players imo that the number of associatives could be useful.Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:24 pmHonestly not sure it's worth your time without a single wolf flip yetThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:14 pmI'm not ruling it out. Rn I'm looking through the EoDs to find unpairings and possible pairings from them.Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:12 pmAgree conceptually, but in a mountainous game, yeeting a wolf can get you big boku bucks kind of town credit to live on tooThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:06 pm As far as pairings are concerned I think that in earlier phases most wolves would be reluctant to bus a partner that has a realistic chance of going over, especially if both partners were in the PoE at the time. A wolf winning an 8v1 or even a 6v1 is pretty difficult.
I'm not ruling it out. Rn I'm looking through the EoDs to find unpairings and possible pairings from them.Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:12 pmAgree conceptually, but in a mountainous game, yeeting a wolf can get you big boku bucks kind of town credit to live on tooThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:06 pm As far as pairings are concerned I think that in earlier phases most wolves would be reluctant to bus a partner that has a realistic chance of going over, especially if both partners were in the PoE at the time. A wolf winning an 8v1 or even a 6v1 is pretty difficult.
I actually think Falcon sheeping it looked worse than you saying it, which is why I asked Falcon what his reasons were.Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 6:59 pmThis is very embarrassing @Roxy but I thought falcon's response was your responseThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:22 pmThat implied TMI thing makes no sense to me, and Falcon sheeping it isn't good. @falcon45ca why did you think asking about Rondo's scum game was implied TMI?Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:06 am falcon's EoD:
Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:
Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:52 pmSeems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there todayPorscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:36 pmPsvfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:06 amI work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'
I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?
famous last words?
Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's
Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.
Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:31 pmYeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:28 pmthey asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town
it was a fake question
[VOTE: PSV] aubergine
His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.
And when I made the accusation of tmi I was aware it could be entirely wrong lol
Roxy that's why I thought your eod was wolfy, but it was actually falcon and not you lol
True, but I think there's a point that they wouldn't cross if they were w/w, plus the whole apology from Splints felt like she really did lose control rather than this being a planned theater.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:43 pmWell, it wouldn't be very good distancing if it looked like distancing, would it?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:21 pmI disagree on that one. I think their fight was too personal and seemed very unplanned so I don't think they'd do it as w/w.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:19 pmI've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really
I disagree on that one. I think their fight was too personal and seemed very unplanned so I don't think they'd do it as w/w.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:19 pmI've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really
I know she said Zenon was similar but she never said why Zenon was similar and she wasn't expanding or reinforcing that point. As far as the past mafia chat, I knew she took issue with Zenon saying she was scared but I missed that she said it was wolfy. I still feel like her reasoning on Rico was more solid than her reasoning on Zenon and this post was prompted rather than splints saying it on her own because she wanted to convince others.Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:55 pm@Thunal33fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:42 pmI think they are misconstruing things said in a past mafia chat to make me look worse when it was advantageous. (The whole I’m scared to post because of friends when I wasn’t around)falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:09 pmCan you flesh out your read on Neon plz? I'm not seeing much in your ISO as to why you sus themfingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:01 pmI am concerned with some of the people pushing it. I dislike it every game I play. Not everyone who is pushing it will be bad though, so it’s figuring out who is pushing it because they always do, or if they are pushing it for an easy elim.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 am Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.
[VOTE: fingers] aubergine
I think because I was just on a team with them, I can see some of the similarities from this game and that one.
I still never thought asking how someone plays as a wolf means that they're not a wolf this game but I kind of see how it could be seen that way.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:36 pm
I mean, it makes sense to me that "as a wolf" implies that they're not a wolf this game.
That implied TMI thing makes no sense to me, and Falcon sheeping it isn't good. @falcon45ca why did you think asking about Rondo's scum game was implied TMI?Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:06 am falcon's EoD:
Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:
Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:52 pmSeems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there todayPorscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:36 pmPsvfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:06 amI work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'
I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?
famous last words?
Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's
Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.
Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:31 pmYeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:28 pmthey asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was townRoxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:44 pmIf I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:37 pmI see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if neededPorscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:19 amI regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psvpotentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:50 pm I think Lemon sounds better in catchup. I think Roxy sounds "okay." I feel like FS has given absolutely zero content that I can recall but I should probably check her iso. I feel less good about Epi than I did previously.
Thunal imo is pretty safe and towny.
For those saying this is typical Rondo play, what is he like as scum?
it was a fake question
[VOTE: PSV] aubergine
His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.
What specifically did you find towny from her EoD posts?Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:51 pmShe got townier when she played the game idk what to tell you lolThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:52 amThe EoD stretch after PSV returned.Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:37 pmWithout pushing vocally PSV at what time, more exactly? Cause vote-wise she was with the vote almost all the way through.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:35 pmI didn't like it and thought it could be trying not to get her hands dirty. Specifically I didn't like that Porscha voiced disagreement about my reasons for townreading PSV without vocally pushing PSV at the time and then got off at the last minute.Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:29 pmWhat's your (level 1) take, then?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:28 pmI don't read it as town. I'm saying that it might be perceived as town by the thread because Porscha's vote didn't land on the mislim.Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:25 pm Idk, last minute switches or CFDs usually throw me off, makes me want to eyeball it as wolfy. But then, what logic would a wolf find in doing it and get eyeballed for it, is what I’m pondering.
Why do you say jumping off a wagon that will prove a mislynch is a “good thing” or how do you read it as a town move?
Yeah, I'm not at all convinced this helps town. I'm having doubts on Zenon now because her reasoning today boils down to just voting you for being the counterwagon and not even reconsidering or reevaluating based on the analysis you've given today.
No. We don't vote the CW for being the CW, we don't vote on policy, we vote the most likely wolf.
I think I probably said something about not posting as in that game their were situations where I purposefully went quiet as I thought it would be worse for Dennis (another teammate) and Zenon has the wrong idea. Zenon kind of just did whatever they wanted that game and aggressively went after Dennis, whereas I chose to work as a team. And that game we killed Kate early as she is a friend, and Dennis’s mother, and just really good. The point still being, If I didn’t talk in mafia because of a friend in the game, I couldn’t play. I’m a friendly person. And again if they believe I post less when I have a friend in the game, what can be made of my posting now other than this is clearly my town game.I’m not afraid. I’m not hiding. I’m answering everything and being completely forthcoming
