The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:18 pm although if he's given the gun and just dies in the night the gun is wasted so hrm

Maybe whether he dies to the soupkill or not tonight can actually be alignment indicative for the person he plans to shoot? Because scum might want to keep him alive if they think he'll shoot a townie and kill him if they think he'll shoot a mafia.

Town pile of piled town:
Nutella
Alison
Martin
KZA
Flanders
Tutuu
Falcon
Nova
112

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:29 pm vote poly

I had very limited time yesterday and forgot about nova not only being on the Poly wagon, but trying to influence others to vote Poly. I'm moving Nova up to my town pile.

Thundercat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:35 am Martin discovered BBCode and strikethrough and decided that's more fun than mafia.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:35 am I think he's a decent candidate to be oracled tbh

I think so too. He could be useful as a cleared townie if he's town and if he's scum we might not get to that conclusion and elim him without an oracle check.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:33 pm this is cool

oh no what did I do?

this is cool

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:33 am Here are thy lists of issues and grievances that I have with Made:

Spoiler: show

EVIDENCE ARTICLE ONE:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:00 am
Made wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:28 am Gimme a readslist Made.
We don't serve readslist at this bistro... only....

~~~ H a w t T a k e s ~~~

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vol 3.

Today we are serving

The Tutuu: was fresh earlier, but is quite stale today tbh.

The Thunal: may be going bad as well, but started fresher than the Tutuu for sure

People stopped ordering the 112, all at once. now they're throwing it out?

The Sig is immitation, but no one's seemed to notice so

Alison /w a side of Nutella is a special this week, but the Nutella is VERY option. A treat deceptively low in calories, but entirely unoffensive.

I'm learning the Flanders is an aquired taste, quite bitter-- but still fresh

Martin looks good, but empty calories I'd say

The GS is murky, but taste okay. Needs to be marinated further.

Our Kyles are a hit, but potential a flash in the pan longing for SUBSTANCE

There's a guy name Joseph who works here....

The nova is foul ngl, but, like the GS, it's not order by critics often. A critic's review of either dish is in order

The Nanook is bland--tasteless , and the Jack is hated by critics, I trust the critics but it's fan's aren't exactly the most cultured....

We are considering adding Boknows to the menu, but again bland. Ngl, I haven't had much of this dish

the Polypie exist.

Steer clear of the KZA, also imitation.
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Today's Special
The Maccaroni: Highly praised, but like the pufferfish INCREDIBLY TOXIC if prepared poorly. This hasn't lead to lack of demand, however. It's imperative that all Chefs prepare this dish with care to ensure the safety of our patrons.

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Bone apple teet
This is a hedgy do nothing post dressed up like a meme. There is no read here that is good and I now wish to turbo you.
Now initially, I disregarded this point from Mac since it was the early game. However, one thing I noticed is this:

He makes wording that partially ties Jack to Nanook's alignment for whatever reason before Jack is correctly eliminated and

He makes no mention or effort to discern Polypies' alignment until its Mid-to-near-EoD2, when Polypies is being put on the choping block:

Made wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:32 pm Are we just voting poly cuz low participation?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:50 am Made's post 2781 is extremely ugly. It does nothing except shade the wagon, it doesn't reflect someone wanting to figuring out what's going on and the reasoning behind the switch or the suspicion on Poly. Weird tone, kind of like they're disappointed lol.
This is in response to the quote above from Made, by Novaselinenever. Now, regardless of what you think of Nova, I strongly believe in the points he made here; in fact isn't this something a mafia teammate who has TMI on their teammates may unintentionally show?

Made wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:00 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:58 pm are we just gonna give joe mama an all-game pass?
This is kinda why I’m not for poly; poly, Joe mama, chuck are in the same bull bucket in my head, and I think we have better than null to work with.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:00 am
Made wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:32 pm Are we just voting poly cuz low participation?
Standing by this. Poly made as much sense as any other low poster. Good shot tho vig

Gonna start my day with a sig

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine
Once again he's implying that Poly's alignment should be compared or tied with someone else's, just like with Jack/Sloonei earlier on D1, and doubles-down on it later.

This strongly implies or shows association with Sloonei/Jack and Polypies as plausible teammates.

EVIDENCE ARTICLE TWO:

One question:

Why did the obliterator target Made N1 despite knowing it would be announced?

Seriously. It reportedly said he was targeted for being a tracker, but to be quite honest I didn't get that impression from him.

Additionally, look back to Evidence Article One. Do you think a villager with hedgey-as-heck reads is that much of a threat?

I mean, sure, they are being town-read at that time. But where's the threat? I don't see anything that makes them a bigger target than everyone else out in the field of townies to target.

And there's technically not as much risk in showing that he's town-cleared, because neither the Mastermind nor the Mafia know who:

1) The 3P's are
and
2) Who the Traitor is.

If they accidentally mis-cleared someone, it would be VERY EASY to clean it up. So why have they held off on the guesses?

I think the answer is clear. This was an obliterator attempt purely meant for WIFOM, and Made is an outed mafia teammate. Especially since I'm the only one bringing this up so far IIRC.

EVIDENCE ARTICLE THREE:

Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:51 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:41 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:41 pm
[Reads list snipped from quote]

I like this list. I think I'm at a similar place but I'm not confident. I'd move Kyle and Joe to the null category though.
Finding myself a bit further from the mindmeld, but here’s where I am at. Order is just what happened when I rearranged Martin’s list.
Town (13/16)
Made
Alison
Stupid Sexy Flanders
Kylemii
Falcon45ca
Tutuu
Macdougall
112
Nutella
Thundercat
Grand Scheme
KZA
Thunal33

Null (4 undecided)
Joe who?
NIK
Martín
Myo

Scum (5)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Nova
Sig
Sabie12
Chuck
Also this looks like scummy self-consciousness, he immediately makes a similar reads list like I did, but he puts me in null??? He also does this WHILE QUOTING someone else's reaction to it, so he clearly felt it was prompted despite having never been asked to make one at that point. Only reason to do so from a remotely towny perspective without prompt, I would imagine, is if he town-read me. And even then they would probably be trying to solve the game with other townies.

This is put in a spoiler out of pity for mobile user's eyes

@novaselinenever
@nutella

I think you two guys would want to or need to see this. I apologize that it's a wall, but I divided it into 3 separate articles of evidence.

I personally think Made is AT THE VERY LEAST way too risky to be let alive for long. He's just scum, specifically one of the last two mafia that can talk with their allies and the mastermind. Or maybe he is the mastermind if mastermind can self-target.

You don't have to townread someone to like the way they made a readslist. I don't think the readslist point means much. I don't really like the "we're not yeeting Poly since he hasn't done anything" since it could come from a mindset of saving a teammate, but I said similar so it could easily come from town too.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:45 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:41 am Clear til the cows come home
Martin
Kza
Flanders
Alison

Pretty dang town
Kyle
112
Falcon
tutuu
Grand scheme
Thunal
Made

Fine, might be wolf here
Joewho
Mac
Nova
sig
thundercat

Meh
Chuck
Nik

Bleh
Myo
Nanook
Sabie
Preety good reads imo

Only difference I have is on Made's towniness (or scumminess I should say)

But that's just my conspiracy theory, and can be left for another day if need be.

I do think Made looks fairly good from his post about a roleblocker and the attempt to kill him. I don't think the mastermind would waste their kill on someone they know to be mafia. I don't think Made is cleared town but I think there's mech evidence that points to him being town.

I agree with shooting Sabie, I'd reveal Made or NIK over Flanders though.

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:33 pm Who should I reveal with my oracle death

I'm thinking NIK.

[VOTE: Sabie12] aubergine

Feeling more confident in this than Nova rn.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:12 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:03 am why do you say nik could be 3p sabie? talk me through that thought
Well under normal game circumstances I feel like sometimes a person who is widely suspected by most players ends up being 3p. I recall that happening a couple times in previous games. I feel like NIK is more likely to be scum or 3p than town at this point based on their posting and gameplay so far. Though with the weird setup in this game I guess maybe that logic doesn't make as much sense I don't know.

I don't like this "NIK is 3p" read either. I don't doubt it's genuine but it feels like Sabie could be mafia suspecting NIK but knowing he isn't mafia.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:50 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:36 pm Nova is actually a solid lynch choice IMO. Seems like he came in and did just enough to get the heat off himself, then back to slanking
Lmao what the fuck is wrong with you? You don't have to be thread camping to not be slanking, that's not health expectations. I was around last night at SoD, went to sleep, went about my day and just got around to having time to post. I'm fucking town, stop wasting your time and mine.

This feels truthful. I don't think Nova is or was purposefully slanking if he's mafia from this post.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:17 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:36 pm Nova is actually a solid lynch choice IMO. Seems like he came in and did just enough to get the heat off himself, then back to slanking
Agree. I spared Nova yesterday in part because I wanted to give him a chance but it seems like he's way more motivated to defend himself than he is to solve, and that's the problem I saw with his posts EoD too.
This doesn't feel real to me. The progression makes little sense, being more concerned about defending myself was her initial take and I stopped concentrating on it after having driven the elim off of me. I was solving and sharing snap takes from the little I read, she interacted with some of them. This also continued when I was around early today, so this doesn't really reflect reality at all and kind of feel dirty the way she's fixating on that early part of my pop-in and trying to bring herself back to that point, avoiding the later progression in order to justify a scumread here. Very meh

Yet to visit the poly wagon handling I mentioned earlier

I thought the later progression might have been from a self-pres mindset too since people were really wanting you to give reads, but I also liked some of those reads you gave and suspected MR more than you. I never townread you or even had you on the town side of null, I just thought MR was a better wagon and was waffling between you being null and you being scum.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:07 am So I guess I'm going to vote NIK. They say they always bus as scum and they voted for jack who was scum. In this game though with the uncertainity about whether scum knows thier teammates the idea that they would have bussed wouldn't make sense as a defense.

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

This vote was the one I found questionable. Voting NIK because they always bus and then saying that the idea they would have bussed wouldn't make sense as a defense because scum might not know each other? I really don't get this reasoning and it feels like grasping at straws.

I started reading Sabie's ISO before the site went out and it's a lot of null so far except the NIK vote looked to be for inconsistent reasons.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:57 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:55 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:44 pm I have a plan to die and clear 2 people. Hopefully I'm not overlooking anything mechanically but I think it's pretty foolproof if I get cooperation from the town.

Actually I am putting KZA in my town-list if true

No more questions

"having a plan to die and clear 2 people" seems pretty towny to me.

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:44 pm I have a plan to die and clear 2 people. Hopefully I'm not overlooking anything mechanically but I think it's pretty foolproof if I get cooperation from the town.

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:36 pm Nova is actually a solid lynch choice IMO. Seems like he came in and did just enough to get the heat off himself, then back to slanking

Agree. I spared Nova yesterday in part because I wanted to give him a chance but it seems like he's way more motivated to defend himself than he is to solve, and that's the problem I saw with his posts EoD too.

I don't really want to elim LC today. He's been acting pretty different than in Grasslands and I feel like his EoD1 would be an extremely bold move as scum that he probably wouldn't make.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:41 pm I think I got a readslist (in no particular order):

Town (13/16)
MartinGG99
Alison
Stupid Sexy Flanders
Kylemii
Falcon45ca
Tutuu
Novaselinenever
Joe Who?
112
NIK
Nutella
Thundercat
Thunal33

Null (4 undecided)
Macdougall
Grand Scheme
Sig
KZA

Scum (5/6)
Made
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Myo
Sabie12
Chuck

Might change in the future ofc, but any of those in the scum-list I'm okay with offing today. If they're in the Null section then I need a bit of convincing.

I like this list. I think I'm at a similar place but I'm not confident. I'd move Kyle and Joe to the null category though.

I don't really think it's NIK at this point. His posts about "I won't get lynched because I'm town" actually feel towny.

Do the final VCs show the order of the votes? I've noticed they're in the wrong order and I'm wondering if there's a way to get the correct order easily.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:53 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:39 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:38 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:25 pm please never townread me off of frustration, i just faked a lot of it as mafia in the game that just ended (overtime mafia), ty! @Alison @Thunal33
Wait, you can be mafia?
Sorry, I'm still townreading you based on that reaction since I think that specific frustration at that time (early d1) comes from town a lot more often. I also think you bringing this up is a little towny.
you are right that me bringing it up is towny but i dont think that my d1 reactionary stuff was towny, please look at what i wrote (as mafia):

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:38 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:36 am Enjoy acting like a fool, friend. This is really sad.
if its so sad why dont u go cry in wolf chat u little baby?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:12 am to say that im moderately annoyed would be an understatement

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:12 am imagine forcing me to out myself and then having the audacity to talk shit to me

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:26 am dont feel like playing
please stop townreading me for stuff like that, i hate it when ppl get townread based off of fights, when im mafia this feels extremely unfair to me when townies get towncleared based off of frustration alone and nothing else, because i cant interact with it

so the more i get townread for it, the more ill be forced to fake it as scum until i stop getting townread for it (obviously the better thing is to just remain calm at all times, but when i cant do that, this is the second best thing i can do)

Okay I understand that and definitely want to keep a good thread environment.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:38 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:25 pm please never townread me off of frustration, i just faked a lot of it as mafia in the game that just ended (overtime mafia), ty! @Alison @Thunal33
Wait, you can be mafia?

Sorry, I'm still townreading you based on that reaction since I think that specific frustration at that time (early d1) comes from town a lot more often. I also think you bringing this up is a little towny.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:25 pm please never townread me off of frustration, i just faked a lot of it as mafia in the game that just ended (overtime mafia), ty! @Alison @Thunal33

Wait, you can be mafia?

I know I said it before and was kind of active (and shouldn't have been), but today I probably won't contribute much until near EoD.

Day 3 and not one townie dead

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:01 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:59 pm @Stupid Sexy Flanders
Yes

vote Radish

@Stupid Sexy Flanders

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:52 pm Grand Scheme is also like outed mafia.

I dunno how Radishes ended up getting wagoned over some of these other people honestly.
CFD grand scum?

[VOTE: Grand Skeeze] aubergine

Your CFD is basically a vote for NIK at this point.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:52 pm Grand Scheme is also like outed mafia.

I dunno how Radishes ended up getting wagoned over some of these other people honestly.

The only reason I'm unsure of Grand Scheme is that that EoD1 felt TWTBAW.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:51 pm I can tie it up again.

Don't, I definitely prefer MR to NIK.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:35 pm I'm known as the slankers whisperers but I'm fucking beat there. Joe is a new rare breed yet I just think like what kind of wolf would come into the game sticking to emoji posting?

I think Nova's looked better recently. This post feels like genuinely wanting to know Joe's alignment.

Thundercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:57 pm I see what you mean with Poison. In 187 posts she has like 3 reads.

I also disliked all the 3p hunting from Poison.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:51 pm Sabie is Mafia too, we all agree?

Not sure.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:43 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:37 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:36 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:35 pm Actually I think I'll just do that.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Nova's takes look okay, I still suspect them but it might be best to give them a chance at least.
I mean the takes don’t have to be fake for them to be scum, especially if Nova doesn’t know their teammates identities
One thing that pings me is the "thunal is town for burying me" post. I know that a tactic I use as scum when someone's pushing me is to try to defuse the push by townreading the pusher.
mmmmm yeah. also almost sounds like an admission of guilt

i keep waffling on him tho tbh

and have a sudden return to conviction in radish kinda

Same. I think I'm more confident in Radish than Nova rn.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:39 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:37 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:36 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:35 pm Actually I think I'll just do that.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Nova's takes look okay, I still suspect them but it might be best to give them a chance at least.
I mean the takes don’t have to be fake for them to be scum, especially if Nova doesn’t know their teammates identities
One thing that pings me is the "thunal is town for burying me" post. I know that a tactic I use as scum when someone's pushing me is to try to defuse the push by townreading the pusher.
Lol. Another townie point for you.

Get out of my pocket!

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:37 pm I found them very early on in Simpsons as town, and here something feel hollow about them. The tone and their handling of peeps feels off, would probably expand further if I ever get time. They're playing a decent game but it's not something that I think is unfakeable. Kind of reminds of SPF in that grasslands with her being consenssus tr, and I just couldn't reach her there

This looks real.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:37 pm I found them very early on in Simpsons as town, and here something feel hollow about them. The tone and their handling of peeps feels off, would probably expand further if I ever get time. They're playing a decent game but it's not something that I think is unfakeable. Kind of reminds of SPF in that grasslands with her being consenssus tr, and I just couldn't reach her there

I feel like MR at the start of D2 was playing similarly to Sloonei in Grasslands, posting enough but not having a lot of motivation. He picked up motivation later on but basically went on a quest to check all the boxes of "things MR usually does in games." (correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know all the things MR does in games but I felt like he was playing to fulfill expectations) I think if MR is scum and scum know each other, NIK isn't mafia. MR's treatment of NIK felt like he wanted to get towncred off it. Also Poison was quite scummy.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:36 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:35 pm Actually I think I'll just do that.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Nova's takes look okay, I still suspect them but it might be best to give them a chance at least.
I mean the takes don’t have to be fake for them to be scum, especially if Nova doesn’t know their teammates identities

One thing that pings me is the "thunal is town for burying me" post. I know that a tactic I use as scum when someone's pushing me is to try to defuse the push by townreading the pusher.

Actually I think I'll just do that.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Nova's takes look okay, I still suspect them but it might be best to give them a chance at least.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:32 pm what happened to the Poison slot? That was another scum read and think it was consensus

I wouldn't mind voting there tbh. I considered doing an off-wagon vote on MR.

I'm catching up. I should probably wait to comment before I've seen all Nova's posts.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:23 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:17 pm [VOTE: Nova] aubergine

Nova's return doesn't look very townie. It seems like they care more about defending themselves and saying they're town than they care about giving the town legacy reads and something to work with. Even if I haven't read the thread I can make snap takes based on the info I have fairly easily as town, and I think town!Nova would be capable of that too.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:16 pm I guess that's fair, would probably scum read a pop in like mine if I were in your shoes. But you're also underestimating how fucking lost I am right now having not gotten the time tor read anything, and how massive the thread is which is even more demoralizing. Checking for tags and searching username for non tag mentions helps me get an idea of the discussion surrounding me, and like you read those posts and the posts near them
And yes, I'm more interested in surviving then sharing snap takes. Of fucking course lol

I don't expect you to come in when you're tied for the lead wagon and not defend yourself if you're town. I expected town!you to defend yourself and also give a legacy.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:20 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:17 pm [VOTE: Nova] aubergine

Nova's return doesn't look very townie. It seems like they care more about defending themselves and saying they're town than they care about giving the town legacy reads and something to work with. Even if I haven't read the thread I can make snap takes based on the info I have fairly easily as town, and I think town!Nova would be capable of that too.
How do you feel about this post in particular?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:14 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:10 pm Like if you're really a townie who just popped in here for eod you can do better tbh
Like what? Give me pointers
Obviously, I don't know Nova that much but personally if I were scum I don't imagine myself asking this; I would be more defensive.

I actually think that comes more from a defensive mindset of "how can I possibly look townie?"

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine

Nova's return doesn't look very townie. It seems like they care more about defending themselves and saying they're town than they care about giving the town legacy reads and something to work with. Even if I haven't read the thread I can make snap takes based on the info I have fairly easily as town, and I think town!Nova would be capable of that too.

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