The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:12 pm kza back to town

genuinely dont know what 99% of my reads are sorry

this game big. my brain small.

I don't think KZA giving out meta info is AI. I still scumlean KZA.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:08 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:02 pm
polypies73 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:58 pm
polypies73 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:56 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:55 pm
polypies73 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:54 pmE
Is that your fav letter of the alphabet?
perhaps
Perhaps? Why so cagey?
what
Cagey: reluctant to give information

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:43 pm
Joe Who? wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:36 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:28 pm
Joe Who? wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:55 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:15 pm joe's 3 post iso is yikes. simply emojis... bruh.

Joe’s town. Duh.

Your participation level in this game is of epic proportions
Falcon is my first scumlean.

This is some level one shit.

Spoiler: show
So’s my read but whatever.

I'm not seeing this logic at all, and I feel like you fabricated it.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:03 pm Guys sloonjack slot is literally the most obvious mafia i've ever seen none of either of their posts are redeemable
This is a real question.

Do you want more Jack or less Jack?
Less in the sense that I want your slot to no longer be in the game when I wake up in the morning

Yeah that slot is trending further down for me. I thought Jack would post something towny but he hasn't yet (although I haven't completely caught up). I'm leaning that over NIK rn since NIK could potentially just be overwhelmed with being on a new site.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:59 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:23 pm Based on this feedback NIK is a fine vote. I might actually prefer that over Jack since Jack has more potential to pick up his game later on and help town than NIK imo.
Just a glance at Thunal's ISO gives me the impression that she is riding existing suspicions in Jack and NIK. In this post, nutella declares NIK a good Day 1 wagon, at which point Thunal has no read on NIK. Nutella had been pushing Sloonei (now Jack) for a while, and Thunal becomes a supporter of that yeet, only to move into being a big NIK chop pusher.

The quote I quoted made me have those thoughts, then the ISO bolstered them. I think Thunal is bad, and NIK is a LHF town.

I didn't have a read on NIK because I didn't look at NIK's ISO. When I looked at NIK's ISO and asked people about NIK's meta my opinion of him went down. I don't see how anything you pointed out about my progression is bad. I did consider NIK as an LHF town and I certainly haven't decided he's the best yeet or my top suspect yet, I'm unsure of who I want to vote right now.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:56 pm Backing up for a sec,

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:26 pm Pretty sure Radishes is mafia tho
ye

didn't like his vote on me
You're taking this game kind of...seriously. My vote was a meaningless joke response to your nudge on me/ You seem to be reading a fair bit into it, though.

And actually, to contradict myself it, wasn't entirely meaningless, as I did get a little bit of a ping from it...

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:15 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:14 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:44 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:44 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:42 pm Where I would like to vote right now in order
KZA
Sig
Nova
Poison
SlooneiOfHearts2005

Where I have bad vibes, but am not ready to vote (in order)
Nik
GrandScheme
Sabie

(Also idk if u remember me Sabie, but Hi!! I think we were btsc in my first game!)
Edit: poison is a crab now?
DoubleEdit: a radish. Not a crab
My star sign is Cancer, which is a crab. So maybe you were just having an astrologically-aligned moment.
what have you done that's towny
...This is a stupid question to someone who had literally just subbed into the game.

The level of 'serious' you're giving me is out of proportion to my presence in the game.

A lot of people are being serious and making serious reads on subs. Why does 112's in particular ping you?

Based on this feedback NIK is a fine vote. I might actually prefer that over Jack since Jack has more potential to pick up his game later on and help town than NIK imo.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:20 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:19 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:16 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:03 pm NIK just seems very meh from their recent posts. Part of me is just tempted to sheep the other CDCers but NIK does feel like an LHF that acts scummy as either alignment just from his posting style. @CDCers this true?
No, NIK is more than capable of contributing when Town.
How about as scum? Does he act like this as scum or is this game something different from him as either alignment?
he'd just blast some crazy rhetoric and thunderdome people and make "acceptable" reads.

He's not really making much of any reads this game. Do you scumread him?

For some reason my question about NIK was flagged as having to be approved by a mod. @Master Radishes What's your read on NIK?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:17 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:16 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:16 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:41 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:52 pm

I really wanna know why BoKnows is here?
small amount of meta/how he was MLed in hydra/+sheeping alison's confidence
I've played a game with BoKnows where he was mafia and he's mafia. My read on him is better than all of this. So flip it or you can die with him.
Unless you've played on CDC this is a lie.
Oh well then my reason to find Mac suspicious is no longer valid
Just looked through KZA's ISO, and dropping a strong scumread on Mac here all of a sudden doesn't really sit right with me. I'd expect town to not say they're wrong so readily and instead repeat other reasons to find Mac suspicious. I also dislike how KZA said they found Thundercat suspicious yet didn't elaborate and didn't seem to have any interest in questioning others on Thundercat or trying to generate more info on them. I scumlean KZA from this ISO since some of their solving feels fake and not from a townie mindset. They kind of just throw out reads but don't seem to care a lot about checking them or developing them.
Kaz is town.

What about NIK?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:16 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:03 pm NIK just seems very meh from their recent posts. Part of me is just tempted to sheep the other CDCers but NIK does feel like an LHF that acts scummy as either alignment just from his posting style. @CDCers this true?
No, NIK is more than capable of contributing when Town.

How about as scum? Does he act like this as scum or is this game something different from him as either alignment?

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:16 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:41 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:23 am me
alison
thunal
flanders
boknows
falcon

are all naked town naked voltron

mafia has no chance

if mac and tutuu are town too this game is just over
I really wanna know why BoKnows is here?
small amount of meta/how he was MLed in hydra/+sheeping alison's confidence
I've played a game with BoKnows where he was mafia and he's mafia. My read on him is better than all of this. So flip it or you can die with him.
Unless you've played on CDC this is a lie.
Oh well then my reason to find Mac suspicious is no longer valid

Just looked through KZA's ISO, and dropping a strong scumread on Mac here all of a sudden doesn't really sit right with me. I'd expect town to not say they're wrong so readily and instead repeat other reasons to find Mac suspicious. I also dislike how KZA said they found Thundercat suspicious yet didn't elaborate and didn't seem to have any interest in questioning others on Thundercat or trying to generate more info on them. I scumlean KZA from this ISO since some of their solving feels fake and not from a townie mindset. They kind of just throw out reads but don't seem to care a lot about checking them or developing them.

How do you vote?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:41 pm 2 cdcers voting for nik, that's prob a decent wagon for d1

but also pls believe me sloonei slot is lock mafia
I would be voting the Sloonei slot but I want to give Jack a chance before I place the vote. Right now I suspect Sloonei/Jack and Poison, I don't have a read on NIK yet.

I didn't see that Jack entered the thread and his entrance wasn't good. I'm fine with voting there then.

[v]Jack[/v]

NIK wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:25 am Is it too late for the simple Hey enterance?

Is it too weird to call this post bad? No, I just did. It actually shows some level of self-consciousness and imo it's one of NIK's worse posts. NIK's ISO is pretty scummy in a conventional way if that makes sense, I'm not opposed to the wagon and I do think he's trying to engage without doing anything in a scummy way but I also feel like NIK's hypothetical town play (based on no evidence and no games with him) might be similar. I scumlean NIK but I'm hesitant to vote there D1 because I'm not sure if the scummy things he's done are actually scum indicative or not for him.

NIK just seems very meh from their recent posts. Part of me is just tempted to sheep the other CDCers but NIK does feel like an LHF that acts scummy as either alignment just from his posting style. @CDCers this true?

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:24 pm I was pretty sus on MR's slot.
This is gonna be interesting

Same. My top two scumreads are different people now. So far I think Jack hasn't done anything to make me change my read on him, his entrance feels meh and a little performative.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:59 pm Most likely just confused.

Just reading back I was disappointed to see that Thunal is being sussed. I was really hoping that mason play would come into fruition. Would have been nice to lock town 2 people early on.

The fact that a couple people suspected me doesn't make the mindmeld with Alison any less valuable or less towny. If you want to lock town us I don't think people suspecting me prevents that.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:41 pm 2 cdcers voting for nik, that's prob a decent wagon for d1

but also pls believe me sloonei slot is lock mafia

I would be voting the Sloonei slot but I want to give Jack a chance before I place the vote. Right now I suspect Sloonei/Jack and Poison, I don't have a read on NIK yet.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:27 pm Also I want to put it out there my 112 read was a joke.

What's your real read on 112? I thought his entrance was towny since it felt like he really believed I was scum but he fell off a bit after that and didn't do anything towny.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:19 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:27 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:46 am oh oh oh oh and also alison why did we drop thunal out of the towncore?
I picked the people that I thought were all town, and who also think that each other are town. Mac thinks Thunal is scum, so I have to pick one, and I'm slightly more interested in towncoring with him on the basis that I think he has the ability to act as a check and balance and ensure that we don't confbias ourself into orbit or induct a wolf into the core.

The reason I townread Mac is essentially that I see his "I'm lost and I hate this game" attitude as being believable for town!Mac and the way he's been circling around and around just seems devoid of agenda to me. LIke let's say Mac is scum, what exactly is he doing here? His play makes no sense to me if he's scum, he's not killing townies or ingratiating himself as a trusted figure, he's giving bold anti-consensus takes, but he's not really powerwolfing with those takes either. For players like nutella and me that he knows well specifically, I expect him to take firmer stances and either try to pocket or bury us if he's scum, and he's not really done either, which sells the "confused/lost townie" narrative to me.
I think Mac's reaction to Nutella calling his takes bad come from town more often than not since it shows he actually believes in those takes. I just reread some of Mac's ISO in Lend's Bastard Fiesta (where he was town D1 but then converted to 3p) and as town his takes were considerably further away from the consensus than as 3p.
I agree with this that I've seen mac be confident in reads as town even if its wrong or not the popular opinion and is more laid back.

Would you consider Mac laid back this game? I don't think he is but I've seen some people say this is tame for Mac.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:23 pm when a majority does bad stuff they shouldn't be absolved of their sins just cuz they are a majority

american cops should be held accountable for their actions just like ppl should be held accountable for committing the sin of wrongly saying i am mafia-aligned

I'm more saying that since a lot of people had the same thoughts early on, some of the people having those thoughts are town.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:58 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:56 am w/w = Wolf/Wolf
There's also

v/v = Villager/Villager (Or T/T, Town/Town)
V/W = Villager/Wolf

And so on and so-forth. Though I don't really ever see "m/m (Mafia/Mafia)" or "s/s (scum/scum)" for some reason lol.

I see s/s sometimes on PerC.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:27 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:46 am oh oh oh oh and also alison why did we drop thunal out of the towncore?
I picked the people that I thought were all town, and who also think that each other are town. Mac thinks Thunal is scum, so I have to pick one, and I'm slightly more interested in towncoring with him on the basis that I think he has the ability to act as a check and balance and ensure that we don't confbias ourself into orbit or induct a wolf into the core.

The reason I townread Mac is essentially that I see his "I'm lost and I hate this game" attitude as being believable for town!Mac and the way he's been circling around and around just seems devoid of agenda to me. LIke let's say Mac is scum, what exactly is he doing here? His play makes no sense to me if he's scum, he's not killing townies or ingratiating himself as a trusted figure, he's giving bold anti-consensus takes, but he's not really powerwolfing with those takes either. For players like nutella and me that he knows well specifically, I expect him to take firmer stances and either try to pocket or bury us if he's scum, and he's not really done either, which sells the "confused/lost townie" narrative to me.

I think Mac's reaction to Nutella calling his takes bad come from town more often than not since it shows he actually believes in those takes. I just reread some of Mac's ISO in Lend's Bastard Fiesta (where he was town D1 but then converted to 3p) and as town his takes were considerably further away from the consensus than as 3p.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:10 am

Remember when this happened and then I made reigning champion sloonei literally RWSTFO

Did your opinion of the slot change at all?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:58 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:11 pm tutuu scum, vibe is suboptimal

great work Flanders

KZA wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:19 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:18 pm I do think Tutuu bringing up the Mastermind-Obliterator role in her second post is unusual but I'm not sure if that's scummy. Are there other reasons people are scumreading her?
Her snark about Flanders set off my scum alarm

[VOTE: vote tutuu] aubergine
ok i rescind the KZA townread after flanders reminded me of these posts...

I don't think that's a horrible look for KZA since a lot of people had the same thoughts. I feel like KZA's been blending in for me and I can't remember a lot they've said, so I don't have a read there yet.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:53 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:28 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:16 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:06 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:40 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:29 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:27 pm

In what way(s)?
Using a 1 game sample size to scumread someone without a second thought?

Not to mention he claimed anyone pretending to have lock reads already has "mafia equity" so he's just contradicting himself
Have you played with him before? He didn't really play the simpsons game so this is my first experience.
The way I read that BK scumread felt more like the arrogant tone I've been getting from him. He thinks he's the shit. He reminds me of our cute and skilled monkey, Zfetch.

Although I don't agree with your take, your post felt Kza townie.

I know I could just iso, but would you humour me with your top 3 scum please?
I played with him once but I got killed before he got too active in the game. He happened to be Mafia in that game.

Think want about this but I don't even have 3 scum right now. MacD and Thundercat are the only people I've any serious concern about at this point.

Although I really need to comb through Nutella, Sloonei, Poison lol
Thanks man. How's the valley treating you these days?
Run it's course for me. I plan to move to your city within the next 6 months.
Cool beans bruh. I'll be around, hope this fucking lock down is over by then, I'd love to crush a few beers with you.

Going back to your reads. I see the case for poison, her scum calling tutuu was as opportunistic as yours.
There seems to be a lot of sus on sloon, they're someone's I to look into. But nothing about them really stood out for me on first read.

I got the vibe that nut, Allison and Thun kept driving the thread back towards tutuu but I may have misread exactly what was happening there. Should probably reread those pages in a bit. It's possible another player(s) instigated the continuation there because other than that I had them all more townsided.

Yesterday when I was poking tutuu you voted her and grabbed my ass. How/why has she slipped from your scum reads?

Part of me focusing on Tutuu later was because Mac wanted to know about my early takes on Tutuu.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:04 pm And she’s town or possibly 3p but probably not mafia, kewl

Why? She made like 2 posts as of the time you made this one.

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:41 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:23 am me
alison
thunal
flanders
boknows
falcon

are all naked town naked voltron

mafia has no chance

if mac and tutuu are town too this game is just over
I really wanna know why BoKnows is here?
small amount of meta/how he was MLed in hydra/+sheeping alison's confidence
I've played a game with BoKnows where he was mafia and he's mafia. My read on him is better than all of this. So flip it or you can die with him.
This isn't a townie mindset imo

I actually think this kind of overconfidence is towny from Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:37 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:44 pm Okay so this day has actually been pretty dumb and I don't really glean much from it which sucks tremendous ass.

I would go as far as to say I have actually got no better than a 7/10 quality read either way on literally anyone.
What about that scumread you didn't want to out?
i outed it

Who was it? Sig?

I have 112 as a townlean, he gives off the vibe of genuinely trying to figure out people's alignments and I think his treatment of me (specifically how his scumread felt like a gut/vibe read with justification, and the "why are we ignoring Thunal" post) feels like real thoughts.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:28 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:25 pm What do you make of (what feels to me like) Alison, Nut and Thun continually pulling the conversation back onto you?
nothing, i have made up my mind that the 3 of them are town and theyre posting in the mafia game. i wouldnt say nut is brigning the conversatino about me an alison also stopped, they were ujst responding from leftover stuff cuz everyone pops in and keeps talking about me and ppl feel the need to clear misunderstandigns at least i get this urge

Yeah that's definitely what happened with me, I'm shifting my focus away from you for the most part to make reads on others but I also wanted to explain my reactions to people suspecting you.

I think Mac is probably town since his takes seem really independent and like he believes in them, and I think town would get more frustrated at Nutella calling his takes BS than scum would.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:55 pm Thunal's been lurking.

Did you get that from the "users active" thing? I sometimes leave this tab open on my computer when I'm really not on my computer at all. I wasn't on my computer for the last couple hours.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:44 pm Okay so this day has actually been pretty dumb and I don't really glean much from it which sucks tremendous ass.

I would go as far as to say I have actually got no better than a 7/10 quality read either way on literally anyone.

What about that scumread you didn't want to out?

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:12 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:59 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:15 pm everyone scum reading tutuuu. hmmm... what did she do wrong, I don't remember her getting scum read this early.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:29 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:24 pm You're all overthinking it. Whenever tutuu is town she is super natural and gets towncleared by everyone immediately and always engages in zany roleplays. Her entrance this game was forced/awkward and had a bunch of people feeling bad about it. She felt like she was forcing herself to act like town tutuu more than anything. The reason I feel comfortable clearing her pretty hard early on in most games is because town tutuu is very difficult to comfortably fake as scum, and I think her behavior this game matches up with scum struggling to slip into her town meta.
yes she is not being what tutuu is about. her posts seems more "seriousy tone" if that makes sense.
@Poison what's the progression between these two posts? Why didn't you think "she is not being what tutuu is about" when she was acting differently in her first posts and you didn't scumread her?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:27 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:25 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:15 pm everyone scum reading tutuuu. hmmm... what did she do wrong, I don't remember her getting scum read this early.
idk man haters with their unrealistic expectations
are you depressed because for so long you've been waiting to thrash us and show us how dangerous it was for us to always townclear you early and now when you finally rolled scum you get suspected immediately?
alison town.
This townread is so easy on a player that really shouldn't get easy townreads that it looks like TMI.
@Thunal33 i got really scared that if I don't change my reads I'm going to lose the opportunity to scum read and axe tutuu later, I needed to do that.

Or

The dull totally unbelievable; a made up story: the first statement is not a statement saying tutuu is town but a clear and simple doubt after playing 2 games with tutuu, that's a thought that popped in my head, the second is made after observing tutuu and re reading a bit more.

The second option is bad. Never believe it. Let's go with the first one, spicy.

Alison is not that hard a read tbh.

Okay. I think your recent posts (as of the time you made this one) have looked a bit better, you haven't said anything that pinged me recently. Did Tutuu do something specific between when you made those posts that made you suspect her?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:39 am I don't think it's within tutuu's scum range to use a personal attack on someone who correctly scumread her when she is a wolf. That just doesn't seem like something she would do.
You think she's too kind spirited to do that? Tutuu is sweet but I don't think getting pissed off at being tunneled by town and sounding off is beyond her.
So I don't know tuutuu's range, but I think you frequently see players get personal as mafia members if they get called out early or for bad reasoning. Which seems to be what happened there.

I think town getting mad at being suspected and scum getting mad at being suspected for the wrong reasons look similar and can both happen early on. I do think that Tutuu repeating "well everything I do is genuine since I'm town" and using that as her main defense is a townie way to express frustration.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:20 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:51 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:19 pm anyway, sloonei is actually lock mafia sheep me fools

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:25 pm meant his 2nd post about wishing he had a sock / not wanting ppl to read him

anyway his iso has gotten even worse recently, talking about forum tools and other non-game-relevant stuff, trying to act forcedly casual, and obviously being more aware of the mafia anon thing bringing it up and then trying to cover that up by saying he could be misreading it, i had no idea that was even a thing but clearly he did. like it's possible he had just read it carefully and noticed it but i wasn't convinced that was the correct interpretation until sprit confirmed cause it seems so wild to me, but sloonei seemed to know
Hmmmmmmm

I'm not sure if a !scum sloonei is the correct call for that sort of thing.

If he's a wolf and he's not talking about the game then he's not trying to drive the thread anywhere, for better or worse.

Ideally speaking, a wolf would want to influence the thread so its more favorable to them.

[srike]Of course, he DID win the champs and I don't exactly "know" them but I would rather not risk overthinking this[/strike]
i dont wanna bring in champs reads too much but he was only ever town in his games there so it's not really representative of his skill as wolf alignment and remember how i found him easily in grasslands

his iso here is shit.
Sloonei's ISO is very similar to what it was at the start of Grasslands. He said in wolf chat that he could fake solving but found it hard to fake motivation, and I'm not seeing much motivation here. Is Sloonei generally lower motivation as scum?
yes

@112 thunal is a she and is town shut up

Sloonei can have a scumlean from me then.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:46 pm Thunal and Poison, do you have reads on one another?

Yes, I scumread Poison.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:46 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:43 pm Grand Scheme is literally open wolfing in front of everyone's faces.
i dont see it
Says they want to see the tutuu conflict firsthand, but no followup or evidence they actually went back and read it. Is asked for thoughts, lays down two townreads on consensus-townread players. You ask people to sheep you on Sloonei, and they agree immediately, in a way that makes it clear it's "not their fault" if Sloonei flips green. Follows by straight-up giving advice to a mafia role on optimal play. I see this as hostile 3P trying to help the mafia coordinate by giving advice to the Obliterator.
bumping for visibility

Grand Scheme's Mastermind-Obliterator stuff was really bizarre. Looking at the OP there's no reason to think they know the mafia's identity and their treatment of that role could be TMI. Why hostile 3P? I think if anything it points to Grand Scheme being the obliterator himself.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:37 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:33 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:20 pm

The same can be said of the things you're town reading her for being in her scumrange though.
Yeah, and I'm not townreading her for that, I'm townreading her because her tone is very strong. The level of detail in her posts is NAI.

I'm not seeing where Thunal is fluffing overly, especially since I've posted virtually the same thought as she did seconds apart lol.
She spent ample time fixating on whether or not Tutuu is comfortable/silly without it saying anything at all about her alignment because the two games she was comparing to were both town games from Tutuu. If you have meta that says Tutuu can be serious or can be not serious, then what is the use of even trying to analyse her alignment based on her seriousness? Yet, she goes and makes analysis on that measure despite that. This is my issue.
Tutuu was the main focus of the thread and a lot of my posts were calling out reads based on Tutuu's level of comfort I felt were unjustified. Some people were saying Tutuu is always silly as town and I was correcting them by saying Tutuu was serious as town recently. The MafC game was a very different environment and I was wondering how much of Tutuu's behavior that game could be carried over to read her here and if she would act similarly to that game in a Syndicate game.
As opposed to just making the observation that Tutuu is serious sometimes as town as evidenced by the game you just played, providing said info to the thread and then moving on?
People didn't seem to be caring that Tutuu's been serious before as town so I was kind of repeating myself to influence others to back off their reads. I don't see how doing what you suggested is any townier or better.
So you are saying that your goal was to get people to back off their Tutuu reads?

That was one of my goals, and early on I was also trying to check whether the "less silly/Tutuu" read was unjustified for myself and I concluded it was.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:33 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:17 pm thunal is a she, and as far as I can tell the things you're identifying about thunal as scummy are just part of her town range
The same can be said of the things you're town reading her for being in her scumrange though.
Yeah, and I'm not townreading her for that, I'm townreading her because her tone is very strong. The level of detail in her posts is NAI.

I'm not seeing where Thunal is fluffing overly, especially since I've posted virtually the same thought as she did seconds apart lol.
She spent ample time fixating on whether or not Tutuu is comfortable/silly without it saying anything at all about her alignment because the two games she was comparing to were both town games from Tutuu. If you have meta that says Tutuu can be serious or can be not serious, then what is the use of even trying to analyse her alignment based on her seriousness? Yet, she goes and makes analysis on that measure despite that. This is my issue.
Tutuu was the main focus of the thread and a lot of my posts were calling out reads based on Tutuu's level of comfort I felt were unjustified. Some people were saying Tutuu is always silly as town and I was correcting them by saying Tutuu was serious as town recently. The MafC game was a very different environment and I was wondering how much of Tutuu's behavior that game could be carried over to read her here and if she would act similarly to that game in a Syndicate game.
As opposed to just making the observation that Tutuu is serious sometimes as town as evidenced by the game you just played, providing said info to the thread and then moving on?

People didn't seem to be caring that Tutuu's been serious before as town so I was kind of repeating myself to influence others to back off their reads. I don't see how doing what you suggested is any townier or better.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:30 pm Also I think the whole tuutuu isn't being silly "tuutuu" enough is dumb and NAI. I do think people trying to say she's suspicious for not being enough like herself are potentially mafia members trying to find an easy d1 scapegoat.

Could you name names? Who specifically do you think was trying to find an easy D1 scapegoat?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:26 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:19 pm Just starting page 6 (now I know how it feels to have to catch up jfc)

falcon45ca - Town that should probably just sheep people
Poison - Different to Tutuu

Explain these.
I think Falcon's best talent is looking townie. Beyond that, they probably are better off just finding townies they trust and sheeping their reads. That maybe harsh but I think Falcon (and Flanders to an extent) are very likely to make bad pushes.

Alison made a read that she felt there was one between Tutuu and Poison and only one and I tend to agree. I tend to think it's probably Poison at this point.

Me too, Poison did a few things that pinged me (scumread on Tutuu looks opportunistic, lots of 3p hunting and even made 3p reads).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:17 pm thunal is a she, and as far as I can tell the things you're identifying about thunal as scummy are just part of her town range
The same can be said of the things you're town reading her for being in her scumrange though.
Yeah, and I'm not townreading her for that, I'm townreading her because her tone is very strong. The level of detail in her posts is NAI.

I'm not seeing where Thunal is fluffing overly, especially since I've posted virtually the same thought as she did seconds apart lol.
She spent ample time fixating on whether or not Tutuu is comfortable/silly without it saying anything at all about her alignment because the two games she was comparing to were both town games from Tutuu. If you have meta that says Tutuu can be serious or can be not serious, then what is the use of even trying to analyse her alignment based on her seriousness? Yet, she goes and makes analysis on that measure despite that. This is my issue.

Tutuu was the main focus of the thread and a lot of my posts were calling out reads based on Tutuu's level of comfort I felt were unjustified. Some people were saying Tutuu is always silly as town and I was correcting them by saying Tutuu was serious as town recently. The MafC game was a very different environment and I was wondering how much of Tutuu's behavior that game could be carried over to read her here and if she would act similarly to that game in a Syndicate game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:19 pm Just starting page 6 (now I know how it feels to have to catch up jfc)

falcon45ca - Town that should probably just sheep people
Poison - Different to Tutuu

Explain these.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:17 pm Like "Thunal is scum because she is making detailed posts" is not a read that makes sense to me, as someone who's seen the way Thunal towns.

It doesn't, but 112's read feels like mostly a gut read to me and I can't really pick that apart. I will say that I play town D1 by asking questions/generating info and then voicing takes once I get them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:15 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:50 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:21 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:18 pm I do think Tutuu bringing up the Mastermind-Obliterator role in her second post is unusual but I'm not sure if that's scummy. Are there other reasons people are scumreading her?
I don't have enough experience with Tutuu to say whether her vibe is different in a scummy way. I've seen two town games of hers and she vibed very differently in those two games so I'm not seeing it as a huge surprise she has a different style and level of comfort again. I know she was less comfortable in the MafC game and that's why she vibed so differently early on. This game feels in between her Grasslands game and the Skyrim game on MafC in level of comfort.
How so?
I felt like Tutuu's entrance wasn't quite as silly/zany as her play was in Grasslands but it was sillier than her play in the MafC game, and I feel like Tutuu's degree of silliness is due to level of comfort or mood.
Silliness = level of comfort?

That's what I had a theory about, I think Tutuu was more serious in the MafC game at the start since it was a new community with unknown people so she would be less comfortable. I think Tutuu might just be in a different mental state than Grasslands and her different play is due to that. Tutuu's reaction to the suspicion on her is very towny though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:50 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:21 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:18 pm I do think Tutuu bringing up the Mastermind-Obliterator role in her second post is unusual but I'm not sure if that's scummy. Are there other reasons people are scumreading her?
I don't have enough experience with Tutuu to say whether her vibe is different in a scummy way. I've seen two town games of hers and she vibed very differently in those two games so I'm not seeing it as a huge surprise she has a different style and level of comfort again. I know she was less comfortable in the MafC game and that's why she vibed so differently early on. This game feels in between her Grasslands game and the Skyrim game on MafC in level of comfort.
How so?

I felt like Tutuu's entrance wasn't quite as silly/zany as her play was in Grasslands but it was sillier than her play in the MafC game, and I feel like Tutuu's degree of silliness is due to level of comfort or mood.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:07 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:04 pm Joe, level with me. Why is everyone overlooking the obvious wolf Thunal?
Do you have Thunal meta?
We've played quite a few turbos together, although this is kind of different. He feels stilted imo.

I'm 100% more planned and I think through my posts a lot more as any alignment when I'm not in turbos. Turbo meta isn't that useful to apply to full games imo. Is the "obvious wolf" thing more a reaction test/to make a point I should be considered or do you really believe I'm obvious wolf?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:51 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:19 pm anyway, sloonei is actually lock mafia sheep me fools

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:25 pm meant his 2nd post about wishing he had a sock / not wanting ppl to read him

anyway his iso has gotten even worse recently, talking about forum tools and other non-game-relevant stuff, trying to act forcedly casual, and obviously being more aware of the mafia anon thing bringing it up and then trying to cover that up by saying he could be misreading it, i had no idea that was even a thing but clearly he did. like it's possible he had just read it carefully and noticed it but i wasn't convinced that was the correct interpretation until sprit confirmed cause it seems so wild to me, but sloonei seemed to know
Hmmmmmmm

I'm not sure if a !scum sloonei is the correct call for that sort of thing.

If he's a wolf and he's not talking about the game then he's not trying to drive the thread anywhere, for better or worse.

Ideally speaking, a wolf would want to influence the thread so its more favorable to them.

[srike]Of course, he DID win the champs and I don't exactly "know" them but I would rather not risk overthinking this[/strike]
i dont wanna bring in champs reads too much but he was only ever town in his games there so it's not really representative of his skill as wolf alignment and remember how i found him easily in grasslands

his iso here is shit.

Sloonei's ISO is very similar to what it was at the start of Grasslands. He said in wolf chat that he could fake solving but found it hard to fake motivation, and I'm not seeing much motivation here. Is Sloonei generally lower motivation as scum?

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