The Syndicate

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:55 pm Let's take another look at LP's opener for a minute:

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:32 pm Thunal is another person I took note of. They have a lot of town reads which makes me lean on them having TMI. I'm curious if they have anything that isn't a town lean or null.
This is the post from Thunal that I believe LP is referring to:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:11 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:00 pm [VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine for continuing to lurk, what are you even doing?
Waiting until I had time to actually get into the game. I'm actually trying a new strategy where I don't do as many snap reads until I have some level of confidence in them.
GTH on Scotty, Delta, SVS, Jack, Seanzie?
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town

People are more likely town than scum by default and nobody's dipped below the 50% likely to be town threshold for me. You and Seanzie are slightly >rand town.
Looking at it in context, LP's post is even more weird. Thunal's post isn't even a read, it's a simple statistical statement, and accusing that of "TMI" feels really artificial, not to mention that even if true someone having a lot of townreads is a weird reason to wolfread them. LP's post gets worse the more I look into it

Tbf, I made a couple actual townleans after that post and that could be what LP is talking about.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:37 pm I can see two conclusions from this:

1. Scotty is a townie who isn't really paying attention to the game and is mostly posting without thinking
2. They are a wolf that is trying to shade more active town players, potentially being able to prevent a towncore without having to put in too much effort

Both are believable at this point.

If Scotty is a wolf I don't see that being his angle. Most wolves, especially those who are strapped for time, tend to just focus on making themselves and possibly their partners look good rather than try to prevent a towncore.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:40 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:27 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:41 am Theres an alarming lack of easy reads in this game, I might have to actually try, there's only like 4 people I feel good about reading lol
Who are those 4 people?
Dizzy, jack, epi maybe, Roxy maybe, wilgy maybe, svs maybe. I used to be good at reading thunal but that was like a decade ago.

Dizzy is an easy read?

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Slight suspicion here. He seemed too concerned with making sure people didn't think he got the info that he was last from wolfchat and responding to leetic without doing much else.

So far I townlean leetic, SVS, Seanzie, and Dizzy. Dizzy's whole approach of playing to test his accuracy and then getting sucked into the game anyway is towny imo.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:01 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:17 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/
Just an FYI, it's kind of an old school Syndicate thing, not voting new people their first game. But this isn't your first game, just your first game with him. So I do find that odd.

@Thunal33 I saw your post where you explained your vote for Scotty. Is it just pressure, or is there anything else? Seeing your thoughts on this will help me sort him, but also sort you. And after Wilgys game I kinda need to sort you, lol.

Scotty usually has more to say, I know he's busy irl, but hope to see more of him, he usually has more to say. I'm unlikely to vote him Day one on vibes without a smoking gun, though.

@leetic First, it's not "fluffposting". It's people playing their game their way, having one on one discussions with people helps me sort them. It's how I play. This AM, I was feeling a bit iffy about Sean, now, a bit better. Based on that conversation.

When I get to page 6, I'll let you know how I feel about Deltas recent posts, I haven't gotten to them yet.

Mostly pressure, with some slight sus on him voting Seanzie for "strong stances" (I think that's towny for Seanzie) and not making a read out of the Leetic self awareness comment.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:43 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:42 pm Delta, it's very rude and uncool of you to rand wolf in every game we play together. icrievertim
But you can always talk me out of this read. Wink wink!

Can you explain the Delta wolf read? I'm not really seeing it - the only thing I see is that he could be trying hard to be likable, but that can easily be explained as a style difference.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:01 pm Long Con, last to show! Hi all.
How do you know that you're last to show? Did you read my post stating as such?
Although then again, Roxy's post that quotes my said post is just two above LC's opener. I'm a bit wary of him having learned that in wolfchat, but this is probably not worth looking into

This is towny paranoia.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:24 pm Good night, friends.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME You probably do need to try this game.

@Thunal33 Wink wink

This is my wink.

Am I obvious town to you yet?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:43 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:37 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:32 pm I won't be giving out GTH reads on command at this point. In any case, I haven't read most of the thread.
You felt the need to comment on the Delta/Scotty interaction, yet don't actually have any actual thoughts on it. Lame
Fine.

I do have an educated guess on Scotty as town. I did read his posts, cause I was curious. I don't think he's wolfy at all. He's Scotty.

Delta, I don't have thoughts on. I haven't read most of his posts. I don't understand what he's trying to say about Scotty. Something something self awareness or entrance. Might just try to make something happen. I don't know. Very cute though.

There's nothing I find super wolfy from Scotty, but I haven't seen the town energy I've seen other times I played with him and I don't agree with his Seanzie vote. The time we were t/t I very quickly townread him and when I was wolf and he was town I still thought he was obvious from the start. I hoped he'd show that if he's town with a little pressure on him.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:32 pm I won't be giving out GTH reads on command at this point. In any case, I haven't read most of the thread.

More generally, I won't confirm to your expectations or standards of play, which I have myself found perplexing in the past. It's more enjoyable for me at a distance as of now.

Although I do sympathize with any impatience and annoyance with the lack of love and effort this game and this town is showing. I appreciate you being punk about it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:34 pm I only joined this game to see if my read accuracy is indeed improving.

So I intend to survive until D2 for once. =)

I feel this. I wanted to sit back d1 for similar reasons but the game needed me to help move it along.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:32 pm It's been a while since I forgot about this starting...But glad to see everyone is sprouting. Sad no one made a green bean or red bean joke about alignments though. Heck no one even made a vanilla bean joke, sad times indeed.

At first glance I'm not really liking leetic that much. As a whole their posts just look performative to me like they are trying to just go through the motions of looking town than actually trying to reach any sort of conclusions from anything they are doing. Like they keep talking about lurkers and using GTH for others, but they never really seem to follow up with lurker's posting or the responses to people after GTH (which is kind of the whole point of GTH).

Thunal is another person I took note of. They have a lot of town reads which makes me lean on them having TMI. I'm curious if they have anything that isn't a town lean or null.

The last early thoughts I have are that I'm liking Scotty and pyxxy so far. Scotty also had this thing which was a minor point aligning with what i was thinking for leetic.

It's not really a scum read, but I'm voting Scotty because he didn't follow up on the self awareness comment he made and I think there's a good chance pressure helps me find him if he's town. I weakly townleaned Leetic since I feel like someone I'm unfamiliar with as scum would pick a different target to initially pressure than me. I agree sometimes leetic feels self aware, but for all I know that could be their playstyle and I've incorrectly scumread enough self-aware townies that I don't really think it's AI in general.

Let's get this game going.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:43 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:21 am I think SVS giving an early townlean on Epi is towny for her too.
Can you give more elaboration on this read?

She tends to hide more as mafia early, so giving a townlean on a player who people might really question her townlean on looks good imo.

I think SVS giving an early townlean on Epi is towny for her too.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:40 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:16 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:10 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:07 pm

You're scum.
OMGUS
How so?
It's an unnecessary reaction to being lightly prodded
I think it was meant more in jest, knowing my relationship with Thunal, however I can see why you'd think this, and I think your comment likely means more about your alignment than Thunals.

However, while I don't really see it as OMGUS, I am slightly worried that it is a deflection.
It was a joke, and I'm also perfectly capable of throwing out snap takes I have no confidence in as town or scum. What would I be deflecting from?
By joking, while also giving one of the reads that is hardest for the questioner to really create content responding to, you deflect further scrutiny from me based on your answers.

I do not doubt you can give snap reads as scum, but doing so invites attention. Perhaps unwanted attention.

I didn't think about any of that.

Tbh, this and the paranoia about Delta's questions are probably towny for you.

Tbf, I've seen Delta play in his champs games and he played like this in his qualifier. I don't think him being overly friendly/talkative is AI.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:16 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:10 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:07 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:58 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:47 pm

Waiting until I had time to actually get into the game. I'm actually trying a new strategy where I don't do as many snap reads until I have some level of confidence in them.
Boo, I want snap reads.
You're scum.
OMGUS
How so?
It's an unnecessary reaction to being lightly prodded
I think it was meant more in jest, knowing my relationship with Thunal, however I can see why you'd think this, and I think your comment likely means more about your alignment than Thunals.

However, while I don't really see it as OMGUS, I am slightly worried that it is a deflection.

It was a joke, and I'm also perfectly capable of throwing out snap takes I have no confidence in as town or scum. What would I be deflecting from?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:11 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:00 pm [VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine for continuing to lurk, what are you even doing?
Waiting until I had time to actually get into the game. I'm actually trying a new strategy where I don't do as many snap reads until I have some level of confidence in them.
GTH on Scotty, Delta, SVS, Jack, Seanzie?

Town
Town
Town
Town
Town

People are more likely town than scum by default and nobody's dipped below the 50% likely to be town threshold for me. You and Seanzie are slightly >rand town.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:58 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:00 pm [VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine for continuing to lurk, what are you even doing?
Waiting until I had time to actually get into the game. I'm actually trying a new strategy where I don't do as many snap reads until I have some level of confidence in them.
Boo, I want snap reads.

You're scum.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:50 pm I feel so rusty, it's been like forever since I've played mafia.

Same but more being rusty at solving while in the thread. I haven't rolled town since the Sesame Street game.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:00 pm [VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine for continuing to lurk, what are you even doing?

Waiting until I had time to actually get into the game. I'm actually trying a new strategy where I don't do as many snap reads until I have some level of confidence in them.

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them

Town. I like being able to solve a puzzle.
Historically on the high end of posters. This game I have a life so I probably won't post as much as usual.
A little experience with most people in the list, and more with Dizzy, Seanzie, and Nanook.

I've played 6 games of forum mafia this year and was only town in 2 of them. So mathematically, there's a 100% chance I'm town this game.

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