The Syndicate

Just so you know why I'm not here, I don't have time to play the game now and I'm being replaced.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:58 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:51 pm Ah, I understand now
Made is a reasonable first guess.

I think falcon should be considered (regardless of flip). I know they're voting each other, but falcon voting cat after reading his iso doesn't sit well with me. Yes it could be self-prez, and yes the ISO thing was a joke, but he still mentioned it as if that was a reason for voting there.

More research needed for other parties.

I agree with this.

Hyena is looking a little better for asking how his ability should be used.

for anyone, who are Cat's teammates if they're mafia?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:50 pm oh wait you are talking about cat's vote themself not falcon's vote lmao nvm i did not follow this entire exchange dont mind me

Yeah I meant Cat's vote on Falcon wasn't just self pres.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:48 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:45 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:44 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.
It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.
No.

You aren't correct.
My wagon was bigger than yours when Cat voted.
i..... don't think this is true? i'm p sure the cat wagon has been ahead since last night

I meant I was ahead of Falcon.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:48 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.
What's wrong with self prez votes? There's no otherwise, that's what it is
I did say "otherwise".

You didn't have anything to say about your vote, you just dropped it and moved on. That's my qualm here.
Okie dokie. It was a self prez vote, so I didn't think it really needed explanation, BUT! I will take that into consideration in the future

What do you think of the wagons right now?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:45 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:44 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.
It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.
No.

You aren't correct.

My wagon was bigger than yours when Cat voted.

cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:32 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:22 pm Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)
No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

I think this post is towny.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:36 pm Readslist in pretty colors:

Towncore:
Tutuu - her stuff about not wanting to be NKed and being concerned she's playing too towny I like, and she's seemed really towny this game
Michelle - I think her posting VCs shows she cares the game is solved and afaik she's out of her wolf range
Nutella - Her amount of content and conviction in her pushes is out of her wolf range
Martin - He's felt really genuine this game and I like how much work he put into his read on me

Townleans:
Tim - takes seem genuine, looks like he cares about his solving
Marmot - seems more like his town games and it feels like he's solving by sort of poking around
Sloonei - has a depth of thinking that I didn't see from scum!Sloonei
JPIC - might be biased, but I liked his treatment of me
Cat - I felt like his reaction to being wagoned with not caring about defending himself but instead trying to get a sense of the gamestate was towny
Syn - he's in the background but afaik he always is, I feel like him continuing to pursue Nutella is towny even though I disagree

Not sure:
Macdougall
Made
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Jack
Long Con
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon

Suspects:
Dya - I'm probably biased for this one but I feel like they're disregarding my reasons about my tone being off and I'd expect them to be correct on me or at least not pushing me this much as town
Master Radishes - I somewhat trust Nutella and Dizzy's reads and I disliked his earlier push on Nutella
112 - I dislike how she's been jumping around with reads and not really wanting to get into them, and I also disliked that she didn't go back and try to read me again after she mistook some posts that weren't mine for mine
Hyena - I disliked how he put off suspicion on him as a reaction test and I think it's pretty likely his claim is a mafia role with fakeclaim flavor considering that it doesn't fit his flavor and it was a scum role in a previous game
Falcon - seems to be going through the motions this game, I get the sense he doesn't care about his pushes or about who gets yeeted

3p:
Alison

Nanook is in the townlean tier since he feels like town!Nook.

What about Sloonei for Hyena's dead chat? I feel like he'll be useful in there.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:36 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:30 pm@Hyena you've stirred the pot enough. We've only got a few hours left. Time to start putting the pieces together. What are the major reads you have, and why? Who might be getting your vote today?
I got you, fam. I'm finishing up my current session of Animal Crossing right now, and I'll see what I can put together. @Sloonei
Also @Sloonei, I was thinking about hooking up @Alison with whoever we yeet today on D2. Then, if I'm still alive on D3, hooking that same dead person with someone else alive so that we can see if Alison will cooperate with us. What do you think about that?

Alison might not give us any info since she doesn't want to townside. Maybe we should hook up a mostly townread person that isn't likely to eat an NK.

Readslist in pretty colors:

Towncore:
Tutuu - her stuff about not wanting to be NKed and being concerned she's playing too towny I like, and she's seemed really towny this game
Michelle - I think her posting VCs shows she cares the game is solved and afaik she's out of her wolf range
Nutella - Her amount of content and conviction in her pushes is out of her wolf range
Martin - He's felt really genuine this game and I like how much work he put into his read on me

Townleans:
Tim - takes seem genuine, looks like he cares about his solving
Marmot - seems more like his town games and it feels like he's solving by sort of poking around
Sloonei - has a depth of thinking that I didn't see from scum!Sloonei
JPIC - might be biased, but I liked his treatment of me
Cat - I felt like his reaction to being wagoned with not caring about defending himself but instead trying to get a sense of the gamestate was towny
Syn - he's in the background but afaik he always is, I feel like him continuing to pursue Nutella is towny even though I disagree

Not sure:
Macdougall
Made
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Jack
Long Con
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon

Suspects:
Dya - I'm probably biased for this one but I feel like they're disregarding my reasons about my tone being off and I'd expect them to be correct on me or at least not pushing me this much as town
Master Radishes - I somewhat trust Nutella and Dizzy's reads and I disliked his earlier push on Nutella
112 - I dislike how she's been jumping around with reads and not really wanting to get into them, and I also disliked that she didn't go back and try to read me again after she mistook some posts that weren't mine for mine
Hyena - I disliked how he put off suspicion on him as a reaction test and I think it's pretty likely his claim is a mafia role with fakeclaim flavor considering that it doesn't fit his flavor and it was a scum role in a previous game
Falcon - seems to be going through the motions this game, I get the sense he doesn't care about his pushes or about who gets yeeted

3p:
Alison

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:06 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:03 pm Is this game open night or closed night?
We don't know D:

It wasn't mentioned apparently. But quite a few people are requesting it be closed.

Okay. I'll give a legacy now then incase I end up vigged tonight.

Is this game open night or closed night?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:59 pm how come no one is explaining to me why we're killing cat

I would really appreciate it if, for example,

someone told me who or what started the Cat wagon

because that *totally* couldn't affect reads based on cat's flip

I don't remember who started it, but nutella gave some ISOs of Cat in previous games and said that Cat was more like their scum game, and I read the ISOs and agreed. I feel like now they're different from both metas and their reaction to being wagoned looks towny.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:56 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:39 pm well... in my opinion these types of reads work when you know the person well and youre noticing small stuff like this

i dont believe youve played with dyachei before, and in my experience i have seen towns use the words they used, its not a scumtell, and while dya could be scum i think applying this read on them will have random accuracy

i ... was trying to say that in the most kind and respectful way, maybe i overdid it and came across as too condescending, not the intent, but, when i see types of reads that wont land well from my experience i will speak up about it since its in my interest to do so!
Sure. The response I got from you and nutella was "dya is just town", so I'll just accept that for now. It was a thing that I noticed that I pointed out, but I do appreciate the response.

Dismissing might not have been the right word for me to use, but it did feel like something in that ballpark. And despite my assertion that word usage is a useful tool, I'll admit that I'm not the best with using the right words in the right era.

Dya has a pretty big wolfrange so I'm not townreading them now. It concerns me how hyperfocused Dya's been on me this game, I dislike how they've spent more time and effort pushing me than on sorting people out or on any of their other reads.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:43 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:40 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:35 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:26 am
What was Hyenas claim?
A role that could choose one person from the living to talk to a dead person each night. I thought it was a town role at first because of what it was but someone brought up that there was a role like that that was scum and I wanted to know if Hyena's role was specifically based on that scum role.

This "scumslip" tilts me a little bit. I've tried really hard to communicate clearly this game especially with my PoE status and I swear I did not scumslip and I'm not scum.
Talk to me about this scumslip. What did you do from your perspective and how is this a scum thing?
Mac says I'm caught mafia because he thinks me forgetting that Hyena's exact role was scum in a different game was somehow a scumslip. I'm not even sure why he thinks I scumslipped but he's saying I'm caught mafia.
That seems rather weak for Mac to push so strongly on.

@MacDougall I thought you were a Mafia God?
Does it?

You said it was antitown to make pushes and cases this game since it's multiball. Why are you making pushes and cases anyway?

I also townlean Mac for much less concrete reasons than the five townreads I gave. I liked his multiball strategy post and he feels like town!Mac, but I do wonder why he gave up that strategy.

Townreads (in no order):
Nutella
Martin
Tutuu
Michelle
Tim

Both Cat and Falcon have a somewhat apathetic response to them being wagons. I like Cat's reaction a bit better than Falcon's because Cat is at least trying a little to give a legacy.

cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:04 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:36 pm Do you have any thoughts on any of the people who are voting for you?
Here to wait for my death. Not to solve me, atleast judging from the last few pages. You will wait for D2 and then blame it on inactivity or something. A bunch of people prodding at others to avoid backlash later probably. It took one post to look at Thunal/dyachei interaction that dyachei is completely ignoring Thunal right now to push them . Nutella is being helpful and actually doing stuff. I'm not sure why you are trying to counterwagon right now when i'm the top wagon.
Please name names.
Also is that an accusation directed against dya? Why? I do not know what you are referring to.
Pretty much everyone around is guilty. The people who openly don't give a shit are the towniest right now. Kylemii and Syn from what i can tell.
Inbetween me arriving and making my second post. I don't know the full context, but Thunal writes a defense, and Dyachei skips half of it and focuses on the emotional content. I don't know if Thunal is actually suspicious but it makes thunal look towny from an outsider's perspective.

This is interesting. I actually think not caring about solving is >rand scum because scum doesn't have the same motivation to solve for the other scum as town does to solve for scum. I feel like it would make sense from town!Cat who doesn't care to think the opposite since he's not caring a lot. I'm skimming Cat's ISO right now and it feels different from both the town ISOs and the scum ISO in his previous games. He's putting in more effort than he did in any of those games.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:55 pm I'm not going to try to read Dya right now since I know I'll be completely biased in any attempt to read her and I'm not feeling good for out of game reasons (which might also influence my read).

them, sorry

I'm not going to try to read Dya right now since I know I'll be completely biased in any attempt to read her and I'm not feeling good for out of game reasons (which might also influence my read).

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Cat is looking a bit better. It feels like he's bound by what he believes in when he's defending himself. I feel like he'd be all over me if he was mafia because I'm the most likely yeet option that isn't him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:32 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:19 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:16 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:13 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:13 pm @dyachei Have you played with Thunal before?
yes, several mashes and turbos
How do you think her tone is more stiff than normal here? Doesn't she always have kind of a stiff tone?

Genuine question, cause you may be right that it's even more stiff =p
it's more formal, there's no relaxation evident. usually when thunal posts in other games I can see her warming up to playing and she gets more comfortable as she plays. here I'm just seeing that "discomfort" stick around. she doesnt have that spark of excitement she gets when she starts solving something. she's solving her but it feels like she's just going through the motions
I acknowledge this and register it as an argument against Thunal, but it does not resonate with me. I do not have enough experience playing with Thunal (I believe we have just one game together and I was a big bad wolf, so I wasn't exactly trying to read her) for these observations to mean a whole lot to me.

Is there anything more tangible we can point to for a thunal case? @everyone, not just dya.

Just so you know, my different tone and lack of excitement this game is because of real life.

cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:04 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:36 pm Do you have any thoughts on any of the people who are voting for you?
Here to wait for my death. Not to solve me, atleast judging from the last few pages. You will wait for D2 and then blame it on inactivity or something. A bunch of people prodding at others to avoid backlash later probably. It took one post to look at Thunal/dyachei interaction that dyachei is completely ignoring Thunal right now to push them . Nutella is being helpful and actually doing stuff. I'm not sure why you are trying to counterwagon right now when i'm the top wagon.
Please name names.
Also is that an accusation directed against dya? Why? I do not know what you are referring to.
Pretty much everyone around is guilty. The people who openly don't give a shit are the towniest right now. Kylemii and Syn from what i can tell.
Inbetween me arriving and making my second post. I don't know the full context, but Thunal writes a defense, and Dyachei skips half of it and focuses on the emotional content. I don't know if Thunal is actually suspicious but it makes thunal look towny from an outsider's perspective.

Do you have reads on Falcon and Hyena?

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:24 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:20 pm Arguments for me being a wolf:
-I don't have the motivation/solving spark as in other games
-My tone is less emotional and more formal
-I'm not pushing people as hard

I don't see why you get to that I'm a wolf from those. I'm putting as much effort in this game as I can (probably more effort than I can at some points tbh) and I feel badly that it's somehow not showing. I'm moving back to school and I also have a lot of work to do so I'm stressed out and can't focus on this game as much as I can for most games. I'm not super excited right now because my mind isn't on this game, it's on going back to school. My tone being stiff/formal is completely normal for me (as you can see if you skimmed the town games I linked, but I don't think anyone did) and it's unfair to compare turbos to normal games.

@tedxtr @dyachei Since you're reading me based on my behavior in turbos, I want you to take a look at this.

In a turbo graveyard Actvscenei said: I only know Thunal from two games and both times she was VT. This game is notably different from when I’ve played with her. But, idk if that’s because this is a turbo and her play style is different, or if she’s scum or PT. But I don’t think she’s VT.

I was VT that turbo. I know Act from full length games on MafC and she noticed I acted really differently in turbos than in normal games. Here's the graveyard for context: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/29681
it's not about effort, it's about tone and how you're solving

Iwish you'd stop blaming yourself for activity levels because god knows you've been active

it just does very little to move the needle for me when i look at your cases and how you're presenting them

thunal, even though I'm wolf reading you this game, I have a ton of respect for you and your game and I usually get there on you being a villager. You don't have to convince me you're worthy. it's not about that

Thanks. I know it's not that you don't respect me and I'm not blaming myself for activity, I'm genuinely confused and frustrated that I can't stop being different because my real life circumstances are different and the game circumstances are also different. I'm frustrated that despite my effort I feel like I don't have anything to show for it. I think after I get settled back in school and finish the big assignment I have (I'm moving back Sunday) then I might have more of that spark.

Can you please skim these town games?
https://mafiacafe.boards.net/thread/177 ... ue-retreat
https://mafiacafe.boards.net/thread/183 ... cine-mafia

Arguments for me being a wolf:
-I don't have the motivation/solving spark as in other games
-My tone is less emotional and more formal
-I'm not pushing people as hard

I don't see why you get to that I'm a wolf from those. I'm putting as much effort in this game as I can (probably more effort than I can at some points tbh) and I feel badly that it's somehow not showing. I'm moving back to school and I also have a lot of work to do so I'm stressed out and can't focus on this game as much as I can for most games. I'm not super excited right now because my mind isn't on this game, it's on going back to school. My tone being stiff/formal is completely normal for me (as you can see if you skimmed the town games I linked, but I don't think anyone did) and it's unfair to compare turbos to normal games.

@tedxtr @dyachei Since you're reading me based on my behavior in turbos, I want you to take a look at this.

In a turbo graveyard Actvscenei said: I only know Thunal from two games and both times she was VT. This game is notably different from when I’ve played with her. But, idk if that’s because this is a turbo and her play style is different, or if she’s scum or PT. But I don’t think she’s VT.

I was VT that turbo. I know Act from full length games on MafC and she noticed I acted really differently in turbos than in normal games. Here's the graveyard for context: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/29681

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:14 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:07 pm done reading thunal's iso

usually how i'd read thunal in turbos is by the depth of her thought and aggressiveness in pushes. in here, she kind of goes for a push, starts talking about other things and then moves her vote. i don't really see any progression from her on the slot that she's voting at all either. it's kind of like, place the vote down, say why you did it, talk about something else, rinse and repeat. in other games i think there's a touch more investigation going on and relentlessly chasing the read down.
I think she's got a more formal tone and lacks her solving spark

you put it more eloquently but I think we're in agreement

I just wanted someone else who knows her to weigh in because she's also been trying to convince me that she's not a wolf by blaming it on the type of game or that she feels more free in turbos

I really can't change my tone in this game but I didn't say "it's just the type of game." It's probably because of real life, I'm moving back to school so I'm focused on things other than this game.

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

There can be only one.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:14 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:12 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:45 am If nobody will answer my question I guess I'll just dig through past games myself.
rafiki's role was town 2-shot double voter (during the day, activate, and ur vote counts for 2) (irrelevant but that role was completely useless apart from just being a claim)
i didnt mean to ignore your question thunal i just didnt realize that you didnt see my post earlier where i shared rafiki's role from lion king, thats all! i would never ignore you cutie!

thanks! yeah I didn't see it. I suspect Hyena more for that then since Hyena's claim is completely different from the original role and there was a scum role that was Hyena's. Also I wouldn't expect town to claim with 48 hours left in the day when they risk being soup killed. I'm not going to vote Hyena today incase he gets soupkilled tonight but I skimmed his ISO and I suspect him.

My suspects right now: Cat, Falcon, MR
People I don't feel great about but don't suspect as strongly as the above three: 112, Dya, Hyena

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:10 am simpsons socks changed but i was able to find which one is lisa (cat) here http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 1&sr=posts

feels more snippy overall than here, some of that could be game size tbh

here is their iso in christmas, also town search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sr=posts&t=1984&author_id=809

and here is 8ball where they were scum http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 5&sr=posts

both also very small games / short isos but i do feel like the scum iso shows the most similarity to their posts here. in like...general postshape. like they feel the need to say more things and comment on various topics idk. my vote is staying just from looking at these 8ball posts

I read those ISOs and I think what sticks out is that Cat's scum ISO feels way more terse and explainy than any of their town games. In their town games they're okay with going off one small reason for a vote but as scum they feel like they have to overexplain everything. They also feel less comfortable as scum. (wrote this before I looked at Cat this game)

Cat this game is more similar to their scum ISO. I kinda thought they were a random LHF before but they do show the same patterns of being uncomfortable and more explainy with their suspicions than as town. They can be scum.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:46 pm
[b wrote:Thunal33[/b] post_id=721345 time=1613053653 user_id=798]
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:06 am Oh I just realised something. Y'all talking about Hyena's role like it was the Pirate role. It's just DDL's role from U-Pick. Which was a scum role. DDL early claimed it and used it to live the longest of all the mafia. The role was literally a scum role in U-Pick.
Why did nobody mention this? Did it have the same flavor in U-Pick?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:38 pm I also don't think people answered me on this: was Hyena's original role a scum role? Do people think Hyena's role means he shouldn't be a yeet target?
Caught mafia.

yo she was asking for further confirmation of if ddl was specifically rafiki, im p sure
she literally asked if it was a scum role, which is the reason she fucking latched on to my post in the first place.
she literally asked if it had the same flavor

she saw that you had pointed out it was a scum role

and was further confirming if it was the same one

like

idk how youre misinterpreting this so uncharitably lol

Yes, that's what I was doing. I wanted to know if Hyena's flavor was based on the scum role but I also forgot whether that exact role had been scum in a different game or only a similar role. I also want to know if Raifiki's original role is anything like Hyena's role here (if not it might be fakeclaim flavor). If nobody will answer my question I guess I'll just dig through past games myself.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:35 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:26 am
What was Hyenas claim?
A role that could choose one person from the living to talk to a dead person each night. I thought it was a town role at first because of what it was but someone brought up that there was a role like that that was scum and I wanted to know if Hyena's role was specifically based on that scum role.

This "scumslip" tilts me a little bit. I've tried really hard to communicate clearly this game especially with my PoE status and I swear I did not scumslip and I'm not scum.
Talk to me about this scumslip. What did you do from your perspective and how is this a scum thing?

Mac says I'm caught mafia because he thinks me forgetting that Hyena's exact role was scum in a different game was somehow a scumslip. I'm not even sure why he thinks I scumslipped but he's saying I'm caught mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:27 pm She knew the role was a scum role already.

1. Okay, it's called forgetting. I remembered scum had a similar role but didn't remember that it was the exact role. I don't understand how that would be mafia indicative at all. Please explain at a basic level how exactly that's a scumslip or scum indicative in any way.
2. I didn't know if Hyena's role there was actually based on the U-Pick role since the flavor was different and was from a different game. I wanted to know whether the role from Lion King was town aligned.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:26 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:45 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:38 pm I also don't think people answered me on this: was Hyena's original role a scum role? Do people think Hyena's role means he shouldn't be a yeet target?
Holy shit you are caught mafia.
I'm literally trying to mechanically solve. Can you answer my question? I don't know how the GoC works and I know it's not a 1 to 1 alignment match but I'm trying to figure out if Hyena's claim is towny.
What was Hyenas claim?

A role that could choose one person from the living to talk to a dead person each night. I thought it was a town role at first because of what it was but someone brought up that there was a role like that that was scum and I wanted to know if Hyena's role was specifically based on that scum role.

This "scumslip" tilts me a little bit. I've tried really hard to communicate clearly this game especially with my PoE status and I swear I did not scumslip and I'm not scum.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:27 pm She knew the role was a scum role already.

I didn't know! Someone said a similar role was scum in Pirate Mafia but nobody else said that and Hyena's flavor was from The Lion King so it might have been referring to a different role. So I wanted to know whether it matched with a scum role or not and I still want to know that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:10 pm Thunal is mafia 98%.

You suspect me every game regardless of my alignment and it's getting a bit frustrating.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:45 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:38 pm I also don't think people answered me on this: was Hyena's original role a scum role? Do people think Hyena's role means he shouldn't be a yeet target?
Holy shit you are caught mafia.

I'm literally trying to mechanically solve. Can you answer my question? I don't know how the GoC works and I know it's not a 1 to 1 alignment match but I'm trying to figure out if Hyena's claim is towny.

I also don't think people answered me on this: was Hyena's original role a scum role? Do people think Hyena's role means he shouldn't be a yeet target?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:07 pm Actually, now that I think about it, Falcon doesn't seem to be trying to get anyone yeeted at the moment. o: Like, the way he keeps saying that his reads are bad, it feels like he wants to discredit himself so that he doesn't have to push anywhere. That might also be why he's voting Alison, a claimed 3P. o:

I'm thinking that too and I feel like he would try a little harder to get someone yeeted as town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:53 pm
Feline Vivisection - In Three Parts
Un.

Cats, nature's greatest mistake. Yet humanity has revered and worshipped them for millennia.

Why? They are such obvious villains.

And the feline in our midst is no different.

The reason I suspected Cat initially was a post they made defending Made from a Mac prod. It immediately gave me the impression of a nervous protection of a teammate. It was not long after that that they dropped a scummy vote on Nutella. This morning I followed up on it. I went and checked their full progression on Made and became convinced Cat was mafia. I also found the interactions between the two of them teammate indicative, given their timing; with Made reacting to Cat with the old "oh hai have we met" stereotype and Cat sort of soft batting it, while they were otherwise at odds with one another (don't quote this wall and pick this point out to argue with because yes it's weak and maybe NAI).

At present, the main concern I have is their progression from RVS through to unvoting Made feeling too constructed. Lacking the random energy of town and being too mindful of not appearing "scummy". As you'll see I have picked that up with Cat with two separate pushes. This one, and also their rising anti-Nutella sentiment having the same over-constructed approach.

When you add their relatively low content volume, the relative incisiveness of their perspectives vs. their volume and the lack (until now) of any real push against them. I do believe you have a mafia.

Tbc.
I don't think cat and made are teammates tbh but otherwise ok
Have you read part 2?
yeah. I can see it.

when you first started pushing the cat wagon tho made interacted with you most about it and said he agreed on the iso being wolfy, how did that interaction make you feel?

also i have a dumb reservation about them being w/w which is incidentally the interaction you quoted where they act up not knowing each other. the truth is they played together in christmastime mafia and i guess didn't remember, and this might be dumb but i think if they were in a wolf chat they would have realized already so unless you think that interaction was faked to the extent that they fully pretended that, i think it does make it less likely.
I baited the entire thing out of Made tbh. His reaction to everything was exactly what I'd expect him to do as a mafia teammate. He just went straight to pocketing me and agreeing with my push. There was no willingness to object in the slightest. It made me far more convinced.

Do you find Made scummy independently of Cat? I can see why they might be teammates if Cat is scum but I haven't found Made scummy individually (in part because I believe the "trying to increase his townrange thing).

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:59 pm solved the game

ooh pretty rainbow alignment

I'm not sure about Cat, and I don't think they should have more votes than Falcon. I looked at their ISO and they just feel like a random LHF who's spent very little time in the game. If anything I think they actually believe their Nutella vote since I don't think Nutella would be a planned misyeet.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:28 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:20 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:18 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:16 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:13 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:09 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:07 pm

then I don't care
tbh, kinda surprised you're still scumreading nutella. I feel better about her
Nutella might be my fallback position so I might eventually ask about this "feeling netter," but for now why are you on Falcon is the more interesting topic. So why are you on Falcon?
read back a few pages you lazy bum
Summarize man...I'm trying to bring all the arguments together here in the live end of the thread.
Okay, but I will just be going over what I've already said a few times.

I am cynical on people who vote out indie claims. They're easy pushes because they won't be met with a lot of resistance and it's easy to look townie there because it gives off the impression that you are doing something.
I think my reasons are stronger, but I endorse yours as well.

@tutuu @MartinGG99 @Thunal33

Would you mind summarizing why you are on Falcon?

I feel like he's just going through the motions this game and not actually caring about his pushes. He doesn't have the same amount of thought as I've seen him have before and I get the feeling he doesn't really care who gets yeeted even though he wolfreads Alison (and I feel like he isn't thinking through his wolfreads on Alison and Michelle).

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:50 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:46 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:45 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:30 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:29 pm Why are people voting Thunal, I was obviously joking
because she's wolfy

her tone is off and more stilted/formal

she normally gets this spark of joy or excitement when she solves and it's not there
This is what sucks
feel free to read my previous posts on it, too

you can tell me they suck for no reason as well!
I was town in both of these games and I think I was equally formal and not emotional as I am here. Also I've thought about the difference in my tone and it's probably because of real life.
https://mafiacafe.boards.net/thread/183 ... cine-mafia
https://mafiacafe.boards.net/thread/177 ... ue-retreat

To clarify: I don't think there's a big difference in my tone from previous games but if there is then it's because of real life.

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