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- Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:06 pm
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I don't think she'd go as far as she did though. The town loss thing felt a lot easier to tell the truth about than to lie about and I feel like you might pick up on that.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:05 amThis looks like one of those posts that wolves make when they're annoyed about their push claiming PR. KOD did the exact them thing to zenon in G1.
It's not Lime's fault if other people misread him. Sure he has some influence on it, but it's our read in the end.
- Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:45 pm
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I'm not feeling Epi mafia anymore. I caught him from spec in that game where he was wolf with Delta and he felt different there. Here it feels like he's throwing out takes while there it felt like he had a clear agenda.
- Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:40 pm
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There was a period of time where he didn't make his read on Marmot clear, which could have to do with your 180 but it's also possible he's town who reevaluted becuause he cared about your input.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:47 pmMy worry is that Dizzy seemed to uncomfortably partially-pivot on Marmot after I full 180'd on Marmot. Scum!Dizzy could have been hoping I would tunnel Marmot and then I would take the fall for a town!Marmot flip, and then had to pivot when that wasn't going to happen any more. I know, this read is very me-centric, but I am kinda so good at this game that Carly Simon wrote a song about me.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:44 pm Dizzy might be town actually. I was worried about him thinking people townreading Marmot was bad, but if he's wolf I'm not sure if he'd go that hard on a w!Marmot. I don't think it's a bus, and if Marmot flips town people will naturally look to Dizzy to suspect first. There's not really a need to go that hard this early.
- Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:29 pm
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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:39 pm
Ah, I see. Well, since now I know that the vote is locked, I'll hold off voting the poll...unless it's locked by virtue of thread voting?
Lemme know
I'm a bit paranoid that Falcon scumreads LC here but doesn't want his vote to be locked on him. When I've seen Falcon he doesn't change his vote often and usually keeps his scumreads for awhile, so I think t!Falcon might not mind his vote being locked.
- Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:25 pm
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The thing is that voting early is bad for mafia as well as for town, so I don't really think mafia would make an early vote on purpose.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:07 pmOK, so like nothing they say makes sense? That's the feel I got from reading on and running into your thoughts on LC.
My general feel for him was OK, but I'll read him in ISO. BUT ....
And in retrospect, doing this kind of thing, placing a vanity vote (intentional or accidental) could be a way for baddies to manipulate the poll. With only 12 players, and locked votes, three non copnsensus votes is already limiting our options.
I hadn't thought of that earlier. I still think it looks NAI mostly for Falcon most of the three. Lc and Epis vote look less benign to me than they did.
- Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:20 pm
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Still catching up, but we absolutely need to consolidate votes better than this. From now on I think we should make pretend votes like we did in Grasslands before we lay down our actual votes.
- Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:31 am
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I have mixed feelings on him. I was worried about how hard he was going on Marmot, but I feel like he'd have more of a plan as a wolf. If Marmot is a wolf, I don't think Dizzy would bus him like this. If Marmot is town, it's such a clear trajectory from Marmot flips town > Dizzy gets suspected that I don't feel like Dizzy would think it's a good strategy.
- Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:26 am
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I had Nutella low then because of the pings I talked about and also because it pinged me that she suspected LC because his reads were nonsensical. I don't think she'd actively call Brad throwing and be annoyed about a potential town loss as a wolf though.
- Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:06 am
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Also, Lime should absolutely not say who he's marking. Not only will wolves be able to block him, they may not block him if he's going to shoot a townie.
- Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:05 am
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I won't be able to actually play for a few hours, but I agree with others that Nutella's reaction is town. I don't really have a strong scumread at this point.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:14 pm
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Sure.
Scotty
SVS
Seanzie
Syn
Dizzy
Marmot
LC
Rico
Falcon
Epi
Nutella
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:47 pm
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I won't be able to do a whole lot today since I have a big project but I want to look into Marmot. I put some weight on Dizzy's read there.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:44 pm
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Dizzy might be town actually. I was worried about him thinking people townreading Marmot was bad, but if he's wolf I'm not sure if he'd go that hard on a w!Marmot. I don't think it's a bus, and if Marmot flips town people will naturally look to Dizzy to suspect first. There's not really a need to go that hard this early.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:22 pm
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I'm not a big fan of the vote split rn. We can't have everyone vanity voting or it'll be easy for mafia to control the elim.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:21 pm
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It worries me that Nutella focused so much on defending why Marmot wasn't her partner. It feels like she's caught for the wrong reasons.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:17 pm
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I buy that it was a reaction test.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:35 pmThis was about you, not Marmot. Thanks for reminding me about it though. I woke up feeling fine about you this morning, but it does seem like last night I was hesitant, so I'll re-look at your ISO.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:59 pm Sean’s progression on marmot is questionable:-95% convinced he’ll vote marmotSpoiler: show
-“upon reflection I don’t see whatever it was I was seeing earlier”
-‘yea yea yea at this point it’s a pattern’
-doesn’t suspect anymore
-locktown
Like, ok. People can make 180’s in short amounts of time. I’ve done it this game.
What’s bugging me is that post in the middle where sean says ‘at this point it’s a pattern’. Because it seems to me that post is still shading marmot but he’s already reflected that he didn’t suspect him for the reason that he thought he did. Then to follow it up with marmot being one of the only ones in the top town tier? Baffling.
@Seanzie , what made marmot a top town and not just your main scum read? Because I feel like it wouldn’t be as binary as you’ve made it
I pushed Marmot early on for a weak reason. I purposefully continued to mount pressure towards him to see how he would react. IMO, he reacted completely fine and did not give me "worried" vibes, which makes me think he is just town.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:11 pm
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How confident are you that Marmot is wolf?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:02 pmUnless you're Syn of course.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:01 pmWhen they are as wolfy as Marmot. Yes.
Actually, it isn't that bad. But all your reads are weird to me.
Thunal has the worst Marmot read offence if Marmot is town.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:03 pm
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Nutella and Marmot aren't partnered imo.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:54 pmHow's that? Their interaction with me was a disaster and I was the one pointing out that it was. What makes you think that was partnered?
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:58 pm
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Why is Dizzy suspecting LC for townreading Marmot? I'm feeling a bit paranoid about him right now.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:54 pm
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Spoiler: show
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:44 pm
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I don't see why accidentally vote locking means town Epi. Scum Epi could forget the rules too.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:28 amI believe that Epi accidentally vote-locked, and IMO if that is true, it likely means town!Epi. It could have been faked, but I just don't see it.
I got the jeebeist of all the heebies from their recent rainbow list, and I don't really believe their push on you/Scotty, and aside from that they've done nothing of merit.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:23 am
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:15 amI would agree that caring about appearances would be a bad look for Epi, specifically. He normally doesn’t give a rats butt how he looks.
Can you point me to a post where that happened? I read over the thread this AM and saw that that vote, and the 60/70 posts thing, had happened, but I didn’t read much into his reaction.
It was him focusing on this sequence and not really anything else. The "Thunal is my partner" felt like he had the need to come up with a response.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:17 am
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- Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:19 am
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Epi could easily be mafia who didn't know votes were locked. I feel like he was a little too concerned with how he appeared to the thread after his vote.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:16 am
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Can @Seanzie or @Dyslexicon explain why they scumread Marmot? Because after his recent posts I'm not seeing it. I'm nodding along to a lot of what he said, like townreading Scotty for the observation and initially being skeptical of Epi thinking votes were locked.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:11 am
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That was 100% a joke.Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:15 amI have a very slight ping from Thunal's post here. Mainly the slight dig at me which is the only such post she made in the first couple pages of this game. Every other one has been a light off-topic comment, or something framing players in a more positive light (such as the townleans on nut and Scotty here).
The thing that bugs me a little is that I can see this sort of thing coming from a wolf attempting to ease into a scumlean, given that the observation itself isn't really something that would warrant a read.
But it's only a minor ping, because it could very well just be a dig, and I haven't noticed anything else from Thunal that's bothered me yet.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:08 am
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This pings me somewhat. Instead of trying to read around Epi's vote on me, Nutella brushes it off in a way that feels wolfy. Like she's keeping the option open to sus me and Epi but doesn't want to actually state a scumread on either of us.
Scotty is town. Accusing Epi of faking it is one of those things that's easier for a townie to think of.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:58 am
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I think Epi probably didn't know votes were locked. If Epi is mafia that faked not knowing votes were locked, what's his plan? To vote me, making his vote unavailable for anyone else later, and to risk it being seen as performative? I don't think it's a very good plan. I do have some paranoia after Belzy's snipe on me in Sesame Street, but I don't really think it's like that because he could easily have just voted me later.
- Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:51 am
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- Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:43 pm
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SVS is slightly above rand town as well imo. I think specifically her teasing Scotty by calling him Mr Paranoia is something she'd be a little more likely to do as town.
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:33 pm
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You don't have to. I'm not sure how much I think it's true but I think it's enough to be above random. I also didn't mean you always don't care btw, I skimmed a couple of your recent ISOs and you don't tend to play defense.
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:03 pm
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What I was saying was that if you played like you did as a wolf, it would be taking a risk of getting early suspicion that might be difficult to defend against because you would want to emulate your town play.
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:13 pm
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I remember you playing like I'd imagine your avatar would. I don't think you cared too much about defense and if you were a wolf here and did suddenly start caring it would look bad for you.Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:07 pmi am deeply interested in the basis of this meta read
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:06 pm
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You picked up on something real. I do feel like I want to say the right thing to all the people I'm returning to but it's my social awkwardness and not game related.
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:55 pm
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- Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:54 pm
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It is. I think a wolf would feel more nervous to get into the game with this playerlist and locked votes, especially someone like you who afaik might not be able to defend yourself as well against early suspicion. I think your approach leans towny.
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:27 pm
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I'm liking Syn's off the cuff play.
I'm holding off from reading Marmot for now. Them asking why Rico and himself weren't on Nutella's townleans gave me a small ping but I tend to always suspect them.
I'm holding off from reading Marmot for now. Them asking why Rico and himself weren't on Nutella's townleans gave me a small ping but I tend to always suspect them.
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:06 pm
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aw thanks! <3Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:55 pm Congrats, Thunal, that's awesome!
My motherly instincts are kicking in, cause I'm genuinely touched by imagining you growing up and graduating college and stuff :,)
I don't play much mafia these days. Actually, I did play a bit on MU on an alt. But town los every game I partook in, so it was a bit sad. In my defence, I either was mafia or died N1 lol.
Anyway, I already feel good about town winning this game. Thought town would win before rand, and even more now. ^^
There are a lot of great townies in this list! If you're town I feel good about town winning. If you're not then I'm not so sure.
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:50 pm
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I am. I just graduated college last spring so I can finally get into mafia again.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:48 pmHi hi hi!
I've been good and bad. Well, actually, *I* have been good, but stuff around me is a bit overwhelming at times. But I'm learning a lot constantly, and that's pretty interesting and enjoyable. Feeling pretty good about existing, all in all =p
I hope you are doing well (?)
I hope all goes well!
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:44 pm
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Hi Dizzy! How have you been?
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:43 pm
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- Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:41 pm
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I mean, Scotty is a dog which is close to a wolf. I'm more of a cat.Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:48 pmboth these posts are from wolves tbhScotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:49 pm*checks notes*
Yeah, best to just yeet dizzy early just to be sure. I don’t want to go to f10 with dizzy
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:02 pm
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Scotty and Rico should have the greatest nights ever!
- Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:55 pm
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Yeet Dizzy only after I die so we can play together as long as possible.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:49 pm*checks notes*
Yeah, best to just yeet dizzy early just to be sure. I don’t want to go to f10 with dizzy
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